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DLR'sCock
10-15-2004, 06:24 PM
http://www.marinetimes.com/story.php?f=1-292925-453911.php



Platoon Defies Orders in Iraq
By Jeremy Hudson
The Clarion-Ledger, Jackson MS

Friday 15 October 2004

Miss. soldier calls home, cites safety concerns.
A 17-member Army Reserve platoon with troops from Jackson, Miss., and around the Southeast deployed to Iraq is under arrest for refusing a “suicide mission” to deliver fuel, the troops’ relatives said Thursday.

The soldiers refused an order on Wednesday to go to Taji, Iraq — north of Baghdad — because their vehicles were considered “deadlined” or extremely unsafe, said Patricia McCook of Jackson, wife of Sgt. Larry O. McCook.

Sgt. McCook, a deputy at the Hinds County, Miss., Detention Center, and the 16 other members of the 343rd Quartermaster Company from Rock Hill, S.C., were read their rights and moved from the military barracks into tents, Patricia McCook said her husband told her during a panicked phone call about 5 a.m. Thursday.

The platoon could be charged with the willful disobeying of orders, punishable by dishonorable discharge, forfeiture of pay and up to five years confinement, said military law expert Mark Stevens, an associate professor of justice studies at Wesleyan College in Rocky Mount, N.C.

On Friday, the Army confirmed that the unit’s actions were under scrutiny.

“The commanding general of the 13th Corps Support Command has appointed the Deputy Commander to lead an investigation into allegations that members of the 343rd Quartermaster Company refused to participate in their assigned convoy mission October 13,” said Lt. Col Steven A. Boylan, a spokesman for U.S. Army and multinational forces in Iraq.

“The investigating team is currently in Tallil taking statements and interviewing those involved. This is an isolated incident and it is far too early in the investigation to speculate as to what happened, why it happened or any action that might be taken,” Boylan said.

“It is important to note that the mission in question was carried out using other soldiers from the unit,” Boylan said.

Boylan also confirmed that the unit is stationed in Tallil, a logistical support air base south of Nasiriyah.

Rep. Bennie Thompson, D-Miss., said he plans to submit a congressional inquiry today on behalf of the Mississippi soldiers to launch an investigation into whether they are being treated improperly.

“I would not want any member of the military to be put in a dangerous situation ill-equipped,” said Thompson, who was contacted by families. “I have had similar complaints from military families about vehicles that weren’t armor-plated, or bullet-proof vests that are outdated. It concerns me because we made over $150 billion in funds available to equip our forces in Iraq.

“President Bush takes the position that the troops are well-armed, but if this situation is true, it calls into question how honest he has been with the country,” Thompson said.

The 343rd is a supply unit whose general mission is to deliver fuel and water. The unit includes three women and 14 men and those with ranking up to sergeant first class.

“I got a call from an officer in another unit early (Thursday) morning who told me that my husband and his platoon had been arrested on a bogus charge because they refused to go on a suicide mission,” said Jackie Butler of Jackson, wife of Sgt. Michael Butler, a 24-year reservist. “When my husband refuses to follow an order, it has to be something major.”

The platoon being held has troops from Alabama, Kentucky, North Carolina, Mississippi and South Carolina, said Teresa Hill of Dothan, Ala., whose daughter Amber McClenny is among those being detained.

McClenny, 21, pleaded for help in a message left on her mother’s answering machine early Thursday morning.

“They are holding us against our will,” McClenny said. “We are now prisoners.”

McClenny told her mother her unit tried to deliver fuel to another base in Iraq Wednesday, but was sent back because the fuel had been contaminated with water. The platoon returned to its base, where it was told to take the fuel to another base, McClenny told her mother.

The platoon is normally escorted by armed Humvees and helicopters, but did not have that support Wednesday, McClenny told her mother.

The convoy trucks the platoon was driving had experienced problems in the past and were not being properly maintained, Hill said her daughter told her.

The situation mirrors other tales of troops being sent on missions without proper equipment.

Aviation regiments have complained of being forced to fly dangerous missions over Iraq with outdated night-vision goggles and old missile-avoidance systems. Stories of troops’ families purchasing body armor because the military didn’t provide them with adequate equipment have been included in recent presidential debates.

Patricia McCook said her husband, a staff sergeant, understands well the severity of disobeying orders. But he did not feel comfortable taking his soldiers on another trip.

“He told me that three of the vehicles they were to use were deadlines ... not safe to go in a hotbed like that,” Patricia McCook said.

Hill said the trucks her daughter’s unit was driving could not top 40 mph.

“They knew there was a 99 percent chance they were going to get ambushed or fired at,” Hill said her daughter told her. “They would have had no way to fight back.”

Kathy Harris of Vicksburg, Miss., is the mother of Aaron Gordon, 20, who is among those being detained. Her primary concern is that she has been told the soldiers have not been provided access to a judge advocate general.

Stevens said if the soldiers are being confined, law requires them to have a hearing before a magistrate within seven days.

Harris said conditions for the platoon have been difficult of late. Her son e-mailed her earlier this week to ask what the penalty would be if he became physical with a commanding officer, she said.

But Nadine Stratford of Rock Hill, S.C., said her godson Colin Durham, 20, has been happy with his time in Iraq. She has not heard from him since the platoon was detained.

“When I talked to him about a month ago, he was fine,” Stratford said. “He said it was like being at home.”

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BITEYOASS
10-15-2004, 07:38 PM
Fuckin idiots! Have they never heard of the chain of command? And if that failed, then there congressman? So that way there CO would be in hot water instead of themselves. To me its best to state why this mission they are doing is not in accordance with its capabilities to the next higher up, that way they can get the weapons they need for this convoy rather than pull this mutiny bullshit. This is about as bad as a marine saying that they are all of a sudden a consciencious objector right before they get off the ship, and now all of the rest of the platoon will have to pull the slack due to his abscence.

BigBadBrian
10-15-2004, 08:07 PM
These people are in deep shit. :gulp:

Sgt Schultz
10-15-2004, 08:11 PM
THey should be arrested and do some itme for this and have a dishonorable discharge. This is horse shit. Plus 1/2 the article talks about how this is Bush's fault. This is a fucking WAR people. Crack open a fucking book and learn some history first. What these guys did was ENDANGER their fellow troops. Assholes.

FORD
10-15-2004, 08:20 PM
Doesn't it say in the UCMJ that you do not have to obey an unlawful order??

Of course, that would apply to this entire fucking shitty excuse for a war.....

ELVIS
10-15-2004, 08:21 PM
Originally posted by BigBadBrian
These people are in deep shit. :gulp:

I hope so...

BITEYOASS
10-15-2004, 08:43 PM
Originally posted by FORD
Doesn't it say in the UCMJ that you do not have to obey an unlawful order??

Of course, that would apply to this entire fucking shitty excuse for a war.....

Who died and made you JAG? When some platoon commander order me to go on a convoy with piddly ass M-16A2's for my protection and that the fuel tanks being transported have no armour protection. I just say: excuse me sir, but we need some armoured fuel tanks, a better protected route, reinforcements, .50 cals and Mk-19s. If the platoon commander doesn't listed, then I just request mast and go before the company commander. So on and so forth.

TongueNGroove
10-15-2004, 09:47 PM
If taking gas to their fellow marines is a "suicide mission" then what about the poor fucks that are already there waiting on the gas?? I would asy it is much more dangerous to live in the middle of hell than it is to make a quick trip in and out.

I can't beleive our millitary has raised such pussys. It all started when Clinton gave the soldiers "Time Out" cards so when they are getting to stressed (Becasue a drill seargant is drilling thier ass) in boot camp they just hold up thier Time Out card and go sit for a while. Such bullshit.

Thanks to these pussys their fellow soldiers are sitting over their in the middle of it all waiting on much needed supplies.

What about those brave soles that stormed the beaches of normandy and had to litteraly crawl over dead bodies to get to the beach?? Talk about suicide mission! Yet those guys did it and they didn't sit around saying how "un-safe" it was.

TongueNGroove
10-16-2004, 12:15 AM
Just heard on CNN that the soldiers refused to delver the fuel because it was contaminated with water...

How true that is I dunno, I really don't trust much of anything that CNN says.

FORD
10-16-2004, 12:09 PM
Posted by Frets5150 in another thread

Reservists Refuse Iraq Mission
Army Probing Up to 19 Members of Supp
WASHINGTON (Oct. 16) - Relatives of soldiers who refused to deliver supplies in Iraq say the troops considered the mission too dangerous, in part because their vehicles were in poor shape.

The Army is investigating up to 19 reservist members of a platoon that is part of the 343rd Quartermaster Company, based in Rock Hill, S.C. The unit delivers food, water and fuel on trucks in combat zones.

Convoys in Iraq are frequently subject to ambushes and roadside bombings.

Some of the troops' safety concerns were being addressed, military officials said. But a coalition spokesman in Baghdad said ''a small number of the soldiers involved chose to express their concerns in an inappropriate manner, causing a temporary breakdown in discipline.''

The coalition said in a statement Saturday that the troops are ''not being guarded or detained. They are being interviewed. They're taking statements.''

But the relatives said they were told the soldiers had been confined.

Teresa Hill of Dothan, Ala., who said her daughter, Amber McClenny, was among in the platoon, received a phone message from her early Thursday morning saying they had been detained by U.S. military authorities.

''This is a real, real, big emergency,'' McClenny said in her message. ''I need you to contact someone. I mean, raise pure hell.''

McClenny said in her message that her platoon had refused to go on a fuel-hauling convoy to Taji, north of Baghdad. ''We had broken down trucks, non-armored vehicles and, um, we were carrying contaminated fuel. They are holding us against our will. We are now prisoners,'' she said.

Hill said she was later contacted by Spc. Tammy Reese in Iraq, who was calling families of the soldiers.

''She told me (Amber) was being held in a tent with armed guards,'' said Hill, who spoke with her daughter Friday afternoon after her release. Her daughter said they are facing punishment ranging from a reprimand to a charge of mutiny.

The incident was first reported Friday by The Clarion-Ledger newspaper in Jackson, Miss. Family members told the newspaper that several platoon members had been confined.

The supply route the soldiers were to have used, is among the most dangerous in Iraq. The military calls it ''Main Supply Route Tampa.'' Many soldiers have been wounded there by roadside bombs and rifle and rocket-prop

A commanding general has ordered the unit to undergo a ''safety-maintenance stand down,'' during which it will conduct no further missions as the unit's vehicles are inspected, the military said.

On Wednesday, 19 members of the platoon did not show up for a scheduled 7 a.m. meeting in Tallil, in southeastern Iraq, to prepare for the fuel convoy's departure a few hours later, the military statement said.

''An initial report indicated that some of the 19 soldiers (not all) refused to participate in the convoy as directed,'' the statement said.

The mission was ultimately carried out by other soldiers from the 343rd, which has at least 120 soldiers, the military said.

Staff Sgt. Christopher Stokes, a 37-year-old chemical engineer from Charlotte, N.C., went to Iraq with the 343rd but had to come home because of an injury. He said reservists were given inferior equipment and tensions in the company had been building since they were deployed in February.

''It wasn't really safe,'' he said. ''The vehicles are not all that up to par anyway. The armor that they have is homemade. It's not really armor. It's like little steel rails.''

A whole unit refusing to go on a mission in a war zone would be a significant breach of military discipline. The military statement said the incident ''isolated'' and called the 343rd an experienced unit that performed honorable service in nine months in Iraq.

U.S. military officials said the commanding general of the 13th Corps Support Command., Brig. Gen. James E. Chambers, had appointed his deputy, Col. Darrell Roll, to investigate. An investigative team under Roll is in Tallil, questioning soldiers about the incident, the military said.

''Preliminary findings indicate that there were several contributing factors that led to the late convoy incident and alleged refusal to participate by some soldiers,'' the military said. ''It would be inappropriate to discuss those factors while the investigation continues.''

Separately, the commander of the 300th Area Support Group, listed on a military Web site as Col. Pamela Adams, has ordered a criminal inquiry to determine if any soldiers committed crimes under the Uniform Code of Military Justice, and, if so, whether disciplinary measures are warranted.

The platoon has troops from Alabama, Kentucky, North Carolina, Mississippi and South Carolina, said Hill.

Seshmeister
10-16-2004, 01:23 PM
A lot of armchair heroes around this board recently...

Big Train
10-16-2004, 01:43 PM
A lot of armchair foreigners too..

ashstralia
10-16-2004, 08:33 PM
Originally posted by Seshmeister
A lot of armchair heroes around this board recently...

my thoughts too.
c'mon guys, it's too easy to be critical
when you're in your comfy house 15000
miles away. maybe if we were there
we might think the concern was justifiable?

BigBadBrian
10-16-2004, 10:12 PM
Originally posted by ashstralia
my thoughts too.
c'mon guys, it's too easy to be critical
when you're in your comfy house 15000
miles away. maybe if we were there
we might think the concern was justifiable?

NO, Not when someone else is relying on you. Off with their heads (figure of speech). :gulp:

jcook11
10-17-2004, 05:29 AM
Look motherfuckers I have a nephew in Iraq.He writes all the time and has told us of many FUCKED UP situations he's been in ... Guess what he VOLUNTEERED to protect this country from all enemys FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC.

jcook11
10-17-2004, 05:33 AM
Anybody think that Normandy or Omaha was a suicide mission?

Big Train
10-17-2004, 05:36 AM
I was thinking that exact thing Cook...these guys lives are depending on that fuel. Tainted fuel is a risk I would be willing to take if I was stuck in the hot zone. I would hope my buddy who I rely on would bring it.

jcook11
10-17-2004, 05:51 AM
Yep.

Seshmeister
10-17-2004, 08:03 AM
Originally posted by jcook11
Anybody think that Normandy or Omaha was a suicide mission?

Green troops were used deliberately because it was thought that experienced soldiers might refuse.

jcook11
10-17-2004, 08:24 AM
I'm glad you are free to post that

Seshmeister
10-17-2004, 02:41 PM
Yup, thank god for Russia...

singerman
10-17-2004, 03:13 PM
im sorry but no-one can pick and choose if they are gonna do a mission or not....how would these cowards feel if they did go ahead with what they were ordered to do and yeah they got into an ambush and they were told "sorry guys,no one fancies coming out to rescue you cos it looks abit too dangerous".....jesus christ....they chose to join the army.....get on with it

jcook11
10-18-2004, 12:30 AM
I wonder what "war hero" Hermans' thoughts are on this?