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Nickdfresh
11-27-2004, 02:24 PM
Ukraine poll invalid, MPs declare
Poll did not reflect will of voters, parliament says
Saturday, November 27, 2004 Posted: 11:56 AM EST (1656 GMT)


KIEV, Ukraine (CNN) -- Ukraine's parliament has voted that the result of the country's disputed elections should be annulled, and the country's Central Election Commission should be dissolved.

Saturday's votes -- while non-binding -- serve as powerful political moves that observers say could possibly usher in new voting.

Analysts and authorities say the voiding and restaging of presidential elections is uncharted legal territory in Ukraine.

It is not presently clear whether the parliament or the courts have the ultimate legal authority to void the elections.

Supporters of challenger Viktor Yushchenko, whose supporters staged massive protests against the polls, believe the authority to void the elections remains with President Leonid Kuchma.

The measure to annul the election says the results did not reflect the will of the Ukrainian voters and should be abolished. It says new elections are needed.

Parliament members want a new election commission. The existing 15-person Central Election Commission certified the controversial victory of Viktor Yanukovych.

A multilateral group, set up by the two presidential candidates, was expected to begin negotiations to resolve the dispute on Saturday, according to Kuchma.

Yanukovych and Yushenko agreed Friday to set the working group in motion immediately.

As parliament discusses the political crisis Saturday, opposition demonstrators outside chanted Yushchenko's name over a sound system just outside the parliament building.

On Friday, Yushchenko told supporters in Independence Square that negotiations had begun and include the possibility of holding a new round of elections, because of accusations that Sunday's runoff balloting was rigged.

Javier Solana, European Union foreign policy minister, one of several negotiators, including other European officials, met with all sides in the crisis.

Among several meetings was a roundtable discussion that was the first face-to-face meeting between the declared winner of the balloting and the man who says victory was stolen from him.

Another election "is a possibility that has been on the table, yes," Solana told CNN International. But the results of the multilateral group's work, he said, cannot be predicted and he does not know how long a solution will take.

Both sides, however, have agreed to avoid violence, Solana said.

Kuchma held a news conference after meeting with Solana, Yushchenko and Yanukovych. Also attending were Polish President Aleksander Kwasniewski and Lithuanian President Valdas Adamkus.

It was the first face-to-face meeting between the two candidates since the runoff election erupted into a controversy. Speaking at a news conference afterward, Solana said the candidates gave each other a chilly reception.

At another news conference following the meeting, Kuchma thanked the European officials who had come to participate, and shook hands with both candidates, who stood on either side of him.

The president expressed hope that the country "would find with dignity a peaceful solution of this political crisis."

Solana earlier met separately with Yushchenko, who says he has proof the election was rigged.

"We are concerned about the process ... (we) don't think the process has been properly done," Solana said of the election before the meetings began. "This is a very important country for Europe ... but the quality of democracy has to be better."

Afterward, Solana told CNN International, the multilateral group's work toward a solution will be conducted in "a climate of transparency and participation" of citizens.

At a news conference, he called it "an important first step. A lot of work has to be done still."

Protesters have been holding round-the-clock protests in Independence Square, and around the presidential administration building and other government buildings.

Protests can continue, as long as they do not disrupt Ukrainian government functions or impede access to government buildings, Solana said.

Yushchenko told supporters on Friday that Kuchma and European leaders agreed that the election cannot be regarded as valid because of massive vote frauds.

Earlier in the day, officials from Yushchenko's campaign released audiotapes to reporters that they claimed proved there was fraud in the balloting.

The officials said the tapes came from law enforcement officials, and say that on them, an official with Yanukovych's party can be heard saying that they need to get into the computers because the vote counts are down and they have to increase them.

CNN cannot verify the authenticity of the recordings.

Thursday, Ukraine's Supreme Court barred the publication of disputed presidential election results until it can examine Yushchenko's appeal.

Yushchenko reportedly has rejected the prime minister's proposal to submit complaints of voting irregularities to the Supreme Court, apparently asking for another election to take place instead.

The court indicated it will conduct its examination Monday, the Russian news agency Interfax said.

Ukraine's Central Election Commission declared Yanukovych the winner on Wednesday, but the protests from Yushchenko and his supporters -- and international election observers -- began before the final results were announced.

A group of about 300 police recruits gathered around the presidential administration building Friday, saying they skipped classes to show Ukraine's police are with the people.

Yushchenko said he would not go so far as to try to foment a revolution to push himself into office, however. He said Ukraine's army and security forces have also pledged that they would not resort to violence, either.

Ukrainian legal experts told CNN that Yushchenko could not appeal the results of the election, but could appeal the actions of the CEC -- that the commission acted too quickly in declaring a winner in the vote without investigating allegations of fraud and abuse.

U.S. and British officials have called for an investigation into the election. Secretary of State Colin Powell said the United States does not accept the results of Ukraine's presidential elections as legitimate, citing "credible reports of fraud and abuse."

CNN's Jill Dougherty, Max Tkachenko and Ryan Chilcote contributed to this report.


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Ukrainian lawmakers react as they declare the disputed presidential election to be invalid on Saturday.
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Seshmeister
11-27-2004, 08:15 PM
You see it can be done.

Now if this had happened in a certain election 4 years ago...;)

Jesus Christ
11-29-2004, 10:13 AM
Originally posted by Seshmeister
You see it can be done.

Now if this had happened in a certain election 4 years ago...;)

Verily :(

Nickdfresh
12-01-2004, 11:00 AM
Ukraine lawmakers vote to oust PM
Wednesday, December 1, 2004 Posted: 10:25 AM EST (1525 GMT)


KIEV, Ukraine (CNN) -- Ukraine's opposition scored a victory in its battle to overturn what it says was a rigged runoff election when parliament sacked the government of Prime Minister and president-designate Viktor Yanukovych.

The Supreme Court is considering opposition candidate Viktor Yushchenko's claims of vote fraud, which have sparked a 10-day political crisis paralyzing the former Soviet bloc nation of 49 million people.

After a narrow majority of lawmakers backed the no-confidence motion, cheers erupted from opposition supporters, who chanted Yushchenko's name.

The parliament also voted to form an interim government.

A spokeswoman for the opposition told CNN that more work must be done. "The vote in parliament was important, and we are very happy," she said. "But it is not victory."

The measure must be approved by outgoing President Leonid Kuchma, who has voiced his support for new elections.

Should Kuchma reject the vote, the opposition could try to override the president, but that would take an almost unattainable 301 of the 450 votes in parliament.

The parliamentary move came as the Supreme Court was considering a request by the opposition to order a repeat of the runoff election between Yushchenko and Yanukovych.

Should the court order new elections instead of a repeat -- favored by Kuchma, who backed Yanukovych -- Ukrainian law would prevent either man from entering the race.

In what appeared to be an attempt to seize back the political initiative, Yanukovych appealed to the court to declare the election results invalid, the court said Wednesday, The Associated Press reported.

His campaign team accused the Central Election Commission, which last week declared him the winner, of "violating Ukrainian election laws," Chief Justice Anatoliy Yarema said.

Yanukovych's side asked the court to order election officials to conduct a recount, saying the final result did not correspond with reality.

A possible revote was likely to be high on the agenda of a meeting of international mediators gathered in Ukraine.

Previous negotiations collapsed last Friday amid opposition accusations that the government was dragging out the talks in a bid to consolidate its flagging authority.

European Union foreign policy chief Javier Solana was back in Kiev Wednesday. He was joined by Polish President Aleksander Kwasniewski, Lithuanian President Valdas Adamkus, Russian envoy Boris Gryzlov and Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe chief Jan Kubis -- all of whom participated in last week's talks.

On Tuesday, opposition officials cut off negotiations with Ukraine's government and said they will not end their massive street protests until their demands are met.

The demands are:


The government must admit that the election results were falsified.


Yanukovych's government and the Central Election Commission must step down.


Some action must be taken against three regional governors who threatened to take steps toward autonomy in the wake of the dispute.


Interior Minister Nikolai Bilokon, who they believe was part of the effort to manipulate the election, must be fired.

The crisis has brought hundreds of thousands of demonstrators to Kiev, where Yushchenko supporters have blocked government buildings for several days.

They have been outside parliament and at Kiev's Independence Square for 10 days, many sporting the campaign's orange ribbons and warming themselves around fires and singing folk songs.

CNN's Jill Dougherty, Max Tkachenko and Ryan Chilcote contributed to this report.

Copyright 2004 CNN. All rights reserved.This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. Associated Press contributed to this report.

Opposition lawmakers celebrate in parliament after Wednesday's vote of no confidence.
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knuckleboner
12-01-2004, 06:18 PM
here's the problem:


Originally posted by Nickdfresh
challenger Viktor Yushchenko... victory of Viktor Yanukovych.



what the hell? no wonder there's confusion. don't blame me, i voted for "viktor ywhatshisnam."

ODShowtime
12-01-2004, 06:22 PM
Originally posted by Seshmeister
You see it can be done.

Now if this had happened in a certain election 4 years ago...;)

We're a bunch of fucking pussies compared to Ukranians.

"Ukranian is not weak. Ukraine is strong!"