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  • Pink Spider
    Sniper
    • Jan 2004
    • 867

    Putin launches unconstitutional coup d'etat

    Haven't seen anything about this on here yet...

    While using the war on terrorism as a mere excuse, Russian president Vladimir Putin has decided to strengthen his personal powers. President's newly-devel...


    While using the war on terrorism as a mere excuse, Russian president Vladimir Putin has decided to strengthen his personal powers.

    President's newly-developed plan entails that governors should no longer be elected by those people who live in the regions, but by delegates instead. President himself will provide the candidates. Political analysts are skeptical as to the fact that such drastic measures will aid to combat terrorism; they also doubt that such measures have in fact been conducted in accordance with the Constitution.

    The other day, during a government"s meeting Vladimir Putin has made the following statement: "To ensure unity of the governmental authorities and a step-by-step development of federalism it is important that the Federation and its units will act together in the formation of executive governmental bodies on the territory of the Russian Federation. In this regard, I assume that high-ranking officials of the units of the Russian Federation will ought to be elected by Legislative Assemblies of those territories."

    Some critics have already announced last night that those amendments to the system proposed by the president regarding regional elections appear to be contradictory to the Russian Constitution. Independent delegate of the State Duma Vladimir Ryzhkov states that Putin"s initiative deviates from the resolution passed by the Constitutional Court on 18 January 1996 according to which election of a high-rank official of any unit of the Federation by delegates of a regional parliament contradicts the Constitution. Back then, the court constituted that head of a region had to acquire his mandate from residents.

    Georgy Satarov, head of the INDEM Fund states: "Thing is, Putin"s proposition concerns not only his personal relationships with the governors. There exists another, perhaps quite meaningless for Mr. Putin, but surely important detail as the Russian citizens. 55th clause of the Constitution clearly states no law significantly diminishing citizens" rights can be adopted in Russia. It appears obvious first of all that Putin simply robs Russian people of their right to vote. Second of all, there is a fundamental 3rd clause of the Russian Constitution that reads that all authority in the country belongs to the Russian people: they exercise it through delegates or by means of a referendum. It used to be that people had exercised their power through their representatives i.e. governors. But it appears that the president intends to remove them and suggest that those governors and heads of the republics became representatives of the president himself, not the people. Finally, Constitution also mentions that Russia is a federative state. Putin and the governors possess different mandates; Putin has a federal mandate, whereas the governors possess a mandate to manage Federal units. And this is where the mix up occurs, which inevitably leads to the destruction of federalism.

    This is a drastic change of the country"s political system in general which will quite obviously result in rather unexpected consequences. This is in fact an unconstitutional upheaval if you want."

    A source from the president"s administration presumes that the new election system will take effect only after terms of acting governors expires.
    According to another source, the new system poses certain risks for Federal government and for the president. "Whereas today governors are held responsible for the situation in the regions, afterward, all those problems will strike the president directly," states the source. "As far as politics go, this move may have negative consequences for Federal government and the president in the long run."
  • ODShowtime
    ROCKSTAR

    • Jun 2004
    • 5812

    #2
    Well I've never seen an elected official use a terrorist attack as an excuse for a power grab before. Those Russians sure are on the vanguard of political thought.
    gnaw on it

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    • Pink Spider
      Sniper
      • Jan 2004
      • 867

      #3
      The terrorists obviously hated their freedom so they had to get rid of it. If it can work here...

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      • ODShowtime
        ROCKSTAR

        • Jun 2004
        • 5812

        #4
        Yeah, that's why terrorists toss away their own lives and those of innocents. Because they hate freedom. They don't know what it means, but they hate it.
        gnaw on it

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        • Big Train
          Full Member Status

          • Apr 2004
          • 4013

          #5
          so what exactly are you fishing for? I generally don't comment on the affairs of other countries (ask the canadiens around here).

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          • Sgt Schultz
            Commando
            • Mar 2004
            • 1270

            #6
            ++Yawn++ ..oh..what? Oh, wake me up when this has anything to do with Bush.

            Night night.

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            • Pink Spider
              Sniper
              • Jan 2004
              • 867

              #7
              So, democracy being destroyed bores you? That's all I need to know about the blind following Shrubites. Go ahead and defend the Patriot Act some more like a good little fascist worshipper.

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              • ODShowtime
                ROCKSTAR

                • Jun 2004
                • 5812

                #8
                ouch a spider bite
                gnaw on it

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                • Sgt Schultz
                  Commando
                  • Mar 2004
                  • 1270

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Pink Spider
                  So, democracy being destroyed bores you? That's all I need to know about the blind following Shrubites. Go ahead and defend the Patriot Act some more like a good little fascist worshipper.
                  No, your post headline relates this to Bush so I'm wondering just how.

                  You can also regale us with the complaints SPECIFICALLY related to the passage of the Patriot Act of how U.S> citizens civil rights have been violated. Be careful now.

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                  • Pink Spider
                    Sniper
                    • Jan 2004
                    • 867

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Sgt Schultz
                    No, your post headline relates this to Bush so I'm wondering just how.

                    You can also regale us with the complaints SPECIFICALLY related to the passage of the Patriot Act of how U.S> citizens civil rights have been violated. Be careful now.
                    It's been banned from hundreds of cities. They're complaining quite nicely.

                    What part of this being a blatent repealment of the 4th amendment do you not understand? Are you against the constitution?

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                    • Sgt Schultz
                      Commando
                      • Mar 2004
                      • 1270

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Pink Spider
                      It's been banned from hundreds of cities. They're complaining quite nicely.

                      What part of this being a blatent repealment of the 4th amendment do you not understand? Are you against the constitution?
                      How are your 4th Ammendment rights being violated?

                      I'd much rather live in a city that has not passed meaningless resolutions about the Patriot Act which are symbolic only and waste taxpayer money.

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                      • Pink Spider
                        Sniper
                        • Jan 2004
                        • 867

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Sgt Schultz
                        How are your 4th Ammendment rights being violated?

                        I'd much rather live in a city that has not passed meaningless resolutions about the Patriot Act which are symbolic only and waste taxpayer money.
                        Well, for one probable cause is no longer needed under the Patriot Act.
                        But, you should go read it for yourself to get a scope of what it does.

                        This is not a conservative/liberal issue to agree with because your favorite politician endorses it. This is the constitution and it's not something to take lightly.

                        A waste of taxpayer money? The future of freedom...actual freedom, not political rhetoric is on the line here.
                        Real conservatives and liberals are united to stop the erosion before it's too late.

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                        • Sgt Schultz
                          Commando
                          • Mar 2004
                          • 1270

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Pink Spider
                          Well, for one probable cause is no longer needed under the Patriot Act.
                          But, you should go read it for yourself to get a scope of what it does.

                          This is not a conservative/liberal issue to agree with because your favorite politician endorses it. This is the constitution and it's not something to take lightly.

                          A waste of taxpayer money? The future of freedom...actual freedom, not political rhetoric is on the line here.
                          Real conservatives and liberals are united to stop the erosion before it's too late.
                          Probable casue is still needed.

                          "As was true before the USA PATRIOT Act was enacted, the probable cause standard in a criminal case is probable cause to believe that a crime has been committed and that the person is using the facilities sought to be monitored or searched in connection with the crime; in a foreign intelligence case, probable cause that the target is an agent of a foreign power and that the facilities sought to be monitored or searched are being used by an agent of a foreign power. In both types of investigations, probable cause must be established to obtain a wiretap order or search warrant. As was true even before the USA PATRIOT Act, lesser intrusions, such as requests for records from third parties, require a lower standard. "

                          And yes, the job of a city council is to pass binding measures within THEIR JURISDICTION of matters pertaining to that locality - like roads, liquor licenses, taxes etc - city councils have no business wasting taxpayer money by spending their time passing MEANINGLESS non-binding measures so that they may vent their collective spleens against the Evil Bush.

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                          • ODShowtime
                            ROCKSTAR

                            • Jun 2004
                            • 5812

                            #14
                            You'd never know about real violations of the Patriot Act because they're kept secret.
                            gnaw on it

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                            • ODShowtime
                              ROCKSTAR

                              • Jun 2004
                              • 5812

                              #15
                              where'd you even get that quote from?
                              gnaw on it

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