Randy Orton sucks donkey balls

[houseofpain]

I can not believe that Vince would willingly put the title around Randy Orton's waist. His in ring performance is pathetic. He works the mic like a retard, his diamond cutter, I mean rko has to be the worst finisher next to the Hogan leg drop. And I am supposed to believe he is the cream of the WWE crop? He and Cena have to be the worst wrestlers to ever gain the title.

[chefcraig]

I dunno...seeing the fellow in your avatar, takes me back a bit. (Yeah, I'm somewhat of an older period, yet I hope you can relate to this)

For me, wrestling was at it's peak when there was a group called D-Generation-X. This was a gang of folks consisting of Shuan Micheals, Hensley, China (ehhh), this young high flyer named X-Pac, and a couple of dorks (whom I loved) called the New Age Outlaws. (Oh, You Didn't Know? Your Ass Better Call Somebody!").

The thing is, some of the best comedy for wrestling this side of the Carol Burnett Show ended up in the sequences for this group. They were either peeing into another performer's boots, or running over to the then competition's shows (Turners' shows) to film havoc.

Yet these things go in cycles. The comedy came back to an extent with the redefined Mick Foley character, yet soon after the TNT merger (which reduced the talent field, in my opinion leading to some poor decisions) came about and the WWF suddenly became the WWE, getting comercials on the Super Bowl and starting a football league, which went into the crapper as well.

Yeah, I guess that I pretty much long for the things that were. Being a CVH kinda guy, I'm pretty much...errr, used to that.

If you are diggin' in hard to the current ways of the sport, then damm it, good for you. Hang in there, man. And enjoy it.

[Diamondjimi]

Originally Posted by houseofpain

I can not believe that Vince would willingly put the title around Randy Orton's waist. His in ring performance is pathetic. He works the mic like a retard, his diamond cutter, I mean rko has to be the worst finisher next to the Hogan leg drop. And I am supposed to believe he is the cream of the WWE crop? He and Cena have to be the worst wrestlers to ever gain the title.

Dude , it's not real...



Gimme UFC anyday!

[houseofpain]

Sure its not real. I know that, you know that, hell fat Bob in section 308 knows that. But its great entertainment.

You know, hate to bring up the guy, because his actions were completely dispicable, but Chris Benoit could wrestle.
William Regal can wrestle, can't get over though. He's barely above a jobber.
Brett Hart could wrestle, Rob Van Damm, Arn Anderson, Tully Blanchard, Double J Jeff Jarrett, Dean Malenko, Perry Saturn, Dave "Fit" Finlay, The Steiner Brothers...those guys are wrestlers.

Randy Orton is a non-entertaining, cigarette smoking, Lasix freak with next to zero in ring ability and no skills on the mic. He's a plastic freaking Ken Doll with a crap load of tattoos. I guess 3rd Generation means something...he has the in ring talent of my four year old daughter.

[houseofpain]

and I love UFC too. Wrestling is pure entertainment, but MMA is entertainment and violence!

[Diamondjimi]

It's too much these days. Can't watch it anymore. I'm just old school .
72-85 was some entertaining years in wrestling before it completely became commercialised...
It's glory years are def. in the past ,imo.

[Redballjets88]

I like Orton, he plays a good crazy guy. Although he may not be the most talented in ability but look at everyone else.

If you want to complain about someone look at Batista, hr has about four moves, no mic skill whatsoever, and no personality.

Cena sucks also, he is trying too hard to be The Rock, and isn't very talented either.

The only bright spots in the WWE are people like Jericho, Edge, the Hardies, and a few of the mid card types like Shelton Benjamin and MVP

[redblkwht]

I dunno man, Its hard to watch now my last legit lock in WWE was the last days of SCSA & The Rock..
The show sucks now & Vince cant turn the ship around this time.
I just saw Coach is on ESPN now..lol

[bueno bob]

I can't watch professional wrestling anymore. There's no new talent being developed that's worth mentioning, it's simply a round robin of who's got the belt between HHH, Randy Orton, Edge and John Cena, and it's been going on for YEARS now. It's long since become uninteresting, except now it's extraordinarily uninteresting, even as brainless entertainment.

The new blood of professional wrestlers really missed the banana boat on how to sell their act. NONE of them have any mic talent at all (with the exception of Chris Jericho, but even he's getting kinda long in the tooth now). Gone are the days of real personalities who actually knew how to sell it believably...I'm talking guys like Hulk Hogan, Randy Savage, Jake Roberts, Bret Hart, Brutus Beefcake, Andre the Giant, Bobby Heenan, Jesse Ventura, Honky Tonk Man, Big Boss Man, Ultimate Warrior, Ted DiBiase, Demolition...those were WWE/F'ers that knew how to sell themselves and make it REALLY fun, not just the exercise in tedium that it is these days.

The WWE/F really went down the toilet in 1993 and frankly, it's never recovered. There have been a few great personalities that have really elevated themselves and went above and beyond the call of duty (Steve Austin, The Rock, and the always reliable Undertaker), but most of the so-called "talent" is so utterly banal it's almost painful to watch it and think "Yeah, THIS is what it's deflated to."

Very tragic, honestly. In a nutshell, I can remember when it used to actually be FUN to watch, regardless of how fake it obviously was...you used to get seriously excited about main event matches ("Holy shit! Hogan just barely beat Andre at Wrestlemania III and never beat him again! Dude, do you think Ultimate Warrior can actually beat Andre tonight???")...hell, you used to get REALLY excited about what was going to happen...anymore, watching it for any reason at all is just flat out ridiculous.

[redfire]

Yeah, Bob's got a point there as far as actually caring whether or not someone won. But, remember it's a business, and it is what it is. They saw a marketable/profitable pattern with Stone Cold, the Rock, DX and they're trying to copy that without copying it exactly. Come on, once Stone Cold was clearly the next big thing, they did the same thing for him like they did Hogan. No, he'd didn't hold the belt for 5 years like Hogan, but how many times did Stone Cold get fired/told his only title shot would be if he beat some unrealistic challenge.... hell, how many years in a row did he win the Royal Rumble? Look, if you hate Randy Orton.... then mission accomplished. If you hate him because he's a no talent ass clown, then he's doing his job. Jericho.... as far as I'm concerned he's still the man, this past year, no body... and the Rock means NO BODY.... could piss off the crowd just by opening his mouth.

As far as new blood goes, yeah it's a problem if Jeff Hardy is your new blood contending for a title when the dude was the new blood in 2000. 10 years is a long time to climb up the ladder. But MVP, Christian, and CM Punk, those are some guys that put on a good show no matter who they are wrestling. The MVP/Regal match was outstanding. Punk and Regal had some good matches as well. Like I said though, the more things change, the more they just get barely tweeked.

[fryingdutchman]

Can I take the concept one step further and say that professional wrestling, as a whole, sucks donkey balls?

If it was ever worth watching, it was 15+ years ago.

[houseofpain]

Flair was, and will always be the man.

I just don't get the push. At least with Cena, half the arena loves him, half the arena hates him. CM Punk/John Morrison vs Haas/Benjamin was a great match on Friday night. 4 of the most athletic guys in the business.

[houseofpain]

They're trying so hard to find the next Hulk Hogan/Stone Cold Steve Austin/ The Rock, and its pretty much blowing up in their faces.

John Morrison, if he could rock the mic, could be the next big thing. I wish somebody would put The Miz thru a flaming table. To quote Edge and Christian, he's "Sucktacular". If Jack Swagger could talk without spitting all over everyone, he could be big time. Ricky Ortiz could be an awesome heel if they'd quit trying to get him over as a face (Rally Up). Ortiz played football at TU (that's the univ of tulsa, not texass) and Swagger was a 2 time all american wrestler at The University of Oklahoma (the promised land).

[Redballjets88]

The Miz is awesome, Morrison is extremely talented but no mic skill, CM Punk is great (looks like a new version of Bret Hart)

Look for Edge vs Jericho feud soon, I hope. It would be a great one.

[redfire]

Originally Posted by Redballjets88

Look for Edge vs Jericho feud soon, I hope. It would be a great one.

That'd be awesome, who's going to be the face though? Is Jericho going to make another turn??

[houseofpain]

Edge is actually starting to get some pop againe now that he and Vickie are split up. Jericho is too well over as a heel to turn face againe.
Edge major talent.
Where's Taker, Shawn, and Hunter?
MVP got over as a face. Here we are 15 months removed from Face Matt Hardy, heel MVP. Now we got face MVP, heel Hardy...
Christian and Edge are awesome...everyone else is sucktacular!
Where my peeps?

[HHHNo1Fan]

Orton doesn't really suck in the ring-but he's average.
And yep, I never really hated him until he got this ridiculous push.
Mic skills-slow, robotic and monotonous.
In ring ability-Average.
And Jesus, could he walk any slower down to the ring?
Jim Ross is in talent relations and I think JR is a huge fan of Orton's father-hence maybe the reason for Orton's huge, ridiculous push.
Um, OK J.R., like we're really supposed to believe he can take out guys twice his size like Batista and HHH. Not me, sorry JR.
here's another thing-if the Rock and Stone Cold were still around, Orton would be NOTHING. They would punk him out on the mic and in the ring on a nightly basis. Do Jim Ross, Stephanie and Vince think that we forgot about the Rock and Stone Cold? Orton should be thanking god EVERY DAY that those two, along with Bret Hart and Mick Foley are not around anymore. orton would not have thrived in the Attitude Era. He would have been eaten alive-can you imagine if DX were still the way they were in the late '90s against "Legacy?" DX would DESTROY them! On the mic AND in the ring!
JR, Vince and Stephanie must think that we've forgotten about D-Generation X, the Rock and Stone Cold. Orton's fans have, apparently, but I haven't.
House of Pain, I like the way you think. Orton is thriving in the late 2000s ONLY because the greats are in their last days and there is nobody, as you said, as great as the Rock and Austin were. It's not Orton, sorry Vince.

[houseofpain]

Couple of thoughts here:
Stone Cold revolutionized the business by saying and doing what everyone wanted to do. He was the perfect anti-hero. All his actions were that of a traditional heel. But he got over as a fan favorite, but was not a babyface. He changed the way we all look at wrestling.
Shawn and Hunter got together, put the business on their backs when the outsiders left for more $$$$$. And a lot of people didn't like it. Until Vince and JR realized people went nuts when Shawn and Hunter talked about their cocks, pointed at their cocks, and acted like total juvenile delinquents. Did Steph, Hunter, and JR forget about DX? Nope. Not at all. In fact, they know its the most marketable thing they have. It will always be there, it will always get over, and it will always work. So they will pull out DX when they need $$$$$, but not until.
The Rock changed the game by being able to hold the audience in the palm of his hand and keep them on the edge of their seats during some of the longest ass promos ever cut. That is why we love Jericho, because he's the closest thing the business has to the rock in terms of mic skills. He can rock the mic.
Edge and Christian are great because they are capable of anything. They can heel, they can face, they can wrestle, they can brawl, they can go stuntman wrestling (hardcore), they can incite you to riot, or they can hold you in the palms of their hands. They can fly, they can keep it on the ground, they are the most versatile guys in the game.
Hunter can do anything also. He's the next Flair. He can buck the system, he can pick on everyone's favorite wrestler, he can single them out, he can tear them up on the mic and in the ring, and he is a marketable champion. Just like Naitch!

What seperates Hunter, and this is going to blow your minds, he has less ego than most people think. When they thought Batista was the next best thing, he headlined 3 PPVs with Batista, lost his title and failed to gain it back twice, all the time, helping Batista get "put over". When Flair came back, he helped Flair get over by becoming a heel. He helped Shawn come back. He helped get Jeff Hardy over, his first major championship, and made it believable. He helped Orton get over as a psycho heel.

So my question is this< what is Orton doing, like Hunter, to give back to his profession, and help put somebody over? Nothing. Now, I could be wrong, but this is what I see happening...Orton retains against Batista at Extreme Rules (aslo known as ECW One Night Stand). MVP just lost the US Championship to Koffi. Legacy beats down MVP first RAW after since he put Orton on notice, and Orton will officially have defended vs Batista two ppvs in a row. HHH comes back, saves MVPs ass, MVP goes on to take the title from Orton. Fact is this, Vince really needs to put a major belt on an African American soon. Who, since Booker, has been there as an African American as a major title holder? None. Who before? The Rock. What about before that? Other than Ron Simmons (Farooq) can anyone name one?

[SWEETWILLIAM]

Time to bring back to HO TRAIN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ForeverDLR/VH]

Randy Orton isn't bad, he plays a great Heel, John Cena Sucks donkey balls, his wrestling ability is bad, he tries to be funny, but is not, He gets booed out of the building, but Vince won't turn him, because he would lose the kiddy and teeny bopper fan base. Wrestling isn't ever going to be as it was 15 years ago, infect I don't know why I even watch it now?

[Full Bug]

Anyone pick up the Randy Savage DVD? Great stuff in there, and the 'extras' dvd promos he does are classic as well....

[Imapus Sylicker]

Well, I have to agree with everyone who says that wrestling nowadays is a fucking awesome BORE!

Even I, a hardcore fan, haven't watched ANY of it for more than a year now.

And don't come to me with wrestling not being only WWE/F.

Indies suck. You have very talented ATHLETES in indies, but NO WRESTLERS.

A wrestler must know how to carry a match properly, not just jump around. A wrestler must know how to sell his character, not just jump around. A wrestler must make it believable, not just jump around.

Almost everyone nowadays just jumps around.

That said, at least for me, Orton had his share of jaeniosity/ality. Can't speak for him nowadays, but I used to like the guy. A damn good heel, in my opinion.

Cheers!

[Mr Walker]

I was channel surfing last night as I was getting ready to fall asleep and came across the WWE Classics show on the MSG network... the match that was on was a bout from 1977 with Bob Backlund vs Pretty Boy Larry Sharpe. Fucking Pretty Boy Larry Sharpe... that was a real blast from the past. I checked the show info and there were also matches between Superstar Billy Graham v. Dusty Rhodes and the High Cheif Peter Mavia v. George 'The Animal' Steele... I turned the DVR on and I can't to watch them tonight

[Mr Walker]

Originally Posted by Imapus Sylicker

Well, I have to agree with everyone who says that wrestling nowadays is a fucking awesome BORE!

All Vince has to do is take the power from his daughter & son-in-law and hand it over to Jericho-Edge-Christian and it might just be entertaining again.

[sonrisa salvaje]

Originally Posted by Mr Walker

All Vince has to do is take the power from his daughter & son-in-law and hand it over to Jericho-Edge-Christian and it might just be entertaining again.

I don't think so. It is funny how things come full circle. McMahon stole every wrestler from the territories and took over causing the territories to dry up. Now he has nowhere to cherry pick his next great thing from. He can't zip down to Georgia or Texas anymore and find his next star. He can only hope that 1 in a thousand may come off of the independent circuit or their minor league (if you will; thanks Dusty) promotion. The very thing he longed for, and then achieved, is now the same thing that is killing their product. No one wants to see the same fueds over and over and over again. Damn, by the time you get to the ppv, you have already seen the match 2 or 3 times. It makes me want to go bang my head against the wall.

[Imapus Sylicker]

Originally Posted by Mr Walker

All Vince has to do is take the power from his daughter & son-in-law and hand it over to Jericho-Edge-Christian and it might just be entertaining again.

I have a different take on this. All Vince's daughter & son-in-law have to do is kill Vince.

Seriously, Vince HAS done alot for the business, more than anyone, but now he just needs to step aside. Vince still in power is as ridiculous as Hogan coming back to take the title.

It's my opinion that is all Vince's fault, what's happening to wrestling nowadays.

And Jericho should be champion.

Cheers!

[sonrisa salvaje]

Originally Posted by Mr Walker

I was channel surfing last night as I was getting ready to fall asleep and came across the WWE Classics show on the MSG network... the match that was on was a bout from 1977 with Bob Backlund vs Pretty Boy Larry Sharpe. Fucking Pretty Boy Larry Sharpe... that was a real blast from the past. I checked the show info and there were also matches between Superstar Billy Graham v. Dusty Rhodes and the High Cheif Peter Mavia v. George 'The Animal' Steele... I turned the DVR on and I can't to watch them tonight

This is when the title used to mean something. You were lucky to see the World Title change hands for 3 to 4 years in the WWF or WWWF. I think Backlund held it for 4 or 5 years before he lost it to the Iron Shiek. The AWA was about the same with Bockwinkle. The NWA wasn't quite as stringent with Harley Race as he would drop it about every other year and pick it right back up.

[ForeverDLR/VH]

Vince has no competition anymore, so he feels he doesn’t have to work as hard. TNA is the next step down and they don’t have the money and the writers don’t know how to utilize the talent and up and comers they do have! Vince keeps trying to milk and pump money into john Cena, HHH, Bastia, Randy Orton, etc it keeps guys with talent such as MVP, Jack Swigger, Jeff Hardy, Edge, Y2J and CM Punk under and from getting a break to the top. I feel these guys go out and work harder than any of Vince’s Top guys do, have more talent and they get over better with the fans! Of course we know HHH is banging Stephanie. If you want to relive the good ole wrestling days get WWE 24/7/on demand to watch matches from the 70’s, 80,s and 90’s and reruns of Raw and Nitro “Monday Night Wars”.

[Mr Badguy]

Let`s face it, everyone has been ripping off Superstar Graham.

If you have bleached hair, a great physique or can cut a great promo then that means you.

I think that covers just about everyone.

[Mr Badguy]

Originally Posted by Full Bug

Anyone pick up the Randy Savage DVD? Great stuff in there, and the 'extras' dvd promos he does are classic as well....

Yeah, the matches and promos are awesome.

Unfortunately the linking sections aren`t.

Let us have a Macho biography, Vince.

The guy only shagged your daughter, it`s all water under the bridge.

[Imapus_Sylicker]

Originally Posted by Mr Badguy

Let`s face it, everyone has been ripping off Superstar Graham.

If you have bleached hair, a great physique or can cut a great promo then that means you.

I think that covers just about everyone.

What, nowadays? EXTREMELY FEW can cut a half-decent promo, let alone a grate one.

Cheers!

[Mr Badguy]

Originally Posted by Imapus_Sylicker

What, nowadays? EXTREMELY FEW can cut a half-decent promo, let alone a grate one.

Cheers!

Just one of the three things would do.

Superstar had all three but couldn`t wrestle, much like everyone since.

Vince loved him so much he became the blueprint for WWE "superstars".

[Imapus_Sylicker]

Well, it's no wonder. Grate promos make it interesting. It's a promo that makes you like or hate a wrestler.

And good physique makes you believable. Yeah, it's not all, but it helps.

Then, there's selling. Hogan, who repeatedly admitted he ripped off Graham, even more than anyone, made his career out of selling. Yes, he was one of the worst wrestlers ever. But he could sell a punch like noone else. And he cut a mean promo, too.

I hate Hogan, but I'd rather see more like him, than all these new super-athletes who're just jumping around and can't carry a decent match if their lives depended on it.

Hogan vs. Andre at Wrestlemania III is a damn good match, considering what we see nowadays. And all it had was a Body Slam. That was it.

Cheers!

[ForeverDLR/VH]

I loved Hogan and Warrior when I was a kid, they got over well with the fans back then!, WM 6 match Hogan vs Warrior classic Baby Face match and I thought was one of the few good matchies in either of their careers. Hogan's wrestling sucked, but great mic. guy and knows how to get the fans into his character. In the 80's. 90's the fans loved and adore him and in his NWO "Heel" days, fans hated his guts and got shit tossed at him with fans wanting to kill him!

[ForeverDLR/VH]

Originally Posted by Mr Badguy

Yeah, the matches and promos are awesome.

Unfortunately the linking sections aren`t.

Let us have a Macho biography, Vince.

The guy only shagged your daughter, it`s all water under the bridge.

Macho didn't leave the WWE in the best of terms with Vince, there is more hate between Vince and Macho, than Hogan and even Bret Hart!

It took this many years for this DVD to be released with Macho's matches and it's all we will get. There won't probably be even a HOF induction for Macho ever.

I guess what’s new, Vince would screw his own wife and kids over if he could make a buck!

[ppg960]

Since The Rock and Stone Cold left it's been shit. I can't even stand to watch it. Watching Vince lie and BS on CNN after Benoit took his life and the family was an injustice. He has no morals and is just out for the mighty $$$. Could care less about the people working for him.

[ForeverDLR/VH]

According to Vince, Benoit didn't even exists, editing out all of his old videos. Just because his personal life sucked and he is a Asshole, he was still a great tech. wrestler.

[bueno bob]

They need to go back to what worked in the 80s. And I can prove it. WCW went with what worked with the WWF in the 80s back in the mid to late 90s and look at what happened - they almost put the WWF out of business. Well, prior to Kevin Nash taking over, anyway. WCW followed the WWFs 80s game plan to a T when the WWF wasn't doing it and they slaughtered the WWF every Monday for quite a while.

Pro wrestling right now is just at a stage where it doesn't really appeal to anybody anymore. Everybody in their 20s is longing for the good old days of Stone Cold Steve Austin and The Rock; everybody in their 30s is longing for the good old days of Hulk Hogan and Randy Savage; everybody in their 40s is longing for the good old days of Bob Backlund and Tito Santana; and so on...

The problem with wrestling is that it's biggest audience is and always will be kids and teenagers, and even they're beyond bored with the so-called "talent" roster. You look at it honestly and all you see in the main event are HHH, Batista, John Cena, Randy Orton, et al over and over and over and over and over and over...it's repetitive and it's boring. There's no main event excitement anymore. A major event with a title on the line used to be pretty big fucking news, but now? Now titles change hands every 2-4 weeks, so who cares who has a title anymore? Considering how quickly titles get dropped, there's no interest in a change. It'll just change again in 2 weeks, so who gives a shit, right?

It's been mentioned that, now that Vince has eaten up all the independent territories, he has essentially no smaller villages to rape and plunder. It's true. So much excitement regarding new additions to the WWF in the 80s came from these guys who a lot of the fans had no previous knowledge of outside of a non-WWF wrestling magazine, and it was exciting to see them come to the "big time". Now that Vince essentially owns it all (with the exception of TNA, which is basically WCW revisited at this point), there's only x amount of room to do anything with anybody.

Vince has pumped so much air time and promotional money into a few select dudes that he can hardly run the risk of dumping them in favor of putting cash and air time into developing new blood, it'll sink the ship and right now those few dudes at the top are basically all he has to keep the ship afloat at all. It wasn't always like that - I mean, fuck, how exciting was it when everybody was asking "How in the hell is anybody ever going to beat Honky Tonk Man? Every time he gets anywhere close to losing, he just gets disqualified or counted out..."? Point is, even undercard matches used to be really exciting. Rick Rude vs. Jake Roberts...Savage vs. Honky...Bigelow vs. One Man Gang...Beefcake vs. Valentine...undercard feuds actually MEANT something back then.

I mean, when the fuck's the last time you actually CARED about an Intercontinental title match? Really? Or any other undercard match? The time and effort required to create a good, interesting feud just isn't done anymore. And beyond that, the so-called "talent" of today can't work the mic. A true professional wrestler is an actor first and a ring technician second. It's what's required, and the WWE has forgotten about that somewhere down the road, because these dudes CANNOT sell it.

Unless some other federation springs up that has the finances to compete directly with the WWE and presents something exciting again, much like the WCW did, I honestly get the feeling that professional wrestling is going to die a slow, painful death over the next ten years. When you can't sell your feuds, your talent can't act it, and there's no value in title changes anymore, you're in trouble.

[Imapus_Sylicker]

Originally Posted by bueno bob

They need to go back to what worked in the 80s. And I can prove it. WCW went with what worked with the WWF in the 80s back in the mid to late 90s and look at what happened - they almost put the WWF out of business. Well, prior to Kevin Nash taking over, anyway. WCW followed the WWFs 80s game plan to a T when the WWF wasn't doing it and they slaughtered the WWF every Monday for quite a while.

Pro wrestling right now is just at a stage where it doesn't really appeal to anybody anymore. Everybody in their 20s is longing for the good old days of Stone Cold Steve Austin and The Rock; everybody in their 30s is longing for the good old days of Hulk Hogan and Randy Savage; everybody in their 40s is longing for the good old days of Bob Backlund and Tito Santana; and so on...

The problem with wrestling is that it's biggest audience is and always will be kids and teenagers, and even they're beyond bored with the so-called "talent" roster. You look at it honestly and all you see in the main event are HHH, Batista, John Cena, Randy Orton, et al over and over and over and over and over and over...it's repetitive and it's boring. There's no main event excitement anymore. A major event with a title on the line used to be pretty big fucking news, but now? Now titles change hands every 2-4 weeks, so who cares who has a title anymore? Considering how quickly titles get dropped, there's no interest in a change. It'll just change again in 2 weeks, so who gives a shit, right?

It's been mentioned that, now that Vince has eaten up all the independent territories, he has essentially no smaller villages to rape and plunder. It's true. So much excitement regarding new additions to the WWF in the 80s came from these guys who a lot of the fans had no previous knowledge of outside of a non-WWF wrestling magazine, and it was exciting to see them come to the "big time". Now that Vince essentially owns it all (with the exception of TNA, which is basically WCW revisited at this point), there's only x amount of room to do anything with anybody.

Vince has pumped so much air time and promotional money into a few select dudes that he can hardly run the risk of dumping them in favor of putting cash and air time into developing new blood, it'll sink the ship and right now those few dudes at the top are basically all he has to keep the ship afloat at all. It wasn't always like that - I mean, fuck, how exciting was it when everybody was asking "How in the hell is anybody ever going to beat Honky Tonk Man? Every time he gets anywhere close to losing, he just gets disqualified or counted out..."? Point is, even undercard matches used to be really exciting. Rick Rude vs. Jake Roberts...Savage vs. Honky...Bigelow vs. One Man Gang...Beefcake vs. Valentine...undercard feuds actually MEANT something back then.

I mean, when the fuck's the last time you actually CARED about an Intercontinental title match? Really? Or any other undercard match? The time and effort required to create a good, interesting feud just isn't done anymore. And beyond that, the so-called "talent" of today can't work the mic. A true professional wrestler is an actor first and a ring technician second. It's what's required, and the WWE has forgotten about that somewhere down the road, because these dudes CANNOT sell it.

Unless some other federation springs up that has the finances to compete directly with the WWE and presents something exciting again, much like the WCW did, I honestly get the feeling that professional wrestling is going to die a slow, painful death over the next ten years. When you can't sell your feuds, your talent can't act it, and there's no value in title changes anymore, you're in trouble.

Well, that just about sums it up, really... I don't think there's anything to add.

Egads, it's boring these days...

Grate post, Bobster.

Cheers!

[houseofpain]

Originally Posted by ForeverDLR/VH

Vince has no competition anymore, so he feels he doesn’t have to work as hard. TNA is the next step down and they don’t have the money and the writers don’t know how to utilize the talent and up and comers they do have! Vince keeps trying to milk and pump money into john Cena, HHH, Bastia, Randy Orton, etc it keeps guys with talent such as MVP, Jack Swigger, Jeff Hardy, Edge, Y2J and CM Punk under and from getting a break to the top. I feel these guys go out and work harder than any of Vince’s Top guys do, have more talent and they get over better with the fans! Of course we know HHH is banging Stephanie. If you want to relive the good ole wrestling days get WWE 24/7/on demand to watch matches from the 70’s, 80,s and 90’s and reruns of Raw and Nitro “Monday Night Wars”.

I like TNA because they have some serious talent like AJ Styles, Christopher Daniels, Beer Money, Inc. and others, but let me introduce you guys to writing a sow with TNA creative (aka Vince Russo): That 4 Horseman thing worked, so we're going to do it, except we'll use 4 World Champions and call it the main event mafia. Let's have some Divas take most of their clothes off, shake their asses, grab their fake tits, and act like they are going to make out with each other. Later, we'll have a big fat ugly chick come beat the hell out of all of them, and drop them all on their fake titties! We should cut a promo, and since everyone knows its Jarrett's organization, we should have one or more of the wrestlers bitch about Jeff holding them back. In the main event, we're going to put the title, steel chair, coalminers glove, nail gun, bra and panties, keys to a Mick's office, what the fuck ever, on a pole and whoever climbs it gets it/;gets to use it. Somewhere in the middle, we should put 2 up and coming guys together in a tag match and see if we can get those foreigners to put them over.