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ELVIS
11-24-2004, 10:57 PM
For Christians, Thanksgiving means more than just turkey and football. Most of us have a vague notion that this holiday began when the Pilgrims invited their Indian neighbors to dinner to thank God for his provisions. But there really is much more to the story.

The Atlantic crossing in the fall of 1620 had been an extremely difficult journey for the Pilgrims. For two months, 102 people were wedged into what was called the “’tween decks”—the cargo space of the boat, which only had about five-and-a-half feet of headroom. No one was allowed above deck because of the terrible storms. This was no pleasure trip, but only one person died during the voyage.

The Pilgrims had comforted themselves by singing the Psalms, but this “noise” irritated one of the ship’s paid crewmembers. He told the Pilgrims he was looking forward to throwing some of their corpses overboard after they succumbed to the illnesses that were routine on such voyages. But as it turned out, this crewmember himself was the only person on the voyage to become sick and be thrown overboard. God providentially protected His people. A little-known fact about the Mayflower is that this ship normally carried a cargo of wine; and the wine spillage from previous voyages had soaked the beams, acting as a disinfectant to prevent the spread of disease.

During one terrible storm, the main beam of the mast cracked. Death was certain if this beam could not be repaired. At that moment, the whole Pilgrim adventure could very easily have ended on the bottom of the Atlantic. But, providentially, one of the Pilgrims had brought along a large iron screw for a printing press. That screw was used to repair the beam, saving the ship and all on board.

After sixty-six days at sea, land was sighted off what is now Cape Cod, Massachusetts. But that was not where the Pilgrims wanted to be. They had intended to establish their new colony in the northern parts of Virginia (which then extended to the Hudson River in modern-day New York), but two factors interrupted their plans. The winds had blown them off course, but they also learned that some other Englishmen who wanted to settle in the same northern part of Virginia had bribed the crew to land them somewhere else.

Once again God was in charge and the Pilgrims were right where God wanted them to be. Had they actually landed near the Hudson River, they would have most certainly been attacked by hostile Indians. Instead, there were no Indians on Cape Cod when the Pilgrims made landfall there.

Many years before some local Indians had captured a Frenchman on a fishing expedition in that region. Just as he was about to be killed, the Frenchman told the Indians that God would be angry with them, would destroy them all, and would replace them with another nation. The Indians boastfully told him that his God could never kill them. However, when the Pilgrims landed in that same region, the land had already been cleared and the fields had already been cultivated, but those Indians who had prepared the land had nearly all died of the plague a year or two earlier.

Despite this provision of safety from hostile Indians, the Pilgrims barely survived their first winter on the Cape. Only four families escaped without burying at least one family member. But God was still faithful. In the spring of 1621, He sent Squanto to them, an Indian who could speak their own language and who offered to teach them how to survive in this strange new land.

Squanto was one of the few Indians from that area who had not died of the plague. He had been captured as a young man and taken to England as a slave. During that time he mastered the English language; and then had been freed and returned to his native territory shortly before the Pilgrims arrived. Probably the most important thing Squanto taught the Pilgrims was how to plant the Indians’ winter staple crop—corn.

The Pilgrims thanked God for this wonderful helper, but they also shared with Squanto the most valuable treasure they had brought with them from England—the Gospel. Squanto died within a year or two after coming to the aid of the Pilgrims, but before his death he prayed that he might go to be with their God in Heaven.

Other Indians who Squanto had introduced to the Pilgrims were also impressed with their God. During the summer of 1621, when it appeared the year’s corn harvest would not survive a severe drought, the Pilgrims called for a day of fasting and prayer. By the end of the day, it was raining. The rain saved the corn, which miraculously sprang back to life. One of the Indians who observed this miracle remarked that their God must be a very great God because when the Indians pow-wowed for rain, it always rained so hard that the corn stalks were broken down. But they noticed that the Pilgrim’s God had sent a very gentle rain that did not damage the corn harvest.

It was that same miraculous corn harvest that provided the grain for the Pilgrims’ first Thanksgiving meal with their Indian friends and helpers. Today, many of our public school children are taught that we celebrate Thanksgiving because the Pilgrims were thanking their Indian neighbors for helping them; but the evidence of history shows that on that first Thanksgiving Day the thanks of both Pilgrims and Indians went to God for His great goodness toward them all. But the story does not end there.

Even though the Pilgrims hosted the first Thanksgiving dinner in America, the holiday itself actually has its origins almost 170 years later, after the Revolutionary War had been won and our American Constitution had been adopted. In 1789, Congress approved the Bill of Rights, the first 10 Amendments to the Constitution. Congress then “recommended a day of public thanksgiving and prayer” to thank God for blessing America. President Washington declared November 26, 1789, as the first national day of prayer and thanksgiving to the Lord.

Another 75 years later, after the Civil War ended, President Abraham Lincoln established the last Thursday in November as a day to acknowledge “the gracious gifts of the Most High God” bestowed upon America. Every president did the same until 1941 when Congress officially made Thanksgiving a national holiday.

Now that you know the true story, this Thanksgiving make sure that your children learn it too. Let us all join with generations of Americans before us in giving thanks to God for blessing our country.



:elvis:

BigBadBrian
11-24-2004, 11:10 PM
Great post, Elvis! :)

Pink Spider
11-25-2004, 12:08 AM
THE

REAL

STORY OF THANKSGIVING

by Susan Bates



Most of us associate the holiday with happy Pilgrims and Indians sitting down to a big feast. And that did happen - once.

The story began in 1614 when a band of English explorers sailed home to England with a ship full of Patuxet Indians bound for slavery. They left behind smallpox which virtually wiped out those who had escaped. By the time the Pilgrims arrived in Massachusetts Bay they found only one living Patuxet Indian, a man named Squanto who had survived slavery in England and knew their language. He taught them to grow corn and to fish, and negotiated a peace treaty between the Pilgrims and the Wampanoag Nation. At the end of their first year, the Pilgrims held a great feast honoring Squanto and the Wampanoags.

But as word spread in England about the paradise to be found in the new world, religious zealots called Puritans began arriving by the boat load. Finding no fences around the land, they considered it to be in the public domain. Joined by other British settlers, they seized land, capturing strong young Natives for slaves and killing the rest. But the Pequot Nation had not agreed to the peace treaty Squanto had negotiated and they fought back. The Pequot War was one of the bloodiest Indian wars ever fought.

In 1637 near present day Groton, Connecticut, over 700 men, women and children of the Pequot Tribe had gathered for their annual Green Corn Festival which is our Thanksgiving celebration. In the predawn hours the sleeping Indians were surrounded by English and Dutch mercenaries who ordered them to come outside. Those who came out were shot or clubbed to death while the terrified women and children who huddled inside the longhouse were burned alive. The next day the governor of the Massachusetts Bay Colony declared "A Day Of Thanksgiving" because 700 unarmed men, women and children had been murdered.

Cheered by their "victory", the brave colonists and their Indian allies attacked village after village. Women and children over 14 were sold into slavery while the rest were murdered. Boats loaded with a many as 500 slaves regularly left the ports of New England. Bounties were paid for Indian scalps to encourage as many deaths as possible.

Following an especially successful raid against the Pequot in what is now Stamford, Connecticut, the churches announced a second day of "thanksgiving" to celebrate victory over the heathen savages. During the feasting, the hacked off heads of Natives were kicked through the streets like soccer balls. Even the friendly Wampanoag did not escape the madness. Their chief was beheaded, and his head impaled on a pole in Plymouth, Massachusetts -- where it remained on display for 24 years.

The killings became more and more frenzied, with days of thanksgiving feasts being held after each successful massacre. George Washington finally suggested that only one day of Thanksgiving per year be set aside instead of celebrating each and every massacre. Later Abraham Lincoln decreed Thanksgiving Day to be a legal national holiday during the Civil War -- on the same day he ordered troops to march against the starving Sioux in Minnesota.

This story doesn't have quite the same fuzzy feelings associated with it as the one where the Indians and Pilgrims are all sitting down together at the big feast. But we need to learn our true history so it won't ever be repeated. Next Thanksgiving, when you gather with your loved ones to Thank God for all your blessings, think about those people who only wanted to live their lives and raise their families. They, also took time out to say "thank you" to Creator for all their blessings.

ODShowtime
11-25-2004, 02:56 AM
the two polar opposites. I love it!!!

lms2
11-25-2004, 06:50 AM
Elvis's story leaves a much warmer feeling in the pit of my stomache, but I am afraid there truth to Pink Spiders as well...

I am thankful that I live in a country where I am free to believe what I want to believe, and that even though hatred and prejudice still run rampant, that I do not have to be a part of it to survive.

Happy Turkey Day guys. :D

ELVIS
11-25-2004, 07:28 AM
The truth probably lies somewhere im the middle...

Happy Thanksgiving !!


:elvis:

Nickdfresh
11-25-2004, 08:43 AM
I'm a direct descendant of Mayflower riders John and Priscilla Alden.

Happy Turkey-day everyone.

DEMON CUNT
11-26-2004, 01:16 AM
Praise Baby Jesus!

http://hackvan.com/pub/stig/pix/subversive/subgenius-choose-yer-religion.gif

ELVIS
11-26-2004, 03:26 AM
That's right...


BTW, Bob Dobbs is an idiot...

DEMON CUNT
11-27-2004, 12:42 AM
Originally posted by ELVIS
That's right...


BTW, Bob Dobbs is an idiot...

I thnik that Bob would agree. If he were real.

He's actually fake, just like your god.

ELVIS
11-27-2004, 02:09 AM
He's your God too...

..and God is real...

DEMON CUNT
11-27-2004, 02:18 AM
Originally posted by ELVIS
He's your God too...

..and God is real...

Nope, guess again! Allah would disagree.

ELVIS
11-27-2004, 02:53 AM
Allah is the primary Arabic word for God (http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/allah.html) !!


Do your homework...

DEMON CUNT
11-27-2004, 02:56 AM
Originally posted by ELVIS
Allah is the primary Arabic word for God (http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/allah.html) !!


Do your homework...

So you believe in Allah?

lms2
11-27-2004, 02:59 AM
A rose, by any other name, would still smell as sweet.

DEMON CUNT
11-27-2004, 03:05 AM
Bullshit by any other name is still bullshit.

http://www.lolpictures.com/pictures/pic1/677.jpg

ELVIS
11-27-2004, 03:05 AM
Originally posted by DEMON CUNT
So you believe in Allah?

Yes, Allah is God...

I do not believe in Muslim doctrine and the characteristics that it gives to God...

lms2
11-27-2004, 03:07 AM
Originally posted by DEMON CUNT
Bullshit by any other name is still bullshit.



And is generally recognized by most easily.

DEMON CUNT
11-27-2004, 03:07 AM
Originally posted by ELVIS
Yes, Allah is God...

I do not believe in Muslim doctrine and the characteristics that it gives to God...

Becuase they are wrong and you are right. It's as easy as that.

God said it. I believe it. And that's it!

ELVIS
11-27-2004, 03:24 AM
Jesus said it...

I am the truth, the light, and the way...

Jesus is right, and anyone who disagrees is therefore, wrong...

FORD is knowledgeable in the origin of Islam and can explain how Muslims, Christians, Jews and Gentiles are all descendants of Abraham...

I don't know that much about it, and I don't want to give out false information...

DEMON CUNT
11-27-2004, 03:36 AM
Yep, Jesus is right alright! How simple! How could I ever doubt facts like this?

ELVIS
11-27-2004, 03:47 AM
That's exactly right!

It is just as simple as that!

It is a free gift from God...

I'm not gonna preach to you because I think that is stupid...

I know you said you had somewhat of a christian upbringing, and you know something about Christianity...

Seshmeister
11-27-2004, 08:47 PM
Originally posted by ELVIS
Jesus said it...

I am the truth, the light, and the way...



Mithras actually said it first. He was born in a grotto on the 25th of December, his mother was a virgin and he was later resurected.

All this was 300 years before Christ. His religious followers were wiped out by early Christians strangely enough...:)

Go look it up, it's fascinating stuff.

Cheers!

:gulp:

Switch84
11-28-2004, 02:32 AM
:D Cowbell! We need more COWBELL!

Happy belated Thanksgiving, Rothaholics!