George Bush is defenseless

[Steve Savicki]

"Every incumbent seeking re-election needs to defend his/her record. But George Bush can't defend his record of exporting jobs, soaring health care costs, dangerous dependence on Middle East oil and a disastrous foreign policy. His campaign only has one strategy left: throw all their resources into a negative campaign spreading lies about John Kerry." -Mary Beth Cahill

Sad; desparate times call for desparate measures.

[JCOOK]

BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH

4MOYEARS!

[John Ashcroft]

Heh heh heh...

If there ever were a case for "The Pot calling the Kettle Black" this is it.

I don't think I've heard anything but mudslinging eminating from the left (and their new savior) for 4 years now!

Oh well, I guess if being ahead by 10-12 points is considered desparation, Bush will gladly be in desparation.

[FORD]

The BCE is getting desperate.. And Uncle Dick, through his own recklessness in trying to slander the other side, has eliminated their ace in the hole.

By implying that electing Kerry would lead to another terrorist attack, Cheney was also implying that any terrorist attacks before the election would, by default, be blamed on the BCE. So there's one possibility removed from the "October Surprise" grab bag.

[John Ashcroft]

Please.. explain.. large.. lead.. in.. polls.....

Talking slow again for ya.

[FORD]

Originally posted by John Ashcroft
Please.. explain.. large.. lead.. in.. polls.....

Talking slow again for ya.

There...is..no..large..lead..in..polls.

They're up and down every day, most of them are Freeped, and they're rarely outside the "margin of error".

Aside from that, the ones that aren't internet based (which are entirely worthless) are based on the "likely voters", or the people who voted last time. And considering the 48.5 (Gore)/47.5 (Junior)/2(Nader) split from 2000, these numbers are hardly surprising.

However, what they DON'T take into account is anyone who skipped the last election.

I won't claim Kerry is their ideal candidate because he sure as fuck isn't mine. But like me, these people might just find 4 more years of a one party dictatorship to be more than this country can bear.

[freak]

Originally posted by FORD
The BCE is getting desperate..

You misspelled 'Democrats'

And Uncle Dick, through his own recklessness in trying to slander the other side, has eliminated their ace in the hole.

You misspelled Dan Rather



You're welcome :)

[Warham]

The majority of America doesn't view this country like you do, FORD. They don't sense an impending fascist rule by Dubya, because they know that the US Constitution would prohibit him from becoming the first King of the colonies since King George in 1776. The only way you libs can get people fired up to vote is to put the fear of God (and things that aren't true) into them, because you can't inspire the public with the party candidate, John F. Kerry.

[FORD]

Originally posted by Warham
The majority of America doesn't view this country like you do, FORD. They don't sense an impending fascist rule by Dubya, because they know that the US Constitution would prohibit him from becoming the first King of the colonies since King George in 1776.

And HOW did the US constitution prohibit that?

By setting up a system of checks and balances designed to ensure that all the power never ended up in the hands of one group of people.

However those checks and balances no longer exist. The Supreme Court chose this pResident and though the Congressional Black Congress did the right thing in trying to prevent it, not one Senator would stand up for them. And then a few months later, the majority of them voted for a bill which rendered half the bill of rights useless.

Where is the seperation of powers? Where are the checks and balances? Where is even a hint of critical thought from any politician in Washington DC.

Of the damn few with the balls to speak out, you give them names like "KKK Byrd" and "Baghdad Jim" never mind that these few are the only ones who are doing the goddamn jobs that their constituents elected them to do

Those hemp growing slave owners that we call the "founding fathers" are doing triple somersaults in their graves watching this criminal Fraudministration tear down everything America ever stood for.

[ELVIS]

Oh FORD.. shut the fuck up...

Your paranoid delusions regarding the state of our great country are pure bullshit...

You fucking hypocrite.. mentioning "KKK Byrd" and "Baghdad Jim"...

You have a fucking name for EVERYONE!

Go take your medicine...

[metrotac]

Dude, time to hit the pharmacy again

[freak]

And people wonder why I stopped being a Democrat 12 years ago.

[DrMaddVibe]

I don't wonder.

Glad to have ya anyways!

[FORD]

Originally posted by metrotac
Dude, time to hit the pharmacy again

The word "again" used in a reply by someone with 2 posts??

And posting the exact same crap the other GOP trolls post.

Did Rove & Gillespie set you up with a new ID that quick??

[freak]

Originally posted by FORD
The word "again" used in a reply by someone with 2 posts??

And posting the exact same crap the other GOP trolls post.

Did Rove & Gillespie set you up with a new ID that quick??



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If you join the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy, Ford, they give you a decoder ring and all sorts of neat shit! It's like selling Grit - Only not.

[John Ashcroft]

Dudes, Ford is just illustrating the entire breakdown of the Democratic party for us. They all feel this way, they usually just don't verbalize it.

Wonder why?

[freak]

Originally posted by John Ashcroft
Dudes, Ford is just illustrating the entire breakdown of the Democratic party for us. They all feel this way, they usually just don't verbalize it.

Wonder why?

I would guess the silence to be part and parcel to staying out of the political and social backwaters.

Honestly, I up and quit the Democratic party in 1992 because of this nonsense. I could see the direction things were heading and wanted no truck with it. What you have now is a dysfunctional social movement helmed by aging members of the spoiled rotten baby boom. Pseudo-intellectual foolishness mixed with a sense of entitlement and carefully choreographed outrage.

In short, a bunch of balding drama queens.

[ClubDave]

do all you guys who are all over george bush's dick really think you are getting anywhere by going on a rant like this that only ford is answering back? none of us other democrats really care for now, cause once we win the elction that we were ahead in yesterday.......you will be the pitiful ones, trying to make up excuses and sound intelligent........i cant wait........yayyyyyyyyyyyyy!

[John Ashcroft]

Heh heh heh...

Welcome to the board dude! Anytime, and I truly mean this, bring it to the table anytime. We are interested in your thoughts about politics. Just be prepared. You can't float accusations around here without some kind of supporting evidence.

So, what gives you confidence in the "New JFK"?

What excites you about him?

[freak]

Originally posted by ClubDave
do all you guys who are all over george bush's dick really think you are getting anywhere by going on a rant like this that only ford is answering back? none of us other democrats really care for now, cause once we win the elction that we were ahead in yesterday.......you will be the pitiful ones, trying to make up excuses and sound intelligent........i cant wait........yayyyyyyyyyyyyy!

LMAO...As if to illustrate the point, we have this gem - A textbook oral sex insult that devolves into gibberish and ends with "yaaaaay!"

Ladies and gentlemen, forget the terrorist threat. We are in danger of being over-run by a very short bus.

;)

[John Ashcroft]

Heh heh heh...

Good one dude!

I was pandering to the poor chap, while you simply pulled out the "short bus" block. Good one!

[Lincoln]

Originally posted by FORD
There...is..no..large..lead..in..polls.

They're up and down every day, most of them are Freeped, and they're rarely outside the "margin of error".



Come on Ford you know better than that, only internet polls could be Freeped, the major polls such as Gallup, Newseek, and Time are phone polls.

[FORD]

Originally posted by Lincoln
Come on Ford you know better than that, only internet polls could be Freeped, the major polls such as Gallup, Newseek, and Time are phone polls.

The phone polls were what I was referring to when I said "likely voters" i.e. phone lists which are somehow generated from those registered to vote in 2000. And as I said, such polls go by the results of the last election, but don't count other eligible voters who sat that one out for whatever reason.

In terms of real numbers (i.e the actual eligible voters), Junior only got less than 24% of those votes, where as Gore got slightly more than that.

Most of those who skipped the election entirely last time did so because they thought both major parties were too far to the right for them. Junior cannot possibly tap into that vote. With the Supreme Court and the environment at risk, Kerry could very easily tap into a good portion of it. These polls have no way of accounting for that factor, because it's not in the demographic that Gallup and the others are using.

[ELVIS]

Originally posted by FORD
phone lists which are somehow generated from those registered to vote in 2000.

What planet are you on ??

"somehow" ??

Mure liberal facts, huh ??

[freak]

Originally posted by ELVIS
What planet are you on ??

"somehow" ??

Mure liberal facts, huh ??

Telemarketing lists.....or evil Republican conspiracy.

You decide!

[FORD]

Originally posted by ELVIS
What planet are you on ??

"somehow" ??

Mure liberal facts, huh ??

Don't be an idiot. Lists of registered voters aren't exactly top secret. How else do you think all that political junk mail got in your mailbox, addressed to your full name, as it's listed on your voter registration.

[freak]

Originally posted by FORD
Don't be an idiot. Lists of registered voters aren't exactly top secret. How else do you think all that political junk mail got in your mailbox, addressed to your full name, as it's listed on your voter registration.

And where do you think most telemarketing lists come from?

Same source.

I was contracted to write telemarketing software once upon a time (and will burn in Hell for it, I know)

Nasty business.

[diamondD]

If you didn't vote last election, there's a chance you might not in this one. They are polling likely voters who have a record of actually voting. Makes perfect sense to the sane.

[freak]

Originally posted by diamondD
If you didn't vote last election, there's a chance you might not in this one. They are polling likely voters who have a record of actually voting. Makes perfect sense to the sane.

I guess its' logical in some circles to poll Mennonites about technology or rural Montana anarchists about civic responsibility.

[FORD]

Originally posted by diamondD
If you didn't vote last election, there's a chance you might not in this one. They are polling likely voters who have a record of actually voting. Makes perfect sense to the sane.

As I said, the damage Bush Jr has done to the environment, and could do to the Supreme Court are motivating factors that didn't exist in 2000. (they should have, but Junior lied and said he was "compassionate")

Those 2 reasons have already siphoned off much of Ralphie's former voters, and it's likely that Greens, socialists, and the non voters might climb aboard for that reason.

Right wing obstainers have no motivation though. Libetrtarians and traditional conservatives can't abide Junior's spending or wars of imperialism. I'm actually disappointed Pat Buchanan didn't run :(

[ClubDave]

ive been posting and checking the frotn line long enough to see how the game is played here....and what excites me about the new JFK is the fact that he was in vietnam......he served, and firsthand saw how stupid a war is when its based solely on us politics........i dont care what people say about his actions after the war, kerry was there....bush was busy ranking 27th in his airforce class.........kerry knows how to improve our foreign policy, and is a much better candidate than bush

[FORD]

Originally posted by freak
I guess its' logical in some circles to poll Mennonites about technology or rural Montana anarchists about civic responsibility.

Do Mennonites and Amish vote? I'm assuming they would NOT use a Diebold machine, but then, neither would I.

As for the Montana "freemen" types - that's another right wing population who probably won't be supporting Junior.

[freak]

Originally posted by FORD
As I said, the damage Bush Jr has done to the environment

What damage?

Is George W wandering around in national forests with a book of matches?

This environmental scare nonsense gets old, Ford.


, and could do to the Supreme Court are motivating factors that didn't exist in 2000.

Horrors. Judicial appointees who interpret as opposed to invent law. What is this world coming to?

[freak]

Originally posted by FORD
Do Mennonites and Amish vote? I'm assuming they would NOT use a Diebold machine, but then, neither would I.

As for the Montana "freemen" types - that's another right wing population who probably won't be supporting Junior.

We agree on the voting machine stuff, then.

Damned stupid idea.

No way to make it secure. Anyone who designs software will tell you that too if they are honest.

The freeman types have sanity issues. I wouldn't call them right-wing though. They're off in an entirely different trajectory. I'm just glad it leads them to live in shacks and stay out of everyone's way.

[ODShowtime]

Listening to some of you 'pubs is terrifying. DoubleThink in action. For real.

You people honestly don't care about the lies and the theft that have characterized this administration? Man I wish I was as blind or ignorant as some of you. It would make things MUCH easier.

[DrMaddVibe]

If you believe that then you're dumber than you think!

[John Ashcroft]

Originally posted by ODShowtime
You people honestly don't care about the lies and the theft that have characterized this administration? Man I wish I was as blind or ignorant as some of you. It would make things MUCH easier.

No, it is us who wish we were as educated and enlightened as you.

I hear you're "University Educated"? What's that mean? I mean, I don't think anyone else on these boards know what a University is either...

Hell, we were all busy ditching school for Votech and Boces.

So help a brother out, how's one become as smart as you???

[freak]

Originally posted by ODShowtime
Listening to some of you 'pubs is terrifying. DoubleThink in action. For real.

You people honestly don't care about the lies and the theft that have characterized this administration?

What lies?
What theft?
What hideous attrocities have you borne witness to?


Man I wish I was as blind or ignorant as some of you. It would make things MUCH easier.

You seem to be sufficiently blessed in that area as it is. ;)

[Warham]

FORD, any election can have an effect on the Supreme Court. Any of those judges could keel over at any time. The only people in this country that are fired up about the Supreme Court nominees are either gay or abortion rights activists.

Despite your rants, the Reagan appointees to the Court have voted with a liberal bent many times, so this crap that he'll appoint hard core conservatives doesn't fly.

[John Ashcroft]

Although he should...