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Nickdfresh
12-03-2004, 07:30 PM
December 3, 2004

THE WORLD
Auschwitz Unknown to Many Britons, Poll Says
In advance of a BBC series on the Holocaust, a survey finds 45% never heard of the death camp.

From Reuters

LONDON — Nearly half of Britons in a poll said they had never heard of Auschwitz, the Nazi death camp in southern Poland that became a symbol of Germany's World War II-era genocide of the Jews.

The results of the survey conducted by the BBC were released Thursday as Britain's public broadcaster announced that it would show a new series in January to mark the 60th anniversary of the death camp's liberation.


"We were amazed by the results of our audience research," said Laurence Rees, a producer on the series, "Auschwitz: The Nazis & the 'Final Solution.' "

"It's easy to presume that the horrors of Auschwitz are engrained in the nation's collective memory, but obviously this is not the case," Rees said.

The survey found that 45% of those surveyed had not heard of Auschwitz.

Historians estimate that 1 million to 3 million people, about 90% of them Jews, were killed there.

Among women and people younger than 35, 60% had never heard of Auschwitz, despite the popularity of films such as "Schindler's List," "Life Is Beautiful" and "The Pianist," which depict the atrocities of the Holocaust.

"The name Auschwitz is quite rightly a byword for horror, but the problem with thinking about horror is that we naturally turn away from it," Rees said.

The BBC said the research was based on a nationally representative postal survey of 4,000 people age 16 and older.

The broadcaster is marking Holocaust Memorial Day, Jan. 27, with a variety of television and radio programs.

The Auschwitz series for BBC2 is based on nearly 100 interviews with survivors and perpetrators and is the result of three years of research with the assistance of British historians Ian Kershaw and David Cesarani.

Seshmeister
12-03-2004, 07:38 PM
It doesn't really surprise me.

It would be the same figure in the US at least.

People are on the whole pretty fucking dumb and concentrate on sport, soap operas on TV and their immediate environment.

The most frightening poll result I ever heard was that 40% of people in the UK didn't know who the Prime Minister was. This was at the time when Thatcher had been in for nearly 10 years. I can't believe it was as high as that and maybe the poll was flawed but then again who knows...?

FORD
12-03-2004, 08:59 PM
Proof that Brits know about concentration camps.......


http://www.newsshopper.co.uk/_images/db/8/71/Pistols.87135.full.jpg

Belsen was a gas I heard the other day
In the open graves where the jews all lay
Life is fun and I wish you were here
They wrote on postcards to those held dear

Oh dear

Sergeant majors on the march
Wash their bodies in the starch
See them all die one by one
Guess it's dead, guess it's good

So bad

Belsen was a gas I heard the other day
In the open graves where the jews all lay
Life is fun and I wish you were here
They wrote on postcards to those held dear

Oh dear

Be a man

Be a man
Belsen was a gas
Be a man, kill someone, kill yourself
Be a man, be someone, kill someone
Be a man, kill yourself

Seshmeister
12-03-2004, 09:12 PM
We should know about them hell we invented them during the Boer war.

It depresses the hell out of me that Israel soon after it's formation set up camps for Palestinians. They of all people should have known better.

That and Guantanamo Bay.

What a fucked up world we live in.

Is there anything left in that bottle...?

Nickdfresh
12-03-2004, 09:25 PM
Originally posted by Seshmeister
We should know about them hell we invented them during the Boer war.

It depresses the hell out of me that Israel soon after it's formation set up camps for Palestinians. They of all people should have known better.

That and Guantanamo Bay.

What a fucked up world we live in.

Is there anything left in that bottle...?

I thought the Turlks invented them to get rid of that nasty Armenian infestation!


Turkish TV Denies the Armenian Holocaust
by Robert Fisk,

The Independent

26 January 2001

On the eve of Britain's Holocaust Memorial Day, Turkey's state TRT satellite television channel has embarked on a ferocious documentary that attempts to "prove" that Armenians - victims of the 20th century's first holocaust, in 1915 and 1916 - committed genocide against their Turkish Ottoman killers. And using old archive film of the First World War, the Turkish producers of the programme claim that only about 300,000 Armenians - rather than the one and a half million who were actually slaughtered - died in forced marches from their homes.

To the fury of Armenian survivors and their descendants, Britain has refused to honour the Armenian Holocaust in its commemoration tomorrow and the extraordinary Turkish documentary has provoked not a word of criticism among European governments, least of all the British. It claims that Armenian killings of Turkish civilians near Van - when Russian troops captured the Anatolian city from its Turkish defenders at the start of the Armenian Holocaust in 1915 - constitutes the real first genocide of the past century.

Armenians under siege in Van did indeed murder Turks at this time but on nothing like the scale of the massacres visited upon the Armenians in subsequent months. It is as if German television were to produce a documentary claiming that Jewish resistance to Nazi Germany in the Warsaw Ghetto was more important than the mass murder of six million Jews. But the TRT documentary has gone ahead, accompanied by an English commentary, without criticism.

During the First World War, the Foreign Office published a massive book detailing the systematic murder of hundreds of thousands of Armenian men and women, the rape of thousands of girls and the massacre of children at the hands of Ottoman Turkish police and militia. Convoys of women and children were driven into the Syrian desert to die of starvation or mass rape. In one case, the Turks forced thousands of Armenians into caves and then asphyxiated them with smoke from fires - the world's first gas chambers. Hitler, planning his genocide of Europe's Jews, was later to ask his Wehrmacht generals, "Who now remembers the Armenians?" Winston Churchill, a minister of Britain's First World War government, referred to the Armenian massacres as a "holocaust".

The Home Office originally rejected the inclusion of the Armenians in tomorrow's Holocaust Day - a British civil servant at one point referred to their genocide in the context of other historical "tragedies" such as the Crusades, a remark condemned as "disgraceful" by a leading Armenian official in France - although the Government has now decided to invite 20 Armenians, including two 1915 massacre survivors, to attend the British ceremonies. Turkey's response can only be imagined. Although President Clinton persuaded the US House of Representatives not to accept the facts of the the Armenian holocaust - with an extraordinary warning that American lives may be at risk in Turkey if the truth was acknowledged - the French Parliament passed a Bill this month that recognised theArmenian slaughter as genocide.

In response, Turkey turned with fury upon France's economic interests. While French consulates in Turkey were besieged by demonstrators condemning France's recognition of the "alleged genocide", the Turkish Defence Ministry on Tuesday scrapped a $149m (£93m) deal with the French company Alcatel to build and launch a remote sensing spy satellite.

Turkey's Defence Minister, Sabahattin Cakmakoglu, reacting to what he called "undeserved allegations against Turkey", has also announced that France's Giat Industries, which builds the Leclerc tank, will be excluded from a $7bn contract to furnish the Turkish army with 250 tanks.

America, Germany and Ukraine - none of whom has dared to dispute Turkey's version of the Armenian holocaust - now have a better chance of winning the huge contract.

It was a Jewish writer who invented the word "genocide" to describe the Armenian massacres. Even German officers training the Turkish army in 1915 condemned the atrocities that they witnessed. Ironically, Turkey's most prominent ally in the Middle East today - where survivors of the world's greatest Holocaust still live - is Israel.

Seshmeister
12-04-2004, 08:37 PM
The Boer war was 15 years before that.

Nickdfresh
12-04-2004, 09:00 PM
Originally posted by Seshmeister
The Boer war was 15 years before that.

But you guys didn't kill millions.

Viking
12-04-2004, 09:09 PM
It's mind-boggling that there are some people out there that swear that the Holocaust never even occurred.........

Nickdfresh
12-04-2004, 10:35 PM
Originally posted by Viking
It's mind-boggling that there are some people out there that swear that the Holocaust never even occurred.........

Welcome to the world of David Irving. British author and "historian" that has decided that the Holocaust never took place since there are no specific Nazi documents that expressly speak of a "Holocaust" occuring. He's a total fucking cunt. He has a "Fuhrer" fetish that is quit disturbing and borders on homoerotic idolitary.

His site: [/URL]

Site by those that also think he is an apologist cunt that is full of shit:

[URL=http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/i/irving-david/] (http://www.fpp.co.uk/)

Seshmeister
12-04-2004, 11:04 PM
It's actually illegal to say that in Germany.

You can be put in jail.

Viking
12-04-2004, 11:42 PM
David Irving can go pound sand up his ass with a sharp stick. I think there are several million dead Jews that would like to enlighten him, would they have the chance.