lucky wilbury
11-24-2004, 06:49 PM
so back in 2002 as the run up to the iraq war was getting under way ford had a sig that quoted Shakespeare from his play, Julius Caesar and it always looked funny because it didn't follow Shakespeare's writings. during the switch over from the army to ddlr (at the end of sept early oct 2002) that sig had followed and in the first postings over at ddlr it came to light that the quote was WRONG. this only became known after that bitch Barbra Streisand used it and it became famous for being wrong. now even ford expressed shock it was wrong and yet it has reappeared in his sig! so i must point it out again :D
http://www.snopes.com/quotes/caesar.htm
Claim: Julius Caesar bade us beware of leaders who bang the drums of war.
Status: False.
Example: [Collected on the Internet, 2001]
Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind. And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need in seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused with fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their rights unto the leader and gladly so. How do I know? For this is what I have done. And I am Caesar.
Origins: We've been seeing this "quote" on the Internet since December 2001, sometimes attributed to Julius Caesar, sometimes to William Shakespeare (presumably lifted from his play, Julius Caesar). Throughout the summer of 2002 it gained popularity, appearing in countless posts to newsgroups and even surfacing in various letters to editors in a handful of newspapers.
Its popularity is not hard to understand: The USA has been embroiled in a war against terrorism far across the world and is contemplating war with Iraq, and the latter action, especially, has been the subject of much debate and dissension within America. This telling observation from Caesar appears to offer yet another valid reason for not yelling "Our leader; right or wrong!" and blindly following the President into war. It is therefore a favorite of those who'd rather sit this dance out, thankyouverymuch.
Yet as popular as the quote is, it's not real. These words are not anything Julius Caesar ever wrote or said. No biographies of Caesar or histories of Rome contain these lines, and scholars who have made it their business to know everything about the man draw a blank on this quote. Likewise, Shakespeare did not stuff this soliloquy into the mouth of the title character in his play Julius Caesar, nor did any of the Bard's other characters utter it. No record of this quote has been found prior to its appearance on the Internet in late 2001.
So what's going on here, then?
As Ralph Keyes explains in Nice Guys Finish Seventh, his compendium of misattributed and false quotes, "Famous dead people make excellent commentators on current events." The dead do not reappear to challenge words assigned to them, an attribute much prized by those looking for convenient spokesmen to lend authority to their convictions. This "quote" called for a strong and respected military leader and statesman, hence Caesar was resurrected to give it voice.
Barbara "great Caesar's ghost!" Mikkelson
Sightings: On 29 September 2002, Barbra Streisand used the spurious quote during a speech she gave at a Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee Gala given in Hollywood. Political cartoonist Paul Conrad also used it as the basis for his cartoon of 29 September 2002.
Last updated: 1 October 2002
The URL for this page is http://www.snopes.com/quotes/caesar.htm
http://www.snopes.com/quotes/caesar.htm
Claim: Julius Caesar bade us beware of leaders who bang the drums of war.
Status: False.
Example: [Collected on the Internet, 2001]
Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind. And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need in seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused with fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their rights unto the leader and gladly so. How do I know? For this is what I have done. And I am Caesar.
Origins: We've been seeing this "quote" on the Internet since December 2001, sometimes attributed to Julius Caesar, sometimes to William Shakespeare (presumably lifted from his play, Julius Caesar). Throughout the summer of 2002 it gained popularity, appearing in countless posts to newsgroups and even surfacing in various letters to editors in a handful of newspapers.
Its popularity is not hard to understand: The USA has been embroiled in a war against terrorism far across the world and is contemplating war with Iraq, and the latter action, especially, has been the subject of much debate and dissension within America. This telling observation from Caesar appears to offer yet another valid reason for not yelling "Our leader; right or wrong!" and blindly following the President into war. It is therefore a favorite of those who'd rather sit this dance out, thankyouverymuch.
Yet as popular as the quote is, it's not real. These words are not anything Julius Caesar ever wrote or said. No biographies of Caesar or histories of Rome contain these lines, and scholars who have made it their business to know everything about the man draw a blank on this quote. Likewise, Shakespeare did not stuff this soliloquy into the mouth of the title character in his play Julius Caesar, nor did any of the Bard's other characters utter it. No record of this quote has been found prior to its appearance on the Internet in late 2001.
So what's going on here, then?
As Ralph Keyes explains in Nice Guys Finish Seventh, his compendium of misattributed and false quotes, "Famous dead people make excellent commentators on current events." The dead do not reappear to challenge words assigned to them, an attribute much prized by those looking for convenient spokesmen to lend authority to their convictions. This "quote" called for a strong and respected military leader and statesman, hence Caesar was resurrected to give it voice.
Barbara "great Caesar's ghost!" Mikkelson
Sightings: On 29 September 2002, Barbra Streisand used the spurious quote during a speech she gave at a Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee Gala given in Hollywood. Political cartoonist Paul Conrad also used it as the basis for his cartoon of 29 September 2002.
Last updated: 1 October 2002
The URL for this page is http://www.snopes.com/quotes/caesar.htm