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BigBadBrian
09-20-2004, 07:32 AM
CBS News Concludes It Was Misled on National Guard Memos, Network Officials Say
By JIM RUTENBERG

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After days of expressing confidence about the documents used in a "60 Minutes'' report that raised new questions about President Bush's National Guard service, CBS News officials have grave doubts about the authenticity of the material, network officials said last night.

The officials, who asked not to be identified, said CBS News would most likely make an announcement as early as today that it had been deceived about the documents' origins. CBS News has already begun intensive reporting on where they came from, and people at the network said it was now possible that officials would open an internal inquiry into how it moved forward with the report. Officials say they are now beginning to believe the report was too flawed to have gone on the air.

But they cautioned that CBS News could still pull back from an announcement. Officials met last night with Dan Rather, the anchor who presented the report, to go over the information it had collected about the documents one last time before making a final decision. Mr. Rather was not available for comment late last night.

The report relied in large part on four memorandums purported to be from the personal file of Mr. Bush's squadron commander, Lt. Col. Jerry B. Killian, who died 20 years ago. The memos, dated from the early 1970's, said that Colonel Killian was under pressure to "sugar coat'' the record of the young Lieutenant Bush and that the officer had disobeyed a direct order to take a physical.

Mr. Rather and others at the network are said to still believe that the sentiment in the memos accurately reflected Mr. Killian's feelings but that the documents' authenticity was now in grave doubt.

The developments last night marked a dramatic turn for CBS News, which for a week stood steadfastly by its Sept. 8 report as various document experts asserted that the typeface of the memos could have been produced only by a modern-day word processor, not Vietnam War-era typewriters.

The seemingly unflappable confidence of Mr. Rather and top news division officials in the documents allayed fears within the network and created doubt among some in the news media at large that those specialists were correct. CBS News officials had said they had reason to be certain that the documents indeed had come from the personal file of Colonel Killian.

Sandy Genelius, a network spokeswoman, said last week, "We are confident about the chain of custody; we're confident in how we secured the documents.''

But officials decided yesterday that they would most likely have to declare that they had been misled about the records' origin after Mr. Rather and a top network executive, Betsy West, met in Texas with a man who was said to have helped the news division obtain the memos, a former Guard officer named Bill Burkett.

Mr. Rather interviewed Mr. Burkett on camera this weekend, and several people close to the reporting process said his answers to Mr. Rather's questions led officials to conclude that their initial confidence that the memos had come from Mr. Killian's own files was not warranted. These people indicated that Mr. Burkett had previously led the producer of the piece, Mary Mapes, to have the utmost confidence in the material.

It was unclear last night if Mr. Burkett had told Mr. Rather that he had been misled about the documents' provenance or that he had been the one who did the misleading.

In an e-mail message yesterday, Mr. Burkett declined to answer any questions about the documents.

Yesterday, Emily J. Will, a document specialist who inspected the records for CBS News and said last week that she had raised concerns about their authenticity with CBS News producers, confirmed a report in Newsweek that a producer had told her that the source of the documents said they had been obtained anonymously and through the mail.

In an interview last night she declined to name the producer who told her this but said the producer was in a position to know. CBS News officials have disputed her contention that she warned the network the night before the initial "60 Minutes'' report that it would face questions from documents experts.

In the coming days CBS News officials plan to focus on how the network moved ahead with the report when there were warning signs that the memorandums were not genuine.

Ms. Will is one of two documents experts consulted by the network who said they raised doubts about the material before the segment was broadcast. Another expert, Marcel B. Matley, said in interviews that he had vouched only for Colonel Killian's signatures on the records and not the authenticity of the records themselves. Mr. Matley said he could not rule out that the signatures had been cut and pasted from official records pertaining to Colonel Killian.

In examining where the network had gone wrong, officials at CBS News turning their attention to Ms. Mapes, one of their most respected producers, who was riding particularly high this year after breaking news about the Abu Ghraib prison scandal for the network.

In a telephone interview this weekend, Josh Howard, the executive producer of the "60 Minutes'' Wednesday edition, said that he did not initially know who was Ms. Mapes' primary source for the documents but that he did not see any reason to doubt them. He said he believed Ms. Mapes and her team had appropriately answered all questions about the documents' authenticity and, he noted, no one seemed to be casting doubt upon the essential thrust of the report.

"The editorial story line was still intact, and still is, to this day,'' he said, "and the reporting that was done in it was by a person who has turned in decades of flawless reporting with no challenge to her credibility.''

He added, "We in management had no sense that the producing team wasn't completely comfortable with the results of the document analysis.''

Ms. Mapes has not responded to requests for comment.

Mr. Howard also said in the interview that the White House did not dispute the veracity of the documents when it was presented to them on the morning of the report. That reaction, he said, was "the icing on the cake'' of the other reporting the network was conducting on the documents. White House officials have said they saw no reason to challenge documents being presented by a credible news organization.

Several people familiar with the situation said they were girding for a particularly tough week for Mr. Rather and the news division should the network announce its new doubts.

One person close to the situation said the critical question would be, "Where was everybody's judgment on that last day?''

FORD
09-20-2004, 08:49 AM
Dupe. Continue ranting here (http://www.rotharmy.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=10706)

conmee
09-20-2004, 09:44 AM
FORD,

I generally, don't help out around this joint, but the other thread contains the exact same posting, just with a horribly non-descript title (only tech-nerds like myself would probably understand the reference...). So I closed that thread and reopened the more suitably titled thread.

Icon.

:monkey:

P.S. All your base are belong to us...

Sgt Schultz
09-20-2004, 09:52 AM
CBS to say it was misled on Bush Guard memos
Network plans to issue statement on disputed documents used on '60 Minutes' broadcast

By Howard Kurtz
The Washington Post
Updated: 7:16 a.m. ET Sept. 20, 2004


CBS News plans to issue a statement, perhaps as early as today, saying that it was misled on the purported National Guard memos the network used to charge that President Bush received favored treatment 30 years ago.

The statement would represent a huge embarrassment for the network, which insisted for days that the documents reported by Dan Rather on "60 Minutes" are authentic. But the statement could help defuse a crisis that has torn at the network's credibility.

It is not clear whether the statement will include an apology for a story now believed to be based on forged documents, although that is under consideration, sources familiar with the matter said. The sources said they could not be identified because CBS is making no official statement.

CBS has stood by the story, even as numerous document experts have called the memos forgeries and a former secretary in Bush's Guard unit told reporters, including Rather, that the memos were fake -- although she said they reflected the feelings of Bush's former squadron commander in the Texas Air National Guard.

The statement was being hammered out last night after Rather went to Texas to tape an interview with Bill Burkett, the retired Guard official widely believed to have helped provide "60 Minutes" with the memos. Burkett, who has urged Democratic activists to wage "war" against Republican "dirty tricks," would not comment in an e-mail to The Washington Post on whether he had been CBS's confidential source.

CBS News President Andrew Heyward, while declining to comment on what interviews the network may be conducting, said yesterday: "We've said we are trying very hard to get to the bottom of these questions."

Burkett, who retired from the Austin headquarters of the Guard in 1998, has said he once saw some of Bush's military records in a trash can. He also says he overheard a conversation among Guard officials about sanitizing the president's military records, which Guard officials strongly deny.

Burkett's motivation could be suspect because he said in a Web posting last month that he tried to contact John F. Kerry's presidential campaign with information for a "counteratack."

Over the weekend, Bush told the Manchester, N.H., Union Leader that "there are a lot of questions" about the CBS documents "and they need to be answered."

Asked about Bush's remarks, Heyward said: "I don't feel any more pressure than before. I agree with President Bush that the sooner we can resolve these questions, the better."

© 2004 The Washington Post Company

conmee
09-20-2004, 10:31 AM
I'm thinking all of this has to just piss off the Democrats... not only has Bush totally changed the focus of the race from real issues to Kerry's war record, but now Bush has been able to discredit in the eyes of many, Dan Rather and CBS news, once again changing the focus from Bush's own Reserve record, to the questionable journalistic practices of Nightly News... rotflmao!!!!!

Icon.

:monkey:

Big Train
09-20-2004, 01:25 PM
The real issues are why fake documents and pedaling of fake medals constitute his competitors campaign. Kerry has offered very little in the way of actual substance in his campaign, so they should start there.

The debates are coming, it will all come out in the wash.

ELVIS
09-20-2004, 01:56 PM
Originally posted by conmee
FORD,

I closed that thread and reopened the more suitably titled thread.

Icon.





:D

FORD's sly attempt at censorship...


:elvis:

ELVIS
09-20-2004, 02:09 PM
EXCLUSIVE // Mon Sep 20 2004 11:58:02 ET
STATEMENT FROM DAN RATHER:

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Last week, amid increasing questions about the authenticity of documents used in support of a 60 MINUTES WEDNESDAY story about President Bush's time in the Texas Air National Guard, CBS News vowed to re-examine the documents in question—and their source—vigorously. And we promised that we would let the American public know what this examination turned up, whatever the outcome.

Now, after extensive additional interviews, I no longer have the confidence in these documents that would allow us to continue vouching for them journalistically. I find we have been misled on the key question of how our source for the documents came into possession of these papers. That, combined with some of the questions that have been raised in public and in the press, leads me to a point where—if I knew then what I know now—I would not have gone ahead with the story as it was aired, and I certainly would not have used the documents in question.

But we did use the documents. We made a mistake in judgment, and for that I am sorry. It was an error that was made, however, in good faith and in the spirit of trying to carry on a CBS News tradition of investigative reporting without fear or favoritism.

Please know that nothing is more important to us than people's trust in our ability and our commitment to report fairly and truthfully.



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MAX
09-20-2004, 02:12 PM
BWAHAHAHA!!!!!

Sean Hannity said this was inevitable since it was first aired. LMAO!!!!

Warham
09-20-2004, 05:36 PM
Bush is like a duck in water. Nothing will stick.

In the end though, it's all the Democrats' fault.

ELVIS
09-20-2004, 06:09 PM
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freak
09-20-2004, 06:18 PM
Originally posted by conmee
P.S. All your base are belong to us...

;)

freak
09-20-2004, 06:25 PM
Originally posted by conmee
I'm thinking all of this has to just piss off the Democrats... not only has Bush totally changed the focus of the race from real issues to Kerry's war record, but now Bush has been able to discredit in the eyes of many, Dan Rather and CBS news, once again changing the focus from Bush's own Reserve record, to the questionable journalistic practices of Nightly News... rotflmao!!!!!

Icon.

:monkey:

And the funniest bit being.....he didn't have to do jack squat to accomplish it.

All he had to do was sit back and let their own ineptitude do the work.

And they still call him dumb..

I love it :D

Warham
09-20-2004, 06:30 PM
Well, the dumb guy is going to get another four years.

freak
09-20-2004, 06:34 PM
Originally posted by Warham
Well, the dumb guy is going to get another four years.

Riding to victory on the shoulders of the downright imbecilic, it appears.

Warham
09-20-2004, 06:35 PM
Bush doesn't even need to show up for the debates. He's already won.

freak
09-20-2004, 06:38 PM
Originally posted by Warham
Bush doesn't even need to show up for the debates. He's already won.

No, he doesn't.

Kerry has voted both sides of every issue imaginable.

He can debate himself :D

ELVIS
09-20-2004, 06:45 PM
DLR'sCock quote
The technology was available at the time...but not prevalent. Once again smoke and mirrors from the Bush admin switches the debate to the authenticity and not the content...

Warham
09-20-2004, 06:46 PM
A fuckin 10 year old could have told that document was a forgery.

freak
09-20-2004, 06:57 PM
DLR'sCock quote
The technology was available at the time...but not prevalent. Once again smoke and mirrors from the Bush admin switches the debate to the authenticity and not the content...

Translation: Just because we have to resort to forgeries to slander the president over something of no significance whatsoever doesn't mean it isn't true.

Reality Check

The Democratic candidate is a dud.
The Democrats have no issues to run on.
Democratic supporters like Rather and Moore are hurting as opposed to helping the cause

Game over
See you in 2008.

ELVIS
09-20-2004, 07:25 PM
CNN TRANSCRIPT:

DAN RATHER, CBS NEWS ANCHOR: I know that this story is true. I believe that the witnesses and the documents are authentic. We wouldn't have gone to air if they would not have been. There isn't going to be -- there's no -- what you're saying apology?

QUESTION: Apology or any kind of retraction or...

RATHER: Not even discussed, nor should it be. I want to make clear to you, I want to make clear to you if I have not made clear to you, that this story is true, and that more important questions than how we got the story, which is where those who don't like the story like to put the emphasis, the more important question is what are the answers to the questions raised in the story, which I just gave you earlier.



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John Ashcroft
09-20-2004, 08:54 PM
Anyone notice Ford's been unusually absent from these discussions?

Is it because he got slapped down from Sarge for editing posts, or is because of all the bad news for his candidate???

Is he taking his ball and going home?

I'm telling ya, suicide watch begins November 3rd.

ELVIS
09-21-2004, 06:26 AM
Maybe the BCE abducted him and cut his head off...

Pink Spider
09-21-2004, 08:47 AM
Originally posted by Warham
Well, the dumb guy...

Admittance is the first step. ;)

ELVIS
09-21-2004, 08:52 AM
You might know...

Sgt Schultz
09-21-2004, 02:04 PM
More evidence of CBS News unbiased and fair reporting...........

Photo of a CBS News Van

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Warham
09-21-2004, 02:09 PM
CBS and the Kerry campaign are in cahoots.

I wonder if somebody in the Kerry campaign actually forged those documents, then gave them to that guy, who in turn gave them to CBS.

Sgt Schultz
09-21-2004, 02:12 PM
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Cathedral
09-21-2004, 07:28 PM
Either way, I see Ms. Mapes resignation coming soon from CBS. she is far too experienced in her job for this to be considered a mistake.

Sorry, she fucked up a great gig i'm afraid.

twonabomber
09-21-2004, 07:56 PM
less people care about this than everyone thinks. ;)

freak
09-21-2004, 07:58 PM
Originally posted by twonabomber
less people care about this than everyone thinks. ;)

Funny, it's all people talked about at work today.

Getting kind of tired of it, myself.

twonabomber
09-21-2004, 08:02 PM
yeah, funny how all the assholes on Fox News Channel roll their eyes when they mention the CBS thing...when half the time all FNC shows is high speed chases on Los Angeles freeways. now THAT'S news, folks.

freak
09-21-2004, 08:05 PM
Originally posted by twonabomber
yeah, funny how all the assholes on Fox News Channel roll their eyes when they mention the CBS thing...when half the time all FNC shows is high speed chases on Los Angeles freeways. now THAT'S news, folks.

Well, at least it isn't liberals wearing Republican masks, pretending to be drunk and running from the cops.

Tho' I do expect to see something like that before it's all over with :D

ELVIS
09-21-2004, 08:08 PM
LMAO!

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