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worldbefree
10-28-2004, 04:12 PM
100,000 dead Iraqi civilian's is better than one American dieing on US soil. God Bless GW for all he's done for our country.


Study: 100,000 Excess Civilian Iraqi Deaths Since War

By Patricia Reaney

LONDON (Reuters) - Tens of thousands of Iraqis have been killed in violence since the U.S.-led invasion last year, American public health experts have calculated in a report that estimates there were 100,000 "excess deaths" in 18 months.


The rise in the death rate was mainly due to violence and much of it was caused by U.S. air strikes on towns and cities.


"Making conservative assumptions, we think that about 100,000 excess deaths, or more have happened since the 2003 invasion of Iraq (news - web sites)," said Les Roberts of the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health in a report published online by The Lancet medical journal.


"The use of air power in areas with lots of civilians appears to be killing a lot of women and children," Roberts told Reuters.


The report came just days before the U.S. presidential election in which the Iraq war has been a major issue.


Mortality was already high in Iraq before the war because of United Nations (news - web sites) sanctions blocking food and medical imports but the researchers described what they found as shocking.


The new figures are based on surveys done by the researchers in Iraq in September 2004. They compared Iraqi deaths during 14.6 months before the invasion in March 2003 and the 17.8 months after it by conducting household surveys in randomly selected neighborhoods.


Previous estimates based on think tank and media sources put the Iraqi civilian death toll at up to 16,053 and military fatalities as high as 6,370.


By comparison about 849 U.S. military were killed in combat or attacks and another 258 died in accidents or incidents not related to fighting, according to the Pentagon (news - web sites).


VERY BAD FOR IRAQI CIVILIANS


The researchers blamed air strikes for many of the deaths.


"What we have evidence of is the use of air power in populated urban areas and the bad consequences of it," Roberts said.


Gilbert Burnham, who collaborated on the research, said U.S. military action in Iraq was "very bad for Iraqi civilians."


"We were not expecting the level of deaths from violence that we found in this study and we hope this will lead to some serious discussions of how military and political aims can be achieved in a way that is not so detrimental to civilians populations," he told Reuters in an interview.


The researchers did 33 cluster surveys of 30 households each, recording the date, circumstances and cause of deaths.


They found that the risk of death from violence in the period after the invasion was 58 times higher than before the war.


Before the war the major causes of death were heart attacks, chronic disorders and accidents. That changed after the war.


Two-thirds of violent deaths in the study were reported in Falluja, the insurgent held city 50 km (32 miles) west of Baghdad which had been repeatedly hit by U.S. air strikes.

"Our results need further verification and should lead to changes to reduce non-combatant deaths from air strikes," Roberts added in the study.

Richard Horton, editor of The Lancet, said the research which was submitted to the journal earlier this month had been peer-reviewed, edited and fast-tracked for publication because of its importance in the evolving security situation in Iraq.

"But these findings also raise questions for those far removed from Iraq -- in the governments of the countries responsible for launching a pre-emptive war," Horton said in an editorial.


http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=578&u=/nm/20041028/ts_nm/iraq_deaths_dc&printer=1

Big Train
10-28-2004, 04:28 PM
I have a LOT of doubts about this from just reading the article, that would need further questions responded to.

First, 100k? From just precision airstrikes? That number would be more reasonable if we were talking carpet bombs.

Secondly, it's a war zone. There is violence in the streets, car bombs, iraquis killing iraquis...you can blame that on the war perhaps, but not on airstrikes. Even figuring that in , 100k sounds a bit high.

Thirdly, if you were to figure in 12 years of sanctions, which the article does, then you are talking about institutional affects of policies that should be blamed on Clinton more than Bush.

Sgt Schultz
10-28-2004, 05:17 PM
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DLR'sCock
10-28-2004, 05:45 PM
Good job Boys For Bush, you have killed and murdered 100,000 people, and since 50% of the country is 17 and younger, you have statistically murdered 50,000 children....



sleep well, wait I know you will, becuase you people don't give a fucking shit about these people gettign killed...

Sgt Schultz
10-28-2004, 07:35 PM
Originally posted by DLR'sCock
Good job Boys For Bush, you have killed and murdered 100,000 people, and since 50% of the country is 17 and younger, you have statistically murdered 50,000 children....

sleep well, wait I know you will, becuase you people don't give a fucking shit about these people gettign killed...

Well which is it? Have we killed them or murdered them make up your mind.

Yawn... time for a nice long slumber..............

Big Train
10-28-2004, 07:39 PM
Good job Cock,

Sucking down the propaganda whole, no questions asked.

Guitar Shark
10-28-2004, 07:44 PM
Originally posted by Big Train
Good job Cock,

Sucking down the propaganda whole, no questions asked.

Well, he is a cock, so he should know all about sucking. ;)