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Big Train
10-29-2004, 04:40 PM
http://www.cedarvalleydailytimes.com/articles/2004/10/29/news/news01.txt

VINTON - Iowa Sen. Tom Harkin says John Kerry has been gaining in the polls every day since Oct. 21, and George Bush has been going down every day.

"That's how God wants it to be," Harkin told a group of about 25 people at the Benton County Headquarters in Vinton on Thursday afternoon.
Harkin was touring the state to stump for Kerry and Democratic legislative candidates. He appeared in Benton County on behalf of Mt. Auburn Mayor Dawn Pettengill, who is running against incumbent Republican Dell Hanson for the Iowa House District 39 seat.

Harkin spent the first part of his speech echoing many of the campaign themes of the economy and Iraq sounded by Kerry in his presidential campaign.

Harkin predicted victory for Kerry on Tuesday, saying that the polls that show Bush and Kerry in a tight race do not include the many new Democrats who have recently registered to vote.

(Most polls only use input from likely voters, which mean those who have voted in previous elections.)


Harkin said that in Iowa, 50,000 new voters registered as Democrats recently, but only 20,000 registered as Independents and even fewer - 9,400 - registered as Republicans.

After encouraging the party faithful to get out the vote for Kerry, Harkin turned his attention to the Iowa Legislature, which he called an "albatross around the neck" of Gov. Tom Vilsack, whom he referred to as the "best governor in the United States."

"This is the worst legislature I've seen since the 1950s," Harkin said.

Harkin didn't remember the name of Pettengill's opponent, but told the group, "he has to go."

Harkin introduced Pettengill, who used her speech to respond to Republican mailings and television ads blaming her for a tax increase in Mt. Auburn by saying the city council was forced to increase taxes because of budget decisions made by Hanson and other Republicans in the legislature.

Viking
10-29-2004, 06:37 PM
Jesus. I thought Harkin was in 'the home' by now, dribbling oatmeal down the front of his jammies.

NURSE! QUICK! SOMEONE LEFT THE FRONT DOOR OPEN! :D

Wayne L.
10-31-2004, 11:03 AM
The religious left is out of their minds more so than the religious right is accused of being most of the time with Jesse Jackson being their poster boy & publicity pimp.

Seshmeister
10-31-2004, 12:49 PM
It's bizarre that you're not thought suitable for election unless you are or pretend to be, superstitious...

ELVIS
10-31-2004, 01:02 PM
Referring to faith as "superstition" is appalling...


:elvis:

FORD
10-31-2004, 02:19 PM
For once, I agree with Elvis.

I don't consider anybody's sincere beliefs to be superstitions.

Now their attempts to tie them to politics, that's another story. I'm hearing reports from churches all over the country today that the preachers are implying that "God wants you to vote Republican".

That is completely sickening :mad:

ELVIS
10-31-2004, 03:28 PM
Our pastor did say today that God is definately pro-life...;)

Switch84
10-31-2004, 03:53 PM
Originally posted by Wayne L.
The religious left is out of their minds more so than the religious right is accused of being most of the time with Jesse Jackson being their poster boy & publicity pimp.


:D LOL, "publicity pimp"! That's the best description of "Reverend" Jackson I've heard in a long time!

FORD
10-31-2004, 04:18 PM
Originally posted by ELVIS
Our pastor did say today that God is definately pro-life...;)

So then He wouldn't be too crazy about the needless slaughter of 100,000 Iraqi civilians, right? :(

Cathedral
10-31-2004, 04:43 PM
Nor the Millions of babies that have been yanked from wombs over the last few decades, eh Ford?

You got no problem voting people into office that support that so called "Pro-Choice" bullshit, but you want to bitch about delivering democracy to a mid-eastern nation?

For one, there is NO COMPARISON, in the two issues.
But, How long have we been in Iraq, compared to how long you have supported the daily extermination of newborn life?

Thank You, but you are too ignorant to have a discussion about morality and mortality if you think that one life is more important than another. that is selective thinking and better suited for a serial killer.

Whatever dude, talk about a screwed up priority list.
You wanna save lives, help end legalized abortion, then i'm all ears about your opinion on Innocent Iraqi's.

FORD
10-31-2004, 04:48 PM
Ending "legalized" abortion will not end abortion. Ending unwanted pregnancies will end abortion.

How do you do that?

Education

Birth Control

Getting rid of fucked up attittudes which lead to rape and incest.

And honestly, I'm not going to say that a 12 week old fetus is more important than 50,000 children in Iraq. That's simply insane.

Cathedral
10-31-2004, 05:05 PM
Sounds great in a Socialist Society where nobody has to take responsibility for their actions.
I was educated on the nature of sex, a lot of people learned the same thing i did..."Be Responsible".
That was in the 70's, bro, so guess what?

YOU'R IDEA FAILED BECAUSE IT'S STILL AN ISSUE TODAY!

How did it fail?
Why this thing called Roe vs. Wade turned nature on it's head. Girls no longer had to "have" the babies they were creating by sleeping around. It was a get out of Mother-hood free card handed to society.

And you have the nerve to even speak to anyone about who's dying in Iraq?
Your mind is a s warped as your politics, bro.

Seshmeister
10-31-2004, 05:35 PM
Originally posted by ELVIS
Referring to faith as "superstition" is appalling...


:elvis:

What's the difference?

superstition
An irrational belief that an object, action, or circumstance not logically related to a course of events influences its outcome.
A belief, practice, or rite irrationally maintained by ignorance of the laws of nature or by faith in magic or chance.
A fearful or abject state of mind resulting from such ignorance or irrationality.
Idolatry.

There is no empirical proof of God and 99% of people end up with a religion based on where they were born or what their parents passed on.

Faith is just an excuse for irrationality.

Cheers!

:gulp:

conmee
10-31-2004, 05:43 PM
I find Sesh's argument tempting... lol...

Seig Oil!!!

Icon.

:funk:

FORD
10-31-2004, 06:06 PM
Originally posted by conmee
I find Sesh's argument tempting... lol...



Won't they kick you out of the Priesthood for saying something like that? ;)

Nickdfresh
10-31-2004, 06:19 PM
Originally posted by ELVIS
Our pastor did say today that God is definately pro-life...;)

Yes, but most human beings that think of themselves as prolife (or prochoice for that matter) are callously indifferent to the suffering of their fellow man. The fundamental question here is how can any man claim to speak for the will of God when that man selectively rationalizes the breaking of the Ten Commandments. By the way, the statement is rhetorical and not directed personally at anyone.:confused:

ELVIS
10-31-2004, 06:55 PM
I don't rationalize breaking any of the commandments...

Give me an example...

FORD
10-31-2004, 07:02 PM
Originally posted by ELVIS
I don't rationalize breaking any of the commandments...

Give me an example...

I believe he was referring to Junior, who has broken at least 9 of them.

fanofdave
10-31-2004, 07:11 PM
"....the needless slaughter of 100,000's of civilian Iraqis.." FORD?

that number is way too few. saddam killed MANY more than that.
good thing we took his sorry ass out of power. thanks for bringing
that up.

Seshmeister
10-31-2004, 07:46 PM
The rule now is that to be a good christian you need to keep your killing to less than 250 000?

Viking
10-31-2004, 07:58 PM
The one thing that pisses me off about the Religious Right: the fuckin' Baptists. They're the Taliban of Western Religion. Do you realize that the Sunday blue laws in the South are so bad you can't even buy a six pack of NON-ALCOHOLIC BEER?!? Georgia has a referendum on the ballot to get rid of that shit. I'm talking Old Mil N/A here. Man, I miss Virginia more and more every day.

Nickdfresh
10-31-2004, 08:02 PM
Originally posted by fanofdave
"....the needless slaughter of 100,000's of civilian Iraqis.." FORD?

that number is way too few. saddam killed MANY more than that.
good thing we took his sorry ass out of power. thanks for bringing
that up.
How is killing 100,000 people "too few?" Are you advocating firing up gas chambers for our enemies and rationalizing their slaughter by a senseless camparison to the numbers killed by a tin-pot dictator?

By the way, we really didn't have a problem with Saddam and the people he killed until he sent his tanks on our Kuwaiti turf.

And many of the people Saddam killed killed were waiting for Bush Senior to send troops to help them after his call for them to overthrow Saddam in 1991.

Nickdfresh
10-31-2004, 08:13 PM
Originally posted by ELVIS
I don't rationalize breaking any of the commandments...

Give me an example...

I was referring to Junior and those other Republicans that could give a shit about abortion and only use the issue to pander to the religious right.

And I've heard the God is on our side rhetoric before. It sounds a little empty in the perspective of the events from 1914 to present. It seemed a little too convientient for otherwise God fearing people to so easily dispose of the "Thou shalt not kill."

ELVIS
10-31-2004, 09:18 PM
I hear you...

I dunno man...