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BigBadBrian
11-12-2004, 05:21 PM
The Dems' problem
Emmett Tyrrell


November 11, 2004

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- One of the reasons I can say with the utmost confidence that the liberal Democrats are going to be out in the cold for a very long time has to do with a sociological observation. Almost no liberal Democrat knows a conservative Republican of whom he is not contemptuous.

To be sure, liberals in their think tanks, their universities, their corporate offices or government bureaucracies encounter the occasional conservative. Doubtless over at Harvard's Kennedy School of Government, many of the resident liberals knew that amiable moderate conservative former, Sen. Al Simpson. Many probably even liked him. Simpson is not easy to dislike. But did they respect his political values? The thing for a liberal is impossible.

In fact, did the liberals at the Kennedy School even recognize the amiable old senator's political values? As I say, Al is a "moderate conservative." If memory serves, he was pro-choice. He was not a ferocious tax-cutter or a very vigilant proponent of limited government. Yet loosely defined, the Al Simpson I knew was conservative, which means that the liberals who knew him probably suspected him to be down deep a bigot and stupid.

Liberals believe that even the most amiable conservative is predisposed toward old-fashioned prejudice against all their approved minorities: gays, blacks, poor people, feminists, the disabled. Moreover, American liberals have been convinced for generations that John Stuart Mill was right on the money when he adjudged conservatives as being members of "the stupid party," notwithstanding that Mill was talking about a different country and a different kind of conservative.

To American liberals, almost all conservatives are a little stupid, even conservative presidents. The only exception to this rule is a conservative who is obviously intelligent, for instance Richard Nixon or Henry Kissinger. These rare conservatives of intellect, every liberal knows, are immoral and usually in the pay of evil powers -- for instance, corporations.

The liberal Democrats' contempt for those who just won the Nov. 2 elections explains their amazing anger. Couple their contempt with their ignorance -- often studied ignorance -- of the people who just beat them, and you will understand why I say liberals are, politically speaking, finished.

In all the soul-searching I have read since the election, only one Democrat has demonstrated the insight to move on with the rebuilding of his party. That is Sen. Evan Bayh of Indiana, who told a New York Times reporter: "We need to be a party that stands for more than the sum of our resentments. In the heartland, where I am from, there are doubts. Too often, we're caricatured as a bicoastal cultural elite that is condescending at best and contemptuous at worst to the values that Americans hold in their daily lives."

Yes, the good senator said "condescending" and "contemptuous." He also talks as though the citizenry in the heartland has legitimate values. Those are basically the values of moral accountability, hard work, personal freedom, limited government and equality before the law, and then you can throw in many of the so-called liberal values: tolerance, compassion, some sort of egalitarianism. Those values are not unique to liberals, though liberals think they are

It is when one gets off into "gay marriage," affirmative action and the campaign against religion, and in favor of whatever it is that liberals now say they want to do with the United Nations that liberals lose touch with the American people. Of liberalism it can be said that when it does take up a good principle or fine value, it eventually takes it to an extreme that is at first preposterous then repellent.

What will Bayh and his more sensible Democrats have to do to make the Democratic Party competitive with the Republicans? First, they will have to recognize the legitimacy of the Republicans. They will have to identify the legitimacy of the Republicans' values.

Then, the Democrats will have to adopt those values with their own twist, be it populist or statist or whatever. But first I suggest that the well-intentioned Democrat take a Republican to dinner. Try to comprehend that your dinner companion is neither a bigot nor a dolt.

FORD
11-12-2004, 05:26 PM
Evan Bayh is about 1/1000th of an inch to the left of Zell Miller.

In other words, a useless sellout.

As far as respecting conservatives go, I respect many of them to one degree or another. Not a single one of them are neocons or members of the BCE, however. They are not worthy of respect, because they are traitors who are destroying America. And the true conservatives recognize that just as much as I do.

Switch84
11-12-2004, 05:51 PM
Originally posted by FORD
Evan Bayh is about 1/1000th of an inch to the left of Zell Miller.

In other words, a useless sellout.

As far as respecting conservatives go, I respect many of them to one degree or another. Not a single one of them are neocons or members of the BCE, however. They are not worthy of respect, because they are traitors who are destroying America. And the true conservatives recognize that just as much as I do.

:rolleyes: Jeebs, what part of 'condescending' and 'contemptuous' do you not understand? Seriously! Putting conditions on whether someone's respectable enough defeats the very idea that you DO!

Either you respect different views, or you don't. It's as simple as that, Dude.

What ever happened to agree to disagree? You don't have to shit on folks that don't think like you do! The world would be pretty fuckin' BORING!

FORD
11-12-2004, 05:56 PM
I don't "agree to disagree" with those who support treason against the United States of America. You like to talk about that oath you took to defend this country against all enemies foreign and domestic. Well guess what, the greatest enemy this country has ever seen is domestic and he's sitting in the White House right now. Grandpa Bush started this shit back in 1924 with Adolf and while the faces may change, the plan has always remained the same. A one world government, brought about by manipulating the population through fear and terrorism.

Big Train
11-12-2004, 06:21 PM
Switch, let me translate for you: I don't "agree to disagree" with those who disagree with me about the United States of America.

FORD
11-12-2004, 06:24 PM
Originally posted by Big Train
Switch, let me translate for you: I don't "agree to disagree" with those who disagree with me about the United States of America.

No translation neccessary. I meant exactly what I said. The Bush Criminal Empire are guilty of multiple acts of treason against this country and against the American people.

Big Train
11-12-2004, 06:28 PM
Ummmmm, last I checked, guilt requires PROOF...and you ain't got any......

Warham
11-12-2004, 06:30 PM
Evan Bayh might actually be a winning candidate for the Dems if he ever ran. Shit, I might even consider voting for him for about a tenth of a second, but that just be because he's from my home state, and he was Governor there when I was but a small child.

I'll tell you one thing, he'd get more votes from Republicans than Howard Dean ever would, and that's about the only way a Dem will ever win again: crossover votes.

fanofdave
11-12-2004, 06:33 PM
just back up that truckload of kleenex over here, al.....

Please limit attached images to only one usage to conserve DLR Army bandwidth.

Thanks.

FORD
11-12-2004, 06:59 PM
Originally posted by Warham


I'll tell you one thing, he'd get more votes from Republicans than Howard Dean ever would, and that's about the only way a Dem will ever win again: crossover votes.

Not so. I've spoken to many Republicans and independents who were impressed with Governor Dr. Dean and his message of taking back our country from the corporatists who run BOTH parties. And the DLC was scared of Dean because he was putting up record numbers in fundraising from the people, not the corporations.

How can anybody (aside from the corporatists) see that as a bad thing?

Warham
11-12-2004, 07:02 PM
Howard Dean was getting record numbers of donations from pacifists and anti-war advocates. He's suggesting we just pack up and leave Iraq now, and that's just idiotic. Even if we went so far as to say that Bush fucked up by going in there in the first place, you CAN'T just pull out now. Even Kerry wouldn't make a blunder like that.

FORD
11-12-2004, 07:07 PM
Originally posted by Warham
Howard Dean was getting record numbers of donations from pacifists and anti-war advocates. He's suggesting we just pack up and leave Iraq now, and that's just idiotic. Even if we went so far as to say that Bush fucked up by going in there in the first place, you CAN'T just pull out now. Even Kerry wouldn't make a blunder like that.

Dean NEVER said that.

Kucinich came the closest to that, but even he wanted to replace US troops with a UN peacekeeping force. Dean saw the reality of "having to fix it once you broke it" (not his exact words) while saying that the invasion was a stupid idea in the first place.

Warham
11-12-2004, 07:09 PM
Kucinich is smoking some good stuff. Where would the UN get the necessary 150,000 troops to be this 'peacekeeping force'. Ah, yes, the gold ole U.S.A. Why can't Dennis the Menace just tell it like it is?

Nickdfresh
11-12-2004, 07:14 PM
Originally posted by Warham
Howard Dean was getting record numbers of donations from pacifists and anti-war advocates. He's suggesting we just pack up and leave Iraq now, and that's just idiotic. Even if we went so far as to say that Bush fucked up by going in there in the first place, you CAN'T just pull out now. Even Kerry wouldn't make a blunder like that.

Have we made a breakthrough Warham?

Warham
11-12-2004, 08:28 PM
No, 'we' haven't.

Cathedral
11-12-2004, 11:20 PM
Bush didn't fuck up by going into Iraq, but we as citizens are fucking up by showing the world how divided we are over it.

Our troops support Bush, doesn't that say something to you?

Divided we fall people, divided we fall.

Liberals scream "I told you so, there were no WMD in Iraq" while taking their eye off the ball that says "He had them, He used them, So where are they now"

While our backs are turned and focused on fighting with one another, a group of people will be planning to set them off killing thousands if not more.
Clinton was in office when planning of 9-11 began, so if you believe they care one bit who we have in the White House, you are making a grave mistake.

Party lines don't matter to a terrorist, and Bin Ladens last video only showed that he wanted Bush gone because our troops are kicking his ass.
Why a tape and not another leveled tower?

Think about that before taking another stab at your own countrymen and women.

Switch84
11-13-2004, 12:29 AM
Originally posted by Big Train
Switch, let me translate for you: I don't "agree to disagree" with those who disagree with me about the United States of America.

:D :D :D

Switch84
11-13-2004, 12:38 AM
Originally posted by Cathedral
Bush didn't fuck up by going into Iraq, but we as citizens are fucking up by showing the world how divided we are over it.

Our troops support Bush, doesn't that say something to you?

Divided we fall people, divided we fall.

Liberals scream "I told you so, there were no WMD in Iraq" while taking their eye off the ball that says "He had them, He used them, So where are they now"

While our backs are turned and focused on fighting with one another, a group of people will be planning to set them off killing thousands if not more.
Clinton was in office when planning of 9-11 began, so if you believe they care one bit who we have in the White House, you are making a grave mistake.

Party lines don't matter to a terrorist, and Bin Ladens last video only showed that he wanted Bush gone because our troops are kicking his ass.
Why a tape and not another leveled tower?

Think about that before taking another stab at your own countrymen and women.


:killer: Cathedral, YOU ROCK! This is what I've been asking folks to realize for almost two weeks (since the election) now! This 'house divided against itself will not stand'! We are being cheapened by our own intolerance of our fellow citzens! Who gives a fuck what the world thinks about US? And despite the diatribe being dragged on by the likes of Ford, Michael Moore, even self-important foreigners, the terrorists do not care who's President. The terrorists hate Americans, PERIOD! They will take advantage of this American divisiveness and hit us where it hurts yet again.

We can't let this happen, folks. We have to come together or die together.

DEMON CUNT
11-13-2004, 03:30 AM
The Dems' problem is WE LOVE PUSSY. We love blowjobs, and 69. Gang bangs! Finger bangs! Rim jobs! Hand jobs! Porn! Drugs! Rock and Roll!

All the stuff your Mommy and your church tell you to avoid.

You right-wing chimpanzees have a lot of extra time to convince other dummies that you guys are right. And McBinLaden will strike at any time! BOO!

Us Dems are busy getting our balls licked by hot, horny, slutty Dem women! (Dem women love anal! :))

ELVIS
11-13-2004, 03:36 AM
Is that what you think life is all about ??

DEMON CUNT
11-13-2004, 03:46 AM
Originally posted by ELVIS
Is that what you think life is all about ??

GOSH, Elvis. What is life all about?

ELVIS
11-13-2004, 03:54 AM
Not gang bangs, finger bangs, rim jobs, hand jobs, porn or drugs...

Fool...

Switch84
11-13-2004, 04:22 AM
Originally posted by ELVIS
Not gang bangs, finger bangs, rim jobs, hand jobs, porn or drugs...

Fool...

;) He/she is just trying to be the comic relief of this forum, Elvis. It would be alright if he/she were actually funny.

Those that are truly 'getting some' like this yokel proclaims don't have to yap about it; it just IS.

DEMON CUNT
11-13-2004, 04:47 AM
Originally posted by ELVIS
Not gang bangs, finger bangs, rim jobs, hand jobs, porn or drugs...

Fool...

No Fool. I asked you what IS life about. Chew on that chaka!

John Ashcroft
11-13-2004, 09:59 AM
Life is about responsibility and commitment.

Keep true to these things, then happiness and gradification will follow.

(For instance, if you keep committed to the dude who licks your balls, he will continue to do so passionately... You freak.)

BigBadBrian
11-13-2004, 10:24 AM
Originally posted by DEMON CUNT
The Dems' problem is WE LOVE PUSSY. We love blowjobs, and 69. Gang bangs! Finger bangs! Rim jobs! Hand jobs! Porn! Drugs! Rock and Roll!

All the stuff your Mommy and your church tell you to avoid.

You right-wing chimpanzees have a lot of extra time to convince other dummies that you guys are right. And McBinLaden will strike at any time! BOO!

Us Dems are busy getting our balls licked by hot, horny, slutty Dem women! (Dem women love anal! :))


Quick. Dad is coming. Get off his computer. :gulp:

Loki
11-13-2004, 10:48 AM
methinks thine wisdow is rooted in falsehoods. thine arrogance is but the call of carrion birds, fat with thine stolen meal. braggarts and fools.