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Lincoln
02-05-2004, 09:20 AM
Feb 5, 8:40 AM (ET)

By Patricia Wilson
FLINT, Mich. (Reuters) - Democrat Howard Dean said on Thursday his once high-flying U.S. presidential bid would be over if he did not win the Wisconsin primary on Feb. 17, declaring "the entire race has come down to this."

"We must win Wisconsin," the former Vermont governor said in a memo to supporters. "A win there will carry us to the big states on March 2 -- and narrow the field to two candidates. Anything else will put us out of the race."

In a fund-raising plea, Dean, who spent $40 million on a gamble that he could wrap up the Democratic presidential nomination with early victories in Iowa and New Hampshire, asked supporters for $50 contributions so he could raise $700,000 by Sunday to pay for advertising in Wisconsin.

"We must launch our new television advertisement on Monday in the major markets in Wisconsin," he said. "To do that I need your help."

Dean, the fallen front-runner, has not won any of the nine contests held so far to choose the Democratic challenger to Republican President Bush in November. In Iowa and New Hampshire, he finished far behind U.S. Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts and on Tuesday he did not have a top two result in any of the seven states that held contests.

Voters in South Carolina, New Mexico, Arizona, Delaware, North Dakota, Missouri and Oklahoma rejected Dean and his anti-war, anti-Washington message in favor of Kerry, retired Gen. Wesley Clark or Sen. John Edwards of North Carolina.

After opening the year with all the money and all the momentum, Dean now finds himself in desperate straits, politically and financially. His campaign suspended staff pay briefly and has laid off workers. A new campaign chief, former Washington lobbyist and White House aide Roy Neel, was brought in to right the ship.

DO-OR-DIE IN WISCONSIN

His original strategy in tatters, Dean is making Wisconsin a do-or-die contest.

Between now and then, he hopes to wage a war of political attrition, taking hits in places like Tennessee and Virginia, but chalking up enough delegates to outlast other underdog candidates until Wisconsin votes on Feb. 17.

"We will get a boost this weekend in Washington (state), Michigan and Maine," Dean said. "But the true test will be the Wisconsin primary."

A candidate needs 2,162 delegates to win the nomination. After his string of losses, Dean has focused on amassing delegates and had hoped to hold out until big states like New York and California vote on March 2. In recent days, he vowed to stay in the race "for the long haul."

Dean has admitted to making mistakes. The biggest, he said recently, was responding to Missouri Rep. Richard Gephardt's attacks in Iowa. As they fought over whether or not Dean had advocated cutting Medicare, the federal health program for the elderly, rivals Kerry and Edwards gained in the polls.

Another surprise to the newcomer to presidential politics was the level of scrutiny he received as front-runner. Dean variously blamed his opponents for "walloping" him and the media for piling on. He also complained that his rivals had co-opted his issues.

"It was me that started the backbone transplant for the Democratic Party," he told reporters on his campaign trail. "Now we see the other candidates adopting the message."

link (http://news.myway.com/top/article/id/377343|top|02-05-2004::08:46|reuters.html)

Time is running out for Dean.

FORD
02-05-2004, 01:15 PM
I believe he'll stay in until Super Tuesday at least.

Remember, the real contest here is the number of delegates and in that number, Dean is still in second place, with 90% of the delegates yet unclaimed.

High Life Man
02-05-2004, 01:21 PM
Why even waste the money?

The only place people give a shit about Dean is in the Communist stronghold of Madison.

Cathedral
02-05-2004, 01:45 PM
If he's smart (and i am doubtful) he won't waste time packing his bags.
Kerry is the Dems boy more and more as each day passes.

Hey, isn't the supposed non existant Liberal media responsible for inflating his popularity in the first place?

Kerry did the smartest thing he could possibly do by distancing himself from this "AWOL" charge against Junior. he is questioning it, but he isn't making assinine accusations about it.
And anyway, president Bush will be judged on his job performance instead of history, or the distortion of it...

FORD
02-05-2004, 01:52 PM
And Junior's job performance is SHIT.

Economy still fucked, Osama still at large, No WMD's in Iraq, PNAC still lying, etc.

John Ashcroft
02-05-2004, 02:00 PM
Oh, but Osama will be caught say in... Oh, I don't know... Say September or October?

Cathedral
02-05-2004, 02:02 PM
LMMFAO, I still don't see what you see and have yet to be proven otherwise.
If Bush were truly a criminal he would be prosecuted, No?

If it were at all true, citizens across the country would be lobbying for his prosecution, No?

If i saw proof that was undeniable i would lobby for it myself.
Man, i can't help but think that Liberals underestimate the I.Q. of Republicans.
That is the mistake that has all but killed that party...

FORD
02-05-2004, 02:05 PM
Originally posted by John Ashcroft
Oh, but Osama will be caught say in... Oh, I don't know... Say September or October?

And it doesn't bother you in the least that a guy who supposedly murdered 2700 US Citizens is allowed to run free until his capture is politically expedient?

Or is being held prisoner secretly in order to maintain a phony war on terror in an attempt to secure a "re"election of the BCE.

Or in any case, is supposedly being persued by the son of the man who trained and funded him in the first place, and whose families have been business partners for decades.

None of this concerns you at all?

John Ashcroft
02-05-2004, 03:05 PM
Nope. :D

Dude, this is speculation at it's worst. I don't believe for a second that Osama's being let to live freely as part of a reelection camaign. I mean, if the President were Clinton maybe... But a Republican???

Listen to yourself! You're babbling! You're not making any sense! :rolleyes:

Lincoln
02-05-2004, 03:33 PM
Originally posted by John Ashcroft
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Listen to yourself! You're babbling! You're not making any sense! :rolleyes: [/B]

Is that why Ford likes Dean?

Cathedral
02-05-2004, 05:23 PM
I for one would feel betrayed if Osama was being held in secret just for political purposes and would not vote for anyone on election day.

That would do me in as an Active Voting Republican...as it should any honest voting American.

Then it would be Hello Green Party!

Theoretically speaking of course...

ELVIS
02-05-2004, 06:10 PM
Originally posted by FORD
And Junior's job performance is SHIT.

Economy still fucked

You're insane...

FORD
02-05-2004, 07:43 PM
Originally posted by ELVIS
You're insane...

I'm living in a country full of mindless corporate media brainwashed sheep and the political party I've been an active member of since I was 14 is throwing the game before the first quarter is over. And yet I still remain in both.

If that makes me insane, what the Hell does that make the rest of you who pretend there's nothing wrong?

John Ashcroft
02-05-2004, 08:04 PM
Dude, socialism is dead. You're just gonna have to get used to it.

Why are you so attached anyway? Socialist dictators have filled infinitely more graves with innocents than any imaginary PNAC.

Ally_Kat
02-05-2004, 10:24 PM
Oh, you guys. We evil republicans all know Osama's our campaign mascot. And not only is he going to New Hampshire, he's going to South Carolina and Oklahoma and Arizona and North Dakota and New Mexico, and he's going to California and Texas and New York! And he's going to South Dakota and Oregon and Washington and Michigan. And then he's going to Washington, D.C. to continue control of the White House, Yeeeeeaaaaaah!

rustoffa
02-05-2004, 11:35 PM
Yep,the primal scream of the working man never gets old,but it sure starts to fade.The doctor is out,dollar bills are in.Kerry's power-brokin' his way straight to the nomination,and make no mistake,this is no yee-haw with blood on his hands from muddy arkansas.We done got us an all "skull and bones" contest y'all!

ELVIS
02-06-2004, 07:17 AM
And that's just fine with me...

FORD
02-06-2004, 11:48 AM
I sincerely hope we all survive the next 4 years so you all can regret the moment you threw the last hope of American Democracy away without a fight.

Of course, by then it may be far too late to do anything about it. :(

Ally_Kat
02-06-2004, 01:54 PM
American Democracy is going no where; and no, I'm not going to regret casting my first vote for President. I'm such a dork that I' m actually looking foward to it :D

John Ashcroft
02-06-2004, 03:24 PM
Originally posted by Ally_Kat
Oh, you guys. We evil republicans all know Osama's our campaign mascot. And not only is he going to New Hampshire, he's going to South Carolina and Oklahoma and Arizona and North Dakota and New Mexico, and he's going to California and Texas and New York! And he's going to South Dakota and Oregon and Washington and Michigan. And then he's going to Washington, D.C. to continue control of the White House, Yeeeeeaaaaaah!

Now that was funny sweetheart! :D :D :D

Cathedral
02-06-2004, 06:00 PM
Originally posted by FORD
I sincerely hope we all survive the next 4 years so you all can regret the moment you threw the last hope of American Democracy away without a fight.

Of course, by then it may be far too late to do anything about it. :(

Nice concession speech, Ford...

And before the Democrats even nominate their candidate?

Don't give up the fight man, you have come so far and it's not over until the last precinct reports in.
Of course if you check the record, we Republicans have pretty much been right on everything we have predicted.

That said, I look for it to be an exciting race either way.
Now cheer up and stand your ground like the fighter i know you to be...

rustoffa
02-06-2004, 11:02 PM
Originally posted by Cathedral
Nice concession speech, Ford...

And before the Democrats even nominate their candidate?

Don't give up the fight man, you have come so far and it's not over until the last precinct reports in.
Of course if you check the record, we Republicans have pretty much been right on everything we have predicted.

That said, I look for it to be an exciting race either way.
Now cheer up and stand your ground like the fighter i know you to be...
:D
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Cathedral
02-07-2004, 02:50 AM
LMMFAO...

KANE
02-08-2004, 10:55 PM
He's toast, and a salad shooter also....


















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