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DLR'sCock
11-06-2004, 12:06 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20041105/ap_on_el_pr/voting_problems



Machine Error Gave Bush Extra Ohio Votes
By John McCarthy
The Associated Press

Friday 05 November 2004

Columbus, Ohio - An error with an electronic voting system gave President Bush 3,893 extra votes in suburban Columbus, elections officials said.

Franklin County's unofficial results had Bush receiving 4,258 votes to Democrat John Kerry's 260 votes in a precinct in Gahanna. Records show only 638 voters cast ballots in that precinct. Bush's total should have been recorded as 365.

Bush won the state by more than 136,000 votes, according to unofficial results, and Kerry conceded the election on Wednesday after saying that 155,000 provisional ballots yet to be counted in Ohio would not change the result.

Deducting the erroneous Bush votes from his total could not change the election's outcome, and there were no signs of other errors in Ohio's electronic machines, said Carlo LoParo, spokesman for Ohio Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell.

Franklin is the only Ohio county to use Danaher Controls Inc.'s ELECTronic 1242, an older-style touchscreen voting system. Danaher did not immediately return a message for comment.

Sean Greene, research director with the nonpartisan Election Reform Information Project, said that while the glitch appeared minor "that could change if more of these stories start coming out."

In one North Carolina county, more than 4,500 votes were lost in this election because officials mistakenly believed a computer that stored ballots electronically could hold more data than it did.

And in San Francisco, a malfunction with custom voting software could delay efforts to declare the winners of four races for county supervisor.

In the Ohio precinct in question, the votes are recorded to eight memory locations, including a removable cartridge, according to Verified Voting Foundation, an e-voting watchdog group. After voting ends, the cartridge is either transported to a tabulation facility or its data sent via modem.

Kimball Brace, president of the consulting firm Election Data Services, said it's possible the fault lies with the software that tallies the votes from individual cartridges rather than the machines or the cartridges themselves.

Either way, he said, such tallying software ought to have a way to ensure that the totals don't exceed the number of voters.

County officials did not return calls seeking details.

Matthew Damschroder, director of the Franklin County Board of Elections, told The Columbus Dispatch that on one of the three machines at that precinct, a malfunction occurred when its cartridge was plugged into a reader and generated a faulty number. He could not explain how the malfunction occurred.

Damschroder said people who had seen poll results on the election board's Web site called to point out the discrepancy. The error would have been discovered when the official count for the election is performed later this month, he said.

The reader also recorded zero votes in a county commissioner race on the machine.

Other electronic machines used in Ohio do not use the type of computer cartridge involved in the error, state officials say.

Meanwhile, in San Francisco, a glitch occurred with software designed for the city's new "ranked-choice voting," in which voters list their top three choices for municipal offices. If no candidate gets a majority of first-place votes outright, voters' second and third-place preferences are then distributed among candidates who weren't eliminated in the first round.

When the San Francisco Department of Elections tried a test run on Wednesday of the program that does the redistribution, some of the votes didn't get counted and skewed the results, director John Arntz said.

"All the information is there," Arntz said. "It's just not arriving the way it was supposed to."

A technician from the Omaha, Neb. company that designed the software, Election Systems & Software Inc., was working to diagnose and fix the problem.

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fanofdave
11-06-2004, 12:15 PM
before you scream "conspiracy!", lets put the scalpel
to your news post and surgically remove the doubt:

The voting machine made the error, not President Bush.
The error was recognized and made public, not swept
under the carpet. The technician who designed the software
flaw that is responsible for the error, is working to fix it.
Finally, if you deduct the 3893 votes from Presiden Bush's
Ohio total, he still leads by over 132,000 votes.

we'll have to give John McCarthy's "lets stir the pot up over
a nothing story" a big Yawwwwwwwwn....zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz......

KERRY/EDWARDS 2004
THE STENCH OF CAMPAIGN FAILURE

ELVIS
11-06-2004, 12:20 PM
I could pull a FORD and say "dupe closed", but I'm not a paranoid pussy who is afraid of someone reading a message on a message board...


:elvis:

FORD
11-06-2004, 12:35 PM
If it's a dupe than that wouldn't be the case, would it?

If this is the same article that Asscrotch already posted, then it doesn't need to be posted again.

But that's not the important thing. The important thing is that these goddamned Satanic machines are being PROVEN fraudulent, and yet you have no problems whatsoever with a second illegitimate pResidency.

ELVIS
11-06-2004, 12:38 PM
Hahaha...:D

DLR'sCock
11-06-2004, 01:11 PM
Regardless, let's count all of the provisional ballots in Ohio and every other state....and wait for more Voting Machine error stories to pop up...

ELVIS
11-06-2004, 01:16 PM
Keep waiting...

Nickdfresh
11-06-2004, 01:16 PM
This "no paper trail" stuff IS fishy. I was willing to accept that there was no large scale, organized vote fraud or suppression, but that just seems a little too convenient.

DLR'sCock
11-06-2004, 01:23 PM
It is very easy to fix voting machines....

To insert a little program into the code of the machines, or certain machines would be too easy to do...

ELVIS
11-06-2004, 01:29 PM
Bull!

DLR'sCock
11-06-2004, 01:39 PM
uh, no....it's not...

Warham
11-06-2004, 01:42 PM
If Kerry had won on these fraudulent machines, I wouldn't hear you guys complain then.

Only when Bush wins are the machines not correct.

FORD
11-06-2004, 01:48 PM
Only because a legitimate Bush win defies the very laws of mathematics.

Nickdfresh
11-06-2004, 01:56 PM
Originally posted by Warham
If Kerry had won on these fraudulent machines, I wouldn't hear you guys complain then.

Only when Bush wins are the machines not correct.

If any of these accusations surfaced at the start of the second Clinton term you guys would be screaming!

Warham
11-06-2004, 01:56 PM
No, it defies the beliefs of liberals. That's what it defies.

Big Train
11-06-2004, 01:57 PM
Two things:

1. Why don't we put all this stupid machine thread shit into ONE thread called Voting Problems, similar to several weeks ago when our moderator said would be the ONLY thread for these sorts of things. Why is the board littered with 3-4 of these things?

2. Why don't the liberals just BUY a voting machine and demonstrate how it can be done? A little engineering might help the argument. I'm not saying your right or wrong, but "eagle eyed bloggers" don't mean SHIT to me.

HELLVIS
11-06-2004, 05:46 PM
4 years ago you dems cried about some punch ballots. " Those poor old people couldn't punch out the chad, wah." Also, " those poor people in floriduh couldn't understand the butterfly ballots".

Now I hear the crying of, " no paper trail, can't trust machines!".

What will make the crying stop?

...an all write-in ballot? No, wait. Let me guess. That would suppress the illiterate, pimp, whore and welfare brat vote.

Bwhahahahahahhahahaha!!!!!!!!

fanofdave
11-06-2004, 06:25 PM
can we get some more tissues for the whiners?

HELLVIS
11-06-2004, 07:55 PM
Theraaaza says, "You crybabies make me sick!"

Nickdfresh
11-06-2004, 08:12 PM
These upstanding Republicans people could sure work their ballots!