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FORD
01-30-2004, 09:57 PM
Roy Neel: Where We Go From Here

This campaign has always defied conventional wisdom. Our extraordinary rise last year defied conventional wisdom—so did our fall in Iowa, and so did our comeback in New Hampshire after most pundits predicted Howard Dean was finished.

Conventional wisdom has been consistently wrong about this race.

So when conventional wisdom says a candidate must win somewhere on February 3, or that John Kerry will have wrapped up the nomination after fewer than 10% of the delegates have been chosen, we disagree.

Our goal for the next two and a half weeks is simple—become the last-standing alternative to John Kerry after the Wisconsin primary on February 17.

Why Wisconsin? First, it is a stand-alone primary where we believe we can run very strong. Second, it kicks off a two-week campaign for over 1,100 delegates on March 2, and the shift of the campaign that month to nearly every big state: California, New York, and Ohio on March 2, Texas and Florida on March 9, Illinois on March 16, and Pennsylvania on April 27.

In the meantime, Howard Dean is traveling to many of the February 3 states, sending surrogates—including Al Gore—to most, and conducting radio interviews in all. We believe that one or more of our major opponents will be eliminated that day, and that the others will fall by the wayside as our strength grows in the following days. As a result we have elected to not buy television advertisements in February 3 states, but instead direct our resources toward the February 7 and 8 contests in Michigan, Washington and Maine. We may not win any February 3 state, but even third place finishes will allow us to move forward, continue to amass delegates in Virginia and Tennessee on February 10, and then strongly challenge Kerry in Wisconsin.

Regardless of who takes first place in these states, we think that after Wisconsin we’ll get Kerry in the open field. Remember one crucial thing about the 2004 calendar—in previous years a front-runner or presumptive nominee would typically emerge after most of the states had voted and most of the delegates had been chosen. The final competitor to that candidate, even if he won late states, as many have done, has not been able to win a majority of delegates under any scenario.

This year is very different. The media and the party insiders will attempt to declare Kerry the winner on February 3 after fewer than 10% of the state delegates have been chosen. At that point Kerry himself will probably have claimed fewer than one third of the delegates he needs to win. They would like the campaign to be over before the voters of California, New York, Texas and nearly every other big state have spoken.

Democrats in Florida, who witnessed a perversion of democracy in November 2000, will not have a choice concerning the nominee if the media and the party insiders have their way.

We intend to make this campaign a choice. We alone of the remaining challengers to John Kerry are geared to the long haul—we’ve raised nearly $2 million in the week after Iowa, over $600,000 in the 48 hours since New Hampshire. No candidate—not even Kerry, who mortgaged his house and tapped his personal fortune to funnel $7 million into his campaign —will have sufficient funds to advertise in all, or even most, of the big states that fall on March 2 and beyond. At that point paid advertising becomes much less of a factor.

And we alone of the remaining challengers offer a clear choice to Kerry. Howard Dean is no Johnny Come Lately to the message of change—he has actually delivered change in Vermont. Howard Dean has the courage and conviction to stand up for what’s right, even when it’s not politically popular, as opposed to the cautiousness, compromise and convenience that has characterized John Kerry’s 19 years in the Senate.

We believe that when the voters of the post-Wisconsin states—which constitute 75% of the delegates that will be chosen in the states—compare Howard Dean and John Kerry, they will conclude that Dean, not Kerry, has the best chance to beat George Bush, because only Dean offers a clear vision of change and a record of results that contrasts against the rhetoric emanating from Washington. We believe they will increasingly reject the rubber stamp presented to them by the media.

Has such a strategy ever worked before?

No. It's never been tried.

But prior to this year, no candidate had ever raised $46 million dollars, mostly from ordinary Americans giving $100 each. Prior to this year no candidate for President had ever inspired the kind of grass-roots activity that has been this campaign’s hallmark. Prior to this year no candidate for President had so clearly revitalized his party, allowed it to reclaim its voice, and shifted the agenda so clearly to a call for change.

Let the conventional wisdom and the media declare this race over. We’re going to let the people decide.

Roy Neel
Chief Executive Officer
Dean for America

ELVIS
01-30-2004, 10:12 PM
There was no "comeback in New Hampshire"...

This article lost me right there...:rolleyes:

ELVIS
01-30-2004, 10:19 PM
I do agree that Dean has a much better message than Kerry, and he comes across with integrity, but people are scared of him. He's weird and eccentric...

He can't win and he could never beat Bush...

Seshmeister
01-30-2004, 10:37 PM
Originally posted by ELVIS
...people are scared of him. He's weird and eccentric...



Unlike Bush???

FORD
01-30-2004, 11:28 PM
Originally posted by ELVIS
I do agree that Dean has a much better message than Kerry, and he comes across with integrity, but people are scared of him. He's weird and eccentric...

He can't win and he could never beat Bush...

You're buying into the media hype with the "weird and eccentric" shit. As you said, he has the message. He has the integrity. He also has the track record and that's what scares the corporatists in both parties. This is why they created the "angry Howard" lie.

Worst thing about it? It's not even original.

Remember when Ross Perot was characterized as "angry" and "weird"?

How about John McCain?

I won't say Perot was better qualified than Clinton for the job, but there's no doubt at all that McCain was far more experienced than Junior. And there's no doubt that Dean is infinitely better than Kerry. But instead of his outstanding resume, you hear media hype about his "anger".

Never mind that he's absolutely right. Never mind that he's the best candidate running.
Never mind that the fact that two party's power structures and the corporate media are attempting the worst character assassination possible because they fear the changes this candidate will bring to his party and his country.

You may try to laugh this off but I'm totally serious..... Howard Dean is America's best hope, and very possibly America's last hope. Because with Bush vs Kerry, only PNAC wins.

Flash Bastard
01-30-2004, 11:43 PM
Originally posted by FORD


You may try to laugh this off but I'm totally serious..... Howard Dean is America's best hope, and very possibly America's last hope. Because with Bush vs Kerry, only PNAC wins.


I totally disagree with your statement but I'll give you brownie points for sticking to your convictions and with your candidate in the face of certain defeat. :)

Your misguided loyalty deserves positive feedback. Done.

Cathedral
01-31-2004, 12:50 AM
I watched the Iowa deal and quite honestly i didn't see the problem with Dean rallying the troops in the face of defeat.

I took his screaming match to be a great motivator for his people and they were diggin it.
This whole deal about him not being Presidential because he got excited is complete and total bullshit.

I still wouldn't vote for him but i do think his Iowa I have a scream speech was non-event and hardly worthy of the 5 days of footage the news channels kept running.

I mean if the guy is gonna lose then why can't it be based on issues as opposed to an incident where he gets overly excited pumping up his troops?
I dunno, i got really sick of the mud slinging that it spawned.

Flash Bastard
01-31-2004, 12:56 AM
Originally posted by Cathedral
I watched the Iowa deal and quite honestly i didn't see the problem with Dean rallying the troops in the face of defeat.

I took his screaming match to be a great motivator for his people and they were diggin it.
This whole deal about him not being Presidential because he got excited is complete and total bullshit.

I still wouldn't vote for him but i do think his Iowa I have a scream speech was non-event and hardly worthy of the 5 days of footage the news channels kept running.

I mean if the guy is gonna lose then why can't it be based on issues as opposed to an incident where he gets overly excited pumping up his troops?
I dunno, i got really sick of the mud slinging that it spawned.

I agree. But do you agree with FORD's assertion that Dean is America's savior?

Does anyone?

lucky wilbury
01-31-2004, 12:59 AM
ross perot was angry and wierd.

Cathedral
01-31-2004, 01:07 AM
Originally posted by Flash Bastard
I agree. But do you agree with FORD's assertion that Dean is America's savior?

Does anyone?

Fuck No, Dean is slime and bad for the future of our military.
He has all the wrong ideas and if a Democrat wins in November you can kiss the booming economy goodbye.

Tax Cuts produce spenders which is what the economy needs to run, right?

Well, if we repeal the Bush tax cuts i see a whole lot of wallets closing up tighter than a virgins asshole.
after the repeal we get hit with a tax increase further tightening the wallets. but in all reality, the tax revenues will be higher than they are now because of the increase.

When the day is over and the smoke has cleared what we are left with is the same old Tax and Spend Liberals that care more about getting power back than actually putting a candidate in there that is worth a fuck.

Flash Bastard
01-31-2004, 02:37 AM
Fucking Cathedral... always on the money.

I'm building a shrine to you in my backyard so later generations might benefit from your wisdom and shit.

Honest injun. :D

FORD
01-31-2004, 02:47 AM
Originally posted by Cathedral


Tax Cuts produce spenders which is what the economy needs to run, right?



Wrong. Because Junior's tax cuts have been overwhelmingly for the rich. Rich people have money to spend all the time, so they don't need to spend their "tax cuts".

Dean was correct when he said that there were no true tax cuts for the middle class. I never got one. And even the married with kids folks who got $300 had to use that money to pay off rising health care costs, higher property taxes, and other fallout of the BCE recession which began in March 2001 and resulted in huge budget crises in most states.

Middle class tax payers would be more than likely to spend the results of a tax cut, but a "tax cut" is an illusion if it really produces a deficit which must be paid off later, plus interest, which would actually make it a tax increase in the long run.

FORD
01-31-2004, 03:41 AM
This is NOT an official Dean For America ad. (http://artsci.wustl.edu/~gsbarkin/Dean300.wmv) But maybe it should be.

BigBadBrian
01-31-2004, 08:35 AM
Originally posted by Seshmeister
Unlike Bush???

Sesh must be watching the BBC again. The bastion of liberal truth. :rolleyes:

John Ashcroft
01-31-2004, 10:40 AM
Ford, your party's economics simply don't work. But I'll play along. What did JFK think about taxes on the rich?

Cathedral
01-31-2004, 10:52 AM
I got a tax cut and i'm not rich.....So i don't buy into the idea that it only benefitted the rich.

Although it makes a great bitching point for the liberals. it is much like everything else that comes out of a Liberal's mouth....NOT TRUE...

Kerry claims that Bush's speech on Terrorism is an exageration. Where the hell was Kerry on 9-11-01 ?

Dude, The Democrats don't have a pot to piss in and that party has no hope of gaining the White House back in Nov.
Big Daddy G.W. is about to put the smack down on all of you misguided, baby killing, tax hiking, spend crazy, immoral minded, butt fucker embracing Liberal's.

I'll be there waving my Bush banner in your face, gloating....

"Death to the Democratic Party in '04!"

FORD
01-31-2004, 11:34 AM
So a one party fascist state doesn't bother you then? As long as the so called leader pretends to be religious.

Didn't we see something like that about 70 years ago, in Germany?

ELVIS
01-31-2004, 12:18 PM
Originally posted by FORD
You're buying into the media hype with the "weird and eccentric" shit.


You're underestimating me.. I have paid very close attention to Dean.. My views, like Cat's and Your's are passionate...:)