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ELVIS
09-28-2004, 01:31 PM
David M. Huntwork (http://sierratimes.com/04/09/26/ar_dhuntwork.htm)

The third anniversary of the deadliest enemy attack on US soil has come and gone and it is important to take stock of what we have learned from that fateful day. The lessons are clear and the enemy is open about its identity, aims and agenda.
The US and its allies are fighting a religious ideology that is every bit as genocidal, evil and apocalyptic in its methods and goals as the National Socialists, fascists or communists of the last century. Much has changed in the last three years and what we have learned is not always pleasant or easily digestible, but the truth has a way of shining through the dark clouds of propaganda, misinformation and purposeful ignorance.

- The “Peace Party”, also affectionately known as the capitulation party, is pathetic and unbelievably shortsighted when it comes to the fight that we face. The various ‘isms’ of the Left have lost all credibility in the “War on Terror”. They have embraced the Chamberlain philosophy of peace at any cost and the ‘blame the victim’ mentality that somehow the US is responsible for Sept. 11th and brought this upon itself. They have focused their hatred on the government and military that is trying to protect them instead of at those who are seeking to kill them. The pathetically ignorant peasants in the streets of New York spent an incredible amount of money and effort to vent their blind rage at George Bush and the Republican Party. Yet where are their drums and slogans, giant puppets and banners when children are slaughtered in Russia, commuters massacred in Madrid, hostages executed in Iraq or Americans obliterated just miles from the scene of their most recent protests? Their lack of outrage at such events reveals the utter hypocrisy of their cause and the shortsightedness of their leaders.

- France was/is better allies with despotic, corrupt, terroristic regimes than with the nation that liberated it from the Nazi boot and protected it for half a century from the horrors of the iron curtain.

- Schroeder, Putin and Chirac are small, corrupt men with little vision and a poor sense of history.

- There are September 10th people and September 11th people. There are two major “progressive” newspapers published in my hometown and neither one will dare delve into the past to address 9-11 except to attack President Bush. They refuse to ever speak about the nature of the enemy or advocate for its defeat. That would be too incompatible with their sadly twisted view of world events.

- All the vitriol heaped upon the militant Islamists as vicious, barbaric, uncaring, brutal baby killers (including by yours truly) is absolutely true and completely justified as the most recent strikes in Russia and Israel attest. If nothing else, pundits and commentators like myself have been too kind in their characterization of those who wage jihad against Western Civilization.

- The “War on Terror” is indeed a world war in every sense of the phrase. Few struggles are as clear cut as this one.

- The U.S. has discovered who has the courage, vision, and stomach to fight and defeat the barbarians at the gate and who does not.

- The unwieldy coalition of nations in the War on Terror is perhaps one of the oddest ever assembled in recorded history. It consists of the idealistic newly liberated countries of Eastern Europe who understand tyranny and oppression, military oligarchies like Pakistan, family fiefdoms like Jordan and Saudi Arabia, and the faithful defenders of the outposts of civilization consisting of Italy, Australia, the United Kingdom and the United States of America. All brought together in a strange concoction of self-preservation and idealism.

- Memories are short in the modern age. Who truly remembers the African embassy bombings, the Khobar Towers attack, the Bali bombings, slain US diplomats, the bloody beheadings, the unending bus bombings in Israel, and the church bombings in Iraq and Pakistan? How long before the Madrid train bombings, the Russian school slaughter and even 9-11 are blurred and buried in the public’s consciousness. The disease of denial is rampant among those who seek only to blame the victims instead of seeing the ugliness and agenda of those who seek their destruction. .

- The United Nations has lived up to its derision as a virtually useless debating society of corrupt thugs, despots and dictators. It has shown no true interest in confronting the evil, genocide, terrorism or civilian slaughter occurring throughout the world.

- The brave and the bold are few and far between in the quest to stamp out the newest manifestation of mans endless ability to inflict unimaginable acts of cruelty on his fellow man.

- It will take another massive terrorist strike on US soil for the populace to once again awaken from its perpetual complacency to support the struggle to engage and eliminate those who seek the utter capitulation, destruction or conversion of the West.

- The age of terror regimes must come to an end. The governments of Iraq, Afghanistan, and, apparently (hopefully), Libya no longer fit that definition. The regimes of Iran, Syria, Sudan and North Korea must be changed or properly contained. Whether this is accomplished by internal reforms or military action, the funding, training, recruiting, and arming of the most dangerous among us by foreign governments must be eliminated. The days of tolerance and appeasement are at an end.

These are just a few of the many lessons we have learned in the last three years. No one wishes for war and all the horrors that go with it, but there are times when it necessary and even desirable. We must take the lessons of the tragedy and treachery of the September 11th attacks and learn from them. There is a worldwide, brutal cult of terror death that seeks our destruction and the annihilation of our children. There is no way to overestimate their brutality or the evil of their agenda. The carnage that the followers of militant Islam perpetrated on September 11th must never be forgotten and every drop of spilled blood must be avenged. The only outcome of this struggle must be complete, total and overwhelming victory. Justice demands it and our continued liberty requires it. There can be no consideration of capitulation or appeasement in the face of such a foe.



"War is an ugly thing but not the ugliest of things; the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feelings which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself." -John Stuart




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FORD
09-28-2004, 02:07 PM
The Sierra Times has been taken over by neocons.... this is a truly sad thing, as they were one of the few right wing extremist sources with occasional credibility :(

ODShowtime
09-28-2004, 02:51 PM
Originally posted by ELVIS
David M. Huntwork (http://sierratimes.com/04/09/26/ar_dhuntwork.htm)

- It will take another massive terrorist strike on US soil for the populace to once again awaken from its perpetual complacency to support the struggle to engage and eliminate those who seek the utter capitulation, destruction or conversion of the West.
:elvis:

This guy sounds like he's excited for another attack. People like this all overlook the reasons why most of the terrorists are pissed in the first place. If you think we should go imperial and start subjugating weak countries, fine.

ELVIS
09-28-2004, 02:58 PM
Ok Mr. Smarty pants
Originally posted by ODShowtime
People like this all overlook the reasons why most of the terrorists are pissed in the first place.

As completely clueless and sympathetic towards the "terrorists" this sounds, please, wise one, tell me why the terrorists are "pissed in the first place"...

alsip
09-28-2004, 03:05 PM
If one had any doubt re. the necessity to combat the war on terror, all one needs to do is go onto the Internet and watch the inhumane beheading of three American hostages. The butchers who committed these heinous crimes do not constitute some fringe group. Rather, they represent a growing proportion of Muslims who HATE anything democratic, American, or Israeli.

Thanks to the strength of President Bush and Prime Minister Sharon, we will ultimately win this war and history will remember the Bush Presidency as favorably it did Reagan - and our policies will be vindicated.

Vote Bush!!!!

FORD
09-28-2004, 03:10 PM
Originally posted by ELVIS
Ok Mr. Smarty pants

As completely clueless and sympathetic towards the "terrorists" this sounds, please, wise one, tell me why the terrorists are "pissed in the first place"...

Maybe because the BCE/CIA has been fucking around in their countries for years changing regimes whenever they want, starting wars, occupying holy lands, etc. All in the name of corporate greed.

ELVIS
09-28-2004, 03:12 PM
Originally posted by alsip
Thanks to the strength of President Bush and Prime Minister Sharon, we will ultimately win this war and history will remember the Bush Presidency as favorably it did Reagan - and our policies will be vindicated.



That is, unless the left accomplishes it's goal of undermining all support for this war, and getting America to back out of the war on terror...

FORD
09-28-2004, 03:18 PM
Originally posted by alsip
If one had any doubt re. the necessity to combat the war on terror, all one needs to do is go onto the Internet and watch the inhumane beheading of three American hostages. The butchers who committed these heinous crimes do not constitute some fringe group. Rather, they represent a growing proportion of Muslims who HATE anything democratic, American, or Israeli.

Thanks to the strength of President Bush and Prime Minister Sharon, we will ultimately win this war and history will remember the Bush Presidency as favorably it did Reagan - and our policies will be vindicated.

Vote Bush!!!!

http://mtss.dnsalias.org/americanstateterrorism/zionazis/zionazigraphics/SatanicSharon.jpg

Hi I'm Ariel Sharon, butcher of Jenin, Sabram, and Shatilla (among others) and I paid for the preceding message ...

FORD
09-28-2004, 03:22 PM
Originally posted by ELVIS
That is, unless the left accomplishes it's goal of undermining all support for this war, and getting America to back out of the war on terror...

Fuck it Greg, it's time to call these Zionifascists out for what they are. Goddamn worthless Nazi pieces of shit. They spit on their own parents and grandparents who died under the jackboots of fascists by imitating their actions.

Let them defend themselves if an Israeli takeover of the entire middle east means that much to them. It's got nothing to do with this country what-so fucking ever and I'm tired of the liars who say it does.

ELVIS
09-28-2004, 03:28 PM
Well, I'm not a big fan of Sharon, although I don't consider him a terrorist, as you do...

I'd like to see Benjamin Netanyahu in control of Israel...

FORD
09-28-2004, 03:30 PM
Originally posted by ELVIS
Well, I'm not a big fan of Sharon, although I don't consider him a terrorist, as you do...

I'd like to see Benjamin Netanyahu in control of Israel...

Netanyahoo might have participated in less direct murders than Sharon, but he's still a Likud Zionifascist.

ODShowtime
09-28-2004, 03:31 PM
Originally posted by FORD
Let them defend themselves if an Israeli takeover of the entire middle east means that much to them. It's got nothing to do with this country what-so fucking ever and I'm tired of the liars who say it does.

That "Israel is the US's only democratic ally in the region and we must protect them" nonsense is nonsense.

ODShowtime
09-28-2004, 03:39 PM
Originally posted by ELVIS
Ok Mr. Smarty pants

As completely clueless and sympathetic towards the "terrorists" this sounds, please, wise one, tell me why the terrorists are "pissed in the first place"...

I know I sound a little cocky about intelligence sometimes, so let me temper that with one of my favorite ancient chinese proverbs:

"the wisest man is the man who knows he knows nothing"

I try to live by that one. The reason I kept coming back here is because all I've learned here.

Now E, here's one example that comes to mind and is relatively obscure:

At one point, we were genuinely engaged with Israel and the Palestinians in a fair manner. We also were trying to be fair to the factions in Lebanon's civil war. But then Reagan had the Navy shell a bunch of Islamist positions near Beirut. That's not equal or fair is it? We never shelled Israel, when they sank one of our ships!

So what happened a little while later? A truck bomb blew up a Marine barracks in Beirut killing over 200 US Marines. It's a little more complicated than that, but you get the drift. Now our soldiers certainly did not deserve that fate, but what were the A-rabs to do? We were helping their enemy.

We've swapped sides to whoever's convenient to OUR LEADERS & THEIR FRIENDS' POCKETBOOKS numerous times through out the last 50 years. They remember that shit. And they're pissed.

Now the Saudi's exporting madrassas and wahhabnism throughout the world and yada yada, yes they are evil too. But the US has done some very evil things over there, mostly while bush&friends were behind the scene and profiting. It's all because we need oil and we won't let it just be. We must control the supplies.

alsip
09-28-2004, 03:41 PM
Ford's inflamatory email is motivated by the most extreme for hatred toward Israel and Jews, in general. I find it strangely curious how Ford carefully avoids any mention of Yassir Arafat and/or Hamas' extensive record of inflicting terrorism, as if (in his pathetic mind) murder of innocent Israeli women and children is justified.

DrMaddVibe
09-28-2004, 03:47 PM
Pretty sad too!

ODShowtime
09-28-2004, 03:49 PM
Originally posted by alsip
Ford's inflamatory email is motivated by the most extreme for hatred toward Israel and Jews, in general. I find it strangely curious how Ford carefully avoids any mention of Yassir Arafat and/or Hamas' extensive record of inflicting terrorism, as if (in his pathetic mind) murder of innocent Israeli women and children is justified.

I've read numerous times where FORD draws the distinction between Judaism and zionism. Any rational person can understand this.

That would be like saying someone hates blacks because they are against the Sudanese Gov't's policies of genocide. Don't start that anti-defamation league bullshit in here.

FORD
09-28-2004, 04:39 PM
Originally posted by alsip
Ford's inflamatory email is motivated by the most extreme for hatred toward Israel and Jews, in general. I find it strangely curious how Ford carefully avoids any mention of Yassir Arafat and/or Hamas' extensive record of inflicting terrorism, as if (in his pathetic mind) murder of innocent Israeli women and children is justified.

No, asslips, you don't get to drag me down that road.

I said the Likud Zionifascists and that's exactly what I meant . They don't represent "Jews" or "Israel" any more than Osama represents Islam or George Bush represents Christianity.

And believe me NONE of the above have SHIT to do with the religious faith whose name they blaspheme. The majority of Jewish people I know are as appalled by Sharon, Likud,and the PNAC'ers as I am. Just as they know that I, as a Christian, am appalled by the likes of Falwell & Robertson. And just like millions of Muslims are appalled by Bin Laden and the fact or fiction of "Al Qaeda".

Find yourself a new place to troll, asslips, because it ain't happening here.

alsip
09-28-2004, 05:02 PM
Ford's derogatory statements and insults reflect his anti-Semitism and scorn for Israelis. With this in mind, his calling me a troll means has no more impact than if some skinhead called me a "dirty jew" - both motivated by hatred, sadly.

FORD
09-28-2004, 07:13 PM
Originally posted by alsip
Ford's derogatory statements and insults reflect his anti-Semitism and scorn for Israelis. With this in mind, his calling me a troll means has no more impact than if some skinhead called me a "dirty jew" - both motivated by hatred, sadly.

Fascists are fascists, asslip. From my perspective, a Jewish fascist is no better or no worse than a Goyim fascist. However, another Jewish person might consider you to be the lowest piece of shit on earth, simply because you support the very policies and tactics which killed 6 million of your own people. I'll leave that up to them.

Shalom to all people of all faiths opposed to this Neofascist bullshit. Destruction to those who excuse it.