The Darkness-for or against?

[Shaun Ponsonby]

I'm interested to know-The Darkness have split the British public in half. It seems that, here, most of the people who don't like it-just don't get it. Personally, I can't wait for their new album or the Manchester show in December. What do you guys think?

HERE'S WHAT I THINK
The Darkness are a much needed breath of fresh-air, compared to the rest of todays music scene which is full of boybands and hip-hop. Sure, they are a combined rip-off of Van Halen, Queen and AC/DC (and they should certainly give AC/DC some royalties for 'Black Shuck')-but I'd rather hear a VH/AC/DC/Queen rip-off than a boyband or rapper.

[Mr Badguy]

We`ve had this arguement before in here.

Personally, I think they`ve got a shit hot publicist who has got a lot of influence in magazines and TV and an excellent booking agent who set them up with great tours.

Apart from that, I think their music is way over hyped.

I have heard their album and didn`t get excited about any of it.

I can understand why younger music fans will like it, because they haven`t had anything of their own like that before.

Older guys like me have seen it all before.

In fact, I`ve seen a lot more British bands who were, in my opinion, better prospects fall by the wayside through lack of support by their record companies which makes The Darkness` success all the harder to take.

The combined AC/DC/Queen/Van Halen thing you refer to is also questionable.

Again they`ve used bits and pieces of those bands gimmicks to sell their music to people that don`t remeber the originals doing them.

And a christmas single would never get a serious rock band any credibilty.

I always respect peoples rights to like whatever music they want but The Darkness` bubble will burst come their next album as I think it will be a rehash of their first album and people will get sick of it.

[diamondsgirl]

I don't like them and get pissed off when anyone compares that singer to Dave.

[Marlowe01]

I think they're great and can't wait for a new album they aren't really anything new, musically.

[Mezro]

For - the music industry needs a good shot of humor.

Mezro...I can't see them having longevity though...

[Vivian Campbell]

In a music seen that is full of whiner bands who drone on endlessly, I think its damn awesome that we have a band bringing rock back to its roots - chicks and fun. This is the Counter-Revolution against the Cobain followers. These guys pack a powerful a punch. While they aren’t Eddie Van Halen, Justin and his brother offer some great riffs and solos.

I would never compare him to Dave, but I think it’s cool that Justin have been inspired by the Diamond One. These guys respect the classic stuff and want to bring it back to popularity. God Bless ‘em for it.

The next album will be absolutely huge. I haven’t been this jacked for a new album in a while.

[BrownSound1]

The singer's voice irritates me to no end...especially when he does that Tiny Tim thing. However, aside from that they're just a straight ahead rock band.

[Lou]

Looking forward to them....falling off the face of the earth for good.

[Dan]

Yes they Rock,but they get too much air play on the radio.
Change the fucking record guys 99 Fm.

[VHII]

im looking to see if their next album will top the last, i thought it was great and i cant wait. they are picking up where some great bands left off, and imagine them opening or sharing a bill with a great band, thatd definitly complete a show

[tobinentinc]

I'm a darkness fan, maybe cause I'm young or w/e, but they kick ass. They have that fuck you attitude of VH, DLR, GNR, Zeppelin, ect. Like some people just said, they are against the whinny alternative bullshit and it's refreshing.

[JacktheRipper]

i never heard the darkness on any of my local radio stations. so i cant see these guys as overplayed, but i'm still in the small of my school as a person who loves this fucking band. most people i hear compare dave to justin dont know what their talking about in the first place. But i listened to the whole album about one a week, only one bad song, that love on the rocks, it sounds to much like a creed song or something. they're great bcause they dont sound like the new stuff, but with the singer, they have a love/hate relationship with most people

[VHII]

its kicks the shit of this emo hype shit, i hate emo

[Panamark]

Originally posted by Brownsound1
The singer's voice irritates me to no end...especially when he does that Tiny Tim thing. However, aside from that they're just a straight ahead rock band.

Pretty much what I was going to post..
I cant stand the falsetto crap that dude does, but I do like
some of the riffs they are coming up with....
Actually I would like to hear Hawkins sing in a normal
register, I think he can. Drop the falsetto/Tiny Tim
gimmick. They have potential

Their attitude is refreshing for sure !

Kinda reminds me of a band we all knew and loved..

[Coyote]

Originally posted by Vivian Campbell
In a music seen that is full of whiner bands who drone on endlessly, I think its damn awesome that we have a band bringing rock back to its roots - chicks and fun. This is the Counter-Revolution against the Cobain followers. These guys pack a powerful a punch. While they aren’t Eddie Van Halen, Justin and his brother offer some great riffs and solos.

I would never compare him to Dave, but I think it’s cool that Justin have been inspired by the Diamond One. These guys respect the classic stuff and want to bring it back to popularity. God Bless ‘em for it.

The next album will be absolutely huge. I haven’t been this jacked for a new album in a while.

Exactly.

[scottydabodi]

Darkness... yeah it's better than the fuckin' whiner-rock crap that's out there, but they still suck. The singer just can't fuckin' sing... Right on about that Tiny Tim crap, bring on Halford, MOTHERFUCKER!!

[DLRDUDE]

They suck! That's what you have to say around here to fit in. Hell if you don't worship the ground that these DLR wannabes walk on your opinion doesn't count. Am I pissing you off well too bad. Motley Crue and Ratt rule. Dave will always be the best but you guys and gals just can't accept change. If YOU don't like what I'M saying then don't read the post BRRAAAAWWWWHAHAHAHA! And by the way If you don't like it then F$%^ you. Ya'll need to curb your language around here.

[Sarge's Little Helper]

They suck! That's what you have to say around here to fit in. Hell if you don't worship the ground that these DLR wannabes walk on your opinion doesn't count. Am I pissing you off well too bad. Motley Crue and Ratt rule. Dave will always be the best but you guys and gals just can't accept change. If YOU don't like what I'M saying then don't read the post BRRAAAAWWWWHAHAHAHA! And by the way If you don't like it then F$%^ you. Ya'll need to curb your language around here.

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[rustoffa]

I'm for The Darkness the band.

I'm against the darkness the visual condition when I'm trying to find the candles during a power outtage.

[Chris]

The playin' aint bad, but the singer makes them seem like a bit of a joke.

[DLRDUDE]

Warning! What Nazi outfit is running this joint? Guys I was just funnin trying to razz you a bit and see if you were really serious about your me for me attitude and if you don't like it get the $%^& out. But that's cool I see there is a an obvious regular on here who is the moderator who will flag me and why? You guys are dropping the "F" bomb left and right and I disagree with something and I get slammed. That is SO funny. UGH this is the David Lee Roth Forums. We do what we want. :)

[VHII]

the darkness stick out from the rest of the junk thats coming out today, and thats good

[badhorsie]

Maybe if they sounded original or had a good singer i'd give them another chance.

[Shaun Ponsonby]

Originally posted by DLRDUDE
And by the way If you don't like it then F$%^ you.

Originally posted by DLRDUDE
if you don't like it get the $%^& out

You do rea;ise that you CAN say fuck. You won't get tortured by some Nazi piece of shit for saying it.

[Panamark]

You can say cunt too !! :)

[Shaun Ponsonby]

Yeah-that's why this site kicks more ass than a guy who gets hired by the world's most successful gangster to go round and kick the ass of the people who owe him money.

[BITEYOASS]

Hey, it's either the Darkness or more of them depressing emo-bands like Coldplay! I'd rather hear a guy dressed on pink singing falsetto in a real rock band than some wanker singing about how his mum beat the crap out of him, and yet the bastard is still sad even though he has made a million dollars! GIVE ME A FUCKIN BREAK!!!!

[Shaun Ponsonby]

Yeah-it's better to have fun than it is to be depressed

[VHII]

they have the rock n roll element

[Mr Badguy]

The second album is always the key album.

You`ve got your whole life (and by the looks of The Darkness, it`s been a long one) to write your first album.

There`s more pressure to come up with a second which is just as good but has something slightly different to keep everyones interest.

From what I`ve heard the new songs they played at the Reading Festival sucked.

If they keep up the comedy AC/DC routine, then I think they will bomb big time.

[Shaun Ponsonby]

Originally posted by Mr Badguy
The second album is always the key album.


I've always thought the 3rd album is the most important. The first is the one you write your whole life-if the first is a success-the second is guranteed to be a success. But, the third album then has to be one of your best. It shows your staying power.

[Mr Badguy]

Originally posted by Shaun Ponsonby
I've always thought the 3rd album is the most important. The first is the one you write your whole life-if the first is a success-the second is guranteed to be a success. But, the third album then has to be one of your best. It shows your staying power.

I dunno about that.

Think back ten years to the Quireboys.

Another potentialy great British band although they were trading very much on past bands trademarks, much like The Darkness.

Their first album "A bit of what you fancy" was brilliant, their follow up "Bitter sweet and twisted" sucked.

End of career.

Even Thunder, another great British band with loads of potential, followed their classic debut "Back steet symphony" with "Laughing on judgement day", an album just as good.

However, the public had heard it all before and they never got any bigger.

I don`t know if The Darkness over-exposure in Britain will backfire on them, leaving the public bored with the whole thing.

It has happened to bigger bands.

Think of Kiss.

[Shaun Ponsonby]

So, The Quireboys' (who actually supported Dave earlier this year. Also UFO and currently supporting Whitesnake and had a feature dedicated to them in Classic Rock. They're actually a good laugh live) 3rd album (in the mid-90's) WASN'T a success (they have a new album-their 4th- 'Well Oiled'). So, they didn't have staying power. Can't really comment on Thunder-I've never been able to call myself a fan-but THEY didn't have staying power (actually playing with DEEP PURPLE and PETER FRAMPTON on a UK-arena tour as we speak). And Kiss were always shite anyway-they can bearly play their instuments. One or two good tracks-but they were all image. I say that they NEEDED the make-up. Without it, it never would have happened. In fact, the worst thing Kiss ever did was take their make-up off. They looked even more cringing without it. And besides that's just a theory. It's like when they make a movie sequal. It ain't gonna be as big as the first-but it's gonna be big-ish. Think of these bands;
MOTORHEAD-No Sleep.../No. 1 album. Next album 'Iron Fist'. Worst album they've done-reached no. 4 in the charts, same as 1980's Ace Of Spades.
MEAT LOAF- 'Bat Out Of Hell'-sold over 30 million/'Bat Out Of Hell 2:Back Into Hell' sold 10 million.
AC/DC-'Back In Black' has sold 43 million/'For Those About To Rock' sold over 10 million.
YES-'90125' sold 8 million/ 'Big Generator' has one of the most played singles in American AOR history ('Rhythm Of Love')

They are not AS successful-but they are certainly not failures. And I know these are not albums 1-3, but trhe point is, people tend to go by previous reputation. Incidently, The Quireboy's first was more than 10 years ago-I mean, they formed in 1985.

[Mr Badguy]

Yeah, but, chances are, if your second album bombs big time you might not get to make a third.

There are a load of bands who made classic debuts (and I don`t include The Darkness) who never lived up to the first albums success.

Think of Montrose, classic first album (yes, I know Hagar sings on it), constantly regarded as one of the greatest rock LPs but nothing more than a footnote in rock history.

I don`t think you can mention "Back in black" and "For those about to rock..." as AC/DC were already an internationally established act by 1980.

And as for "90125", it would be interesting to see if that album would have sold as many copies if the band weas called Cinema, as originally intended, instead of Yes, which was instigated by the recruitment of Jon Anderson.

[Shaun Ponsonby]

Fair point about 90125-but it was the new Yes sound which contributed more than anything. Maybe the first few thousand were bought be older Yes fans-but the sound is too different for many of the-hards to appreciate. Most of the people who bought 90125 were American kids. When they would go to the show, and the band would play 'And You An I' or 'Ritual' or something, most of them would think 'What the hell is this'. Saying that, they probably would have heard 'Roundabout'-everybody else had.Check the 9012live video-and you'll see what I mean.

As for AC/DC-yes, they were established, but they were still playing theatres (see 'Let There Be Rock' video, recorded on the tour before Back In Black-Highway To Hell). It's a big jump to go from 4 or 5 million to 43 million.

And Montrose may have done more if Spammy didn't leave. Which, less face it, would have been great for everybody-because then we wouldn't have Van Hagar.

And if somebody had a huge debut- then if the record company drops them after the second bombs, then all the band has to do is blame it on the record company (not enough promotion etc), and someone will pick them up in the end-and they will make a 3rd album.

[jackassrock]

Originally posted by scottydabodi
Darkness... yeah it's better than the fuckin' whiner-rock crap that's out there, but they still suck. The singer just can't fuckin' sing... Right on about that Tiny Tim crap, bring on Halford, MOTHERFUCKER!!

Bravo !!!!!!!!

[secrets]

The Darkness are a bit of a piss take really. They have to be with those vocals. I don't dislike them but they are hard to take seriously. They just seem to be making a parody of classic 70s rock groups.

[Mr Badguy]

Originally posted by Shaun Ponsonby As for AC/DC-yes, they were established, but they were still playing theatres (see 'Let There Be Rock' video, recorded on the tour before Back In Black-Highway To Hell). It's a big jump to go from 4 or 5 million to 43 million. [/B]

Are you sure "Back in black" has sold 43 million.

That seems an a very high number.

I thought it was more like 15 million or something.

[Shaun Ponsonby]

Originally posted by Mr Badguy
Are you sure "Back in black" has sold 43 million.

That seems an a very high number.

I thought it was more like 15 million or something.

It's the 3rd biggest selling album ever. Check the sleevenotes of the recent re-issue.

Have you noticed that you and I spend a lot of time arguing?

[Mr Badguy]

Originally posted by Shaun Ponsonby
It's the 3rd biggest selling album ever. Check the sleevenotes of the recent re-issue.

Have you noticed that you and I spend a lot of time arguing?

Don`t worry about it, dude.

If we all agreed about everything then there wouldn`t be much to talk about.

It would be like "Do you like The Darkness?"

Answer: "Yes, I love them".

End of conversation.

If you think this is argueing, you should try DLR7884.

He loves a good debate.

[Shaun Ponsonby]

It's OK-I love arguing. To be a good arguer, you have to be one of 2 things;

1) Quick-witted
2) A woman.

[Shaun Ponsonby]

Does anybody else think that we've kinda lost the plot here? I can't even remember what we talkin about in the first place.

Well, whatever it was-let's get back to it.

[rustoffa]

http://img124.exs.cx/img124/6177/Justin.jpg

[VHII]

thats a cool guitar, i like the darkness, they bring humor to the rock scene which is something Rock n Roll has been lacking for awhile, its not okay to smile anymore cause of idiots like limp bizkit and Korn, that crap ruined everything

[Shaun Ponsonby]

VH11 gets 5 stars for his excellent point.

[Halen High]

Originally posted by Vivian Campbell
In a music seen that is full of whiner bands who drone on endlessly, I think its damn awesome that we have a band bringing rock back to its roots - chicks and fun. This is the Counter-Revolution against the Cobain followers. These guys pack a powerful a punch. While they aren’t Eddie Van Halen, Justin and his brother offer some great riffs and solos.

I would never compare him to Dave, but I think it’s cool that Justin have been inspired by the Diamond One. These guys respect the classic stuff and want to bring it back to popularity. God Bless ‘em for it.

The next album will be absolutely huge. I haven’t been this jacked for a new album in a while.

I totally agree. Can't wait for the next album and I'd also love to see a DVD from them. Is the next album out this year?

Justin has an unusual vocal style which probably puts some peope off, but I just love the humour in it. And the guitar playing is some of the best I've heard in years.

If they tour Down Under I'll definately be there.

[VHII]

they're supposed to put out an album early in the summer

[Coyote]

Originally posted by VHII
they're supposed to put out an album early in the summer

About fuckin' time, too...

I hope they tour Finland again... I missed out on the first time.

[tydhurst]

I'm not really for the Darkness, as their "Rock" sound is WAY too polished, i'm well aware that they paid for their first album, and are different than what's happening in music nowadays, but so is William Shatner, and he's still shit!

It's a step Backwards in the development in music, nad for that i don't like it!

[flappo]

i've gone right off them , they come over as rip off merchants

bit of queen , bit of vh , bit of zep , bit of thin lizzy

adds up to a load of crap

[Soul Reaper]

The Darkness are better than the angst-filled crap we get from Linkin Park and Korn. Kudos to The Darkness for bringing classic rock back to the mainstream. Justin Hawkins' voice is too OTT for some people but I don't really care, I enjoy the music.

[Shaun Ponsonby]

Lets look at it this way-who would you rather were number one-The Darkness or Justin Timberocean or whatever he's called?

[Soul Reaper]

Originally posted by Shaun Ponsonby
Lets look at it this way-who would you rather were number one-The Darkness or Justin Timberocean or whatever he's called?

Good point. it's obvious what my answer is.

[tydhurst]

Rock music should NEVER make the top 40, then it's FAR too polished!

[Shaun Ponsonby]

What were Van Halen in 1984?

They were certainly in the Top 40.

Most rock bands in the 1970's were in the Top 40.

If those bands in the 70's and 80's wern't in the top 40, then we probably wouldn't know about them.

[tydhurst]

Yeah Van Halen were in the top 40... but with Jump, a synth Driven piece i believe. Synths are nothing to do with Hard rock.

I meant NOWADAYS! You can't say "The darkness brought Classic Rock back", as they are not classic rock!

[Shaun Ponsonby]

Originally posted by tydhurst
"The darkness brought Classic Rock back", as they are not classic rock!

I didn't say that, I just said I liked them. Not once have I mentioned The Darkness being a Classic Rock band-I just COMPARED them to Classic Rock bands.

I notice you answered about Van Halen-but, what about everything else I mentioned?

[Mishar_McLeud]

Top 40? VH has a Billboard World Record for the most N.1 hits. lol

[Mishar_McLeud]

Back to the topic - I've DLed their album just out of curiousity as I've seen VH-fans giving them some credit... I've skipped the whole tracklist for a couple of times and had it on my hard drive for a another week, then I deleted it. Not that I disliked them, but I have tons of music to listen to, and there is no place for Darkness there.

I prefer 'Hybrid Theory' mush more, and this album was much more original than 'Permission To Land'

[Shaun Ponsonby]

Originally posted by Mishar_McLeud
Top 40? VH has a Billboard World Record for the most N.1 hits. lol

No.1 is in the top 40, isn't it?

[Mishar_McLeud]

^ I was refering to 'Rock music should NEVER make the top 40, then it's FAR too polished!'

[Shaun Ponsonby]

Please except my apologies...you should have used a quote.

My mistake-I should have checked.

[Jérôme Frenchise]

Dunno that band at all, but it sure gets everybody very edgy on either side... Must be something, anyway. Maybe worth a try, maybe not.

As for the darkness, it just depends on the girl's body. The nicer she is, the more I'll need light. On the contrary, the uglier she is, the more darkness I'll want. Very common.

[Nickdfresh]

I like DARKNESS! Very cool in a tongue and cheek sort of way.

[Jesterstar]

They are awsome. One of the few new rock albums I've bought. They are skilled and the singer is incredible. Unique and grate stage presence.

I only listen to death rap pretty much but those guys have something.

[tydhurst]

Originally posted by Shaun Ponsonby
I didn't say that, I just said I liked them. Not once have I mentioned The Darkness being a Classic Rock band-I just COMPARED them to Classic Rock bands.

I notice you answered about Van Halen-but, what about everything else I mentioned?

Ah why don't you fuck off, your opinion does not count!

[tydhurst]

I don't really care about anything else.

[Shaun Ponsonby]

Originally posted by tydhurst
Ah why don't you fuck off, your opinion does not count!

This means he was wrong and cannot argue anymore.

[Shaun Ponsonby]

Originally posted by tydhurst
Ah why don't you fuck off, your opinion does not count!

This means he was wrong and cannot argue anymore.

[tydhurst]

Originally posted by Shaun Ponsonby
This means he was wrong and cannot argue anymore.


Originally posted by Shaun Ponsonby
This means he was wrong and cannot argue anymore.
Means he posted the same comment twice.

Who wants an argument? Not me, i'm no good at it, i'm just Lazy, Selfish and opinionated

[Shaun Ponsonby]

I did that on purpose...to play with your mind.

I must say-I think you're making the right choice being lazy. Why go out when you can see it on TV?

[tydhurst]

Why see it on tv, just pretend you did, whole lot easier!

[Shaun Ponsonby]

Why bother pretending anything?

Why not just never use your brain?

[rustoffa]

One word folks:

Falsetto.

It flips motherfuckers the fuck out.

People either enjoy it as a blatant contrast, tolerate it, or disregard it to the point of full-on hate.

King Diamond never made large bank with it.

[Chaz Rock City]

I love the the Darkness

When I saw them last summer, Justin Hawkins said FCC stands for fucking cunt cunters. Justin has called Van Hager "rubish"

[Chaz Rock City]

When I saw the Darkness, there were a lot of high school kids. Now they will NEVER settle for shit like Nirvana again.

[Shaun Ponsonby]

I can't decide what the majority are saying here-it's very close. Perhaps I should have inserted a poll.