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Nickdfresh
11-25-2004, 08:15 AM
Man do I miss hockey!



November 25, 2004 E-mail story Print

HOCKEY
With the NHL on Thin Ice, Russia Goes on Power Play
Locked out in North America, many pro players find a home in hockey-crazy Siberia.

By Kim Murphy, Times Staff Writer


OMSK, Russia — The array of midwinter diversions in this small Siberian city is not bounteous. You can see the place where Fyodor Dostoevsky spent four years in a prison camp, ice-fish on the Irtysh River, visit the Pushkin library. You can sit back and wait until March for the thermometer to rise above zero.

Or you can watch Jaromir Jagr, the highest-paid player in the National Hockey League, skate at the local arena for the hometown hockey team.

For once — thanks to a convergence of the NHL lockout, the Czech native's willingness to forgive Russia for invading his country in 1968 and the changing dynamics of international sports — Siberia has been blessed.

Jagr, the star right wing for the New York Rangers, arrived in this frigid city of 1.5 million at 6 a.m. on Nov. 12, one of more than 50 NHL players who have sought refuge in the Russian Super League since the lockout began Sept. 15. Waiting at the tiny airport in the predawn darkness were hundreds of fellow players, journalists, city leaders and enthusiastic fans.

"The entire city was on its head," recalled Masha Pryadukhina, 17.

"I don't think I would wake up that early for anyone, even for a president," a somewhat bemused Jagr said later.

By this week, Jagr was already dominating the ice in a match against the Severstal team from northern Russia, scoring a goal and two assists, unleashing pandemonium in the sold-out arena of 5,500 and sending a line of gazelle-legged cheerleaders into cartwheels and screams of "molodyets!" — great job!

Fans flocked outside after the game for a chance to get their picture taken with Jagr and congratulate him for putting Omsk on the map for something besides the former Stalinist gulag 25 miles outside of town and Sibneft Oil, whose billionaire owner, Roman Abramovich, has taken the ninth-place Avangard team, No. 1 in the Russian Super League last year, under his wing.

"With the arrival of Jagr, for the first time in seasons, today it was impossible to get a ticket for this match," said Mikhail Mandel, a hockey broadcaster for Omsk Radio and Television.

"I'm a coach myself, and I can say that I am coming to this game with the very greatest of pleasure. For the first time in my life I have seen a player of this dimension. I have never seen a player able to survey the field with such guts, with such a desire to struggle."

For Jagr — whose contract at a reported $1.6 million to $2 million specifies he can leave at a moment's notice if the attractions of the Russian winter turn out to be overrated, or if the lockout ends — the enthusiasm has been infectious.

"People love hockey here. There's only one sport, and they just live for hockey," he said. "It's good here."

Several North American veterans preceded Jagr in the trek to Omsk, some even before the lockout, including goalie Norm Maracle (formerly of the Atlanta Thrashers), Alexander Guskov (Columbus Blue Jackets), Oleg Tverdovsky (New Jersey Devils), Yaroslav Bednar (Florida Panthers) and Maxim Sushinsky (Minnesota Wild).

In Moscow, Los Angeles King veteran Alexander Frolov has temporarily joined the former Soviet army team CSKA in his native city for about $500,000 — the equivalent, in relatively low-tax Russia, of the $1 million he was making pre-lockout in L.A.

"It's the best situation for me right now: be at home for a little while, see my family, see my friends, play hockey," the Manhattan Beach resident said.

"I'm not here trying to tell anybody how to play," he said. "Everybody here is a professional. Everybody here already knows what he's supposed to do."

Gradually, $50-a-barrel oil and a booming economy is restoring Russian hockey to what it was in the days when the Soviet government poured huge subsidies into sports and Moscow stadiums were jammed with spectators who lacked other diversions.

The collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991 sent Russia's hockey stars bolting for the West. The young, inexperienced players who remained suddenly had to compete with nightclubs, casinos, restaurants and movie theaters for the public's attention. Today, the once-mighty CSKA — which during the Soviet years simply drafted promising hockey players into the army — is lucky to attract 2,500 to 3,500 spectators to a game.

In the Russian provinces, however, hockey has remained the passion it always was. "Hockey for Siberia is like hockey for Canada — it's the people's game," said Arkady Alexeyev, spokesman for the Avangard team.

The debut of corporate sponsorship now promises to catapult Russian hockey back to what it once was — perhaps, many Russians hope, even rising to a close second behind the NHL.

Abramovich, who also recently bought Britain's Chelsea soccer team, has poured millions into the Avangard lineup. And in Kazan, the capital of the Russian republic of Tatarstan, Tatneft Oil has augmented a budget for the AK Bars team now exceeding $80 million a year.

The AK Bars have signed at least nine NHL veterans, most recently free agent Alexei Kovalev, as well as Brad Richards, Nikolai Khabibulin and Vincent Lecavalier of the Stanley Cup champion Tampa Bay Lightning.

Clearly, the opportunity to play for clubs in Russia, Sweden, the Czech Republic and elsewhere in Europe has eased pressure on the NHL players' union to agree to the league's demand for "certainty" in player salaries. The NHL reports it lost $273 million last year on revenues of $2 billion.

In Russia, the entire budget for a mid-level team averages $12 million to $15 million. But teams such as AK Bars and Avangard are upping the ante. Regional governors often throw in perks such as free apartments and cars.

"Russian hockey has been gradually picking up since 1995. It is already on such a level that the arriving NHL players can't make it seriously better," said Mikhail Zislis, a writer for the weekly All Hockey. "What is so good about the NHL players coming back to Russia even for the time of the lockout is that they change the atmosphere on the ice.

"Young and medium-generation players now have a very good incentive to prove that they can play on par with the stars, that they can even beat them. The competition is becoming more intense."

And although many predicted that North American veterans would quickly get bored with the level of play outside the NHL, a large proportion of the emigres to Russia started their hockey careers here, and are quite at home with the larger, European-size rink and faster style of play.

"It's tough to compare the two," Jagr said. "This is a bigger size of rink. But in every team now there are at least five or six players from the NHL, and this level is so high, you know, the players are so fast and so strong."

Some NHL veterans have had trouble adjusting to the disciplined training regimen of the Russian Super League; at CSKA, instead of practicing 40 minutes in the morning as he did in Los Angeles, Frolov practices two hours a day and must report to the training camp for the 24 hours before each game.

"Here, you're always either traveling or sitting in a camp, and you have no free time. It [stinks]," he said.

Jagr, who played briefly for his hometown Klado team in the Czech Republic before moving to Russia, said he insisted before signing on retaining his signature jersey number — 68 — in memory of the year when Soviet troops invaded Prague. Both of his grandfathers died that year.

Had the number not been available, he said, "I would simply be playing for a different team."

Asked by the Moscow-based website MosNews.com whether he held a grudge, Jagr said no.

"It's not true that I dislike Russia or Russians," he said.

In Omsk, Jagr lives in a comfortable apartment at 50 Lenin St.

In the moments before the game with Severstal, the young Czech stood at attention as the flag was raised to the strains of the Russian national anthem. Then he quietly crossed himself and skated onto the ice.

Two minutes 37 seconds into the game, he had already scored a goal. The arena exploded.

"He's a great player, a brilliant player," Valery Belousov, the coach for the opposing team, said after the game.

"Jagr remains Jagr, even in Omsk."

A long way from Staples Center
(Sergei L. Loiko / LAT)

http://latimes.com

Va Beach VH Fan
11-25-2004, 03:45 PM
Alexsky Morozov signed a contract to play in Russia, and even if the strike ends this year, he has to play there all season long....

Good for him, maybe he can learn how to score a fucking goal again while he's over there....

aesop
11-25-2004, 05:04 PM
Originally posted by Va Beach VH Fan
Alexsky Morozov signed a contract to play in Russia, and even if the strike ends this year, he has to play there all season long....

Good for him, maybe he can learn how to score a fucking goal again while he's over there....

LMAO Hell Yea!!! Exactly!! Although if he can't learn it under Super Mario, he ain't learnin' it. Remember when we had Sergie Zubov? WDVE even had that song on the radio "Shoot the Puck". Something about those Russians...

Va Beach VH Fan
11-25-2004, 08:06 PM
Yeah bro, matter of fact I watched one of the classic games on FSN P-burgh last week during the Zubov era, when Mario scored 5 goals against Gretsky and the Blues in '96....

And he missed at least two open net tipins, could've had 7 or 8 goals if he had any luck....

Talk about being in the zone... It was 2 days after his son Austin was born prematurely, not knowing if he would survive.....

aesop
11-25-2004, 09:10 PM
Originally posted by Va Beach VH Fan
Yeah bro, matter of fact I watched one of the classic games on FSN P-burgh last week during the Zubov era, when Mario scored 5 goals against Gretsky and the Blues in '96....

And he missed at least two open net tipins, could've had 7 or 8 goals if he had any luck....

Talk about being in the zone... It was 2 days after his son Austin was born prematurely, not knowing if he would survive.....

That was an awesome game, bro. I recorded it on my HTPC so I could throw it onto a DVD. I love seeing those classic games and remembering how incredible Mario was. Stan Savran was saying he thinks this strike is good for Mario making a comeback for a full season next time around. I hope I can see him a few more times before he retires.

Nickdfresh
11-26-2004, 10:24 AM
Originally posted by aesop
That was an awesome game, bro. I recorded it on my HTPC so I could throw it onto a DVD. I love seeing those classic games and remembering how incredible Mario was. Stan Savran was saying he thinks this strike is good for Mario making a comeback for a full season next time around. I hope I can see him a few more times before he retires.

Yeah! It is really a shame because even in advanced age, this guy can still play heads and above the rest of the league. But those nagging injuries keep plaguing him.

Va Beach VH Fan
11-26-2004, 10:50 AM
Mario is the ultimate "what if"....

Even after his years of serious back problems, cancer, and then a 3 1/2 year retirement, the guy is still close to 700 goals....

I don't hear many people give Mario the nod when it comes to a Mario/Wayne debate, and I just don't know why.... Not that I don't necessarily agree with those who would choose Gretsky, just don't see the lopsided opinions....

I think first of all that Gretsky had a HUGE advantage by playing on such a great team.... When you have talented teammates feeding you the puck and generating that many scoring opportunities, that is a big key IMO....

Mario was in the league 6 years before they started getting decent teammates for him, when they drafted Jagr, traded for Francis, Stevens, Coffey, Murphy, etc.....

It's my belief that if Mario had teammates close to Edmonton's level during those early years, he might have broken Gretsky's record....

In addition, the Canadian press is obviously pro-Gretsky, and I can't blame them.... But it's strange they are so one-sided on one Canadian player over another... Maybe it's Lemieux's French-Canadian roots that feed the bias, who knows.....

All I know is that when you watch a game like that one in '96, where he is SO dominant, it's hard to make a open/shut case for Gretsky like so many people do....

aesop
11-26-2004, 11:27 AM
Va Beach VH Fan, the average NHL fan might not know, but we who know hockey know that Mario, if healthy, would've shattered every record in the books! No one could single handidly take over a game like mario. No one. Period.

The only comparison in Pro sports to Mario would be Jordan. That explains the friendship they had. They knew.

Va Beach VH Fan
11-26-2004, 04:59 PM
Don't be so sure bro....

We have many knowledgable hockey fans on here, from the States, Canada, and Europe....

It seems to me when this topic has been discussed before, it was tilted Gretsky's way....

And if you go by numbers alone, sure, I can see that....

As I said before, "what if".....

aesop
11-26-2004, 06:00 PM
How about points-per-game? Is there a truer stat in hockey?

Matt White
12-02-2004, 03:08 PM
Ah, Russian hockey....I remember the "RUSSIAN 5".

Va Beach VH Fan
12-02-2004, 04:26 PM
And we have movement ladies and germs.....

How much movement, who knows... The owners have already said anything less than a salary cap is a no-go, but we'll see what happens next week....

http://cbs.sportsline.com/nhl/story/7953862

Owners accept union invitation for talks next week in Toronto

NEW YORK -- The NHL accepted an invitation from the players association Thursday to return to the negotiating table in an effort to end the lockout that began nearly three months ago.

In a letter sent to NHL commissioner Gary Bettman on Thursday, players association executive director Bob Goodenow proposed that the sides meet next week in Toronto and said the union is working on a new proposal.

No official talks have taken place since Sept. 9, when the union made its last offer. The lockout reached its 78th day Thursday.

"We look forward to meeting with the NHL players association next week," said Bill Daly, the league's chief legal officer. "We are hopeful that the NHLPA's offer will be a meaningful effort to address the league's economic problems. When we receive the proposal, we will evaluate it closely and respond appropriately."

The last offer by the NHLPA was a luxury tax-based deal that was rejected by the league, and the lockout began one week later. As of Thursday, 334 regular-season games, plus the 2005 All-Star Game, have been wiped out.

The offer to resume talks came just hours before the league's general managers prepared to get an update from Bettman during a dinner meeting in New York.

The players association said its new proposal should provide the basis for a new collective bargaining agreement.

"Almost three months have passed since the players made their last proposal and we have yet to receive a counteroffer from the league," Goodenow said in a statement. "We have been working hard at other creative solutions and believe our new proposal will provide a basis to end the owners' lockout and resume NHL hockey."

Bettman has said that a luxury tax won't work for the 30 NHL teams, which he claims are losing money at a pace that makes it impossible for the league to survive under the current system. He is seeking "cost certainty" for the clubs, which the union says is tantamount to a salary cap -- a solution it refuses to accept.

The league has been operating under the same collective bargaining agreement since 1995, when the last lockout -- that lasted 103 days -- ended and a truncated 48-game schedule was held. That deal was extended twice.

Bettman said teams combined to lose more than $1.8 billion over 10 years, and that management will not agree to a labor deal without a defined relationship between revenue and salaries. Owners claim teams lost $273 million in 2002-03 and $224 million last season.

An economic study commissioned by the NHL found that players get 76 percent of all league revenues -- far more than the percentage for the other major team sports. The players association has challenged many of the league's financial findings.

lucky wilbury
12-02-2004, 04:35 PM
that just seems like more of a pr move on the players part. it's almost like saying hey we're willing to talk but the owners aren't. i'm sure the nhlpa has seen the polls where it shows the vast majority of fans back the owners and not the players

Nickdfresh
12-02-2004, 06:13 PM
Originally posted by lucky wilbury
that just seems like more of a pr move on the players part. it's almost like saying hey we're willing to talk but the owners aren't. i'm sure the nhlpa has seen the polls where it shows the vast majority of fans back the owners and not the players

Danny Gare, a former Buffalo Sabre's star and Detroit Red Wing, is a commentator for the Buffalo Sabre broadcasts. He got in trouble for saying on a local radio show that he has talked to a lot of the Sabres off the record and he believes if the Association allowed a secret ballot, most players would support a salary cap in some form.

Golden AWe
12-02-2004, 06:24 PM
Originally posted by Matt White
Ah, Russian hockey....I remember the "RUSSIAN 5".


konstantinov-fetisov-larionov-fedorov-whothefuckwasthefifthonebackthen?

ha...

we've got some nhl players in the finnish league too, however, many of the finnish players have had to avoid playing in our league - otherwise they'd have to pay taxes in usa/canada and finland!

well, we still have guys like michael nylander, john madden, jarkko ruutu, dwayne roloson, jason williams, hal gill, lasse pirjeta, patrick stefan etc...plus saku koivu and mark recchi are also joining us!

Golden AWe
12-02-2004, 06:24 PM
it was kozlov!!!

mikebuczek
12-03-2004, 10:44 PM
I did not know there was as many hockey fans in here. Now that I said that, old time bruins rule!

mikebuczek
12-03-2004, 11:42 PM
the rat