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FORD
09-27-2004, 02:48 AM
But as I said to someone the other day, if my own daughter were a homosexual or a lesbian, I would love my daughter, but I would tell my daughter that she was in sin. And I would love her and pray for her and try to open her heart to the truth of God's intention for her life. That's what I would do. - Alan Keyes, 9/1/04

Keyes was all about attacking someone else's lesbian daughter. He decided it was fair game to talk about this family subject. Yes, he was only "asked" a question about Dick Cheney's daughter, but he could have refused to broach the subject. Instead, he fired away with both barrels.

The kid looks pretty cool to me, despite her goofy dad. But isn't that often the way?

http://members.aol.com/chillinois/maybe2.jpg

Somewhere over the rainbow
Modern Vertebrate has discovered a blog that appears to be written by Alan Keyes' daughter, Maya Keyes, who also appears to be a lesbian. I stopped by the blog and was astounded. And then I did a little more checking and now I'm just floored.

Is the blog written by Maya Keyes? Here's a recent entry:

Today we went to a Labor Day parade in Naperville that was just incredible. I mean, yea, it was rainy and wet and cold-ish and dreary and we all got soaked at the beginning. But there were hundreds of supporters out to march with us in the parade - we had the biggest group of any in the entire thing! And the whole route, people were enthusiastic and cheering and wishing Dad good luck - it was just encouraging. Going by what the media says, it would be easy to get the impression he doesn't have a single supporter in the entire state of Illinois. But days like this definitely show the truth.


Now for the good stuff. Here's an interesting entry from the blog:

Dex was over last night and ended up crashing (hard!) in my bed - the poor kid hadn't slept since leaving Arizona. This morning when we woke up he spent a confused few moments looking at me before asking, with some mild apprehension: "Just how drunk were we last night?"

I reassured him that no, the strongest thing he'd had to drink was carbonated water, neither of our significant others had been cheated on, and we were still, both, quite queer. He was very much relieved. (emphasis added)


Much more here (http://chillinois.blogspot.com/)

ELVIS
09-27-2004, 03:04 AM
Homosexuality is a mortal sin, and that photo is disgusting...

Sgt Schultz
09-27-2004, 09:57 AM
Don't care, non issue.

BigBadBrian
09-27-2004, 09:58 AM
Another wayward kid bound for the Lake of Fire. Such a shame. There is still hope, though.

ODShowtime
09-27-2004, 12:21 PM
There is a double-standard on this. Hot lesbians are ok.

Seshmeister
09-27-2004, 12:25 PM
Originally posted by ELVIS
Homosexuality is a mortal sin, and that photo is disgusting...

Indications that Jesus did have a homosexual orientation:

"In the Gospel of John, the disciple John frequently refers to himself in the third person as "the disciple whom Jesus loved'." 4 For example, during the Last Supper before Jesus' execution, he describes how the "beloved" disciple laid himself on Jesus' inner tunic -- his undergarment. See John 13:25 and 21:20. Robert Goss, assistant professor of comparative religion at Webster University in St. Louis, LA, noted that Jesus and the beloved disciple: "... eat together, side by side. What's being portrayed here is a pederastic relationship between an older man and a younger man. A Greek reader would understand."

Jesus appears to have loved all of his male and female followers in a close, trusting, non-erotic manner. However, the "beloved" disciple appears to be in a special relationship with Jesus; the disciple was "the" beloved. He was in a class by himself.

"Jagannath" interprets the Gospels differently. He argues that Jesus may have been bisexual. He wrote: "In the Book of John a word is used eight times that means 'is in love with' with the implication of sexual intimacy. Five times it is used with reference to Jesus' relationship with John. Once it is used to define Jesus' relationship with Lazarus. And it is also used to describe his relationship with Mary and with her sister Martha."

During the crucifixion, in John 19:26-28, Jesus is described as seeing his mother and an unidentified man: "the disciple standing by, whom he loved." Jesus probably loved all of his 12 or 70 disciples in a non-sexual manner. But this particular disciple is identified as "the" disciple who Jesus loved. That might indicate a special intimate relationship with one special disciple.

The late Morton Smith, of Columbia University reported in 1958 that he had found a fragment of a manuscript which at the Mar Saba monastery near Jerusalem. It contained the full text of Mark, chapter 10. Apparently the version that is in the Christian Scriptures is an edited version of the original. Additional verses allegedly formed part of the full version of Mark, and were inserted after verse 34. It discusses how a young man, naked but for a linen covering, expressed his love for Jesus and stayed at his place all night. More details.

"J Richards" suggested that Mark 7:14-16 shows that Jesus approves of homosexual acts. The critical phrase reads: "There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him..." Richards suggests that Jesus gave great emphasis to this teaching, directing it to everyone. Richards suggests that the sentence refers to dietary laws and also extends to "blood transfusions, medication, organ transplants, and artificial insemination" and to homosexual acts.

An anonymous webmaster wrote about a revelation that he received during her/his daily prayer and meditation: "Suddenly many aspects of the New Testament made sense. Jesus never married. He preached love, tolerance, and forgiveness of sins. He did not condemn and vilify as his so-called followers do today. He surrounded himself with men whom he loved. The Bible says nothing of Jesus' sexuality, yet we are taught that he was both divine and fully man. Why did he never marry? Why is the New Testament silent about his sexuality? It became so clear when I had the insight that Jesus was probably gay and that He understood hatred and bigotry first-hand."

Mark 14:51-52 describes the incident when Jesus was arrested by the religious police. It describes how one of Jesus' followers was scantily dressed. The King James Version says he had a linen cloth cast on his naked body; the size and location of the cloth is not defined. The New International Version says that he was "wearing nothing but a linen garment." When the police tried to seize him, they were able to grab only his cloth; the man ran away naked. Reverend Peter Murphy wrote: "We don't know from the sources what really was going on, but we do know that something was very peculiar between Jesus and young men."

(Emphasis in the original.)
Michael Kelly wrote of Jesus' attitude towards a same-sex couple as described in Matthew 8:5-13: and Luke 7:2: "One day a Roman Centurion asked him to heal his dying servant. Scholars of both Scripture and Ancient History tell us that Roman Centurions, who were not permitted to marry while in service, regularly chose a favourite male slave to be their personal assistant and sexual servant. Such liaisons were common in the Graeco-Roman world and it was not unusual for them to deepen into loving partnerships....Jesus offered to go to the servant, but the centurion asked him simply to speak a word of healing, since he was not worthy to welcome this itinerant Jewish teacher under his roof. Jesus responded by healing the servant and proclaiming that even in Israel he had never found faith like this! So, in the one Gospel story where Jesus encountered people sharing what we would call a 'gay relationship,' we see him simply concerned about — and deeply moved by — their faith and love." Kelly implies that Jesus' sensitivity towards the gay couple might have arisen from his own bisexual or homosexual orientation.

Other commentators have noted that Jesus is silent towards homosexuality in the Gospels. Yet, Paul's opinions and those of many other authors in the Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament) are clearly stated. They conclude that Jesus might have been gay himself. Odler Jeanlouie speculated: "Is it meaningful that, in the Sermon on the Mount, central to his teaching, he offered a one-way trip to the Kingdom of God, to anyone who is persecuted?"

DrMaddVibe
09-27-2004, 12:51 PM
Someone else is having that talk with their kids too...

Jesus Christ
09-27-2004, 01:38 PM
Originally posted by Seshmeister
Indications that Jesus did have a homosexual orientation:

Oh My Dad, not this again..... :rolleyes:


"In the Gospel of John, the disciple John frequently refers to himself in the third person as "the disciple whom Jesus loved'." 4 For example, during the Last Supper before Jesus' execution, he describes how the "beloved" disciple laid himself on Jesus' inner tunic -- his undergarment. See John 13:25 and 21:20. Robert Goss, assistant professor of comparative religion at Webster University in St. Louis, LA, noted that Jesus and the beloved disciple: "... eat together, side by side. What's being portrayed here is a pederastic relationship between an older man and a younger man. A Greek reader would understand."

It is true that John was a very young man, little more than a child during My time on earth. He reminded Me a lot of My younger half brothers, who relied on Me a lot when My stepdad Joseph died, leaving them to grow up without a father.


Jesus appears to have loved all of his male and female followers in a close, trusting, non-erotic manner. However, the "beloved" disciple appears to be in a special relationship with Jesus; the disciple was "the" beloved. He was in a class by himself.

Misinterpretation, My son. Ye hath read far too much into this.


"Jagannath" interprets the Gospels differently. He argues that Jesus may have been bisexual. He wrote: "In the Book of John a word is used eight times that means 'is in love with' with the implication of sexual intimacy. Five times it is used with reference to Jesus' relationship with John. Once it is used to define Jesus' relationship with Lazarus. And it is also used to describe his relationship with Mary and with her sister Martha."

Thou art implying I was a slut?? For this I sayeth unto you... Had the Son of Man's purpose upon this world been to marry and have a family, I would hath done so. But this was not to be.


During the crucifixion, in John 19:26-28, Jesus is described as seeing his mother and an unidentified man: "the disciple standing by, whom he loved." Jesus probably loved all of his 12 or 70 disciples in a non-sexual manner. But this particular disciple is identified as "the" disciple who Jesus loved. That might indicate a special intimate relationship with one special disciple.

Or maybe I just felt that John would be impacted the hardest by My death and that he and Mom could console each other?


The late Morton Smith, of Columbia University reported in 1958 that he had found a fragment of a manuscript which at the Mar Saba monastery near Jerusalem. It contained the full text of Mark, chapter 10. Apparently the version that is in the Christian Scriptures is an edited version of the original. Additional verses allegedly formed part of the full version of Mark, and were inserted after verse 34. It discusses how a young man, naked but for a linen covering, expressed his love for Jesus and stayed at his place all night. More details.

Since I did not own a home, that would hath been impossible, My son.


"J Richards" suggested that Mark 7:14-16 shows that Jesus approves of homosexual acts. The critical phrase reads: "There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him..." Richards suggests that Jesus gave great emphasis to this teaching, directing it to everyone. Richards suggests that the sentence refers to dietary laws and also extends to "blood transfusions, medication, organ transplants, and artificial insemination" and to homosexual acts.

Thou art really reaching here.... I was referring to the Kosher dietary laws observed by the Jews which come from the handbook of the Levite priesthood. Or the book of Leviticus, as it is now called. Blood transfusions, organ transplants, and artificial insemination were not possible for ye mortals to understand in those times, so it would hath been pointless for Me to discuss such things.


An anonymous webmaster wrote about a revelation that he received during her/his daily prayer and meditation: "Suddenly many aspects of the New Testament made sense. Jesus never married. He preached love, tolerance, and forgiveness of sins. He did not condemn and vilify as his so-called followers do today. He surrounded himself with men whom he loved. The Bible says nothing of Jesus' sexuality, yet we are taught that he was both divine and fully man. Why did he never marry? Why is the New Testament silent about his sexuality? It became so clear when I had the insight that Jesus was probably gay and that He understood hatred and bigotry first-hand."

Here is why I did not marry....

I loved Mary Magdalene very much. Had I been any other man, she would hath been My wife. But verily I say unto you that when ye know that ye shall die at the age of 33 , and that even though ye shalt be resurrected, ye cannot remain with thy family on Earth, is it fair to put a wife and children through that kind of loss? As I hath said, My stepfather Joseph died when I was a young man and many of My brothers and sisters were still children. I saw the pain in their eyes of growing up without their father, as I now see that pain in the eyes of any child in that situation from My throne here in Heaven. Therefore, how could I, the Son of Man, willingly bring children into this world and inflict such pain on them?


Mark 14:51-52 describes the incident when Jesus was arrested by the religious police. It describes how one of Jesus' followers was scantily dressed. The King James Version says he had a linen cloth cast on his naked body; the size and location of the cloth is not defined. The New International Version says that he was "wearing nothing but a linen garment." When the police tried to seize him, they were able to grab only his cloth; the man ran away naked. Reverend Peter Murphy wrote: "We don't know from the sources what really was going on, but we do know that something was very peculiar between Jesus and young men."

The kid was taking a nap. Do ye sleep fully clothed?


Michael Kelly wrote of Jesus' attitude towards a same-sex couple as described in Matthew 8:5-13: and Luke 7:2: "One day a Roman Centurion asked him to heal his dying servant. Scholars of both Scripture and Ancient History tell us that Roman Centurions, who were not permitted to marry while in service, regularly chose a favourite male slave to be their personal assistant and sexual servant. Such liaisons were common in the Graeco-Roman world and it was not unusual for them to deepen into loving partnerships....Jesus offered to go to the servant, but the centurion asked him simply to speak a word of healing, since he was not worthy to welcome this itinerant Jewish teacher under his roof. Jesus responded by healing the servant and proclaiming that even in Israel he had never found faith like this! So, in the one Gospel story where Jesus encountered people sharing what we would call a 'gay relationship,' we see him simply concerned about — and deeply moved by — their faith and love." Kelly implies that Jesus' sensitivity towards the gay couple might have arisen from his own bisexual or homosexual orientation.

I love ALL of My children. The centurion asked Me in faith to heal his servant. The details of his relationship with that servant were not My concern.


Other commentators have noted that Jesus is silent towards homosexuality in the Gospels. Yet, Paul's opinions and those of many other authors in the Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament) are clearly stated. They conclude that Jesus might have been gay himself. Odler Jeanlouie speculated: "Is it meaningful that, in the Sermon on the Mount, central to his teaching, he offered a one-way trip to the Kingdom of God, to anyone who is persecuted?"

Persecution and judgment of others are wrong. Especially those who do so in My name :mad:

Paul was very hateful and prejudiced when he met Me on the road to Damascus. He was killing My disciples for a living. Yet this is the same Paul who later would write 1 Corinthians 13. Do ye not see the difference? The changing of one's heart that comes from knowing Me is not always instant. A lifetime of sin and prejudice taketh a while to unlearn, My son. :)

Switch84
09-27-2004, 01:45 PM
:confused: :D There is no pic! There's just a red 'X'.

Oops, they did it AGAIN!


LMAO!

Mezro
09-27-2004, 02:52 PM
Originally posted by ELVIS
Homosexuality is a mortal sin

According to who? God? Jesus? The Easter Bunny? Paul Bunyan? Or maybe the Catholic priest down the street who likes to put young cock in his mouth.

If you believe in creationism then you better accept that God created straight and gay humans/animals.

Mezro...compassion does not come from a book of fairy tales; it comes from the heart...