Rumsfeld caught lying

[Seshmeister]

Pretty funny...

http://www.moveon.org/censure/caughtonvideo/

[FORD]

There you have it. Direct evidence that Rummy lied and his lies resulted in the deaths of over 1300 Americans and 100,000 Iraqis.

Is that a little more serious than a blow job, Busheep?

Fire the fucking bastard, and then dig up the evidence on the next one, and then the one after that until they're all gone.

[Nickdfresh]

Rumsfeld caught with his dick in his hand again. Go figure, but he's more competent than Cohen!

[Seshmeister]

"While I have not individually signed each one, in the interest of ensuring expeditious contact with grieving family members, I have directed that in the future I sign each letter"

The American secretary of defence, Donald Rumsfeld, who used a mechanical signature writer to sign his name on letters of condolence to relatives of soldiers killed in Iraq and Afghanistan

Unfuckingbelievable.

If my kid had been killed and I heard that statement I would want to kick his fucking head in.

Actually my kid wasn't and I still want to.

The UK guy Geoff Hoon is a fucking useless little cocksucker too.

I don't know how we managed to end up at war while we have the shittiest Defence Secretaries that the world of politics could fart out.

On second thoughts actually that explains it a bit.

[Nickdfresh]

Hey, "transforming" the military requires technological innovation! Using a signature machine saves loads of time and saves wear and tear on Rummy's arthritic mits!

And we all know Rummy is about the wiz-bang techno-tanks, laser guided weapons and the like, not the people that operate them. Weapon systems FIRST, PEOPLE SECOND!

Rummy should be given honorary "Cunt of the Year" status!


THE TRANSFORMER!
http://vakuumtv.c3.hu/collection/robotfilm/transformer.gif

[DEMON CUNT]

BETTER THAN PORN!

[Big Train]

NICE editing...way to let the man respond. Let it run another 30 seconds I'm sure something more intelligent would have come out. The argument was the intelligence was bad. Apparently nobody wants to accept that. So be it..

[DEMON CUNT]

Originally posted by Big Train
NICE editing...way to let the man respond. Let it run another 30 seconds I'm sure something more intelligent would have come out. The argument was the intelligence was bad. Apparently nobody wants to accept that. So be it..

Are you really going to defend all of that?

"Rumsfeld is my name, selling weapons is my game!"
http://cnparm.home.texas.net/911/Backg/Rumsfeld-Saddam.jpg

[Tyrone Biggums]

I'm a spineless unemployed Dutch Bitch



Enjoy Yourself, Freaks, while I'm sitting on my ass with my Green card collecting unemployment and wanking off to Panda Porn!

:cool:

[Viking]

Originally posted by Big Train:

Let it run another 30 seconds I'm sure something more intelligent would have come out.

BT, you presume that the street-level, knee-jerk liberatti would have enough intelligence to allow Rumsfeld's statement to run in it's entirety. You must realize, my boy, that a good deal of these lemmings live in their mother's basement - or wish they did, would their mothers have the stomach to endure their antisocial, neurochemically-deficient proclivities. These are people that are lost; they cling to the most vacuous tendril of input that could give their vapid, empty existence some sort of rudimentary meaning. It is easier (and less emotionally taxing) for them to take a misstatement by the Secretary of Defense as a validation of their entire existential construct, than it is for them to say, 'Ooops, Rummy fucked up'.

You're dealing with a bunch of nuts, OK? Remember what they say about engaging in a battle of wits with an unarmed man. That's why I don't jack up my blood pressure in here any more. It's too much fun to just pop in and chum the waters. ROTFLMFAO :D

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by Viking
Originally posted by Big Train:


BT, you presume that the street-level, knee-jerk liberatti would have enough intelligence to allow Rumsfeld's statement to run in it's entirety. You must realize, my boy, that a good deal of these lemmings live in their mother's basement - or wish they did, would their mothers have the stomach to endure their antisocial, neurochemically-deficient proclivities.

Seriously, does it REALLY help you Cath to think of us all that way?

What if we're happily retired, quite well off, and socially active/normal with varying business interests? then what?

What happens to your argument THEN?

Perhaps, just PERHAPS [stay with me] WE actually have FOLLOWED his every move out of pure disbelief, and come to the rather sane conclusion that HE'S AN AMORAL PIECE OF SHIT WHO SHOULD BE FROG MARCHED INTO OPEN COURT AND TRIED LIKE THE CRIMINAL HE IS.

To say he's incompetent is an understatement.


But when you lump and denegrate those of us who LOATHE this man's action and words all into the same neat "mom's basement" group, your stand loses all cred with me.

Most of us in here who hate Rummy don't fall neatly into your basket.


sorry

[LoungeMachine]

sorry Viking

not Cath.

im a moron

[Catfish]

I can understand how this is fucked, but who cares?

If a soldier's dead he's fucking dead. Who gives a shit about a piece of paper? What, you're going to feel better about your shot-up son because a guy you fuckers hate signed a piece of paper? You guys can be such fucking crybabies!

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by Catfish
I can understand how this is fucked, but who cares?

If a soldier's dead he's fucking dead. Who gives a shit about a piece of paper? What, you're going to feel better about your shot-up son because a guy you fuckers hate signed a piece of paper? You guys can be such fucking crybabies!

Too bad the ignorant aren't the first to go...........

[ODShowtime]

Originally posted by Viking

You must realize, my boy, that a good deal of these lemmings live in their mother's basement - or wish they did, would their mothers have the stomach to endure their antisocial, neurochemically-deficient proclivities. These are people that are lost; they cling to the most vacuous tendril of input that could give their vapid, empty existence some sort of rudimentary meaning.

You're dealing with a bunch of nuts, OK? Remember what they say about engaging in a battle of wits with an unarmed man. That's why I don't jack up my blood pressure in here any more. It's too much fun to just pop in and chum the waters. ROTFLMFAO :D [/B]


Yes, we're all a bunch of morons and you're just in here laughing at us. Get over yourself.:rolleyes:

[Catfish]

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
Too bad the ignorant aren't the first to go...........

Oh, I forgot. I'm ignorant because I use bad words.

So what are you saying, dude? You want me to die?

I hope you get hit by a fucking bus tomorrow and your sister, too!

[Seshmeister]

Wow!

I should be used to it by now but it still amazes me that no matter what these people do some of you will stick up for them.

It's fucking politics as sport. I'm with this team so I have to justify absolutely anything they do.

I wonder if they would do the same back...

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by Seshmeister
Wow!

I should be used to it by now but it still amazes me that no matter what these people do some of you will stick up for them.

It's fucking politics as sport. I'm with this team so I have to justify absolutely anything they do.

I wonder if they would do the same back...

Not ONLY will they stick up for these idiots in the administration, they'll call you every name in the book should you DARE to question the bullshit coming from them.

The emperor has no clothes means NOTHING to them.

Yer either wit us, er agin' us.


Bring 'em on

[Catfish]

There's nothing party lines about it. There are plenty of things I don't like about the current admin. I just laugh when the liberals NEVER bitch about the shit their party does and find ANYTHING to cry over with the 'Pubs.

I mean seriously--a piece of fucking paper, Sesh...

Wipe your ass with it. Who cares?

[Seshmeister]

It's not even the not signing thing, which you think he could maybe take one minute a day to sign the five bits of paper to make some folk feel slightly less bad and kid themselves that their next of kins death served some purpose.

It's using corporate wankspeak like "in the interest of ensuring expeditious contact with grieving family members".

What in the name of cunt?

Cheers!

:gulp:

[Catfish]

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
Not ONLY will they stick up for these idiots in the administration, they'll call you every name in the book should you DARE to question the bullshit coming from them.

The emperor has no clothes means NOTHING to them.

Yer either wit us, er agin' us.


Bring 'em on

WAAAAAAA they're name callers WAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!WAAAAA they'll call you names WAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!! WAAAAA they'll call you names WAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!

[Catfish]

Originally posted by Seshmeister
It's not even the not signing thing, which you think he could maybe take one minute a day to sign the five bits of paper to make some folk feel slightly less bad and kid themselves that their next of kins death served some purpose.

It's using corporate wankspeak like "in the interest of ensuring expeditious contact with grieving family members".

What in the name of cunt?

Cheers!

:gulp:

Won't argue there! He's a stubborn old cunt, that Rummy!

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by Seshmeister
It's not even the not signing thing, which you think he could maybe take one minute a day to sign the five bits of paper to make some folk feel slightly less bad and kid themselves that their next of kins death served some purpose.

It's using corporate wankspeak like "in the interest of ensuring expeditious contact with grieving family members".

What in the name of cunt?

Cheers!

:gulp:

He/She will never understand what we're talking about Sesh.

If it was someone he loved, he'd be fucking outraged.

If he was even REMOTELY connected to what is going on in this Administration he'd be disgusted.

It's easier to tell you to "wipe your ass" with it.

mindblowing.

[Catfish]

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
He/She will never understand what we're talking about Sesh.

If it was someone he loved, he'd be fucking outraged.

If he was even REMOTELY connected to what is going on in this Administration he'd be disgusted.

It's easier to tell you to "wipe your ass" with it.

mindblowing.

WAAAAAA!!!!WAAAAAA!!!!

You're your favorite word--Ignorant. Not that it's any of your business, but my cousin and good friend is leaving for Iraq in January, shithead. I know EXACTLY what's going on. I'm worried about him coming back not any petty shit.

Go suck your brother's cum out of your mom's gash with a plunger, bitch!

[DLR'sCock]

Eh', most of you are pieces of shit(or perhaps selfish fools, maybe the same) and your day will come....karma has it's way of coming around and teaching one a lesson...people that so easily spill the blood of others shouldn't look too far from themselves...

[Big Train]

What the fuck guys...all I said was NICE editing. Did you listen to it? They catch the guy backpedaling a bit and forming his thoughts for 30 seconds and you guys take it as proof positive of everything that's ever gone wrong in the history of the universe.

Sesh and anyone else who's interested in what I'm ACTUALLY saying, I'm not defending him or attacking him, I just merely find it amusing and entertaining the horribly bad editing of that clip. The editor must of studied at the Michael Moore Center for the Truth and got a doctorate.

[NightProwler]

rummy actually telling the truth would have been far more newsworthy.

[BigBadBrian]

Duplicate Thread, Ford

[Katydid]

Here is what the great??? SESHMEISTER does when he isn't acting holier than thou....OH, he also posts donkeys fing women, and dogs...and Jesus making a child give him a blowjob with animation....

I say get a new webmaster...not someone who loves to haze and spam unmercifully.

http://www.rotharmy.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=342981#post342981

[whodat]

moveon.org? re you serious..the left wing slant..propoganda

[Cathedral]

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
sorry Viking

not Cath.

im a moron

LMMFAO, I was wondering what the hell that was all about.

I don't like Rummy, never have, and wish he would resign.

[Jickson]

Originally posted by Catfish
Oh, I forgot. I'm ignorant because I use bad words.

So what are you saying, dude? You want me to die?

I hope you get hit by a fucking bus tomorrow and your sister, too! I think he's referring to your lack of empathy. Sorry if you don't feel anything for people that are close to you. Let alone your children. (Lord, please don't let him reproduce) it isn't the foul language that indicates ignorance, it's the blatant lack of sympathy. Douchebag.

[flappo]

Originally posted by Katydid
Here is what the great??? SESHMEISTER does when he isn't acting holier than thou....OH, he also posts donkeys fing women, and dogs...and Jesus making a child give him a blowjob with animation....

I say get a new webmaster...not someone who loves to haze and spam unmercifully.

http://www.rotharmy.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=342981#post342981

come and register at www.diamonddavidleeroth.com

i fucking dare ya !

:D

[Jickson]

Originally posted by Viking
Originally posted by Big Train:


BT, you presume that the street-level, knee-jerk liberatti would have enough intelligence to allow Rumsfeld's statement to run in it's entirety. You must realize, my boy, that a good deal of these lemmings live in their mother's basement - or wish they did, would their mothers have the stomach to endure their antisocial, neurochemically-deficient proclivities. These are people that are lost; they cling to the most vacuous tendril of input that could give their vapid, empty existence some sort of rudimentary meaning. It is easier (and less emotionally taxing) for them to take a misstatement by the Secretary of Defense as a validation of their entire existential construct, than it is for them to say, 'Ooops, Rummy fucked up'.

You're dealing with a bunch of nuts, OK? Remember what they say about engaging in a battle of wits with an unarmed man. That's why I don't jack up my blood pressure in here any more. It's too much fun to just pop in and chum the waters. ROTFLMFAO :D Simply dropping $100 words does not make your statement any closer to true. Just go back to masturbating to images of Ann Coulter. You can find blame with her for all that has gone wrong with your life. That's the beauty of being a republican. You take no responsibility for your failures, be they financial, emotional, whatever. You always have your liberals, impoverished and educated to blame. Honestly I wouldn't trust the sanity of anyone who weilded the type of power that people like Rumfeld do. When it all comes down to it. Your motivation is flawed from the start because it is rooted in bitterness and sadism. I hope you enjoyed your laugh... at your own statement, that went nowhere.

[Seshmeister]

Originally posted by whodat
moveon.org? re you serious..the left wing slant..propoganda

Are you saying they doctored the video?

Who cares where the file is hosted.

[Big Train]

Originally posted by Jickson
Simply dropping $100 words does not make your statement any closer to true. Just go back to masturbating to images of Ann Coulter. You can find blame with her for all that has gone wrong with your life. That's the beauty of being a republican. You take no responsibility for your failures, be they financial, emotional, whatever. You always have your liberals, impoverished and educated to blame. Honestly I wouldn't trust the sanity of anyone who weilded the type of power that people like Rumfeld do. When it all comes down to it. Your motivation is flawed from the start because it is rooted in bitterness and sadism. I hope you enjoyed your laugh... at your own statement, that went nowhere.

I thought what he had to say was well stated. Guess we are all a bunch of failures like you say....such is life.

[Big Train]

Originally posted by Seshmeister
Are you saying they doctored the video?

Who cares where the file is hosted.

Not doctored, just liberal (pun intended) use of "selective editing". By not allowing the man to respond, it implies he had NO response.

The location of where the file is hosted IS somewhat important..

[Seshmeister]

Everyone knows what his response is gonna be.

Bumbling politician speak that you see every day on every program when they don't want to answer a straight question.

He was completely caught and if you don't believe that look at his expression...

Cheers!

:gulp:

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Big Train
Not doctored, just liberal (pun intended) use of "selective editing". By not allowing the man to respond, it implies he had NO response.

The location of where the file is hosted IS somewhat important..

Funny, when I rebut Lucky Wilbury's sources, it never seems to matter (i.e. WorldnetDaily).

[Big Train]

Who is saying he WASN"T caught off guard? Obviously, he was. Equally as obvious, in that clip, the editors cut it off BEFORE he could respond.

Nick, of course it matters. We generally don't take serious the sites that are "associated" with our respective parties. Yet we quote them all the time to prove our points.

[Seshmeister]

I can never get used to the American need to stick up for their politicians no matter what.

I think it's maybe something to do with the primaries thing where you have to give allegiance to one party or the other.

Either way it's sad and leads to them getting away with more shit than they should.

[Big Train]

I guess it is american to call bullshit when you see it, so I do.

As I have said REPEATEDLY now, I'm neither defending nor attacking him. I am merely calling into question the editing of the clip. Interpret how you see fit I suppose. I guess you can't call bullshit on editorial perspectives, only people.

[Seshmeister]

Originally posted by Big Train
I guess it is american to call bullshit when you see it.


Fuck, I wish!:)

[DEMON CUNT]

Originally posted by Big Train
I guess it is american to call bullshit when you see it, so I do.

As I have said REPEATEDLY now, I'm neither defending nor attacking him. I am merely calling into question the editing of the clip. Interpret how you see fit I suppose. I guess you can't call bullshit on editorial perspectives, only people.

The issue at hand here is the credibility of Heir Rumsfeld. Not the particulars editing style.

[Nickdfresh]

Face The Nation is not associated with the DNC! Rumsfeld is the press conference "Spin Master General!" And if the same thing happened to Clinton, you would never stop gloating, even four years after he was out of office!

Edit it how they want, but Rumsfeld made a categorical bullshit statement while attempting to duck accountability and was categorically OWNED regarding said statement on national Sunday morning TV. Rummy churns my fucking stomach!

[scorpioboy33]

Originally posted by Big Train
I guess it is american to call bullshit when you see it, so I do.

As I have said REPEATEDLY now, I'm neither defending nor attacking him. I am merely calling into question the editing of the clip. Interpret how you see fit I suppose. I guess you can't call bullshit on editorial perspectives, only people.

B.T. was the guy caught in a lie or not?

[Big Train]

Fuck if I know, the EDITING wouldn't allow me to see his response...


The particulars of the editing style ARE the issue for me Cunt, as I was not allowed to see his full response. How do I know he was caught in a lie when the clip won't show me whether or not that's true. The EDITING makes the asseration he lied, but without being able to actually SEE for myself, I am not able to make my own determination. Why is that so hard to understand?

[scorpioboy33]

man dude....Im sorry you just don't see it *shrugs

[ODShowtime]

Train, what possible explanation could he have for the boldface lie he was caught in? I'm disappointing in you for even trying to explain this god-forsaken lying, profiteering sack of shit. Fuck him and his family.

I know you don't care what I think about you, but really, just give it a rest. He's human filth and it's an idictment of every one of us and our entire system of gov't that he is allowed to remain in office.

[DEMON CUNT]

Originally posted by Big Train
Fuck if I know, the EDITING wouldn't allow me to see his response...


The particulars of the editing style ARE the issue for me Cunt, as I was not allowed to see his full response. How do I know he was caught in a lie when the clip won't show me whether or not that's true. The EDITING makes the asseration he lied, but without being able to actually SEE for myself, I am not able to make my own determination. Why is that so hard to understand?

It's Rumsfeld for Christsakes! What do you expect? Some articulate explanation as to why he was caught contradicting himself? He was busted.

For instance, if you were to accuse me of shitting in BigBlandBrian's mouth. I would, of course, deny such allegations. BUT, you whip out some footage of BigBlandBrian ravenously snacking on hot poop fresh from my ass. I would be busted. What could I say that would change the facts? Nothing.

[Big Train]

Originally posted by scorpioboy33
man dude....Im sorry you just don't see it *shrugs

Yea, guy man dude, it really sucks I just don't see it...

[Big Train]

Originally posted by ODShowtime
Train, what possible explanation could he have for the boldface lie he was caught in? I'm disappointing in you for even trying to explain this god-forsaken lying, profiteering sack of shit. Fuck him and his family.

I know you don't care what I think about you, but really, just give it a rest. He's human filth and it's an idictment of every one of us and our entire system of gov't that he is allowed to remain in office.

Your absolutely right I could give a fuck less what anyone thinks of me. Again, WHAT THE FUCK, HELLO, I'm not defending or attacking him (for the fourth time now, please read and understand that statement), I just think it is unfair the way the clip was edited.

Give it a rest? All due respect, fuck you. Do I tell you to give anything you rant about a rest?

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by Big Train
Your absolutely right I could give a fuck less what anyone thinks of me. Again, WHAT THE FUCK, HELLO, I'm not defending or attacking him (for the fourth time now, please read and understand that statement), I just think it is unfair the way the clip was edited.

Give it a rest? All due respect, fuck you. Do I tell you to give anything you rant about a rest?

Is it just me, or did the Army Neo-Cons all wake up on the wrong side of the crypt today?

Could the fact that Rummy is starting to unravel like a cheap sweater be getting to them?


By the way, isnt it fascinating that Rummy's 2 major fuck ups of late seem to be because he wasnt quite PREPARED?

Rummy unprepared

Now there's a headline

[Big Train]

Lounge, exactly what are you driving at? I'm just responding to the posts directed at me.

I see the army libs are out fishing today..

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by Big Train
Lounge, exactly what are you driving at? I'm just responding to the posts directed at me.

I see the army libs are out fishing today..

Chumming the waters to quote Cathedral

It just seems you and BBB are both a little defensive and quick on the trigger today.

You're not your happy, confident, Neo-selves

Just an observation, put the gun down.:D

[Big Train]

Not at all. Just felt particular comments were a little outof line, so I responded accordingly. It's not some edict from HQ, rest assured.

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by Big Train
Not at all. Just felt particular comments were a little outof line, so I responded accordingly. It's not some edict from HQ, rest assured. :D

[ODShowtime]

Originally posted by Big Train
Your absolutely right I could give a fuck less what anyone thinks of me. Again, WHAT THE FUCK, HELLO, I'm not defending or attacking him (for the fourth time now, please read and understand that statement), I just think it is unfair the way the clip was edited.

Give it a rest? All due respect, fuck you. Do I tell you to give anything you rant about a rest?

constantly.

You ARE defending him because it doesn't fuckin' matter what he says afterwards. Sure they cut him off before his reply, because it's just more BS. It's just more lies. You don't understand that noce caught in lies people don't deserve to be heard again. You don't understand this facet of human nature. You need to wise the fuck up.


Fuck me? good. I like seeing you annoyed because it means you're on the ropes. You're man is a fuckin bum and you and the cons will be paying for his many mistakes along with us reality based people. It's gonna be your fault and everyrone like you that should have woken up by now.

fuck me? fuck you buddy.

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by Big Train
Fuck if I know, the EDITING wouldn't allow me to see his response...




Damn that Liberal media and their anti-rummy bias...........

[Big Train]

Originally posted by ODShowtime
constantly.

You ARE defending him because it doesn't fuckin' matter what he says afterwards. Sure they cut him off before his reply, because it's just more BS. It's just more lies. You don't understand that noce caught in lies people don't deserve to be heard again. You don't understand this facet of human nature. You need to wise the fuck up.


Fuck me? good. I like seeing you annoyed because it means you're on the ropes. You're man is a fuckin bum and you and the cons will be paying for his many mistakes along with us reality based people. It's gonna be your fault and everyrone like you that should have woken up by now.

fuck me? fuck you buddy.

Exactly, fuck you. I'm just growing tired of you explaining to me "What I don't understand". I don't need your talking down to me, ok? That's what I'm annoyed about.

Apparently, agreeing with you equals waking up. Reality based...I love it.

I'm not defending him here. He defends himself. If it turns out he has doing something horribly wrong, I'll be the first to say let's string him up. All I'm saying is let's be fair about it and let the man respond. The same thing I would advocate if it were a liberal. But I suppose you smell blood, so basic rules of conduct are out the window (the same ones you'd be first in line to bitch about it, if it were someone on the Dem side).

[ODShowtime]

Originally posted by Big Train
Exactly, fuck you. I'm just growing tired of you explaining to me "What I don't understand". I don't need your talking down to me, ok? That's what I'm annoyed about.

Apparently, agreeing with you equals waking up. Reality based...I love it.

Dude, if you don't understand about INTEGRITY then you need someone to explain it to you.

1. When people get caught lying you don't trust them anymore.

2. When you can't trust them, they shouldn't be leaders.

It's a basic rule of humanity. Let's go over the exchange:

rummy : I never said Iraq was an "immediate threat."

some guy: Here's an exact quote: rummy "Iraq is an immediate threat"

What could he possibly say to defend himself? I understand you like to play devil's advocate, but in this case there's no point.

I know the left is overwhelming in here this week, but that's no need to get all sassed up. It's disrespectful, which my post was not. I love when I'm outnumbered by a bunch of cons. That's when I get hot.

[ODShowtime]

Originally posted by Big Train
If it turns out he has doing something horribly wrong, I'll be the first to say let's string him up.

:confused:

[Big Train]

Originally posted by ODShowtime
Dude, if you don't understand about INTEGRITY then you need someone to explain it to you.

1. When people get caught lying you don't trust them anymore.

2. When you can't trust them, they shouldn't be leaders.

It's a basic rule of humanity. Let's go over the exchange:

rummy : I never said Iraq was an "immediate threat."

some guy: Here's an exact quote: rummy "Iraq is an immediate threat"

What could he possibly say to defend himself? I understand you like to play devil's advocate, but in this case there's no point.

I know the left is overwhelming in here this week, but that's no need to get all sassed up. It's disrespectful, which my post was not. I love when I'm outnumbered by a bunch of cons. That's when I get hot.

We are arguing apples and oranges and that is the part YOU don't seem to understand.That's why I'm all sassed up...

I'm arguing (WHY must I keep repeating myself) about the nature of the clip and you are arguing about the nature of person within the clip.

Yes, your post was disrespectful, as you have a tendency to talk down.

[ODShowtime]

Originally posted by Big Train
We are arguing apples and oranges and that is the part YOU don't seem to understand.That's why I'm all sassed up...


We'll have to culminate with the fact that I don't think this is apples and oranges and you do. I understand the point you are trying to make, but I don't think it's a valid one. I don't FEEL it's a valid point.

[Big Train]

couldnt have said it any better, except to say it is very much valid