What kind of "election" is this????

[LoungeMachine]

I'm no expert [just ask ELVIS and BigBLINDBrian], but the more I read about this upcoming Iraqi "election" that the Bush Administration is touting, the more I question it's true purpose.

1 - There are no NAMES of candidates on the Ballots. Only part affiliation symbols

WHAT KIND OF DEMOCRACY WORKS THIS WAY?

2- The 4 provinces filled with the Sunnis arent even going to be able to vote relatively safely, and the Administration IS FINE WITH THIS

IMAGINE IF OHIO, TEXAS, NEVADA, AND NEBRASKA COULDNT VOTE

3- There will be no international election officials monitoring the election

HOW DOES THE WORLD EXPECT TO RECOGNIZE AN ELECTION WITHOUT MONITORS????

4- Does ANYBODY really expect Allawi NOT to win?????

Isnt this just another US puppet government being imposed??

Feel free to tell me how wrong I am.

[ELVIS]

I don't know the details of the process...

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by ELVIS
I don't know the details of the process...


....yet you support our men and women dying for it?????:rolleyes:

[Nickdfresh]

You're not! THis election may spawn more civil war, a little Shiite on Sunni action with the U.S. Military with ring-side seats.

[ELVIS]

You people are incapable of being optimistic about anything...

It's amazing you leave the house to get to work in the morning...

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by ELVIS
You people are incapable of being optimistic about anything...

It's amazing you leave the house to get to work in the morning...

We WERE optomistic, but then we saw through the BULLSHIT

By all means, tell us what to be optomistic about the elections:rolleyes:


No pie in the sky. be realistic for once.

[ELVIS]

Tuesday, January 25, 2005


How Kurds may get their way in long-awaited Iraq election

By Edmund Sanders

Los Angeles Times

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ABPub/2005/01/24/2002159598.jpg

SULAYMANIYAH, Iraq — In this Kurdish mountain capital, pictures of candidates appear in newspapers. Election-day celebrations are being planned. The biggest worry is whether bad weather on Sunday might clog the roads. (A fleet of snow blowers has been readied just in case.)

It's all in stark contrast to the rest of Iraq, where contestants are afraid to be identified, campaigning is underground and millions of voters are expected to steer clear of polls, either in protest or out of fear.

"There's a sense of gathering excitement among the Kurds over elections," said Barham Salih, Iraq's deputy prime minister and one of the highest-ranking Kurds in the current government. "Our aspirations are very high. It's an exciting moment in our history. This is the first time we Kurds have been allowed to take part in deciding the future of Iraq."

Political experts predict that Kurds will emerge as a major winner on election day because of strong voter turnout as a result of better security in their regions and a unified candidate slate that removed any threat of a split Kurdish vote. Kurds may not be the top vote-getters, but they are likely to win a sizable bloc that should give them a key role in selecting the new government.

"The Kurds are really the ones who could come out on top," said Hassan Bazaz, a political analyst at Baghdad University.

Their high prospects mark a stunning turnaround from the recent history of the Kurds, who were brutally oppressed under the previous regime.

Snapshot of Kurds


The Kurds are a distinct ethno-linguist group who have survived centuries of domination by Sumerians, Babylonians, Persians, Romans and Ottomans, generally maintaining some autonomy. After the defeat of the Ottomans in World War I, the great powers, primarily Britain, left Kurds living in three separate states: Iraq, Syria and Turkey.

The great majority of Kurds are Muslim, adhering to a variety of sects, with some Christians. The most famous Kurd in history is Saladin, who led the re-conquest of Jerusalem during the Crusades.

In the 1960s and '70s, the Iraqi government tried to diminish Kurdish influence by moving Arabs into the north. Kurds revolted in 1974 with help from Iran but were crushed when Iran abandoned them in exchange for a favorable redrawing of the border with Iraq. In 1980, Iraq went to war against Iran, which was backed by the Kurds. About 200,000 Kurds were killed, some by chemical weapons. After the 1991 cease-fire in the Gulf War that followed Iraq's invasion of Kuwait, Kurds took advantage of the Shite revolt in the south and rebelled also. Saddam again killed thousands of Kurds until the United Nations established a safe haven, and the U.S. and Britain established a "no-fly" zone, permitting a well-armed resistance against Saddam.

Sources: Kurdish Human Rights Project, The Cultural Orientation Project


Fearful that Kurds might break away from Iraq and suspicious of their ties with the United States and Iran, Saddam Hussein embarked on a devastating campaign of genocide and deportation. Since the early 1990s, Kurds have lived in a semi-autonomous state protected by a U.S.-imposed no-fly zone in the north.
Now Kurds are preparing to resume a major role in Baghdad. At political offices here, officials and strategists are making optimistic back-of-the-envelope calculations. The only dispute seems to be exactly how well Kurds will do.

Nearly everyone here in the Kurdish north of the country expects they will garner at least the second-highest number of seats in the new parliament, perhaps 65-70 of the total 275, or about 25 percent of the assembly. Kurds account for about 15 percent of Iraq's population.

"We expect to do quite well," said Imad Ahmed, the deputy prime minister of Sulaymaniyah province.

One of the leading Shiite slates is expected to capture the No. 1 spot, but the Shiite vote may ultimately split between the United Iraqi Alliance, which is backed by the leading Shiite religious parties, and the Iraqi List, a secular alternative led by Interim Prime Minister Ayad Allawi.

Low turnout in the rest of the country because of violence or fear may also result in a better performance for Kurds.

Either way, the Kurds should be in a strong position to help select the next prime minister, draft the constitution and settle such hotly disputed topics as who will control the disputed oil-rich northern city of Kirkuk.

Other major political parties in Iraq are already courting the Kurds, whose potential bloc of parliament seats will be a vital piece in forming a coalition to control the next government. Under the Transitional Administrative Law, major decisions by the new government will need approval from two-thirds of the assembly. The Kurds are attractive not only because they could be one of the largest blocs but also because their slate will likely be one of the most cohesive.

"The Kurds will be the kingmaker," said Adnan Pachachi, a leading Sunni Arab politician who heads his own slate of candidates.



HADI MIZBAN / AP

An Iraqi street vendor stands in front of a Baghdad wall covered with election posters of cleric Ali al-Sistani. He is the most dominant figure in this weekend's election.

The leading Shiite slate is mindful that the Kurds will be a critical partner after the election.

"We need the Kurds," said Saad Jawad, head of the political bureau of the Supreme Council for Islamic Revolution in Iraq. "We won't need help getting a simple majority of 50 percent. We think we can get that alone. But we will need them to get to the two-thirds majority, which is more important."

Preliminary talks have taken place, but Shiites and Kurds are waiting to see how each does and how much support each brings to the table.


:elvis:

[LoungeMachine]

It's all for the Kurds.

I hope they know how much they owe us.


Asked and answered. Hats off to E.

[ELVIS]

:cool:

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by ELVIS
Tuesday, January 25, 2005


How Kurds may get their way in long-awaited Iraq election

By Edmund Sanders

Los Angeles Times

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ABPub/2005/01/24/2002159598.jpg

SULAYMANIYAH, Iraq — In this Kurdish mountain capital, pictures of candidates appear in newspapers. Election-day celebrations are being planned. The biggest worry is whether bad weather on Sunday might clog the roads. (A fleet of snow blowers has been readied just in case.)

It's all in stark contrast to the rest of Iraq, where contestants are afraid to be identified, campaigning is underground and millions of voters are expected to steer clear of polls, either in protest or out of fear.

"There's a sense of gathering excitement among the Kurds over elections," said Barham Salih, Iraq's deputy prime minister and one of the highest-ranking Kurds in the current government. "Our aspirations are very high. It's an exciting moment in our history. This is the first time we Kurds have been allowed to take part in deciding the future of Iraq."

Political experts predict that Kurds will emerge as a major winner on election day because of strong voter turnout as a result of better security in their regions and a unified candidate slate that removed any threat of a split Kurdish vote. Kurds may not be the top vote-getters, but they are likely to win a sizable bloc that should give them a key role in selecting the new government.

"The Kurds are really the ones who could come out on top," said Hassan Bazaz, a political analyst at Baghdad University.

Their high prospects mark a stunning turnaround from the recent history of the Kurds, who were brutally oppressed under the previous regime.

Snapshot of Kurds


The Kurds are a distinct ethno-linguist group who have survived centuries of domination by Sumerians, Babylonians, Persians, Romans and Ottomans, generally maintaining some autonomy. After the defeat of the Ottomans in World War I, the great powers, primarily Britain, left Kurds living in three separate states: Iraq, Syria and Turkey.

The great majority of Kurds are Muslim, adhering to a variety of sects, with some Christians. The most famous Kurd in history is Saladin, who led the re-conquest of Jerusalem during the Crusades.

In the 1960s and '70s, the Iraqi government tried to diminish Kurdish influence by moving Arabs into the north. Kurds revolted in 1974 with help from Iran but were crushed when Iran abandoned them in exchange for a favorable redrawing of the border with Iraq. In 1980, Iraq went to war against Iran, which was backed by the Kurds. About 200,000 Kurds were killed, some by chemical weapons. After the 1991 cease-fire in the Gulf War that followed Iraq's invasion of Kuwait, Kurds took advantage of the Shite revolt in the south and rebelled also. Saddam again killed thousands of Kurds until the United Nations established a safe haven, and the U.S. and Britain established a "no-fly" zone, permitting a well-armed resistance against Saddam.

Sources: Kurdish Human Rights Project, The Cultural Orientation Project


Fearful that Kurds might break away from Iraq and suspicious of their ties with the United States and Iran, Saddam Hussein embarked on a devastating campaign of genocide and deportation. Since the early 1990s, Kurds have lived in a semi-autonomous state protected by a U.S.-imposed no-fly zone in the north.
Now Kurds are preparing to resume a major role in Baghdad. At political offices here, officials and strategists are making optimistic back-of-the-envelope calculations. The only dispute seems to be exactly how well Kurds will do.

Nearly everyone here in the Kurdish north of the country expects they will garner at least the second-highest number of seats in the new parliament, perhaps 65-70 of the total 275, or about 25 percent of the assembly. Kurds account for about 15 percent of Iraq's population.

"We expect to do quite well," said Imad Ahmed, the deputy prime minister of Sulaymaniyah province.

One of the leading Shiite slates is expected to capture the No. 1 spot, but the Shiite vote may ultimately split between the United Iraqi Alliance, which is backed by the leading Shiite religious parties, and the Iraqi List, a secular alternative led by Interim Prime Minister Ayad Allawi.

Low turnout in the rest of the country because of violence or fear may also result in a better performance for Kurds.

Either way, the Kurds should be in a strong position to help select the next prime minister, draft the constitution and settle such hotly disputed topics as who will control the disputed oil-rich northern city of Kirkuk.

Other major political parties in Iraq are already courting the Kurds, whose potential bloc of parliament seats will be a vital piece in forming a coalition to control the next government. Under the Transitional Administrative Law, major decisions by the new government will need approval from two-thirds of the assembly. The Kurds are attractive not only because they could be one of the largest blocs but also because their slate will likely be one of the most cohesive.

"The Kurds will be the kingmaker," said Adnan Pachachi, a leading Sunni Arab politician who heads his own slate of candidates.



HADI MIZBAN / AP

An Iraqi street vendor stands in front of a Baghdad wall covered with election posters of cleric Ali al-Sistani. He is the most dominant figure in this weekend's election.

The leading Shiite slate is mindful that the Kurds will be a critical partner after the election.

"We need the Kurds," said Saad Jawad, head of the political bureau of the Supreme Council for Islamic Revolution in Iraq. "We won't need help getting a simple majority of 50 percent. We think we can get that alone. But we will need them to get to the two-thirds majority, which is more important."

Preliminary talks have taken place, but Shiites and Kurds are waiting to see how each does and how much support each brings to the table.


:elvis:

What do we do if the Kurds push for autonomy and then the Turks get pissed off and attack in what is now Northern Iraq?

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
What do we do if the Kurds push for autonomy and then the Turks get pissed off and attack in what is now Northern Iraq?

You pessimist, Nick:D

It'll all work out fine.

God sent George.:rolleyes:

[ELVIS]

*Yawn*

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
You pessimist, Nick:D

It'll all work out fine.

God sent George.:rolleyes:

Praise GAUD!
http://www.cinemorgue.com/zeffietilbury.jpg

[FORD]

Originally posted by LoungeMachine

IMAGINE IF OHIO, TEXAS, NEVADA, AND NEBRASKA COULDNT VOTE



Well, the BCE runs Texas, Chuck Hagel's own ESS machines dominate Nebraska and we all know how fucked up Ohio was. I'm not sure about Nevada though, but I would imagine the mob runs the elections there like they do everything else.

[Angel]

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
It's all for the Kurds.

I hope they know how much they owe us.


Asked and answered. Hats off to E.

The chemical weapons that Saddam used against the Kurds were supplied by the US. Who owes whom?

[LoungeMachine]

And now we see that in our standard fucked up way, we have managed to secure the BLOWING UP OF 16 SCHOOLS IN IRAQ TO BE USED AS POLLING PLACES


Here's a thought.......

Don't use SCHOOLS as polling places which you SHOULD HAVE KNOWN would become bombing targets!!!!!!!!!!!!!

F.U.B.A.R.

[BigBadBrian]

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
And now we see that in our standard fucked up way, we have managed to secure the BLOWING UP OF 16 SCHOOLS IN IRAQ TO BE USED AS POLLING PLACES


Here's a thought.......

Don't use SCHOOLS as polling places which you SHOULD HAVE KNOWN would become bombing targets!!!!!!!!!!!!!

F.U.B.A.R.

:rolleyes: OK Mr Brilliant, where in the world would you have these voters go to vote. It has to be a public place.

[BigBadBrian]

Originally posted by Angel
The chemical weapons that Saddam used against the Kurds were supplied by the US. Who owes whom?

The Soviets also supplied Saddam with a great deal of chemicals also. :gulp:

[kentuckyklira]

Originally posted by ELVIS
Tuesday, January 25, 2005


How Kurds may get their way in long-awaited Iraq election

You do know that the Kurds actually want an independent state and wouldn´t care less if the rest of Iraq went down the drain? And you also know that your ally Turkey would do almost anything (including bombing the shit out of the place) to stop an independant Kurdish state from happening?

Get a clue!

[kentuckyklira]

Originally posted by BigBadBrian
:rolleyes: OK Mr Brilliant, where in the world would you have these voters go to vote. It has to be a public place. How about "coalition" force bases!:bananna:

[Seshmeister]

US in "unable to organize an election" shock!

[BigBadBrian]

Originally posted by BigBadBrian
The Soviets also supplied Saddam with a great deal of chemicals also. :gulp:

Two alsos. No morning coffee. :D

[BigBadBrian]

Originally posted by kentuckyklira
You do know that the Kurds actually want an independent state and wouldn´t care less if the rest of Iraq went down the drain? And you also know that your ally Turkey would do almost anything (including bombing the shit out of the place) to stop an independant Kurdish state from happening?

Get a clue!

I think that's just the point.

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by BigBadBrian
:rolleyes: OK Mr Brilliant, where in the world would you have these voters go to vote. It has to be a public place.

You're a moron.

Anywhere but the schools, dipshit
We're building a 1.5 BILLION DOLLAR EMBASSEY, we can't erect a few polling tents?

You'll back ANYTHING the idiots dream up:rolleyes:

sheep

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by BigBadBrian
The Soviets also supplied Saddam with a great deal of chemicals also. :gulp:

Wow.

Now you use the Soviets instead of Clinton to deflect blame:rolleyes:

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by kentuckyklira
How about "coalition" force bases!:bananna:

They wouldnt want coalition bases to be TARGETS, when there are schools to use.

They couldn't even plan this rigged election correctly.:rolleyes:

Of course BigBLINDBrian will defend every action, regardless of competence.

:confused:

[BigBadBrian]

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
You're a moron.

Anywhere but the schools, dipshit
We're building a 1.5 BILLION DOLLAR EMBASSEY, we can't erect a few polling tents?

You'll back ANYTHING the idiots dream up:rolleyes:

sheep

I'll spell it out for those of you that are intellectually challenged. That would be "stupid" for those like you, LoungeMachine, who don't know what that statement means.

The Iraqis must be made to feel welcome and comfortable in the polling places. Fucking tents won't do. Actually, polling places are still secret. The insurgents are simply attacking places that they THINK will be polling places.

Any other stupid ideas, Mr. Brilliant? :rolleyes:

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by BigBadBrian


The Iraqis must be made to feel welcome and comfortable in the polling places.

Congratulations on the thinnest, most insipid argument ever made:rolleyes:

feel welcome and comfortable?

Seriously, turn off FAUX News and enter the real world for a change.

This is getting old

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by BigBadBrian
I'll spell it out for those of you that are intellectually challenged. That would be "stupid" for those like you, LoungeMachine, who don't know what that statement means.

The Iraqis must be made to feel welcome and comfortable in the polling places. Fucking tents won't do. Actually, polling places are still secret. The insurgents are simply attacking places that they THINK will be polling places.

Any other stupid ideas, Mr. Brilliant? :rolleyes:

And suicide bombers need parking lots.:rolleyes:

[Nickdfresh]

Did I just get "Diamond Status?" Must be my awesome Glenn Campbell avatar! :cool: :bananna: :drive: :guzzle:

[BigBadBrian]

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
Congratulations on the thinnest, most insipid argument ever made:rolleyes:

feel welcome and comfortable?

Seriously, turn off FAUX News and enter the real world for a change.

This is getting old

Indeed it is. Try getting a new anti-American argument for once, Lib. :gun:

[BigBadBrian]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
And suicide bombers need parking lots.:rolleyes:

I expect a certain amount of trouble on election day and afterward while the Iraqi's are awaiting for the results. This is to be expected.

I also expect the Administration to have a plan to eventually pull our forces out over time. We can't stay there forever. I don't believe this ever was the plan. :gulp:

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
And suicide bombers need parking lots.:rolleyes:

I give up with that moron.

He can't even bring himself to admit that perhaps there may have been better choices for public polling places than FUCKING SCHOOLS with everthing going on there.

unfuckingreal:rolleyes:


I want to move to Brian's world. Where everything's rosey. No mistakes are made. No errors in planning or judgement occur:(

You can be my neighbor

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by BigBadBrian
Indeed it is. Try getting a new anti-American argument for once, Lib. :gun:


And there it is, the standard fall back position of any SHEEP.

When all else fails, call them anti-american:rolleyes:

With no due respect, Fuck you B. Question MY patriotism because I dare question how this war is being handled????

It is a patriot who DOES hold their governemnt ACCOUNTABLE for it's actions.

prick.

You go Goose Step along with your faux friends. I'll continue to examine the facts of this war.
And it's mistakes

[BigBadBrian]

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
I give up with that moron.

He can't even bring himself to admit that perhaps there may have been better choices for public polling places than FUCKING SCHOOLS with everthing going on there.

unfuckingreal:rolleyes:


I want to move to Brian's world. Where everything's rosey. No mistakes are made. No errors in planning or judgement occur:(

You can be my neighbor

I've never said mistakes weren't made. The first one Bush made was having Rumsfeld as his SecDef. I won't go into the countless others...some of you all are only to happy to do that. I can live with that. I certainly don't agree with everything this Administration has done in the domestic and foreign policy arenas.

However, you Libs just can't seem to realize that pulling these elections off is crucial to getting our people home. FUCK! Why can't you fucking realize that? LoungeMachine, you're such a stupid-assed condescending prick with absolutely no knowledge to back up your arrogance.

Pop your head out of your ass for one damn minute and just realize that everything CNN tells you may not be true.

What the hell would you have us do, delay the elections indefinitely? Have them in a fucking tent? That's downright laughable. :rolleyes:

[BigBadBrian]

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
And there it is, the standard fall back position of any SHEEP.

When all else fails, call them anti-american:rolleyes:

With no due respect, Fuck you B. Question MY patriotism because I dare question how this war is being handled????

It is a patriot who DOES hold their governemnt ACCOUNTABLE for it's actions.

prick.

You go Goose Step along with your faux friends. I'll continue to examine the facts of this war.
And it's mistakes

Truth hurts, huh?

Yeah, you're the damn SHEEP. Using the same tired arguments of all the liberals. Boring. :yawn:

I'll go goose-step...if you give me lessons. I know you know how you NAZI fucker.

Anyhow, back to the matter at hand.... ;)

I don't mind anyone holding the government accountable. Mistakes have been made in this war like all wars. It's inevitable. I just don't understand why you Libs don't realize that the shortest route to getting our people home is through this Iraqi Election process?

It's simply amazing. Then you go on to question the decsion about potentially having polling places in schools instead of TENTS. Don't you think Schools would be much easier to defend against insurgent attacks?

Guess not. :rolleyes:

[Angel]

Originally posted by BigBadBrian
Pop your head out of your ass for one damn minute and just realize that everything CNN tells you may not be true.

Your right there... but there is still probably more truth on CNN than on FOX. (CBC just did an expose on Fox... very interesing).

You guys need to watch CBC -although even I'll admit, they do lean to the left, and aren't very pro-Bush these days. :D

[Big Train]

Fucking enough with the CBC..who gives a fuck?

Canada has all sorts of questions remaining to be answered about it's media, so CBC is just as suspect as any of the rest of them.

I agree with Brian here. The only way to pull out is to get them on the right path with elections, forming a government etc.. even libs MUST acknowledge this. Nobody comes home until this happens. The details can be debated endlessly, but until these processes are complete, nothing on the liberal agenda can come through.

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
I'm no expert [just ask ELVIS and BigBLINDBrian], but the more I read about this upcoming Iraqi "election" that the Bush Administration is touting, the more I question it's true purpose.

1 - There are no NAMES of candidates on the Ballots. Only part affiliation symbols

WHAT KIND OF DEMOCRACY WORKS THIS WAY?

2- The 4 provinces filled with the Sunnis arent even going to be able to vote relatively safely, and the Administration IS FINE WITH THIS

IMAGINE IF OHIO, TEXAS, NEVADA, AND NEBRASKA COULDNT VOTE

3- There will be no international election officials monitoring the election

HOW DOES THE WORLD EXPECT TO RECOGNIZE AN ELECTION WITHOUT MONITORS????

4- Does ANYBODY really expect Allawi NOT to win?????

Isnt this just another US puppet government being imposed??

Feel free to tell me how wrong I am.


I WAS WRONG

I THOUGHT ALLAWI'S GROUP WAS A LOCK



Clergy-backed Shiite coalition won most votes in Iraqi election

BY LIZ SLY

Chicago Tribune


BAGHDAD, Iraq - (KRT) - Iraq's long-downtrodden Shiites won the largest share of the vote in Iraq's landmark election, according to a final count released Sunday, though they failed to score the outright majority they had been expecting.


The outcome was a stinging blow for Ayad Allawi, the secular Shiite U.S.-backed interim prime minister, whose slate won only 13.7 percent of the vote despite the huge TV exposure afforded by his job and the biggest campaign spending by far of any candidate.

Allawi is disappointed and blames his poor showing on the endorsement of the Shiite coalition by Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, Iraq's top Shiite religious authority, said Raja Khuzai, an Allawi aide.

[ELVIS]

We know...

I posted the preliminary vote count...

But Allawi getting only 14% sounds crazy...

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by ELVIS
We know...

I posted the preliminary vote count...

But Allawi getting only 14% sounds crazy...

I know you did.

I just felt the need to cop to it.....

Confession is good for the Soul, I'm told:D

[ELVIS]

Yes, It is...

Specific confession...

Our pastor said today: Confess your sins specifically, God already knows your sins, but he want's to know that you know...

;)

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by ELVIS
Yes, It is...

Specific confession...

Our pastor said today: Confess your sins specifically, God already knows your sins, but he want's to know that you know...

;)

Fine.

I was mean spirited to Brie today.



you're right

I do feel better:D

[ELVIS]

Very nice...:D

[Warham]

Yeah, that'll make Iraqi's feel real safe. Voting in a fucking tent, instead of a real building with brick and mortar walls. Makes it easier for the insurgents to shoot through, eh?

[Seshmeister]

Originally posted by ELVIS
Yes, It is...

Specific confession...

Our pastor said today: Confess your sins specifically, God already knows your sins, but he want's to know that you know...

;)

But if he is all knowing he'll know that you know?

[BigBadBrian]

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
Fine.

I was mean spirited to Brie today.



you're right

I do feel better:D

No, I just said something obviously sucks in your life. Find out what it is. Maybe then you can make a decent argument on these boards. :gulp:

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by BigBadBrian
No, I just said something obviously sucks in your life. Find out what it is. Maybe then you can make a decent argument on these boards. :gulp:

I take it back.

You're still a tool:cool:

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by BigBadBrian
No, I just said something obviously sucks in your life. Find out what it is. Maybe then you can make a decent argument on these boards. :gulp:

I can tell you the ONE thing I hate about my life......


My President.

Other than that, it's milk and honey:D



Find that receipt yet?

[ELVIS]

Originally posted by Seshmeister
But if he is all knowing he'll know that you know?


We also need to make sure that we know...