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WARF
01-19-2005, 04:48 PM
HOUSTON (AP) -- Roger Clemens asked for a salary that matches his uniform number -- with a bunch of zeros added on.

Clemens filed for a record $22 million in arbitration on Tuesday, and the Houston Astros offered the seven-time Cy Young Award winner $13.5 million.

The Rocket, who helped lead the Astros within one win of their first World Series last season, still has not decided whether to pitch this year or retire.

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``We are proceeding down the arbitration path as if Roger were going to play,'' Clemens' agent, Randy Hendricks, said. ``He has not yet decided whether to play in 2005, but I expect him to do so by Feb. 1 at the latest.''

Clemens, who wears No. 22, would be playing his 22nd major league season.

Until now, the highest figure ever submitted for arbitration was $18.5 million in 2001 by New York Yankees shortstop Derek Jeter, who then agreed to a $189 million, 10-year deal.

The highest salary ever earned by a pitcher in a season was $17.5 million, last year by Boston's Pedro Martinez.

``We looked at what some of the comparables were -- Greg Maddux, Randy Johnson -- and we tried to use those star-quality players to come up with a number,'' Astros general manager Tim Purpura said.

Clemens, 42, left the Yankees after the 2003 season and intended to retire. But after former teammate Andy Pettitte signed with the Astros, Clemens was persuaded to sign with his hometown club.

He took an undermarket deal that guaranteed him $5 million, of which $3.5 million was deferred without interest until July 1, 2006. Clemens earned an additional $1,825,000 in bonuses based on his selection to the NL All-Star team and Houston's home attendance, which was more than 3.3 million, including the postseason.

The $8.5 million spread between his figure and the Astros' was exactly double the previous high in salary arbitration -- the Yankees filed at $14.25 million with Jeter in 2001. The midpoint of $17.75 million is just above the highest listed salary for a pitcher this season -- Randy Johnson's salary with the New York Yankees is calculated at $16.5 million, including a prorated share of the $1 million personal-services contract he agreed to with the Arizona Diamondbacks before he was traded.

Clemens had a remarkable season, going 18-4 with a 2.98 ERA and 218 strikeouts. As he did last winter, he says he is leaning toward retirement but has not ruled out playing.

With the loss of Carlos Beltran to the New York Mets, Purpura realizes that securing Clemens for another year would bolster the Astros' hopes of reaching the playoffs for the sixth time in nine seasons.

``As I've said all along we're going to wait patiently for his answer,'' Purpura said. ``Having Roger Clemens here is very important to the team, the city and the fans. It would be great to have Roger on board.''

Astros outfielder Lance Berkman, who is eligible for free agency after next season, asked for $11 million and the team offered $10 million. The sides might try to work out a multiyear deal. Pitcher Roy Oswalt asked for a raise from $3,425,000 to $7.8 million and was offered $6 million.

Two pitchers asked for more than double what Houston was offering: Tim Redding ($1.4 million vs. $575,000) and Pete Munro ($1.1 million vs. $525,00).

Hearings will be held next month for players who don't agree to settlements.

AP Sports Writer Ronald Blum in New York contributed to this report.

WARF
01-19-2005, 04:49 PM
Rocket the pocket ain't worth that much.... considering Johan Santana our reigning Cy Young winner is only asking for 6.8!

Bill Lumbergh
01-19-2005, 06:09 PM
No fucking way. You just NEVER know at his age. He just won a Cy Young, but he could lose it in a flash.

DLR7884
01-19-2005, 06:11 PM
Not worth it.

The guy only comes to the park when he's starting for Christ's sake.

DLR7884
What a team player!

POJO_Risin
01-19-2005, 06:36 PM
He won't get 22 million...no fucking way.

No player is worth it...but why the fuck not ask for it?

He WAS the team last year...no doubt kept them in it...brought asses to the seats...if nothing else...

but look at the guys' record.

Until someone beats him...or until he loses it...you pay the guy a lot because he's a winner...

just not that much...

redblkwht
01-20-2005, 01:48 AM
Originally posted by DLR7884
Not worth it.

The guy only comes to the park when he's starting for Christ's sake.

DLR7884
What a team player!
Fuck him & his bad attitude, retire already bitch.. i cant stand him.
total jag-off, maybe if he was with the yankees. for 1 season
houston would be on crack if they took that. aint gonna happen.
BUH BYE Roger.

Igosplut
01-20-2005, 07:13 AM
Maybe Stienbrenner will step up and say " You know what Rog, If you want that 22 mil step over here and sign this.."

DLR7884
01-20-2005, 10:10 AM
Originally posted by Igosplut
Maybe Stienbrenner will step up and say " You know what Rog, If you want that 22 mil step over here and sign this.."

I sure as hell hope not.

DLR7884
Aren't the Yankees already over 200 million?

Igosplut
01-20-2005, 05:37 PM
Yep, They pay as much in luxury tax as the lowest-payroll teams......

Va Beach VH Fan
01-20-2005, 08:36 PM
I think he realizes that he won't get 22 million, so he asks for that knowing that it'll end up being around 17 million after arbitration, if it gets that far....

POJO_Risin
01-20-2005, 08:39 PM
Houstan will offer him 17 1/2 soon...and the game will be over...

if they just would have offered him 15 to start...that would have been the end of it...

Again...if there's a pitcher more valuable than Clemens...who is it?

Does he bring folks into the seats? Yep...

Does he win games? Yep...

I just don't see what the big deal is...it's a money game...and he's always been a money pitcher...

ALinChainz
01-21-2005, 12:57 PM
AP NewsBreak: Clemens to play, sets record salary for pitchers

By RONALD BLUM, AP Sports Writer

January 21, 2005


NEW YORK (AP) -- Roger Clemens is coming back for one more year -- and is getting the highest salary for a pitcher in baseball history.

The Rocket and the Houston Astros agreed Friday to an $18 million, one-year contract, and the seven-time Cy Young Award winner made the commitment to play for his 22nd major league season.

Houston called a news conference but did not reveal the subject. A baseball source familiar with the arrangements said it was to announce an agreement with Clemens that would give him a record salary for a pitcher, topping the $17.5 million Pedro Martinez earned with Boston last year in the option year of his contract.

Clemens first retired after pitching for the New York Yankees in the 2003 World Series. But he changed his mind and agreed on Jan. 12 last year to join his hometown Astros, accepting a $5 million, one-year deal that was way below his market price.

The 42-year-old right-hander helped lead the Astros within one win of their first World Series appearance, earning $1,825,000 in bonuses based largely on Houston's home attendance, then said again that he was ``99 percent'' retired.

But momentum built after he returned earlier this month for a Hawaiian vacation, and he asked for $22 million salary -- matching his uniform number -- when proposed figures for salary arbitration were filed Tuesday. Houston offered $13.5 million, leaving the midpoint at $17.75 million.

His agents, Randy and Alan Hendricks, then negotiated the deal with the Astros on Wednesday and Thursday.

Clemens is agreeing to a contract that makes him the highest-paid pitcher for the fifth time, following deals with Boston in 1989 ($2.5 million average), with the Red Sox in 1991 ($5.38 million), with Toronto in December 1996 ($8.25 million) and the Yankees in August 2000 ($15.45 million). The two contracts with Boston and the one with New York made him the sport's highest-paid player overall.

Clemens also is getting the highest, one-year contract in baseball history, topping Greg Maddux's $14.75 million deal with Atlanta in 2003.

His decision to stay is one of the few bright spots in an otherwise miserable offseason for the Astros. All-Star second baseman Jeff Kent left to sign with Los Angeles, All-Star center fielder Carlos Beltran departed to sign with the New York Mets, center fielder Lance Berkman tore up a knee playing flag football at a church function and promising but injured pitcher Wade Miller was let go.

Clemens, a 10-time All-Star, is 10th on the career wins list with 328, one behind Steve Carlton. Clemens' 4,317 strikeouts are second to Nolan Ryan's 5,714.

His decision to sign with Houston last year was spurred by former Yankees teammate Andy Pettitte, who left New York to sign with the Astros. Clemens went 18-4 with a 2.98 ERA and 218 strikeouts, winning his first Cy Young in the NL, but Pettitte hurt an elbow tendon while batting in his first start, was largely ineffective and had season-ending surgery in August.

At $18 million, Clemens tied Sammy Sosa and Barry Bonds for the fourth-highest average salary in the major leagues, trailing only Alex Rodriguez ($25.2 million), Manny Ramirez ($20 million) and Derek Jeter ($18.9 million).

Carmine
01-21-2005, 01:00 PM
18 mill......All I can say is WOW!

Igosplut
01-21-2005, 01:02 PM
Well, They got him for 5 mil last year so that was a deal. now it's balancing out.......

ALinChainz
01-21-2005, 01:05 PM
The Astros haven't had the best off season anyway, they needed him. They will be in full rebuilding mode in a season or two anyway with the age of most of their stars.

redblkwht
01-21-2005, 05:07 PM
I was wrong thought he'd high ball the Stro's then retire..
hope he gets smoked this year, if it his final.
Not worth the dough either.

POJO_Risin
01-22-2005, 04:17 AM
Christ RBW...how can you say the reigning Cy Young winner in the NL isn't worth the dough...when that's what the market dictates?

Call it the Jordan rule...last year...18 million...highest paid pitcher of all time...passing...lmfao...Pedro...his replacement...

seems appropriate...

since you could make a case for Clemens being one of the best ever...

Va Beach VH Fan
01-22-2005, 09:14 AM
Well, losing Beltran and Kent, Berkman having surgery until May, this team could be hurting this year....

ALinChainz
01-22-2005, 12:30 PM
Without Clemens, how much star pull do they have to put asses in those seats.

They HAD to sign Clemens, even at the the big cake.

POJO_Risin
01-22-2005, 03:33 PM
I agree...and you have to think that McLane will at some point add to the pot...
I don't think they'll amount to anything this year...but who knows...maybe not having the stars will make them better...

I know they have a shiteload of payroll wrapped into a bunch of old-timers...

redblkwht
01-26-2005, 12:44 AM
Originally posted by POJO_Risin
Christ RBW...how can you say the reigning Cy Young winner in the NL isn't worth the dough...when that's what the market dictates?

Call it the Jordan rule...last year...18 million...highest paid pitcher of all time...passing...lmfao...Pedro...his replacement...

seems appropriate...

since you could make a case for Clemens being one of the best ever... without beltran they aint going anywhere, old team..now becoming even older. pettites done..IMO-