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Nickdfresh
11-29-2004, 03:12 PM
Features > October 24, 2004
Bush’s War Against the Military
By Ian Williams



George W. Bush so often invokes his nominal title of “commander in chief” at veterans’ rallies, on military bases and during presidential debates that he now appears like some latter-day caudillo. But his claims to be a commander of any kind in any serious way are a figment of his imagination.

Discounting that he sent American troops into Iraq on false pretenses, a real commander would fight for the welfare of his troops. But Bush has demonstrated a consistent unwillingness to do so, and as a result many high-ranking officers have endorsed Kerry, including retired Navy Adm. William Crowe and former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Army Gen. John Shalikashvili.

Bush has failed the military on almost every level. While Halliburton and Boeing went to the bank this year with about $10 billion each, undermanned U.S. forces went into Iraq without armored vests and driving unarmored vehicles. The fatal results were hidden from public view as the dead were secreted home and the Department of Defense (DOD) obscured and juggled the numbers of maimed and wounded.

Once back in the United States, veterans found no federal welcome mat laid out for them. By April this year, one in six veterans of Iraq and Afghanistan had filed benefits claims with the Veterans Administration for service-related disabilities. These figures do not include those troops still serving and are twice the number the DOD Web site says suffered “Non-Mortal Wounds” in those conflicts. Today, one-third of those claims, almost 10,000, have yet to be processed. Further, Bush’s 2005 budget will cut 540 staff members of the Veterans Benefit Administration, which is the office that handles the claims. The outreach department that lets vets know of available services also was instructed in a 2002 memo by a deputy undersecretary in the Veterans Health Administration to run in silent mode to flush out people who had not made claims out of ignorance.

Even if the war wounded succeed in getting disability pay, in 2003 Bush threatened to veto a bill that allowed veterans to collect disability pay and pensions simultaneously.

In 2003, his administration also tried to cut combat pay from $225 to $150 a month and the family separation allowance from $250 to $100. And most callously of all, the frat brat who ducked a war that killed 48,000 American troops threatened to veto a proposal to double the $6,000 payment to relatives of soldiers killed in action.

That is typical of the way in which President Bush, who loves to dress up in uniform, treats those who actually wear one. As a June 30, 2003, Army Times editorial concluded: “President Bush and the Republican-controlled Congress have missed no opportunity to heap richly deserved praise on the military. But talk is cheap and getting cheaper by the day, judging by the nickel-and-dime treatment the troops are getting lately.”

In his ghostwritten 1999 biography A Charge to Keep, an indignant Bush wrote: “Nearly twelve thousand members of the armed forces are on food stamps. I support increased pay and better benefits and training for our citizen solders. A volunteer military has only two paths. It can lower its standards to fill its ranks. Or it can inspire the best and brightest to join and stay.” Despite four years to do something about it, more than 250,000 military families did not get Bush’s much-vaunted child tax credit because their breadwinner earned less than $26,000 a year. And in his 2005 budget, Bush proposes only that combat pay not count toward eligibility for food stamps—for which no less than 25,000 military families are eligible.

The U.S. Army pay scale is about half that of the British, which is why there is a major crisis in military recruitment. Senior officers talk about a “serious crisis” in recruitment for the regular forces. In addition, the Iraq war has put heavy demands on reservists and guard units. For the first time in 10 years, the guard failed to meet its recruitment target. In one Indiana unit, for instance, the reenlistment rate has dropped from 85 percent to 32 percent.

You would think that the Bush administration would be solicitous of the foot soldiers who carry out its imperial ambitions. But this administration is militaristic, not pro-military. Most of its members sedulously avoided combat and uniformed service of any kind in previous wars and most current enlisted personnel come from small town, blue-collar America, precisely the people whose voices are among the least heard. It is no surprise that Labor Secretary Elaine Chao’s proposals for cutting back legal entitlement to overtime pay this year included all those who had learned their skill in the military.

All of this penny-pinching may seem strange in light of Bush’s desperate attempts to associate himself with the military. But when he dons a flak jacket, the president is not looking to win over those GIs who have just had their term extended on stop-loss orders, but those TV-viewing voters who put the military on a pedestal as the guarantor of American virtues.

BigBadBrian
11-29-2004, 03:30 PM
Originally posted by Nickdfresh
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Once back in the United States, veterans found no federal welcome mat laid out for them. By April this year, one in six veterans of Iraq and Afghanistan had filed benefits claims with the Veterans Administration for service-related disabilities. These figures do not include those troops still serving and are twice the number the DOD Web site says suffered “Non-Mortal Wounds” in those conflicts. Today, one-third of those claims, almost 10,000, have yet to be processed.

I applied for disability benefits in 1998. It took over a year for them to get approved. People need to quit pointing fingers at who sits in the Oval Office and just fix the damned system. Shit.


Even if the war wounded succeed in getting disability pay, in 2003 Bush threatened to veto a bill that allowed veterans to collect disability pay and pensions simultaneously.

That's funny. A bill like this never got by Clinton's desk either. I wish it would have.



In his ghostwritten 1999 biography A Charge to Keep, an indignant Bush wrote: “Nearly twelve thousand members of the armed forces are on food stamps. I support increased pay and better benefits and training for our citizen solders. A volunteer military has only two paths. It can lower its standards to fill its ranks. Or it can inspire the best and brightest to join and stay.” Despite four years to do something about it, more than 250,000 military families did not get Bush’s much-vaunted child tax credit because their breadwinner earned less than $26,000 a year. And in his 2005 budget, Bush proposes only that combat pay not count toward eligibility for food stamps—for which no less than 25,000 military families are eligible.

Servicemembers have been on food stamps ever since I joined the military in 1982. Are you outraged? Good. Demand higher pay for the people who protect your way of life, particularly the lower pay grades.


The U.S. Army pay scale is about half that of the British, which is why there is a major crisis in military recruitment.

OK, I'm all for doubling everyone's pay in the military. Everyone else game? Let's see who in Congress balks and then we can start pointing fingers. If they pass it, then its squarely on Bush's shoulders.

FORD
11-29-2004, 03:43 PM
The drastic cuts to the military budget came from Poppy more than Junior or Clinton.

Actually, given the huge military budget we already have, I'd rather it go to the troops and the veterans than Haliburton or mercenaries paid to do things the Geneva convention doesn't allow the military to do.

Nickdfresh
11-29-2004, 03:45 PM
Originally posted by BigBadBrian
I applied for disability benefits in 1998. It took over a year for them to get approved. People need to quit pointing fingers at who sits in the Oval Office and just fix the damned system. Shit.

Did you get your legs or arms blown off by a roadside bomb while looking for nenexistent Weapons of Mass Destruction? I didn't think so. Mission Accomplished!




That's funny. A bill like this never got by Clinton's desk either. I wish it would have.

How many countries did he invade? How many caustualties did we suffer due to his incompetence? How many VA hospitals did he fill up?



Servicemembers have been on food stamps ever since I joined the military in 1982. Are you outraged? Good. Demand higher pay for the people who protect your way of life, particularly the lower pay grades.

I agree, we should. Maybe we should also stop sending the National Guard and Reserves to fight external wars which often forces citizen soldiers to take severe pay cuts from their civilian occupations. But then again it doesn't matter what they think, we can just involutarily extend them. By the way, do you use a VA pharmacy, if you do you'll notice you'll pay a lot more for prescription drugs.




OK, I'm all for doubling everyone's pay in the military. Everyone else game? Let's see who in Congress balks and then we can start pointing fingers. If they pass it, then its squarely on Bush's shoulders.

Well, its funny, we spend more than all of our potential adversaries combined on defense (about $400 Billion a year), and are the richest nation on earth, but we can't afford to pay our troops a decent "living" wage when we send some of them to die in Iraq. I know, lets give 'em a tax break!

Where does all that money go to? I bet the guys in Halliburtan over in Iraq are getting a decent wage.

ODShowtime
11-29-2004, 04:16 PM
Originally posted by Nickdfresh
I bet the guys in Halliburtan over in Iraq are getting a decent wage.

I can assure you they are. Enough for sane people to volunteer to work in a war zone...

lucky wilbury
11-29-2004, 07:22 PM
clinton invaded somilia,bosnia and kosovo and iraq to a lesser extent

Pink Spider
11-29-2004, 07:25 PM
And Clinton has been gone for 4 years.

lucky wilbury
11-29-2004, 07:28 PM
and the soviet union has been gone for 15 but your still holding on

Big Train
11-29-2004, 07:33 PM
hahaa haaaaaaa haaaaaaaa..joke of the day contender.....HAAAAAAAA

Pink Spider
11-29-2004, 07:50 PM
Originally posted by lucky wilbury
and the soviet union has been gone for 15 but your still holding on

Sounds like your info is out of date.

Their governments are still a bunch of socialist pricks.

Where's The Gipper?

Nickdfresh
11-29-2004, 08:21 PM
"What? Me a socialist prick? Okay you got me there!"

BigBadBrian
11-29-2004, 10:26 PM
Originally posted by Nickdfresh
Did you get your legs or arms blown off by a roadside bomb while looking for nenexistent Weapons of Mass Destruction? I didn't think so. Mission Accomplished!


No, but I suffer permanent disabling injuries as a result of my military service. Thank you very much and shut the fuck up!





How many countries did he invade? How many caustualties did we suffer due to his incompetence? How many VA hospitals did he fill up?

The numbers are countless if you consider that most of this could have been prevented considering he had bin Laden handed to him on a silver platter and refused. Saddam saw that and thought Clinton rightfully was a foreign policy joke. It did nothing but enbolden him.



I agree, we should. Maybe we should also stop sending the National Guard and Reserves to fight external wars which often forces citizen soldiers to take severe pay cuts from their civilian occupations.

But then again it doesn't matter what they think, we can just involutarily extend them.

I think the National Guard should either be done away with or people should learn to serve and quit whining about it. Actually, the ones I here whining are bloggers, not the actual Guardsmen. If they whine, tough shit. They knew what they were in for. By the way, do you use a VA pharmacy, if you do you'll notice you'll pay a lot more for prescription drugs. [/QUOTE]

You pay for my drugs. I get my drugs for free from a military hospital. Your taxes need to be put to good use.


Well, its funny, we spend more than all of our potential adversaries combined on defense (about $400 Billion a year), and are the richest nation on earth, but we can't afford to pay our troops a decent "living" wage when we send some of them to die in Iraq. I know, lets give 'em a tax break!

Where does all that money go to? I bet the guys in Halliburtan over in Iraq are getting a decent wage.


All this could be alleviated if we made the Europeans pay their fair share. We still protect Europe. Don't let anyone else tell you otherwise.

The Europeans spend 2% of their GDP on defense and a tiny percentage of that on R&D. They are not keeping up their end of the NATO bargain. That goes for the UK and Canada as well. The EU's worst fear would be for the US military to completely abandon Europe. It would put all of their economies into total chaos. They would actually have to spend a little to defend themselves.

As for Halliburton...name another company that could do their job. They've been doing defense and oil work in the Middle East better than anyone for the past 15 years. Your Halliburton argument is rather High-Schoolish in nature. :gulp:

Seshmeister
11-29-2004, 10:35 PM
Wow they've really done a job on your Brian haven't they.

They tell you it's raining while they piss down your back.

Your project for the week, go find out how much Halliburton employees in Iraq get paid.

Nickdfresh
11-30-2004, 01:49 AM
Originally posted by BigBadBrian
No, but I suffer permanent disabling injuries as a result of my military service. Thank you very much and shut the fuck up!

Sorry to hear that, but you did get disability right?


The numbers are countless if you consider that most of this could have been prevented considering he had bin Laden handed to him on a silver platter and refused. Saddam saw that and thought Clinton rightfully was a foreign policy joke. It did nothing but enbolden him.

That last statement ids rife with weak and faulty logic! Bin Laden was not on any silver platter, that whole argument is a joke and is based on the rantings of a Pakistani bullshitter and the Sudanese!

How did Clinton "embolden" Saddam. How many countires did he attack on Clinton's watch? NONE! How strong was his army when we invaded, not very! Emboldend?


I think the National Guard should either be done away with or people should learn to serve and quit whining about it. Actually, the ones I here whining are bloggers, not the actual Guardsmen. If they whine, tough shit. They knew what they were in for.[b/]

If they whine, they quit when their enlistments are up, are you kidding me. We really are going to have a draft! Is that what yopu mean by done away with?

[b]You pay for my drugs. I get my drugs for free from a military hospital. Your taxes need to be put to good use.

Good! We should pay for them. The least I can do and am obligated to do.



All this could be alleviated if we made the Europeans pay their fair share. We still protect Europe. Don't let anyone else tell you otherwise.

The Europeans spend 2% of their GDP on defense and a tiny percentage of that on R&D. They are not keeping up their end of the NATO bargain. That goes for the UK and Canada as well. The EU's worst fear would be for the US military to completely abandon Europe. It would put all of their economies into total chaos. They would actually have to spend a little to defend themselves.

They have the right to not pay for defense. But before you dismiss them, most countires in NATO barring the US, UK, Canada, and Luxemburg have a draft. They maintain standing arimies far larger in proportion to their population than we do.

And maybe we should pull out of Europe, we actually gradually have been for over ten years now.

As for Halliburton...name another company that could do their job. They've been doing defense and oil work in the Middle East better than anyone for the past 15 years. Your Halliburton argument is rather High-Schoolish in nature. :gulp:

Maybe, but due to Donald Rumsfelds outsourcing of the military, we now have defense contractors doing jobs once done by soldiers for two or three times the pay check. No who are most pissed off about it, the soldiers that supervise them.

lucky wilbury
11-30-2004, 02:01 AM
actually sesh you get paid more to be an independent contractor in iraq then you would if you work for halliburton. they are just salaried employees and are told where to go and when wheather its iraq or the gulf coast or even alaska