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lucky wilbury
10-21-2004, 06:51 PM
http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGBLFZJGL0E.html

Israeli Airstrike Kills Top Hamas Military Commander in Gaza

By Ibrahim Barzak Associated Press Writer
Published: Oct 21, 2004

GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip (AP) - An Israeli aircraft fired two missiles at a car traveling in the Gaza Strip late Thursday, killing a senior Hamas commander who was among the government's most-wanted fugitives for years - the latest in a series of Israeli assassinations that have weakened the militant group.

Adnan al-Ghoul, a founder and the No. 2 figure of Hamas' military wing, was killed along with a second unidentified occupant in the car. The airstrike dealt another heavy blow to Hamas' military wing, Izzedine al Qassam, which is responsible for attacks that have killed hundreds of Israelis during four years of fighting.

"It's a new crime committed by the Zionist occupation government against one of the leaders of the Palestinian resistance," Hamas spokesman Musher al-Masri said.

Hamas officials said Al-Ghoul, 46, was a top bomb-maker who masterminded the development of homemade Qassam rockets and anti-tank missiles. Palestinian militants frequently launch the rockets into southern Israel, and Israel recently completed a broad offensive into Gaza aimed at stopping the attacks.

Gaza has experienced an upsurge in violence since Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon announced plans earlier this year to pull out of the volatile area. Both Israel and militants want to claim victory ahead of the withdrawal.

Sharon is planning to present his Gaza withdrawal plan to the Israeli parliament for a vote of approval next week. Aides to the prime minister said Thursday that he has locked up enough support to win that vote, but is deeply concerned about growing fissures within the ruling Likud Party over the plan.

The Israeli airstrike took place north of Gaza City as dozens of people left a nearby mosque following evening prayers. Upon news of al-Ghoul's death, thousands of angry Hamas supporters took to the streets in several refugee camps, calling for revenge and chanting anti-Israel slogans.

Al-Ghoul's killing leaves the Hamas military leadership solely in the hands of Mohammed Deif, its longtime chief. Both men have long topped Israel's wanted list and operated from hiding for years. They both escaped a September 2003 airstrike aimed at a gathering of Hamas leaders in Gaza.

Since then, however, Israel has assassinated a number of top Hamas officials, including the group's spiritual leader, Sheik Ahmed Yassin, and his successor, Abdel Aziz Rantisi, weeks apart earlier this year.

A top Hamas leader based in Damascus, Syria, was killed in a car bombing last month. Israeli officials acknowledged involvement. Most of the Hamas' leaders in Gaza remain in hiding.

The Israeli army issued a statement describing al-Ghoul as a "leading Hamas figure" responsible for the deaths of dozens of Israelis. It said he had produced Qassam rockets, which have killed three people in recent months, masterminded at least two suicide bombings, and developed anti-tank and anti-aircraft weapons.

Palestinian Cabinet minister Saeb Erekat condemned Thursday's killing, which he said "reflects the determination of the Israeli government to continue the path of military solutions rather than negotiations."

Sharon is planning to withdraw from Gaza, where 8,000 Jewish settlers live among 1.3 million Palestinians, next year. He says a continued Israeli presence in the crowded, impoverished Gaza Strip is unrealistic. The plan also includes a pullback from four small West Bank settlements.

While opinion polls show most Israelis support the plan, it has bitterly divided Sharon's hardline government. Jewish settler groups, along with hard-liners in the government, accuse Sharon of caving in to Palestinian violence.

Political analyst Hanan Crystal said Sharon has the support of up to 68 legislators in the 120-member parliament. But he wants to get a larger majority to head off accusations that he is abandoning his traditional hardline supporters.

Just 22 or 23 of 40 Likud legislators plan to vote in favor of the plan, according to Crystal.

Sharon is expected to prevail with the backing of more than two dozen lawmakers from moderate opposition parties.

Aides said Sharon is uncomfortable relying on moderate secular parties. With victory likely in next week's vote, Sharon turned his efforts Thursday to opposition religious parties and his own divided party to shore up support, aides said.

"He does not want to find himself in the situation where the only support will be from parties ol the left of the political spectrum. This is not comfortable for him," the aide said.

The aide said Sharon is using a combination of "carrots and sticks" to persuade Likud lawmakers to back him next week.

In the wrangling over the vote, Sharon and withdrawal opponents competed Thursday for the support of Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, spiritual leader of the religious opposition party Shas.

Sharon hopes to persuade the rabbi, who has been cool to the Gaza plan, to instruct the party's 11 legislators to abstain, instead of voting "no."

Tuesday's vote is only the first of three parliamentary votes on the plan. A victory would give him strong momentum as he pushes forward, although the government could still fall on other issues, including the budget, before the planned withdrawal begins next summer.

In other violence Thursday, an Israeli soldier was killed in an explosion on a patrol road along the border between Gaza and Egypt. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.

Anso, two Palestinians were shot and killed before dawn when soldiers spotted them crawling suspiciously close to an Israeli community located along the Gaza Strip, the army spokesman said. The militant group Islamic Jihad said that the men were militants trying to carry out an attack.

Sgt Schultz
10-21-2004, 07:13 PM
Good news.

BigBadBrian
10-21-2004, 08:20 PM
Originally posted by Sgt Schultz
Good news.

Indeed. :gun:

FORD
10-21-2004, 08:35 PM
One terrorist killing another is good news?

Dr. Love
10-21-2004, 09:50 PM
Any terrorist dying is good news.

FORD
10-21-2004, 11:13 PM
Originally posted by Dr. Love
Any terrorist dying is good news.

The question here is not whether a terrorist (agent of the Israeli Mossad sponsored Hamas) dying is good news, but why the terrorist (Israeli civilian slaughtering IDF asshole) who murdered him is considered a "hero" by the right wingers on this board.

The real "good news" would have been if the IDF terrorist had crashed his plane into Ariel Sharon's office immediately after this airstrike.

Then at least three terrorists would be dead. And that would be much better news.

JCOOK
10-21-2004, 11:21 PM
Hamas such a friendly organization

diamondD
10-21-2004, 11:26 PM
No, I gotta put any agenda that I have to cram down people's throats daily aside and just agree with everyone else that it's a good thing he's dead. I don't care who did it.

Nickdfresh
10-22-2004, 12:38 AM
Yaaaay! Blowed his ass to fuckin' hell. Fuckin' awesomme!!!!

JCOOK
10-22-2004, 01:45 AM
Hamas wouldn't hurt anyone would they ...Ford

FORD
10-22-2004, 09:16 AM
Originally posted by JCOOK
Hamas wouldn't hurt anyone would they ...Ford

Only who Mossad/Likud tell them to.

Sgt Schultz
10-22-2004, 09:49 AM
Originally posted by FORD
The question here is not whether a terrorist (agent of the Israeli Mossad sponsored Hamas) dying is good news, but why the terrorist (Israeli civilian slaughtering IDF asshole) who murdered him is considered a "hero" by the right wingers on this board.

The real "good news" would have been if the IDF terrorist had crashed his plane into Ariel Sharon's office immediately after this airstrike.

Then at least three terrorists would be dead. And that would be much better news.

Get a grip on reality. Also, why is it OK for a democratically elected PM to be assasinated? Because YOU think he's a terrorist? Its delusional attitudes like yours and those of the anti -semite Eurotrash that perpetuate the ongoing violence in Isreal and palestine. If Hamas and Islamic Jihad were $REAL "freedom fighters" they'd only go after military targets and leaders but they don't have the courage to do that - they blow up buses full of civilians. Sharon was voted into office and his country is at war.

FORD
10-22-2004, 02:28 PM
Does Israel only go after military targets?

Does the BCE only go after military targets?

If you answered yes to either question, you are either a liar or a brainwashed sheep.

Sgt Schultz
10-22-2004, 02:30 PM
Originally posted by FORD
Does Israel only go after military targets?

Does the BCE only go after military targets?

If you answered yes to either question, you are either a liar or a brainwashed sheep.

Yes

Yes

FORD
10-22-2004, 02:50 PM
http://home.online.no/~dagoj/jenin-01.jpg
"Legitimate" Israeli military target, Jenin 2002

http://www.welinske.com/child1.jpg
"Legitimate" BCE military target, Iraq 2003

Angel
10-22-2004, 02:52 PM
Originally posted by JCOOK
Hamas such a friendly organization

Actually, there are two sides to Hamas, the "military" side that you all are aware of, and a humanitarian side, which is HURTING big time, because people think they are the military side. So yeah, Hamas IS a friendly organization, depending on which side you're talking about.

Sgt Schultz
10-22-2004, 03:02 PM
Your photos don't support your point in any way. The U.S. and Isreal are not INTENTIONALLY targeting innocent civilians. In fact they take great pains to try to not kill civilians becasue they know that obviously people get upset when it happens.

On the other hand, Islamic Jihad, al Queda, Hamas, etc etc etc all intentionally target unarmed civilians because they don't have the brains or guts to confront our armed services in combat.

Sgt Schultz
10-22-2004, 03:03 PM
Originally posted by Angel
Actually, there are two sides to Hamas, the "military" side that you all are aware of, and a humanitarian side, which is HURTING big time, because people think they are the military side. So yeah, Hamas IS a friendly organization, depending on which side you're talking about.

Hamas is a terrorist organization - period.

Mezro
10-22-2004, 03:10 PM
Originally posted by JCOOK
Hamas such a friendly organization

I always thought hamas was the stuff you put on pita.

Mezro...fuck that whole situation over there...it is not our problem...

YEAHIMROTH!
10-22-2004, 03:13 PM
the thing is , israel is doin to the palestinian swhat hitler did to them in the run up to WW2 , hoarding the palestinians into little slums , which the can barely support themselves in if they can at all. why is isreal not going back to its original 167 borders? because it is greedy and like what hitler did in with austria and cechzlovakia is grabbing all the land it can , and pushing the inhabitants into little pieces of land which it cannot survive on or pushing them into oblivion. can none of u see the parallels with hitler?

YEAHIMROTH!
10-22-2004, 03:17 PM
1967*

YEAHIMROTH!
10-22-2004, 03:21 PM
plus the right wingers in this forums see this world as a big action movie, where america is right and it will win by blowing things up. america is wrong isreal is wrong why do u think the twin towers where blown up? because bin laden felt like it? america has been doin injustices to the world since the vietnam war . were as we see with iraq it went gung ho into another counrty and had to leave because the total mess it made. america has ruined the arab world against it. and if bush gets another 4 years due to small minded ppl , there will be another war and itll probably be with iran where it DOES have nuclear capabilites.

ODShowtime
10-22-2004, 03:25 PM
Originally posted by Sgt Schultz
Your photos don't support your point in any way. The U.S. and Isreal are not INTENTIONALLY targeting innocent civilians. In fact they take great pains to try to not kill civilians becasue they know that obviously people get upset when it happens.

On the other hand, Islamic Jihad, al Queda, Hamas, etc etc etc all intentionally target unarmed civilians because they don't have the brains or guts to confront our armed services in combat.

You have a valid point Schultz, but I don't think those dead babies or their families give flying fuck if we tried not to kill them or not.

Sgt Schultz
10-22-2004, 04:43 PM
Originally posted by YEAHIMROTH!
the thing is , israel is doin to the palestinian swhat hitler did to them in the run up to WW2 , hoarding the palestinians into little slums , which the can barely support themselves in if they can at all. why is isreal not going back to its original 167 borders? because it is greedy and like what hitler did in with austria and cechzlovakia is grabbing all the land it can , and pushing the inhabitants into little pieces of land which it cannot survive on or pushing them into oblivion. can none of u see the parallels with hitler?

Really, is Isreal then systematically murdering all of the Palestinans in these slums and in camps? How many million have they killed? Dude, get your facts straight. Arabs are in slums in the West Bank because of the neglect of Arab nations, not Israel.

There are now, and never were “Palestinans” in the sense that they were a separate group ethnically and religiously. Jews and Arabs lived in an area that was called “Palestine” by the Romans – and it was the British who revived this term after the end of WWI in implementing the League of Nations’ “Balfour Declaration” of 1917 which was the implementation of a National Jewish Home. Zionists started to settle into the area starting in the late 19th century. This also brought more Arabs into the region. Palestine in 1918 encompassed all of present day Israel and Jordan. Under Balfour, the Jews were to settle the entire area – West AND East of the Jordan River.

It was the British government who then instituted in 1922 that Jews could only settle West of the Jordan River and they installed an Arab ruler in Jordan (called Transjordan then). Jews and Arabs both in East and West Palestine all carried the same passports (Palestine Mandate).

After WWII Britain granted Transjordan independence. In ’47 the UN partitioned the area West of the Jordan River into an Arab and Jewish state – and 75% of what was given to the Jews was desert. Even thought the Jews were now prevented from settling in Transjordan and much of the land West of the Jordan River, and what was given to them was mostly desert – the Jewish people said “ok”. Even so all of the Arab member states of the UN – Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Egypt, Lebanon, and Syria voted against it and declared it “invalid”.

When Israel declared independence most of these nations invaded in a “war of extermination” and to “Murder the Jews! Murder them all!" Israel of course won the war.

To get to your point about the “1967 border” in the armistice of 1949 Jordan annexed Judea and Samaria (what is today called “The West Bank”) which was recognized by only two nations in the world – Britain and Pakistan. 720,000 Arabs who were living peacefully with Jews in Isreal were encouraged to flee into the (380,000 into the “West Bank”, 190,000 into the “Gaza Strip” ) because they were assured that in the next war, the Jews would all be killed or pushed out. Those who stayed in Israel became full citizens with full rights – those who fled into other areas and countries were kept in refugee camps.

Between 1948 and 1972 because of increased persecution the following populations fled these Arab countries - 268,000 from Morrocco, 14,000 from Algeria, 56,000 from Tunisia, 35,000 from Libya, 89,000 from Egypt, 6,000 from Lebanan, 4,500 from Syria, 128,000 from Iraq and 50,000 from Yemen and Aden. About 600,000 Jews were welcomed into Israel and integrated into the state, and given full rights of citizenship. In the meantime, the Arabs encouraged to leave Israel were kept in squalid camps by Arab governments.

In 1967 Israel’s enemies readied 527,000 Arabs troops, 985 Arab jets and 3,110 Arab tanks for an all out attack. Israel attacked and beat the Arab forces and also took the “West Bank” the “Gaza Strip” and the “Golan Heights” thus denying these areas to future Arab mobilizations. Israel did not, and should not have gone back to the 1949 Armistice line (which left a distance of only 9 miles between it’s western border and the Mediterranean Sea and all of Israel in artillery range) . Israel had every right to keep control of the West Bank because it was essential to its security. Israel also captured the entire Sinai peninsula from Egypt – which they eventually gave back even though Egypt and Syria invaded Israel again in 1973.





Originally posted by YEAHIMROTH!
plus the right wingers in this forums see this world as a big action movie, where america is right and it will win by blowing things up. america is wrong isreal is wrong why do u think the twin towers where blown up? because bin laden felt like it? america has been doin injustices to the world since the vietnam war . were as we see with iraq it went gung ho into another counrty and had to leave because the total mess it made. america has ruined the arab world against it. and if bush gets another 4 years due to small minded ppl , there will be another war and itll probably be with iran where it DOES have nuclear capabilites.

Wrong again on all accounts. The United States in no way deserved to be attacked by 19 brainwashed Islamofascists. 9/11 didn’t happen because America does “injustice” to the Arab countries of the world – it is exactly the opposite – America has helped, to the tune of billions and billions of dollars in aid – both food and otherwise – to Arab nations and in return America has received zilch. Bullshit sir, bullshit. The problems of Arabs are of their own doing and in the coercion of the populations of the Arab and Muslim world by their own dictators and religious fanatics.

America IS responsible for liberating 56 MILLION ARABS /MUSLIMS in Kuwait, Iraq and Afghanistan. And assholes like you say the United States is THE PROBLEM??

FORD
10-22-2004, 04:51 PM
Anyone who thinks Israel can do no wrong should fucking move there. I'm tired of hearing apologists for a fucking fascist murdering pig like Sharon.

Warham
10-22-2004, 04:56 PM
Perhaps Arafat and Sharon could engage in a pistol duel at ten paces.

Sgt Schultz
10-22-2004, 05:00 PM
Originally posted by FORD
Anyone who thinks Israel can do no wrong should fucking move there. I'm tired of hearing apologists for a fucking fascist murdering pig like Sharon.

That's a brilliant response.

You've heard no "apology" from me for Israel's actions because they have nothing to apologize for.

Sharon won in a landslide victory over Barak. Sharon is the PM because Israel voted him there.

Sgt Schultz
10-22-2004, 05:01 PM
Originally posted by Warham
Perhaps Arafat and Sharon could engage in a pistol duel at ten paces.

Sharon would do it, Arafat would hide behind a skirt.

FORD
10-22-2004, 05:07 PM
Originally posted by Warham
Perhaps Arafat and Sharon could engage in a pistol duel at ten paces.

As long as I get to shoot the winner.

Warham
10-22-2004, 05:11 PM
Originally posted by FORD
As long as I get to shoot the winner.

FORD,

I thought you were a pacifist.

I'm disappointed.

:D

FORD
10-22-2004, 05:28 PM
Originally posted by Warham
FORD,

I thought you were a pacifist.

I'm disappointed.

:D

I never said I was a pacifist.

I believe in defending the United States of America from legitimate threats.

But aside from Soviet nuclear missiles, I've never seen such a thing in my lifetime.

The biggest threat to this country right now - indirectly of course - are the Likud Zionifascists. Because it is THEY who control PNAC and the BCE pentagon. It is they who control Hamas, and it is they who had far more technical and operational capability of pulling off an impeccably timed military operation such as 9-11-01 than some old camel jockey in a cave.

It's time to stop covering for these FUCKING PIECES OF SHIT and shut them down. Not just out ouf our government, but out of every nation in the world, including Israel.

And before anyone misquotes me, and they will, I am NOT referring to "the Jews". The Jews are (with notable exceptions) decent people who deserve to live in peace just as we do and as the Palestinians also do.

But the Likud Zionifascists deserve no mercy.

FUCK EM!

Warham
10-22-2004, 05:31 PM
I think you are underestimating bin Laden by calling him a cave man.

He's probably very intelligent.

FORD
10-22-2004, 05:43 PM
Originally posted by Warham
I think you are underestimating bin Laden by calling him a cave man.

He's probably very intelligent.

I'm sure he is. I'm also sure that he's been very well trained by the CIA at US taxpayers expense. But the fact remains that he was either in a Dubai hospital or an Afghanistan cave on the morning of 9-11-01, and in either case not exactly able to be in charge of such a complex operation. This thing reaked of black ops, and it even involved our own government. That fact is indisputable - only the degree of cooperation is negotiable.