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lucky wilbury
12-14-2004, 12:31 PM
http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/w-me/2004/dec/14/121402857.html


Abbas Calls for End of Armed Uprising
By GAVIN RABINOWITZ
ASSOCIATED PRESS

JERUSALEM (AP) -

1213israelpal The armed uprising against Israel is a mistake and must end, interim Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas said in an interview published Tuesday, signaling his determination to change direction after Yasser Arafat's death.

Palestinian militants have enjoyed broad support among Palestinians during more than four years of conflict with Israel. Abbas' affirmation of a somewhat unpopular view comes at the height of his campaign for Palestinian Authority president.

Abbas is the frontrunner in the Jan. 9 election to succeed Arafat as Palestinian Authority president. Abbas, a pragmatist, has the support of Israel and the international community.

While Arafat was still alive, Abbas told associates in closed-door meetings that he felt the uprising was a mistake, but rarely spoke out in public. When Abbas criticized the armed uprising during the launch of the U.S.-backed "road map" peace plan in 2003, he drew sharp condemnation at home.

In an interview with the London-based Arabic newspaper Asharq al-Awsat published Tuesday, Abbas said Palestinians should resist Israeli occupation without resorting to violence.

It is important to "keep the uprising away from arms because the uprising is a legitimate right of the people to express their rejection of the occupation by popular and social means," Abbas said.

"Using the weapons was harmful and has got to stop," Abbas said, referring to shootings and bombings by Palestinian militants that have killed hundreds of Israelis since the outbreak of fighting in September 2000.

Israel has said violence must end before peace talks can resume.

On Monday, Israeli Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz said that if the Palestinians work to quell the violence, Israel could coordinate its planned withdrawal from the Gaza Strip and four West Banks settlements with the new Palestinian leadership.

Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon refused to negotiate with Arafat, accusing him of fomenting violence. Israel is keeping its distance from Abbas ahead of the election, not wanting to hurt his chances.

Mofaz also said that if the Palestinians reorganize their security services Israel would be willing to give them control over large areas of Gaza and parts of the West Bank before the pullout.

But Abbas said that currently Palestinian security is in a state of chaos.

"Frankly, the Palestinian (security) apparatus needs discipline. There is security chaos, that's why were demanding and are seeking to unify the security apparatus," Abbas told Asharq al-Awsat.

Abbas also said he was in talks with the militant Islamic groups, Hamas and Islamic Jihad, to bring them into the framework of the PLO, an umbrella group for Palestinian parties.

However, Abbas' efforts to persuade the militants to halt attacks on Israelis in the run-up to the vote suffered a setback Sunday when Hamas and a Fatah offshoot dug a tunnel under an Israeli post on the Gaza-Egypt border, blowing it up and killing five Israeli soldiers.

Militants in Gaza have also fired repeated barrages of rockets and mortars at Jewish settlements in the last week.

Israel's response has been muted. The military apparently fears that a large-scale operation could jeopardize the Palestinian elections with the blame laid at Israel's door.

Israel has continued targeting militants with smaller raids and military officials said Tuesday that Mofaz ordered the army to step up its targeted attacks against Palestinians responsible for digging the tunnels, which are also used to smuggle weapons into Gaza.

Violence in Gaza continued Tuesday, with Israeli troops moving into the Khan Younis refugee camp and demolishing eight homes before withdrawing. There were no casualties.

Palestinian officials said about 45 people were ordered out of their homes before the structures were destroyed.

The army said the area was used by militants as a staging ground for launching mortar attacks against nearby settlements.

During more than four years of violence, Israeli troops have demolished hundreds of Palestinian homes and buildings, saying the structures are used for cover by Palestinian militants. Palestinians, U.N. officials and human rights groups say the demolitions have left thousands of people homeless.

Also Tuesday, Israeli troops in the West Bank city of Hebron demolished two houses and sealed the office of an Islamic charity charged of aiding militants and their families

Troops raised the homes of two Hamas members accused of carrying out a number of shooting attacks in the area, the army and residents said.

The army also routinely destroys the homes of Palestinians militants, hoping it will act as a deterrent.

ODShowtime
12-14-2004, 02:13 PM
Originally posted by lucky wilbury
The armed uprising against Israel is a mistake and must end, interim Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas said in an interview published Tuesday, signaling his determination to change direction after Yasser Arafat's death.

He's history. There is no way he'll survive until the election. I wish him luck though.

lucky wilbury
12-14-2004, 03:00 PM
he'll make it. he's untouchable. no one who wants to live will take a shot at him.

Nickdfresh
12-14-2004, 03:05 PM
Originally posted by lucky wilbury
he'll make it. he's untouchable. no one who wants to live will take a shot at him.

Unfortunately some of those people don't seem to want to live.

ODShowtime
12-14-2004, 03:06 PM
Originally posted by lucky wilbury
he'll make it. he's untouchable. no one who wants to live will take a shot at him.

Really? I see things in the complete opposite. I guess I don't understand the power structure over there. Go figure.

Lucky, do you feel that Arafat really was the main person pushing violence and that the vocal, in power majority of Palestinians don't support the uprising?

I had assumed things had deteriorated so badly over there that the mob was a bunch of blood thirsty animals. Not to look down on those people, but that really is all they know. Death and destruction.

lucky wilbury
12-14-2004, 03:19 PM
arafat ruled that area with an iron fist. its a very small area and their "security forces" are and were inteligence officers all filtering back to arafat. hamas and islamic jihad are all arafats people. ever notice that when arrafat calls for a crackdown all of a sudden they can find these terrorists and terrorism stops but when he doesn't they all seem to just dissapear and bombing happen one after another? look at the attack on the state department people. a 500+ pound bomb that was buried in the road goes off under their car yet no one knows who did it. yeah right. no one saw anything. look at it this way it's literally like the mob was over here. no family makes a move with out the head one approving thats what it's like over their. i say no one will take a shot at abbas because the world is watching. hamas,islamic jihad hezbullah has support amoung european nations. hell france just listed islamic jihad a terrorist group 20 years after they killed french troops. the french even allow hamas tv station to be beemed into france. it would be a bad pr move for anyone to take a real shot at him.

Nickdfresh
12-14-2004, 03:51 PM
Let's hope.

BigBadBrian
12-14-2004, 07:10 PM
Originally posted by lucky wilbury

In an interview with the London-based Arabic newspaper Asharq al-Awsat published Tuesday, Abbas said Palestinians should resist Israeli occupation without resorting to violence.

It is important to "keep the uprising away from arms because the uprising is a legitimate right of the people to express their rejection of the occupation by popular and social means," Abbas said.

"Using the weapons was harmful and has got to stop," Abbas said, referring to shootings and bombings by Palestinian militants that have killed hundreds of Israelis since the outbreak of fighting in September 2000.



This guy knows how to do what Arafat didn't...win against a more powerful opponent in a fourth generation warfare environment.

Israel has constantly had to fight to exist and has always been viewed by the world as the underdog. It has always been viewed very favorably up until the "Uprisings" of the Palestinians under their control. The Palestinians had the PR advantage after the first Intifada in 1987. The world saw them as an oppressed people battling with rocks and stones against gun-toting Israelis. Arafat, despite what he claimed, had nothing to do with it. Although leader of the Palestinians, he was simply along for the ride. A network of un-named national leaders commanded the Intifada.

The second Intifada, known as the al-Aqsa Intifada, was handled more directly by Arafat. He screwed the pooch for his own side. He threw any advantage the Palestinians they had right into the crapper. We all saw the bombings on the news almost on a weekly or monthly basis. He outright called for an end for Israel to exist. We all know that is simply not going to happen. He lost lost all credibility and so did his cause. Worst of all, world opinion shifted back toward the Israeli side, at least for the most part.

By taking a more moderate approach and hoping to get world opinion back in favor of the Palestinians, which is absolutely crucial in the modern era, Abbas hopes to swing the pendulum back to his cause. He may well succeed.

DEMON CUNT
12-15-2004, 02:13 AM
Originally posted by BigBadBrian
By taking a more moderate approach and hoping to get world opinion back in favor of the Palestinians, which is absolutely crucial in the modern era, Abbas hopes to swing the pendulum back to his cause. He may well succeed.

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BigBadBrian
12-15-2004, 07:22 AM
:)