WWE Thread

[rustoffa]

I haven't seen it, and I've gotten mixed reviews.
ECW raised the bar in more ways than one and it will NEVER be like that again.

I ventured to the ECW arena several times and was fortunate to witness Wrestlepalooza and the later Cobb County riot here in the ATL in person.

I could go on for volumes, but will leave it with The Dudleys re-writing the "Monster Heel" handbook along with Whipwreck and Super Crazy being vastly underrated.

The glory days of ECW were right before the monday night wars really took off. EVERYONE filtered through the fed....

The Pioneer dvd's are incredible, but tons more is available at RF Video (http://rfvideo.com) ....house shows, etc.

Stairways to hell, Blue World Orders, Triple Threats....shit, good 'ol Stone Cold borrowed someones gimmick when he left.:rolleyes:

http://img62.exs.cx/img62/9907/sandman31.jpg

[Full Bug]

Bob Holly beats up Rene Dupree
More has come in (and we expect even more) regarding the Bob Holly/Rene Dupree shoot that broke out at the Smackdown house show on Sunday.

Holly gave Dupree a legit chairshot to the head, legit punches, and legit kicks during the match due to what is believed to be just a case of him snapping over several different issues the two have had backstage over the past few months. As reported earlier, Dupree has a lot of heat on him backstage with a lot of guys, but especially Holly because he was driving Holly's rental car and got a ticket in it. Holly then had to fly to another city to get the ticket taken care of.

Dupree has been a big disappointment within WWF both from the perspective of management who had high hopes for him. It's really hard to imagine that Holly's actions will be considered acceptable by management.
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This was the story of the night. Started out fine with Haas and Suzuki in decent back and forth action. Dupree and Holly tag in and something went wrong because Holly starts to shoot on Dupee.

It starts with a front facelock that was definitely not a work and worked itself into a stretch and then Holly dumps Dupree out to ringside and starts potato-ing him with legit punches and kicks. Dupree ducks outside where Holly follows and goes at him hard again with the hardest chair shot I have ever been witness to. He actually THREW the chair into Dupree's head and neck as Dupree offered up his back. At this point Dupree's eye has swelled shut and he has a lot of noticeable bumps on his face. Holly has him on the ground at ringside (right in front of us , we were second row) and proceeds to kick him in the face three or four times. Dupree is covered up, but at least one kick connects. Holly backs off enough for the finish, a Dupree salt shot to Haas on the top turnbuckle (Dupree was yelling at Haas to get his attention for the spot because Holly was after him again) who gets rolled up by Suzuki while Dupree runs for the back with Holly and Finley in tow. This was BRUTAL. Think Matt from TE got it bad? Hopefully they can make up Dupree's face for TV on Tuesday! This was the talk of all the wrestlers, referees, and security for the rest of the night.
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Pretty damm funny! Dont fuck with Bob!:D

[Carmine]

Bug was this the Syracuse show?

[Full Bug]

Originally posted by Carmine Raguzza.
Bug was this the Syracuse show?

Yep....

[Carmine]

Shit! I should have took the my son...where do you live?

[Fairwrning]

i know you saw the "Tough Enough" where Holly beat the shit outta that kid..then said it was designed as a lesson..damn..that was a nice "lesson" that kid learned..he went on to win the contract but i have never seen him on any shows...

[Full Bug]

I bet Bob gets fired over this....

[Mr Badguy]

Hasn`t Holly already got a reputation for not being fucked with?

I think I read that somewhere.

[Wolverine]

you know that was assualt and battery what holly did to that kid...holly is a paid hick goon to mc mahon!

[Full Bug]

Anyone see the black eye on Depree on Smackdown tonite? Nasty, from what I read Holly just had to pay some kinda fine to WWE and had to lose in a dark match to some unknown wrestler, some kinda punishment eh?

[Big Troubles]

Originally posted by Full Bug
Anyone see the black eye on Depree on Smackdown tonite? Nasty, from what I read Holly just had to pay some kinda fine to WWE and had to lose in a dark match to some unknown wrestler, some kinda punishment eh?

With all the lay-offs Vince has been handing out, I'm surprised Holly wasn't let go.

check out this hardcore female wrestler. Vince needs to bring back some credibilty to his womens division, and cut this Lita bullshit loose.

http://www.lufisto.com/html_en/bio.html

[Full Bug]

She sounds cool and aint bad to look at either.....
What, you dont admire the great wrestling skill someone like Stacey Kiebler has BT?:D

[Full Bug]

This from the Wrestling Observer....
On Howard Stern this morning, Gary Del'Abate said he had seen the Chyna-Sean Waltman sex tape and said he'll never be the same. It was it was sad and graphic, saying it was like watching two guys make up. He said Chyna had shoulders like a linebacker, a big bruise on her leg, and pimples on her butt and her back. Nobody knew Waltman's name even though his name has been mentioned on the show many times. They joked he looked like a guy in gay porn.
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Sick, who would want to watch such a thing?

[rustoffa]

Originally posted by Full Bug
This from the Wrestling Observer....
On Howard Stern this morning, Gary Del'Abate said he had seen the Chyna-Sean Waltman sex tape and said he'll never be the same. It was it was sad and graphic, saying it was like watching two guys make up. He said Chyna had shoulders like a linebacker, a big bruise on her leg, and pimples on her butt and her back. Nobody knew Waltman's name even though his name has been mentioned on the show many times. They joked he looked like a guy in gay porn.
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Sick, who would want to watch such a thing?

The 1-2-3 Kid!
LMMFAO!

[scottydabodi]

X-Pac and Chyna... Who the fuck cares? Waltman has more problems than just having to have fucked Chyna... and her career's o.v.e.r. As for Smackdown, well, tonight's show was no suprise: A bunch of boring bullshit, and no good matches to speak of. How about Vince brings back ECW for Thursday nights, and throws Smackdown out... Raw has been OK. HHH still works a great match, and putting him vs Edge vs Benoit is just great. Benoit calls a great match EVERYTIME, and Monday was no different, with those endings? Man, that has WOLVERINE written ALL OVER IT!! Bob Holly should beat up all the 3rd rate losers in the Smackdown locker room, then we'd only have the best guys left!! Fuck Dupree.

[Full Bug]

Originally posted by scottydabodi
X-Pac and Chyna... Who the fuck cares? Waltman has more problems than just having to have fucked Chyna... and her career's o.v.e.r. As for Smackdown, well, tonight's show was no suprise: A bunch of boring bullshit, and no good matches to speak of. How about Vince brings back ECW for Thursday nights, and throws Smackdown out...
Chyna mat we the most ugly women I have ever seen, fucking her would be like fucking a man, yuck.....
Good idea about replacing Smackdown with ECW, I refuse to watch that show until JBL loses the belt, the show sucks......
The ECW idea will never happen though.....

[scottydabodi]

Originally posted by Full Bug
The ECW idea will never happen though.....

I know, but would that fucken rule, though!! ECW!! ECW!! ECW!! ECW!! RVD vs Jerry Lynn!!!!!!

[Big Troubles]

here's a good read on the lost art of Championships in the WWE.

http://www.pwinsider.com/ViewArticle.asp?id=6855&p=1

enjoy!

[monkeythe]

I just read the new Death of WCW book. I had forgotten how bad WCW was under Russo. After reliving the events of WCW 2000, I have no complaints about the current WWE product.

By the way, the book is very good and worth a read,

[scottydabodi]

I know that WCW in 2000 under Russo sucked ass, but man, Smackdown is coming fuckin close in the suck department!!!

[rustoffa]

Yeah,

Bischoff showed up with the grey head right before WCW folded.

Anyone see RAW tonight?

It's deja-vu all over again lately.

LMAO, could be the work of the century.

Just kiddin'.

:D

[scottydabodi]

I saw RAW tonight, and I just can't get enough of Benoit. Benoit/Jericho = 5 star match vs. ANYONE. Those two dudes are fucking wrestling MACHINES, and Triple H begging? I mean BEGGING for the title... fuck that dude, he's gotta let Batista step up a bit. Not that I think Batista is a great technical wrestler, but he is a damn good big man, which sells well in pro-wrestling. I must say that aside from Jericho/Benoit tagging up, the best moment for me was when Eugene said he like "Beautiful" Bobby Eaton... Bobby Eaton RULES!!! "Beautiful" Bobby Eaton & "Loverboy" Dennis Condrey--The Midnight Express, baby!! YEAH!! Overall, RAW isn't so bad. I find that the good match ratio is up, and the stupid angles are kept short(like Lita & Snitsky). They're focusing more on good work, now if SMACKDOWN could catch on... that show is horrible.

PS -Foley RULES!!!!

[rustoffa]

Fuck, I missed the Bobby Eaton reference.

The Midnight Express (Condrey, not Lane version) are in my top 3. (Tag Teams)

The old TBS saturday night shows were a tour-de-fucking force.

Just week-in, week-out complete dismantling of the Rock & Roll express....fucking classic.

There was this squash match one night where they untied this jobber's mask and turned it around...the guy's like wandering around in front of Solie's podium like a blind man and Bobby just clothes-lines the shit out of him. Fucking Cornette sits him down in a chair, pretends to give him a neck-rub and Dennis comes out of nowhere with another clothesline.

The Road Warriors feud?
Hell yeah.

[scottydabodi]

The ABSOLUTE best was whenever Eaton went to the top rope, and had to move the light, cuz the ceiling was too low in the tv studio, then the top rope Alabamma Slamma!! Dusty & Magnum dressed as masked cowboys... hell yeah!

[Full Bug]

Eaton was great, imagine what a team him and Benoit would have made, and they both had one thing in common, lack of micrphone skills, give'em a great manager like Bobby Heenen and they would have kicked ass......

[rustoffa]

Originally posted by scottydabodi
Dusty & Magnum dressed as masked cowboys... hell yeah!

:D
WTF is Lawler doin?

http://img138.exs.cx/img138/6102/dust29um.jpg

[monkeythe]

Originally posted by Full Bug
Eaton was great, imagine what a team him and Benoit would have made, and they both had one thing in common, lack of micrphone skills, give'em a great manager like Bobby Heenen and they would have kicked ass......

They actually did team together a few times in WCW in the early 90's. They're biggest match was against AA & Flair on a WCW Sat Night.

[Full Bug]

Chris is my favourite wrestler these days, this guy sums it up nice....

2004: The Year of Benoit

njguy316@yahoo.com

I was originally going to do my year end award picks
today, but instead I will be postponing them until
after the first of the year. I feel I need more time
to properly go over the various categories, some of
which are much tougher than others. That will be my
first column of 2005, and this is my final column of
2004. With the holidays and everything coming up, I
won't have time to put anything together for next
week. So I wanted to take this opportunity once again
to thank everyone who has read my column this year. I
hope you've enjoyed reading it, as I have enjoyed
writing it, and I look forward to whatever lies ahead
in 2005.

When I was contemplating what to write about for my
final column of the year, there is one person that
immediately came to mind, and it's only fitting that
this column be devoted to the great year he had in
2004. The person I'm referring to is Chris Benoit,
who had a fantastic year in the ring, and helped make
Raw a mostly entertaining show this year. Without him
to hold the show together with his quality work on a
weekly basis, I shudder to think what Raw would have
been like without him.

2004 was indeed the year where Chris Benoit finally
reached that next level, and was accepted by WWE fans
as the main event talent everyone always knew he could
be, but had never been given a chance to show. All
his years of hard work, and sacrifice were finally
rewarded in the biggest way possible, as he won his
first WWE World Heavyweight Title on March 14, 2004 at
Madison Square Garden in a show known as Wrestlemania
20. It was a moment when finally everything seemed
right in the wrestling business.

I will never forget the sight of Chris Benoit holding
his World Heavyweight Title, and Eddy Guerrero holding
his WWE Title hugging in the middle of the ring at
MSG, as confetti fell, and tears flowed. It was as
real, and as genuine a moment as you will ever see in
wrestling. It wasn't a manufactured event, and the
emotions weren't being put on. It was a moment etched
in history forever, and I will never forget the
feeling I had being there live that night. It was
like nothing I've ever experienced as a wrestling fan
before, and perhaps never will again. It was the
night Chris Benoit finally silenced his critics, and
accomplished something that no promoter, no wrestler,
and no writer will ever be able to take away from him.

The moment and the emotion captured with Benoit
winning the title was great, and so was the match that
led up to it. Chris Benoit had a tremendous year in
the ring, and this was his best match of the year.
He, along with Triple H, and Shawn Michaels stamped
their place among the greatest Wrestlemania main
events of all-time. The emotion, and atmosphere for
that match is something that was unparalled in
wrestling this year. No other show was Wrestlemania
20 either. The work in the match might have been just
a step below some of the other great matches this
year, but the intangibles involved in the match made
up for whatever they might have been lacking. Dave
Meltzer rated the match ****3/4, but for my money it
was a five star match. I don't know what the match
was lacking to not go all the way with the five star
rating.

It had everything you could want in a main event World
Title match. It had great near falls, it had off the
chart heat, it had blood, it had a table spot, and it
had Benoit, HHH, and HBK working their amazing
chemistry together. Feeding off each other's spots,
and moving logically to the next spot. HHH blocking
HBK's hand from tapping during a Sharpshooter, HBK
taking Benoit's head off with a Super Kick while
Benoit had HHH in the Sharpshooter, and Michaels
breath taking Moonsault on to the floor. For all
those indy spot monkeys out there, watch this match,
because that is how you do a highspot that actually
means something. Not just doing one for the sake of
popping the crowd. Anyone can get a cheap pop from
the crowd.

This match had those special moments that you just
can't script, they either happen, or they don't. The
timing by all three had to be picture perfect, and it
was. They maintained a quick pace throughout, never
taking one break, or going into any boring periods.
It was non-stop action for 25 minutes. The finishing
sequence was awesome, and well put together. It was a
match of the year quality match, and in my opinion it
was the match of the year for 2004. If you have any
doubts about that, go back and watch it again in its
entirety

Chris Benoit began his reign as champion by headlining
Backlash before a sell-out crowd in his hometown of
Edmonton, Alberta, Canada. They told a great story of
hometown boy comes home World Champion, and made the
show about Benoit, and his story. Benoit, HHH, and
Michaels hooked up again for a rematch of their WM XX
classic. It was a match rated ****1/2 by Dave
Meltzer, a notch below their first match, but still
one of the best of the year. The finish in Edmonton
saw Shawn Michaels tap out to Benoit in the
Sharpshooter, sort of the WWE's way of bringing
Montreal 1997 full circle, and putting it in the past
where it belongs.

In June at Bad Blood, Benoit successfully defended his
World Title against Kane, in a match that was the best
Kane has had since his series with Steve Austin in
1998. In July at Vengeance, Benoit defeated Triple H
to retain the title. It wasn't a clean finish, as
this was the one that saw Eugene get involved, which
is the storyline reason they used for HHH losing the
match. It wasn't the fact that Benoit was the better
man, and he beat him. This would be a recurring theme
through the year. Despite the fact that Benoit was
the World Champion, and was often having the best
matches on the shows every week, he was booked as a
secondary character to HHH and Evolution. It's not a
surprise to anyone that it happened that way, but it
did take some of the glitter off Benoit's title reign,
especially towards the end.

In August at Summerslam, Benoit put over Randy Orton
in a ****1/4 main event clean for the World Title.
His five-month reign was over. Benoit did the best
job possible in putting Orton over, and they had
almost as good a match the following night on Raw.
That was the night Evolution turned on Orton, and the
Randy Orton Face Experiment began. We know how that
has turned out so far, and it's through no fault of
Chris Benoit, that's for sure.

When looking at Chris Benoit's year in the ring, one
figure stands out to me. According to Dave Meltzer's
match rating scale, Benoit was involved in 21 matches
that were *** or better this year. That includes
PPV's, and Monday Night Raw episodes. Of those 21
matches, nine were **** or better. When you think
about it, that is a pretty unbelievable amount of
match quality. Who else in wrestling delivered those
kind of matches on a week-to-week basis like that?
The answer is no one. There may be wrestlers that had
overall matches, but no one did it on a regular basis
like that. If you take into account the countless
number of house show matches, which I'm sure the
majority were great as well, the evidence is pretty
staggering. The numbers don't lie, and here they are
for proof. These are not my own star ratings; these
are the ratings of the most well respected wrestling
journalist there is, Mr. Dave Meltzer:

[scottydabodi]

Chris Benoit is just fucking awesome. Great Post!!

[rustoffa]

Yeah, Chris is one of the good ones.

The TV Title series he had with Booker T in WCW was really good.

He and Melenko were a grate tag team in ECW and held the straps for a bit.

The match where he broke Sabu's neck?

The Crippler!

[Full Bug]

Originally posted by rustoffa

The TV Title series he had with Booker T in WCW was really good.

That was great, would love to see that series again, I hope they put it out on DVD one day....

[Big Troubles]

Id like to see the WWE dedicate some serious time to a new TV title. Like the old WcW used to. But then again, maybe they should dedicate more time to the belts they have?

[Fairwrning]

http://www.roanoke.com/sports/etc/15879.html

interesting piece on jimmy Valiant...who lives and runs a wrestling camp in Virginia..i have run into him here in Roanoke several times...great fuckin guy..wish he could have made it to the big money..

[scottydabodi]

Best TV Champion EVER = AA-Arn Anderson!! Second best was Ron Garvin!!

[Matt White]

Road Warrior Animal: "You tell me who could beat me and my brother Hawk in a fair fight!!! You better have A GUN!!!!"

Road Warrior Hawk: "WHAT A RUSH!!!!"

[scottydabodi]

Best Tag Team EVER!! Animal and Hawk: THE ROAD WARRIORS!!!

Yo, on a related subject, what's your FAVORITE finishing move of ALL TIME? I have 2: Jake "The Snake" Robert's DDT, and the Jesse "The Body" Ventura BACKBREAKER.

[Matt White]

Hmmmmmmm........

The "Perfect plex" by Kurt Henning.


The "POLISH HAMMER" by Ivan Putski

[Mr Badguy]

Scott Steiner`s "Frankensteiner"!

What a great move, pity we`ll never see him do it again.

And the "Stone Cold Stunner" for the pop it gives the crowd.

I also have to agree with "The perfect plex".

The best finishes are the ones that come out of nowhere and don`t take ages to set up.

[Island Boy]

As far as submissions go I would have to say:

Figure Four and the Sharp Shooter
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[Island Boy]

And you gotta throw the Spear in there also.....done by Edge, Goldberg or whoever. You know its coming but it is so explosive when it does come.

[Carmine]

best finisher: Doomsday Device, Snuka off the cage onto Muraco!, Van Terminator!

[julia]

I'm going to No Way Out

[scottydabodi]

Perfectplex is awesome, as was Curt(R.I.P.), The Rude Awakening was great, Figure 4 is CLASSIC... man, so many great finishers!! I'll still stay with Jake's DDT. Even though everyone and their mother do it these days in WWE, Jake's is just fucken KILLER!! Honorable mentions: Russian Sickle-Nikita Koloff, Human Toture Rack-Flexy Lexy Luger, and The MACHO MAN ELBOW!!!!

[rustoffa]

Scott Hall's "Outsider's Edge" is a devastating finisher as you really can't protect yourself as the recipient.

I remember him just pummeling Flair with it weekly back in the glory days of the NWO.....like throwing him halfway across the ring.

If you're familiar with the move, you gotta be a strong mofo to pull it off properly.

He set Sid Vicious up for it one time and I figured it was just gonna a be a set up for the backdrop spot, where the guy would just stand up and toss Hall over....

Hall "behind the neck pressed" that fucker and threw him away in the "stiff" fashion......un-fuckingbelievable.

[Matt White]

'offa, that just jared a few dormant brain cells. It had to be 90-91, I as in college and watchin' wrestlin' with my two roomies(one DAN-O, God Rest His Soul) and Sid was graplin' with some jobber. Vicious gets the guy in a back breaker, goes into a airplane spin, and launches the poor bastard 10 feet!!! The guy spun like 3 times in the air! I remember looking at my bros and saying, "Ain't NO WAY I 'd let some gorilla do that!" HAHAHA!!! UNREAL!!!

[scottydabodi]

Dude, I saw Curt Hennig PERFECTPLEX The Giant over the top rope into the ring!!! That's absolutely PERFECT!!

[Matt White]

Originally posted by scottydabodi
Dude, I saw Curt Hennig PERFECTPLEX The Giant over the top rope into the ring!!! That's absolutely PERFECT!!

THE GIANT GONZALES?!?!:D

What ever happened to that guy? The one who wore the bodysuit with the painted on muscles! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

[rustoffa]

Originally posted by Matt White
'offa, that just jared a few dormant brain cells. It had to be 90-91, I as in college and watchin' wrestlin' with my two roomies(one DAN-O, God Rest His Soul) and Sid was graplin' with some jobber. Vicious gets the guy in a back breaker, goes into a airplane spin, and launches the poor bastard 10 feet!!! The guy spun like 3 times in the air! I remember looking at my bros and saying, "Ain't NO WAY I 'd let some gorilla do that!" HAHAHA!!! UNREAL!!!

LMFAO!

Shit like that is grate....
When Jericho was the full-on whining heel in WCW, he ran in and grabbed Mysterio right as he was gonna come off the top...threw him all the way to the other corner...rough as hell...

[rustoffa]

Originally posted by scottydabodi
Dude, I saw Curt Hennig PERFECTPLEX The Giant over the top rope into the ring!!! That's absolutely PERFECT!!

I'm tappin' out on that one bro.
:D

[Full Bug]

Any of you guys remember this jobber?

Johnny K-9 held in double slaying


Former WWF jobber Johnny K-9 was arrested yesterday in Hamilton, charged with the 1998 double murder of a criminal lawyer and her husband.

K-9 was a familiar sight on WWF Maple Leaf Wrestling telecasts, bellowing at the top of his lungs and dropping to his knees and crossing his arms before inevitably going down in the match to some superstar.

He also worked in Jim Cornette's Smokey Mountain Wrestling as Bruiser Bedlam.

But away from the ring, Ion (John) William Croitoru had led a troubled life of drugs and he ran with the Satan's Choice Motorcycle Club. Police say that Croitoru was the president of the Club.

Lynn and Fred Gilbank of Ancaster, Ont., were shot to death in their home in the pre-dawn hours on Nov. 16, 1998. At the time, police believed that one of Hamilton's organized crime groups was involved, and that the killings were related to Lynn Gilbank's work as a criminal laywer.

Croitoru has been charged with two counts of first-degree murder and two counts of conspiracy to commit murder.


"I cannot understate how proud I am of all the officers who have worked on this case for the past six years," Hamilton Police Chief Brian Mullan said a press conference Thursday. "These deaths deeply affected not only their family and friends but the whole city." Mullan said that he expects more arrests to be made in the slayings.

Croitoru is expected to appear in Ontario Court on Friday.

[Full Bug]

A old interview with him back in the late 90's....I like how he denies the biker connection, lol....

SLAM! Wrestling Canadian Hall of Fame: Bruiser Bedlam

The ICW champ Bruiser Bedlam. -- Courtesy ICW
REAL NAME: Ion William Croitoru
BORN: December 7, 1965 in Hamilton, Ontario
6'0", 300 pounds
AKA: Johnny K-9, Taras Bulba, Orhan Turgedan The Terrible Turk, The Mysterian

Johnny K-9 has moved on, and wishes the fans would too.

"They all remember me as K-9, getting killed," said the former jobber, turned Bruiser Bedlam. "I don't want that image no more. I win now. I kick ass. I've paid my dues."

Bedlam is heavyweight champion of the Cambridge, Ontario-based ICW, having beaten Greg Valentine in the summer for the title. He faces Valentine again on Sunday at a show at Appleby's Bar & Grill in Scarborough. (See our Canadian shows page.)

In fact, the Hamiltonian Bedlam (real name Ion William 'John' Croituro) has done much more in his career than just be Johnny K-9.

He trained with fellow Hamiltonians Nick DeCarlo and Vic Rossitini for six months in the early eighties, before getting booked in Calgary's Stampede Wrestling.

Bruce Hart, who was booking at the time, named him Orhan Turgedan, The Terrible Turk. He kept the name for a time after leaving Calgary, but always had something else in mind.

"I was just starting to get into wrestling, and I always wanted Johnny K-9. Bruce Hart was booking back then in Calgary, and wanted to go with The Terrible Turk, so I kept K-9 in the background. But I got the name during a big fight. We all got thrown in the paddywagon and I saw a police car with the word K-9 on it. I said, 'That's my name, Johnny K-9'."

He spent time with Emile Dupre's Grand Prix Wrestling on the east coast, George Cannon's Superstars of Wrestling out of Windsor, Ontario, and Dave 'Bearman' McKigney's circuit in Ontario.

But it was in the WWF as Johnny K-9, when the organization filmed their TV matches in upper-New York State (mainly Poughkeepsie) and southern Ontario (mainly Brantford), that his persona became well-known.

Fans will remember him for his loud mouth and for his ring introductions -- he would always drop to his knees, cross his arms above his head and bellow.

His favourite memory was "the money."

"I made good money," Bedlam explained, then re-thought his answer. "I met some good guys."

After more than four years working for the WWF -- including a TV match against Hulk Hogan, he left on good terms for a tour of Japan with New Japan.

The Orient was a whole new experience for him.

"They f------ break my nose over there, crack your ribs. They're tough over there."

On subsequent tours, he also worked for FMW and WAR.

In the late eighties, he tried promoting in Hamilton with Mike Kelly and Bob Clarke. The Canadian International Championship Wrestling circuit may not have lasted long, but it was fun. [Click here for a video clip of the opening to the Canadian International Championship Wrestling TV show, featuring K-9 versus Ricky Johnson. (558K)]

The name Johnny K-9 / John Croitoru is also well-known with the Hamilton-Wentworth police force. Croituro spent seven months in prison in 1991 for assault, and his name continues to pop up to this day in relation to the Hamilton chapter of Satan's Choice bike gang. He also has a conviction for trafficking cocaine, and served 10 months of his sentence.

"I know a few guys, that's why [his name is often mentioned]," said Croituro. "I never was a biker. That's alleged bulls---."

After leaving prison, he hooked up with the Michigan-based MTW, where he was billed as Taras Bulba, 'King of the Chain Matches in Eastern Bloc Countries. Al Snow, Mick Foley and 'Irish' Mickey Doyle were regulars on the circuit, and Taras Bulba got the chance to wrestle legends like Bobo Brazil, Dick The Bruiser and Al Costello.

In 1994, things changed for the better for Bedlam.

"[Jim] Cornette saw me on a show in Toledo, Ohio working for MTW. And he booked me down in Smoky Mountain. That was the best year of my life in this business."

It was Cornette who came up with the Bruiser Bedlam monicker and made him his TV champ.

"Smoky Mountain, I loved it. Plus I was the champ there. I beat Savage, Cactus Jack, Jake The Snake," he said.

It was the fans that made the area special.

"They believed it .... Like, it's ten years behind in the Smokies. Kentucky, Tennesse, they're laid back. You'd go to little towns and these arenas would be jammed. They couldn't wait for wrestling. You were like a big-time celebrity coming in there."

After 18 months, he left the territory and returned to Hamilton. About a year later, Cornette threw in the towel on the promotion.

"It went under because Cornette went to find big bucks with New York, eh. He didn't care anymore. He had a good thing there, though."

Bedlam is a little down on the current state of wrestling. The fans know too much and their attitudes have changed.

"Before you would have the believers who would say, 'Holy man! That's gotta hurt.' It does hurt, but, not like they used to think," he explained. "They would think, 'that guy's gotta be dead.' They would believe that ... Now they go, that's all fake. They planned that."

[scottydabodi]

Originally posted by Matt White
THE GIANT GONZALES?!?!:D

What ever happened to that guy? The one who wore the bodysuit with the painted on muscles! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

No, The Big Show when he was called The Giant in WCW. El Gigante went back to play basketball in Argentina, I think...

[Island Boy]

Originally posted by scottydabodi
No, The Big Show when he was called The Giant in WCW. El Gigante went back to play basketball in Argentina, I think...


You mean Paul White??? LOL

[scottydabodi]

Paul Wright, isn't it? Nonetheless, Curt Hennig PERFECTPLEXED him over the top rope from the ring apron to inside the ring... Now THAT was PERFECT. Although I must admit that Brock Lesnar superplexing The Big Show off the top rope, into the ring, then the ring collapsed was pretty fuckin awesome...

[scottydabodi]

Just watched the PPV... Elimination Chamber was quite good! 4*'s. HHH is champ, no surprise there... I was hoping for Edge or Batista, just to mix it up a bit, but they went with the SAFE choice... oh well, the rest of the show was pretty weak... Especially Lawler vs. Arab-American Dude. BORING.

[scottydabodi]

Man, I'm watching RAW right now, and I gotta say that I am totally ANTI Pillow Fights, but Christy Hemme is the hottest girl in the history of wrestling... well, next to Jimmy Garvin's PRECIOUS

[teamaa104]

the lethal weapon needs to make his return to the mat

my all time favorite

[Mr Badguy]

Originally posted by scottydabodi
Just watched the PPV... Elimination Chamber was quite good! 4*'s. HHH is champ, no surprise there...

Why doesn`t HHH just come out and admit that he`s going to set a record for world championships that noone will ever beat?

He only ever loses the belt for about three weeks to get someone over then it comes straight back to him.

It is killing WWE to have him as champ all the time.

At least when Hogan was champ (in the 80`s) he was the franchise player.

And he dropped it to Savage, Sgt. Slaughter and The Ultimate Warrior for a while.

The only reason he gets the belt is `cos he`s banging Stephanie.

Setting a record for championships is the only way he`ll get into the record books as he is a piss wrestler.

[monkeythe]

At least he loses the title in the ring unlike his buddy Shawn that dropped the World, I-C, & Tag Titles outside the ring and lost the European title to HHH by allowing himself to be pinned.

And talking about Hulk his title loses are the worst. His first WWF loss required evil twin refs, and his first WCW title loss required: his opponent coming back from the dead from a monster truck accident earlier in the evening, his manager trning on him, losing the title by DQ, and lets not forgot about the mummy that came out after the match that dry humped him.

[scottydabodi]

HHH is a fine wrestler, but 9 time champ?? Get the fuck outta here!! Roddy Piper never had it ONCE!! Neither did a million other GREATS that I could name... Double A never held ANY World Heavyweight Championship Belt for FUCK'S SAKE!!

[Full Bug]

HHH now has the belt for the 10'th time, but whats the difference? I never thought I would hate a wrestler as much as I hated Hogan back in the day, but HHH takes the cake.....

[Full Bug]

Originally posted by Mr Badguy

And he dropped it to Savage, Sgt. Slaughter and The Ultimate Warrior for a while.

The only reason he dropped the belt and Savage got it was Hogan left to film No Holds Barred for awhile...He didnt want to drop it to Warrior but Vince forced the issue because he thought Warrior was the future, that turned out well eh?:D

[Island Boy]

Originally posted by scottydabodi
Paul Wright, isn't it? Nonetheless, Curt Hennig PERFECTPLEXED him over the top rope from the ring apron to inside the ring... Now THAT was PERFECT. Although I must admit that Brock Lesnar superplexing The Big Show off the top rope, into the ring, then the ring collapsed was pretty fuckin awesome...


Didnt Taz suplex Bam Bam through the ring in ECW?? Now thats perfect:D

[Carmine]

Originally posted by joe23602
Didnt Taz suplex Bam Bam through the ring in ECW?? Now thats perfect:D

I do remember Mike Awesome beating the ever lovin shit out of Spike Dudley and then pitching him into the 8th row! That was pretty cool!

[Mr Badguy]

Originally posted by scottydabodi
HHH is a fine wrestler, but 9 time champ?? Get the fuck outta here!! Roddy Piper never had it ONCE!! Neither did a million other GREATS that I could name... Double A never held ANY World Heavyweight Championship Belt for FUCK'S SAKE!!

Mr Perfect never held the WWF world belt either.

That would have been box office back in the day if he had.

Imagine Randy Savage V Perfect for the belt?

Now that could have been absolutely perfect.

I wonder what Flair makes of HHH`s title reigns?

I know a belt doesn`t really mean anything, it`s just a tool to get someone over, but it would be nice to see someone else get it and have a decent run with it.

HHH couldn`t lace Flair`s boots.

[GAR]

http://www.highspots.com/arena/pic/chavosr.jpg

This guy was pretty fast back in the day.. Chavo Guererro

he had a brother he tagged with Mondo Guererro

[Mr Badguy]

Originally posted by scottydabodi
HHH is a fine wrestler, but 9 time champ??

I don`t rate him.

It`s more about his physique than his wrestling, although he is a lot better than other guys in that category like Hogan and Warrior.

Call me old fashioned but I like the hold-for-hold technical style.

Flair, Kurt Angle, Benoit, Bret Hart, Curt Henning etc.

Unfortunately those guys aren`t muscley enough for Vince, who can`t seem to see past big guys like Hogan, Warrior, Nash, Sid and HHH.

[Full Bug]

Originally posted by Mr Badguy

Call me old fashioned but I like the hold-for-hold technical style.
Flair, Kurt Angle, Benoit, Bret Hart, Curt Henning etc.

Me too, I really enjoyed the Bret vs Curt matches, Curt was one of my all time favourites....A shame we will never see Bret vs Kurt, that would have been great.....

[Full Bug]

Here's a shocking story eh?:D
Jake Roberts was arrested this past week for cocaine possession in Pompano Beach, FL. Roberts' girlfriend was stopped by the local police and allegedly had drugs in her possession, and told officers that her boyfriend was at a motel and "probably" had drugs there. They went to the motel room and a crack pipe with residue was found in his room, but no actual drugs were found in the room.

Nice girlfriend, she rats him out to the cops....:rolleyes:

[Island Boy]

Originally posted by Full Bug
Here's a shocking story eh?:D
Jake Roberts was arrested this past week for cocaine possession in Pompano Beach, FL. Roberts' girlfriend was stopped by the local police and allegedly had drugs in her possession, and told officers that her boyfriend was at a motel and "probably" had drugs there. They went to the motel room and a crack pipe with residue was found in his room, but no actual drugs were found in the room.

Nice girlfriend, she rats him out to the cops....:rolleyes:


Gawd I seriously thought he was dead!!:confused:

oops

[Full Bug]

Originally posted by joe23602
Gawd I seriously thought he was dead!!:confused:

oops
Give him time, by all rights he should have been dead along time ago...Ever see Beyond The Mat?

[Bad Muthafucker]

Originally posted by Full Bug
Me too, I really enjoyed the Bret vs Curt matches, Curt was one of my all time favourites....A shame we will never see Bret vs Kurt, that would have been great.....

You bet! Now you're talking. I agree with Bret Hart when he says that Vince needs to put the wrestling back in wrestling. If I want smut T.V., I'll go down to the local mom & pop video rental store and pick something out from their porn section. You don't see that kind of stuff on a football game or a basketball game.

Have you guys ever checked out Bret's column in the Calgary Sun newspaper? It's online here:

http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Wrestling/Hitman/home.html

He used to write a new one once a week. But over the last few years, he's slowed down. Now, it's more like once a month. Or sometimes, even longer. Lately, they've been about everything but wrestling...which to me is boring. But back when he was still wrestling, especially at the height of the whole '97 Survivor Series screwjob, he was writing them once a week faithfully. And they were ALL about wrestling and how Vince sucks because he turned wrestling from a sport into smut television. They were good. There's a link somewhere on Bret's home page (www.brethart.com) where I believe you can access all the old columns, but I haven't checked it out in over a year.

[Bad Muthafucker]

Beyond the mat was good. It's pretty scary how Vince truly believes that wrestlers are dogs and that his job is to make them fetch.

[Full Bug]

Yeah, been reading Brets columms since he started writing them, your right that he hasnt made new ones in ages, I think that might be because of the Alladin play he has been doing....Chyna was on Howard Stern today and made a pretty big fool of herself....
http://www.liveaudiowrestling.com/wo/news/headlines/default.asp?aID=12224

[scottydabodi]

Originally posted by bad_muthafucker
Beyond the mat was good. It's pretty scary how Vince truly believes that wrestlers are dogs and that his job is to make them fetch.

Beyond the Mat was pretty intense... Jake the Snake is SO FUCKED UP in that movie. I can't believe he's still kickin'. Darren Drozdov puking in the trash can was fucken rediculous. Vince is a tool, and should treat these guys with some amount of respect.
As far as HHH goes, well, his wife's gettin' him all these title reigns. Reminds me of all the old politics with Hogan in the 80's and late 90's. Ego maniac needs to share the belt a bit. Benoit deserves to get it back for a while, and put him WAY over with BIG, CLEAN, DECISIVE wins over the top guys. More Benoit/Jericho, less Kane/Snitsky.

[Big Troubles]

Beyond the Mat was a nice doc. but even better was Wrestling with Shadows. I swear Ive watched that 10 times. Man Mountain Rock has a doc. ready to be released too. Apparently it shows wrestlers doing coke, boozing it up and escorting ladies of night in the hotel. Im sure there will be law suits to follow after its release. (if it gets a release) I seen a clip of Bam Bam Bigelow (all time favs) bad mouthin' Nash. Fucking hilarious watching ol' Big Sexy Kevin Nash back down from the Beast...

[Full Bug]

Mad Mountain Rock, I kinda remember that name, who is that again?

[scottydabodi]

Damn, Man Mountain Rock is still out there wrestlin? Wow. I remember the Original Man Moutain- Jerry Blackwell. Nash and Bigelow get into an argument? Nash realizes that he's not much of a fighter in real life. One kick to the knees and he's DONE.

[monkeythe]

Originally posted by Full Bug
Mad Mountain Rock, I kinda remember that name, who is that again?


He was Max Payne in WCW & independents before heading to WWF. In WCW he teamed with Cactus Jack & might have won a tag title with him.
As Man Mountain Rock his gimmick was that he was a guitar player. His most notable WWF apearances were doing the national antem before a Royal Rumble and having his guitar stolen by Bob Backlund because he was corrupting the youth of America. He left the WWF shortly after his guitar was stolen

[scottydabodi]

Originally posted by monkeythe
He was Max Payne in WCW & independents before heading to WWF. In WCW he teamed with Cactus Jack & might have won a tag title with him.
As Man Mountain Rock his gimmick was that he was a guitar player. His most notable WWF apearances were doing the national antem before a Royal Rumble and having his guitar stolen by Bob Backlund because he was corrupting the youth of America. He left the WWF shortly after his guitar was stolen

Bob Backlund ruled!

[Full Bug]

Originally posted by monkeythe
He was Max Payne in WCW & independents before heading to WWF. In WCW he teamed with Cactus Jack & might have won a tag title with him.
As Man Mountain Rock his gimmick was that he was a guitar player. His most notable WWF apearances were doing the national antem before a Royal Rumble and having his guitar stolen by Bob Backlund because he was corrupting the youth of America. He left the WWF shortly after his guitar was stolen
I remember Max Payne, I liked him when he teamed with Jack....Speaking of gimmick guitar players, remember Van Hammer? God he was bad, I dont know what was worse, his wrestling or guitar playing....

[Big Troubles]

LOL. Van Hammer was "cool" at first, when he debut. Max Payne was cool, and I think Vince could've used Payne in a more hardcore role. Wrong timing I guess. :)

[Bad Muthafucker]

Originally posted by scottydabodi
Bob Backlund ruled!

Hey! That's MISTER Bob Backlund! LOL!! I wonder if he's ever gonna run for president like he said he was going to. I'd vote for him!!!

[Bad Muthafucker]

Originally posted by scottydabodi
As far as HHH goes, well, his wife's gettin' him all these title reigns. Reminds me of all the old politics with Hogan in the 80's and late 90's.

Yeah, and to think that 8 or 9 years ago it was none other than HHH who was 100% AGAINST politics behind the curtain and guys like Hogan who used such politics for their own personal gain. My my my, how the tables have turned. I remember HHH being so much in favor of giving the younger, newer guys a push. What a fucking hypocrite.

[Full Bug]

HHH made me laugh on Raw this week saying instead of Jim Ross day it should have been HHH day, yeah right, every day is HHH day in the WWE...

[Carmine]

Fellas: I have not watched Raw or Smackdown in about 6 months...Somebody let me know if it ever gets good again.

Thanks...Ragu

[Matt White]

I saw CHINA (doll) on STERN last night on the E channel. What a fuckin' train wreck. Sad...............

[Carmine]

Originally posted by Matt White
I saw CHINA (doll) on STERN last night on the E channel. What a fuckin' train wreck. Sad...............

Did you see her and Xpac's porn? Even sadder...

[monkeythe]

Originally posted by Carmine Raguzza.
Fellas: I have not watched Raw or Smackdown in about 6 months...Somebody let me know if it ever gets good again.

Thanks...Ragu

You've missed an incredible six months, a new set of stars are getting ready to take over just like in 96 when Rock, Austin, Mankind & Hunter came in showing potential to become the next wave of superstars. The last 6 months have been filled with many great new arrivals including:

1 - Gene Snitsky - baby killer; not only capable of in-ring abortions, can also punt plastic babies nto ringside seats

2 - Heidenreich - not since Lanny Poffo have WWE fans been treated to a combination of great poetry and the threat of anally raping announcers

3 - The new divas - several beautiful women with no personalities but having the ability to seduce Kamala, eat pie with their asses and the ability to call each other cum sucking whores on live TV

4 - Hassan & Daivari - hate the US for not going to their uncles convenience store after 9/11

5 - Carlito - hates people that aren't cool and lets them know they're not cool by spitting apples in their face.

By the way, I am not making any of these items up, this has been what you have been missing over the past 6 months

[Full Bug]

Originally posted by monkeythe
You've missed an incredible six months, a new set of stars are getting ready to take over just like in 96 when Rock, Austin, Mankind & Hunter came in showing potential to become the next wave of superstars. The last 6 months have been filled with many great new arrivals including:

1 - Gene Snitsky - baby killer; not only capable of in-ring abortions, can also punt plastic babies nto ringside seats

2 - Heidenreich - not since Lanny Poffo have WWE fans been treated to a combination of great poetry and the threat of anally raping announcers

3 - The new divas - several beautiful women with no personalities but having the ability to seduce Kamala, eat pie with their asses and the ability to call each other cum sucking whores on live TV

4 - Hassan & Daivari - hate the US for not going to their uncles convenience store after 9/11

5 - Carlito - hates people that aren't cool and lets them know they're not cool by spitting apples in their face.

By the way, I am not making any of these items up, this has been what you have been missing over the past 6 months
Nice summary, thats about it....
There have been some highlights too though, Benoit being one of them....

[Dan]

Any news on Stone Cold Steve Austin?No WWE down here anymore.
Still a SCSA Fan.

[ELVIS]

Wrestling insult's my intelligence...

[Full Bug]

Originally posted by Dan
Any news on Stone Cold Steve Austin?No WWE down here anymore.
Still a SCSA Fan.
Only that he will be filming 3 movies for WWE entertainment, kinda like the Rock is doing...

[Mr Badguy]

Originally posted by ELVIS
Wrestling insult's my intelligence...

C`mon Elvis, it`s just a TV show.

It`s a no brainer, kinda like listening to a Kiss album.

I think most of the wrestling "fans" here are almost as interested in the machinations of the "buisness" as they are in the shows these days, such is the dearth of quality matches and storylines.

[Dan]

Originally posted by Full Bug
Only that he will be filming 3 movies for WWE entertainment, kinda like the Rock is doing...

Thanks Full Bug.

[Big Troubles]

Originally posted by ELVIS
Wrestling insult's my intelligence...

If you are insulted by pro wrestling, then you turned it on one day thinking it was real. When you realised it wasn't you thought you were being "tricked into believing it was real". Truth is, wrestling is no different than a soap opera, except with wrestling, they do the "soap opera" backstage and come out to the ring to settle their differences. Differences are never settled on free TV though. Only on some of the $40 PPV's are differences settled. ;) SuperHeros and Cartoon characters in real life animation. It's all in good fun.

if you want real though, check out some MMA or Pride. That's asskicking at it's best. But, Elvis some pro wrestling has been real. A little too real sometimes.

Like...

[Big Troubles]

or

[Mr Badguy]

Originally posted by Big Troubles
If you are insulted by pro wrestling, then you turned it on one day thinking it was real. When you realised it wasn't you thought you were being "tricked into believing it was real". Truth is, wrestling is no different than a soap opera, except with wrestling, they do the "soap opera" backstage and come out to the ring to settle their differences. Differences are never settled on free TV though. Only on some of the $40 PPV's are differences settled. ;) SuperHeros and Cartoon characters in real life animation. It's all in good fun.

if you want real though, check out some MMA or Pride. That's asskicking at it's best. But, Elvis some pro wrestling has been real. A little too real sometimes.

Like...

Right on, BT.

I always hate it when people deride pro wrestling for being "fake".

Alright, the storylines are bullshit and most of the matches are meticulously planned but you can`t tell me a lot of those bumps aren`t real.

Even a blade job might be a fake way of getting busted open, but it`s still real blood.

[Big Troubles]

Originally posted by Mr Badguy
Right on, BT.

I always hate it when people deride pro wrestling for being "fake".

Alright, the storylines are bullshit and most of the matches are meticulously planned but you can`t tell me a lot of those bumps aren`t real.

Even a blade job might be a fake way of getting busted open, but it`s still real blood.

No shit eh? Even the act of blading is real. A self inflicted wound, usualy to the forehead, with the edge of a razor blade, sounds more real than the chair that supposedly hit him. ;) What more do these sport fanatics want? I always watch wrestling with both sides of my brain. One knows it's "fake" and the other doesn't care and eats up the fun. It's the fountain of youth for people that want to escape the hussle and bussle of a sometimes shitty world.

[Big Troubles]

and this one too.

[Big Troubles]

I watch that and everytime Jarrett hits the mat, I think "Boooom" :D

[ALinChainz]

Vince tried the big slide into the ring on his gut after a running start to hand down the decision on whether Bautista or Cena won thw Royal Rumble and hurt his knee.

Couldn't stand, sat on his ass against the ropes during the whole thing and they didn't show him leave the ringside area.

No word yet on the severity. I'm sure that wasn't planned.

[Full Bug]

Didnt see it, but sounds like Vince is starting to show his age...

[redblkwht]

Originally posted by Big Troubles
and this one too. My favorite move ala Big sexy Kevin Nash..:)

[redblkwht]

Originally posted by bad_muthafucker
Hey! That's MISTER Bob Backlund! LOL!! I wonder if he's ever gonna run for president like he said he was going to. I'd vote for him!!! Cross face chicken wing finishing move..lmmfao!
are you kidding me? lol :killer:
6 months for me too :cool:

[redblkwht]

Originally posted by Big Troubles
No shit eh? Even the act of blading is real. A self inflicted wound, usualy to the forehead, with the edge of a razor blade, sounds more real than the chair that supposedly hit him. ;) What more do these sport fanatics want? I always watch wrestling with both sides of my brain. One knows it's "fake" and the other doesn't care and eats up the fun. It's the fountain of youth for people that want to escape the hussle and bussle of a sometimes shitty world.
AMEN BT..well put, i may tune back into WWE..
wish the other wrestling was on the tube, not all PPV.
miss sting, macho & some oldschoolers still good enough.

[rustoffa]

Originally posted by Big Troubles
or

Oh yeah....

The chairshot heard 'round the world.

Tommy Dreamer and Raven...what a blood-spillin' feud that was.

Dreamer and Brian Lee did this scaffold match back in the syndicated glory days of ECW....

Just mind numbing....a shitty gymnasium.....hand-tied rope secured scaffolding, and a ring full of about 24 tables beneath.

Lee fell through that menagerie of tables....no work...no buffering.

That was his last match...

"Wrasslin" is wrestling...or pure Americana....a worldwide phenomenon where Abdullah the Butcher is revered as God-like in Asia and the Caribbean.

The "millions and millions" that follow whatever brand they follow could care less about whatever it is other folks don't get.

[redblkwht]

nice pic rusty..wow breaking out the pics too ;) hahahahahhahaha!

[Big Troubles]

I hate the fact Sabu never got a good shake in the WWE. Abby is an all time fav of mine too. Got to meet him once. Nice guy!

Steve Strong/Disalvo is also a great wrestler that never got a fair shake. Vince was interested in him, when the WWF toured through Ontario, back in 85, Vince seen Steve wrestle and wanted to sign him- Until Hogan told him not too. It seems Hogan didn't like anyone that was bigger than him. It would threaten the Hulk-a-mania Image.

[Full Bug]

Originally posted by Big Troubles
It seems Hogan didn't like anyone that was bigger than him. It would threaten the Hulk-a-mania Image.
Boy, there is a big shock....:rolleyes: Did you know Curt Henning was going to win a Royal Rumble and get a push but Hogan nixed that? I hate his guts....

[Big Troubles]

I dont hate him. Shit, in fact i hope to see another run outta him. He's good for entertainment value. I loved the last run and in fact got to see him with my wife and son in T.O at the A.C.C a few years ago take on Flair, when Flair was General Manager. Hulk also got dragged around by 'Takers bike at the time. Funny shit. :D I miss good legends. Like Piper. Too bad he's fucking mental now. Savage would be cool to see for one more run too.

I hope they let Batista run fucking wild with the title for awhile. ala Goldberg. Theres a dream match eh? Goldberg vs Batista. Even better would be Batista vs Brock Lesnar. No more Rock though. He just uses WWE for quick payouts. Austin I wish was able to perform up to standards too. Sting at Wrestlemania??? Bret Hart farewell video and awards ceremony of some sort??? Could be a HUGE Wrestlemani if Vince wanted too.

[Carmine]

Originally posted by Big Troubles
I dont hate him. Shit, in fact i hope to see another run outta him. He's good for entertainment value. I loved the last run and in fact got to see him with my wife and son in T.O at the A.C.C a few years ago take on Flair, when Flair was General Manager. Hulk also got dragged around by 'Takers bike at the time. Funny shit. :D I miss good legends. Like Piper. Too bad he's fucking mental now. Savage would be cool to see for one more run too.

I hope they let Batista run fucking wild with the title for awhile. ala Goldberg. Theres a dream match eh? Goldberg vs Batista. Even better would be Batista vs Brock Lesnar. No more Rock though. He just uses WWE for quick payouts. Austin I wish was able to perform up to standards too. Sting at Wrestlemania??? Bret Hart farewell video and awards ceremony of some sort??? Could be a HUGE Wrestlemani if Vince wanted too.

I hear that BT....I have seen blips here and there..these "new" guys on WWE....just seems like a broken record now....Gimme Benoit, Jericho, RVD....I may start tuning in soon...with Mania approaching. I would like to see "one last run" from Hogan too! The fans were all over him back in 02'...when Vince had him do that Mr USA schtick....PUUUUUUUUUUUUUHHHHHHHHLEASE! This was where I started to lose interest....the last 6 months I have not watched at all...

[Full Bug]

Lex Luger Arrested; Leads Police On Drunken Chase
Reported By: Ryan Clark on 01/31/2005


Wrestling personality Lex Luger — whose real name is Lawrence Pfohl — was arrested Monday morning on I-575 on DUI and other charges, Cherokee authorities said.

Pfohl was spotted stopped on the side of the interstate by a Cobb County police officer, said Cherokee Sheriff's Deputy Nicole Ebbeskotte.

When the officer went to investigate, he found Pfohl, 46, of Marietta slumped over the steering wheel of his vehicle, Ebbeskotte said.

Pfohl woke up and drove away, and the officer called Cherokee authorities for assistance. Pfohl was taken into custody on I-575 at Ga. 92 and charged with DUI, driving on an expired tag, alteration of tag, no proof of insurance and having an open container, Ebbeskotte said.

Pfohl's girlfriend and manager, Elizabeth Hulette, 42, died in his house in April 2003 of an accidental overdose of pills and alcohol.

[Full Bug]

Never liked Luger....Remember that tour of America thing he did in the WWE? That was a joke, a shame what he turned Elizabeth into....

[Big Troubles]

I met Luger in detroit when he wrestled Yokozuna for the world title. (1993 SummerSlam) He had his Lex-Express bus outside. Took a bunch of pics with him at the Palace of Auburn Hills. Great PPV. Good crowd. About 19,000 on hand. Sadly, I think that is the last time I had interest in Lex Luger at all. If you own or rent the WWE release of SummerSlam 93, the first 5 to 10 mins of the PPV, it scans the crowds outside of the building. Im the guy holding the Canada Flag with 2 of my buds. 15 mins of fame. (well closer to 2 mins...)

[Full Bug]

Cool....he was being groomed as the next WWE champ, thank god Bret Hart took the spot instead....

[Big Troubles]

Originally posted by Full Bug
Cool....he was being groomed as the next WWE champ, thank god Bret Hart took the spot instead....

yeah apparently pushing Bret hart as a World Champion was a last minute decision. Vince was pushing hard for Luger and Patterson wanted Hart, as Hart was a better wrestler and sold better. Thank God Vince listened to Pat. I wonder what decisions Vince is making, that he shouldn't be? Hedenreich would be one I guess. Jindrak and Luther could have better gimmicks as well. Ah Hell, half the entire roster could use a face lift. ;)

[Fairwrning]

Wrestling Star Lex Luger Arrested in Georgia for DUI and Other Charges
02-01-2005 5:21 PM

CANTON, Ga. -- Wrestling star Lex Luger has been arrested for DUI and other charges. The wrestler _ whose real name is Lawrence Pfohl _ was seen by a Cobb County police officer stopped on the side of Interstate 575 on Monday morning.

The officer found Pfohl, 46, slumped over the steering wheel of his vehicle, said Nicole Ebbeskotte of the Cherokee County Sheriff's Office. Pfohl woke up and drove away but the Cobb County officer called authorities in neighboring Cherokee County for assistance.

Pfohl was arrested and charged with DUI, driving on an expired tag, alteration of tag, no proof of insurance and open container, Ebbeskotte said.

Pfohl's girlfriend, wrestling icon "Miss Elizabeth" Hulette, died at the home they shared in April 2003 from an overdose of pills and alcohol. Pfohl was arrested then on drug charges

[redblkwht]

IMO Luger needs to go to the slammer & wake up..i think he got away with murder. just an opinion..He needs help as you see, or find himself
while in jail. Loser.

[Full Bug]

Lex Luger Pleads Guilty; Five Years Probation


Lawrence Pfohl — known to wrestling fans as Lex Luger — received five years probation Thursday after pleading guilty to possession of three kinds of steroids.

Pfohl simply said, "Yes, sir," as the judge asked if Pfohl was guilty. Pfohl was also ordered to pay a $1,000 fine and submit to drug tests.

Pfohl, 46, was charged in April 2003 after he called 911 when his girlfriend started choking on her dinner at his east Cobb home. The death of Elizabeth Hulette — known as Miss Elizabeth in wrestling circles — was ruled accidental but caused by an overdose of pills and alcohol. However, police found more than 1,000 illegal pills when they subsequently searched Pfohl's three-story townhouse.

Separately, Pfohl was arrested Monday and faces new charges including DUI. He was stopped on I-575, where an officer found Pfohl slumped over the steering wheel of his car along the side of the interstate, according to police reports. The officer approached, and Pfohl woke up and drove away, the report said.

At Thursday's hearing, Judge Frank R. Cox told Pfohl another similar arrest could affect his parole status on the drug charges which carry a maximum penalty of 25 years in prison.

Cox allowed Pfohl to enter a plea as a first offender, meaning if he complies with the conditions of his parole, his arrest record would be expunged.

[scottydabodi]

Looks like Luger's gone the Eddie VH route... straight into the shitter. He wasn't that good a wrestler, anyways, so who fuckin' cares. I just watched Smackdown tonight from Tokyo, and Angle vs. Mysterio was quite good... all the other matches were quite bad... If you all ain't got it, "The Rise and Fall of ECW" dvd is pretty damn good, and the second dvd has some classic matches. Excellent.

[Full Bug]

Originally posted by scottydabodi
I just watched Smackdown tonight from Tokyo, and Angle vs. Mysterio was quite good...
Just watched that match, yeah it was good, to bad to rest of the show sucked like it always does....

[monkeythe]

Got the new RVD DVD. Good matches and a decent program. The usual drawback of the music issue, but now that WWE bout the ECW music from Harry Slash & the slashtones that facet might improve in the future. There is one major drawback to this DVD. The DVD for the most part has RVD talk for a few minutes and then it goes to the match. You can not get to most of the matches without having to fastforward several minutes of commentary. I don't like this feature and hope that the WWE stops doing that immediately.
If you're an RVD fan then you should get it. If not, then I'd probably pass on this one.

[rustoffa]

Originally posted by Full Bug
Just watched that match, yeah it was good, to bad to rest of the show sucked like it always does....

Did you see the Jericho/Benoit submission match on Raw?

Great stuff. The Japanese fans were loving that.

[Full Bug]

Hey guys, can you name all the answers to these trivia questions?

1. Before Rick Steiner became an unprofessional guy who potatoed midcarders on Nitro, he was a very entertaining character and a powerhouse worker with inhuman strength as part of the Varsity Club in the late 80s. His interviews were so funny and he used to talk to his hand. His hand became his "imaginary" pet. What did Rick name this pet?

2. Poor Jake Roberts had to witness the Earthquake squash and kill his snake, Damien. Not to be outdone, Jake got another snake to replace Damien. What did Jake name this new pet of his?

3. Name 3 wrestlers, on any continent, who used the word "Animal" in their ring name.

4. A very famous tag team from the 60s was named after one of Australia's signature animals (the same animal Vince Russo wanted to book in a wrestler vs. animal match during a proposed tour of Australia). Ask your grandfather and name that tag team (just the team name is fine, no need to name the wrestlers themselves).

5. Those tough guys in the Legion of Doom sure had a sissy gimmick of that childhood toy they had in the WWF. Their manager, Paul Ellering, introduced a puppet named "Freckles" as the childhood toy of the Road Warriors. Luckily, the WWF changed the name of "Freckles" (but this gimmick was still lame beyond belief). What did they change the name of "Freckles" to? (Hint: Think Public Enemy)

6. The fate of the British Bulldogs is one of the saddest stories of the last 2 decades. Smith never lived to see 40, and Dynamite spends his days in major physical pain. But remember that little bulldog who used to accompany them to the ring and loved to chase and bite Bobby Heenan? Name her.

7. Rick Steamboat was a very popular babyface in the WWF in the late 80s. On one vengeful night, Steamboat brought his own pet to the ring, in a cage. What animal did Steamboat bring?

I know the answers to 2,4,6 and 7 and on number 3 can think of two of them, anyone know the rest?

[rustoffa]

I'll give those a go in a bit...

That "go-daddy" superbowl commercial chick is on raw.

*gulp*

[Full Bug]

Dont worry, that Hasann goof ruined the segment anyway...

[Full Bug]

C'mon Rust, thought you would come through on this one for sure....

[Island Boy]

Dude very good questions, and I remember some of that stuff............but have always sucked with names.

[Island Boy]

And on RAW, did you see how HHH had his beard??

I know he is a rock n roll fan, that had to be a tribute to Motorhead winning the grammy right?

[Mr Badguy]

2) Lucifer (I think)
5) Rocko
6) Matilda

The rest of the questions I ain`t sure about.

Who else was in the Varsity club?

Weren`t Mike "IRS" rotundo and Steve "Doctor death" Williams also members?

[monkeythe]

The Varsity Club was headed by Kevin Sullivan (Boston College) & features Mike Rotundo(a) aka IRS, Michael Wallstreet, & Captain Mike representting Syracuse University, Rick Steiner (Michigan University), Danny Spivey (Miami?), and Steve Williams joined later on (Oklahoma). I believe that Williams took Steiner's spot after Steiner was kicked out. As far as question 1 goes, I'm 50/50 his hand friend was Norman (not to be confused with Norman the Lunatic) & I believe he also had an imaginary dog.

As far as titles go, Rotundo held the TV title for almost a year & let Steiner defend his Florida title for a good portion of the year (88). The Club also held at different points the World tag & US tag titles.

[monkeythe]

Three animals:
Road Warrior Animal
George "The Animal" Steele
Animal Hamaguchi

[Mr Badguy]

Speaking of Normans.

Where is Norman Smiley?

[Full Bug]

So by now do we have all the questions right? Its a thing by Dave Meltzer, so if you get them all right you get your name mentioned and get a plug, would plug the Army of course.....

[Full Bug]

Originally posted by Mr Badguy
Speaking of Normans.
Where is Norman Smiley?
Far away I hope, he sucks.....

[Full Bug]

Originally posted by monkeythe
The Varsity Club was headed by Kevin Sullivan (Boston College) & features Mike Rotundo(a) aka IRS, Michael Wallstreet, & Captain Mike representting Syracuse University, Rick Steiner (Michigan University), Danny Spivey (Miami?), and Steve Williams joined later on (Oklahoma). I believe that Williams took Steiner's spot after Steiner was kicked out. As far as question 1 goes, I'm 50/50 his hand friend was Norman (not to be confused with Norman the Lunatic) & I believe he also had an imaginary dog.

As far as titles go, Rotundo held the TV title for almost a year & let Steiner defend his Florida title for a good portion of the year (88). The Club also held at different points the World tag & US tag titles.
Did you have to research that or did you just know that? Either way, thanx for the info...

[Mr Badguy]

Originally posted by Full Bug
Far away I hope, he sucks.....

I thought that screaming thing was funny.

Gillberg was funny too.

A lot funnier than watching Heidenreich or Snitsky.

[Big Troubles]

I miss Smiley as well. He had a couple of tryouts last year with WWE, but I think his age is a factor. Gillberg was a great comedy act. They should have a mock Brock Lesnar and let the two battle it out in comedy fashion at Wrestlemania 21. :D So whats the scoop on Hogan? Is it gonna be a role in Hall of Fame or an acting role in Wrestlemania? A run in maybe? Both...? Any good scoops? I have not heard anything on Savage being inducted or Steamboat for that matter.

[Wolverine]

guys why is wrestling these days the worst ever

[Full Bug]

Originally posted by Big Troubles
So whats the scoop on Hogan? Is it gonna be a role in Hall of Fame or an acting role in Wrestlemania? A run in maybe? Both...? Any good scoops? I have not heard anything on Savage being inducted or Steamboat for that matter.
I bet Hogan will be in next year, I thought he would be in this year until I heard Piper is in, those two dont exactly get along....
Both Savage and Steamboat deserve to be in......

[Full Bug]

Originally posted by The Godfather
guys why is wrestling these days the worst ever
God, thats a whole different thread....
I wouldnt say its at its worst ever, WCW in its dying days might be that...

[Big Troubles]

Yeah, but ya know, I'd trade any Smackdown! episode this year or last for that matter, for one more year of WcW. ;)

news from the Torch is, Hogan is negotiating some work with Austin at Wrestlemania. Handicap match with Hogan/Austin vs Muhamad/Davari and the Iron Sheik! 2 vs 3. This could be a fun Wrestlemania if Vince can get all the eggs in one basket quick enough.

[Mr Badguy]

Originally posted by Full Bug
Both Savage and Steamboat deserve to be in......

Yeah, but will Vince induct Steamboat?

He was always more NWA than WWF.

I read an interview with Steamboat about his second WWF run and he said Vince didn`t keep promises (surprise, surprise) about giving him some main events.

All he did was open shows and blow fire.

He seemed pretty pissed.

[Big Troubles]

Originally posted by Mr Badguy
Yeah, but will Vince induct Steamboat?

He was always more NWA than WWF.

I read an interview with Steamboat about his second WWF run and he said Vince didn`t keep promises (surprise, surprise) about giving him some main events.

All he did was open shows and blow fire.

He seemed pretty pissed.

I remember the interviews Ricky did, but I also remember him saying that Hogan was in Vince's ear too much, dictating who should run the main event spots. In fact, if Hogan and Savage were main eventing a house show in Boston, Steamboat and Jake Roberts were main eventing L.A for example. So really Steamboat had the main event spot, just NOT the same "A" show as Hogan. Now that Steamboat has made nice with Vince, and is working as a road agent full time, I wont be surprised to see Steamboat inducted VERY soon. This year or next at the latest. Even if he was a "NWA" guy more than "WWF", it certainly didn't stop Vince from inducting Pete Rose. ;)

[Big Troubles]

The bigger mystery will be with Savage. Vince has got a grudge with Randy like somethin' fierce. I heard it was because Randy walked out in 94 to join WcW. If that is the case, well, so did everyone else, right? So there must be more to it.

[monkeythe]

Originally posted by The Godfather
guys why is wrestling these days the worst ever

Because every wrestling site on the Internet says so and they thrive in negativity.

However, wrestling was much worse 10 years ago.

While we complain about Smackdown & Raw at least there are top quality matches (ex: Mysterio vs Angle, Benoit vs Jericho) as oppossed to the WWF days of (insert profession sterotype here) against some unknown guy. A TV main event match consisted of 2 professionals fighting it out to see who had the better job (ex: Garbage Man vs Evil Plummer). The PPV's sucked as WWF had no talent as they were running on Diesel power.
In the WCW you had the WWF Oldtimers tour going on and Hogan being booked in the most horrendous booking ever (example: Hulk loses first title to a man that died earlier in the evening in a monster truck battle, multiple outside interference, his manager turning on him & then getting dry humped by a mummy - yet despite all this he loses the title by a DQ his manager caused). The midcards featured WWF guys that were way over the hill destroying the good talents that WCW had (ex:Jim Duggan vs Steve Austin) If not for a friend introducing me to ECW at this time I probably would have stopped watching wrestling.


By the way Full Bug, I knew that stuff because I've been converting my old tapes to DVD and recently came across Varsity Club stuff.

[Big Troubles]

I grew up watching wrestling, so all the silly gimmicks never bothered me. I was at the right age for that time period I guess. Im glad its more edgy and "in your face", but if there was one thing to change it would be the stories. They use 90's cartoonish stories and mix it up with vulgarity at its best. Best wrestling, pure wrestling, with good stories would be coming from the NWA mid 80's, and WWF late 90's.

[Full Bug]

Originally posted by monkeythe

By the way Full Bug, I knew that stuff because I've been converting my old tapes to DVD and recently came across Varsity Club stuff.
Cool, any chance you could make me a tape of that stuff and send it to me? I would pay for shipping no problem.....

[monkeythe]

Originally posted by monkeythe
As far as question 1 goes, I'm 50/50 his hand friend was Norman (not to be confused with Norman the Lunatic) & I believe he also had an imaginary dog.


I was wrong about his hand puppets name. It was Alex. I popped in a copy of Starrcade 88 to doublecheck the name.

[monkeythe]

Originally posted by Full Bug
Cool, any chance you could make me a tape of that stuff and send it to me? I would pay for shipping no problem.....

I'm 3 months into the conversion process & still have a bit to go. I'm over 150 DVDs into this project and am finally seeing the light at the end of the tunnel. When I finish this up I'll let the army members know and see what can be worked out.

[Full Bug]

150? Holy crap....
If it would be a hassle dont worry about it dude.....

[rustoffa]

Originally posted by monkeythe
I'm 3 months into the conversion process & still have a bit to go. I'm over 150 DVDs into this project and am finally seeing the light at the end of the tunnel. When I finish this up I'll let the army members know and see what can be worked out.

I got alotta stuff as well.
Haha, I found one titled "Hall Throws Up".

Are you familiar with RF Video?

They have an extensive listing.

The "Gold Mine" series has all the old Mid-Atlantic, AWA, Florida Championship, etc stuff.....plus vids dedicated to individual legends.

http://rfvideo.com/index.cfm

[monkeythe]

Originally posted by rustoffa
I got alotta stuff as well.
Haha, I found one titled "Hall Throws Up".

Are you familiar with RF Video?

They have an extensive listing.

The "Gold Mine" series has all the old Mid-Atlantic, AWA, Florida Championship, etc stuff.....plus vids dedicated to individual legends.

http://rfvideo.com/index.cfm

While RF Video has a lot of goodies, I can't buy from the guy because I can't let my money go to a computer pedolphile.

http://www.pwinsider.com/ViewArticle.asp?id=1211&p=30

[monkeythe]

If you get a chance tonight, check out the coming attractions at the end of tonight's Surreal Life. X-Pac comes to the house & trouble ensues. Can't wait to see that episode when it airs in 2 weeks.

[rustoffa]

Originally posted by monkeythe
While RF Video has a lot of goodies, I can't buy from the guy because I can't let my money go to a computer pedolphile.

http://www.pwinsider.com/ViewArticle.asp?id=1211&p=30

Yeah, I had heard about that.

I also heard he sold the thing to one of the other guys that worked there after that shit went down.

Haven't gotten anything from there in quite sometime, if he's still running it, gotta agree with your sentiments.

[rustoffa]

No Way Out results- Damn, they're puttin' Cena over bigtime.

- Heat: Charlie Haas and Hardcore Holly def. Kenzo Suzuki and Rene Dupree
- Tag Titles: Eddie Guerrero and Rey Mysterio def. The Basham Brothers to win the titles
- Booker T def. Heidenreich by disqualification
- Cruiserweight Title Six Man: Chavo Guerrero def. Paul London to win the title
- The Undertaker def. Luther Reigns
- Rookie Diva Contest Winner: Joy Giovanni
- Tournament Final: John Cena def. Kurt Angle
- WWE Title Barbwire Cage Match: JBL def. The Big Show to retain

[Mr Badguy]

JBL is sure getting a run with that belt.

[Big Troubles]

Cena sucks. JBL sucks. Big Show sucks. Even Kurt Angle is stale. That show is in the shitter.

They need to treat the cruisers' with respect. Paul London in ROH and his short time in TNA was better used, with little publicity and no "storylines". Why can't Vince just push the "real" athletes for a change, instead of pushing everyone that's 260 plus lbs and treating them all like monsters. Personally, I think London holding a World title strap makes more sense from a business point of view. if your World's champ is 6' and weighs 200lbs max, he's more real, like you; like me. But when The shiny teeth cowboy, millionaire wrestles a bald Giant in a crappy barb wire match, it just screams rediculous. Vince doesn't see his demographic is 20's to 30 yr olds. Still treats his fans with ignorance. Its boring now. (although raw is better by far)

[DLRDUDE]

Wrestling, what a joke! Talk about who's really not an athlete:rolleyes:

[Big Troubles]

you cant be serious? you dont think wrestlers are athletes?

[Big Troubles]

go ahead. Lets see if another athlete from ANY other sport can attempt this move. Then lets ask the wrestler doing this move if he can run with a football or hit a ball with a wooden bat? :D Ride a bike? Swim?

[Big Troubles]

my point is: I can think of MANY sports that are real, and I question their athleticism. ;)

[rustoffa]

Bill Goldturd said it (wrestling, the training, the road, the bumps) was far worse than the NFL.

I have close personal friends that are indy workers.

You don't know what the fuck you're typing about.

[Big Troubles]

exactly. Even Jim Neidhardt said football was a womens sport compared to working for Vince in the 80's. Most "wrestlers" can't even hack it after awhile. Goldberg is one. Look at Nathan Jones. Same with Brock actually. he walked away from a million dollar a year contract to "gamble" on football, with no prior training and failed. But said he left WWE because it was too grueling and demanding.

don't you just hate the people that think wrestling is "stupid, dumb" or this is a good one "fake". Like we dont know. Wow!!! Scotty 2 Hotty is doing the "worm" all over the ring, and the guy must be so hurt, 'cause he aint moving after ONE clothesline. :D

Its the entertainment that is provided to us, the wrestling fas, by those athletes that travel the world in pain, 300 days a year, that make sure we're happy and they do what they love and make hardly anything to do it.

No other "sport" even comes close to me.

[rustoffa]

My friend Ryan AKA "The Loonatic" was trained by Abdullah. That fucker has been all over the country trying to "get over". He's wrestled in Puerto Rico on cards with Abby. I've seen him work matches AGAINST Abby and blade himself to death, not to mention taking horrible bumps.

Is he an athlete? Would you consider coming to work on monday limping after a brutal match with Balls Mahoney athletic?

Make no mistake, as hokey or whatever you cuntsider "wrasslin" to be....it's kinda a tough road to hoe.

"The Loonatic".

[Big Troubles]

Originally posted by rustoffa
My friend Ryan AKA "The Loonatic" was trained by Abdullah. That fucker has been all over the country trying to "get over". He's wrestled in Puerto Rico on cards with Abby. I've seen him work matches AGAINST Abby and blade himself to death, not to mention taking horrible bumps.

Is he an athlete? Would you consider coming to work on monday limping after a brutal match with Balls Mahoney athletic?

Make no mistake, as hokey or whatever you cuntsider "wrasslin" to be....it's kinda a tough road to hoe.

"The Loonatic".

Balls Mahoney, Id consider an athlete. Damn right. ;)

[bueno bob]

It's true - I watched Raw last night just for the shits and giggles and it just fucking stupid. Boring, predictable, lame ass story lines...and if Smackdown's even worse, I don't plan on tuning in Thursday. Didn't we already see the Batista/HHH thing a couple months back with Randy Orton? Seems like a totally rehashed storyline.

They really need to get some new writers in there and figure out something that works.

[Big Troubles]

I though some stuff worked on Raw. Like the women's match and at the very least the usage of Steven Richards, albeit as a jobber to a fucking unknown, unproven talent but hey... :)

Its just a matter of time before the right story comes along for the right wrestlers... Dx, nWo and the 4 Horsemen all had there peaks...There just needs to be a new story with a new way of presenting it before other non fans catch on and all of a sudden, the wrestling business is booming again. But I do agree, right now everything is just dumb. The characters are at their weakest right now. Too much wrestling on tv too. What is there like 4 PPV's a month now with wrestling? Plus Fanattic series? Like shit...

[scottydabodi]

Originally posted by DLRDUDE
Wrestling, what a joke! Talk about who's really not an athlete:rolleyes:

DUDE, if you think these guys aren't atheletes, then your dillusional...

PS -Kurt Angle is an OLYMPIC GOLD MEDALIST.

[scottydabodi]

Originally posted by bueno bob
It's true - I watched Raw last night just for the shits and giggles and it just fucking stupid. Boring, predictable, lame ass story lines...and if Smackdown's even worse, I don't plan on tuning in Thursday. Didn't we already see the Batista/HHH thing a couple months back with Randy Orton? Seems like a totally rehashed storyline.

They really need to get some new writers in there and figure out something that works.

True that BB, it is a little rehashed... I like Batista to an extent, I think Orton is more gifted in the ring, although him as a face just SUCKS. They NEED to quit making Flair look like HHH's bitch, and take the title off HHH for a bit, and let someone else hold the torch... Hunter can't go 2 months without throwing a hissy fit about being champ when someone else has the belt.... what a toad.

[DLRDUDE]

Well a certain unnamed uninformed resident of the loser club made a comment about Nascar drivers not being real athletes. Of course wrestlers' are real athletes, I take it back. That was more of a bad comparison. Now if you want to compare rehearsing wrestling to auto racing you're barking up the wrong tree. Wrestling ,for the most part they know what is going to happen when they hit the mat and God forbid they miss their landing by a nano inch but a race driver doesn't plan for a smack into the wall due to a blown tire at 180 mph.

[Mr Badguy]

Originally posted by DLRDUDE
Well a certain unnamed uninformed resident of the loser club made a comment about Nascar drivers not being real athletes. Of course wrestlers' are real athletes, I take it back. That was more of a bad comparison. Now if you want to compare rehearsing wrestling to auto racing you're barking up the wrong tree. Wrestling ,for the most part they know what is going to happen when they hit the mat and God forbid they miss their landing by a nano inch but a race driver doesn't plan for a smack into the wall due to a blown tire at 180 mph.

Yeah, but I bet there are more injuries in wrestling than there are in any motor sport.

Especially these days where pro wrestlers take stupider bumps than ever: chair shots, powerbombs through tables, chokeslammed through cages etc.

Even when it is all meticulously planned, things can go wrong.

Like the Owen Hart thing, and that was just on the way to the ring.

[Carmine]

Hey you guys...I read my sons copy of Raw magazine for March today.

Steve Austin is gonna make 3 movies for "WWE Films"???

When did Vince delve into Hollywood?

I know about Hogans movies and he has peice of The Rocks films...but this sounded like it was strictly a WWE only project...????

[DLRDUDE]

Originally posted by Mr Badguy
Yeah, but I bet there are more injuries in wrestling than there are in any motor sport.

Especially these days where pro wrestlers take stupider bumps than ever: chair shots, powerbombs through tables, chokeslammed through cages etc.

Even when it is all meticulously planned, things can go wrong.

Like the Owen Hart thing, and that was just on the way to the ring.

I remember When Owen Hart died, that was the weirdest thing I never saw. It was happening and then the screen went blank. Later whatever footage was showed you couldn't make out what exactly happened, cables tangling or something like that or his harness broke...really sad

[Full Bug]

Hulk Hogan has a tough life these days.....:rolleyes:

BELLEAIR - You could blame a relentless rooster named Lilly.

Or perhaps two chihuahuas and a maltese who happen to be registered members of the Screen Actors Guild.

You could even trace it back to the six dogs, three French hens, two cats, 11 other birds, five tortoises, two chinchillas, two ferrets, two iguanas, two rabbits and two toxic frogs who once lived on the 2.3-acre spread of suburbia that pro wrestling legend Hulk Hogan calls home.

Whatever you blame, one thing is clear: Hulk and his family are embroiled in an emotional smackdown with Belleair officials and some neighbors, who say the animals have taken over the block.

Al Raeford, a gardener for Hulk's next-door neighbor, can't take Lilly's constant crowing.

"That drives me crazy and, I'm telling you, I was raised on a farm," he said.

But Hulk, 51, and his family believe they are the victims. His wife became so upset at a public hearing this week she described officials with a choice expletive - a scene captured by the family's own film crew.

"We're trying to live our life here and get along," said Hulk, whose real name is Terry Bollea, "and they're hell-bent on trying to get rid of our animals."


* * *

Neighbors have sporadically complained ever since Lilly came on the scene.

The Bolleas adopted him several years ago as a science project for daughter Brooke, now 16. They thought Lilly was just a cute, fuzzy chicken at first, before they realized she was a he.

"By the time it started to crow, I went to the city and explained the situation," said Linda Bollea, who received a domestic fowl permit in January 2000. Things intensified last spring after the town received a letter from an attorney for Bollea's next-door neighbors, Mary and Marshall Rinker, saying the animals were a nuisance, smelly and dangerous to their health.

Town leaders ordered inspections in July, August and December, which found as many as 14 animals - although different inspectors saw different creatures.

At a Dec. 6 code enforcement meeting, Linda Bollea said the family owned 25 animals.

The town code allows only five.

The code enforcement board gave the Bolleas until Feb. 7 to comply.

Nobody, the Bolleas say, understands their situation. Their two chihuahuas, Foxy and Star, and their maltese, Cookie, actually reside at the family's Clearwater beach house, the couple said. They said the dogs, which are registered with the Screen Actors Guild, only visit the Belleair home, to film an upcoming TV show they're shooting about a celebrity family living in suburbia.

None of that matters to Town Manager Steve Cottrell.

"I don't think our code speaks to visitation of pets on a continuing basis," he said.

The Bolleas said the town is targeting them because of their celebrity status.

"We're trying to blend in and not push our celebrity on the community, and it's almost like they have nothing better to do but to pry into our lives," Linda Bollea, 45, said.

But a few in the neighborhood said it's high time the famous wrestler and his family follow the law.

Raeford, the Rinker's gardener, said his bosses have been tortured by the incessant cackling, crowing and barking.

"These people are too nice to go through this," said Raeford of his employers, who both suffer from debilitating illnesses. "The whole neighborhood is scared of them and it's just not right."

Edwin "Doc" Friesen, neighborhood association president, and his wife, Luckey, said the Bolleas' dogs chase after them as they stroll along the path to the association marina.

"Even the rooster will run right along the fence crowing and having a good ol' time," Luckey Friesen said.

The Bolleas, determined to go to the mat for their animals, hired an attorney, Paul S. Maney, who calls the town code "vague and overbroad."

Section 10-2 of the code reads: "No person shall keep or maintain upon any residential property within the town more than a total of or any combination of five domestic animals at any one time."

Maney and the Bolleas said the code implies that each person can have five animals. So, since the Hogans live with their two teenage kids, they were well within the guidelines.

Town officials and members of the code enforcement board admit that Belleair's animal codes should be clarified.

Still, the Bolleas agreed to cut back to six - four dogs, a bird and Lilly, which they said shouldn't count because of the permit.

On Feb. 7, the latest official inspection, investigators witnessed six animals on the property.

This week, a St. Petersburg Times reporter saw a few animals on the Bolleas' property that inspectors didn't note: an orange cat, a black cat and a blackish chicken.

A code enforcement meeting was scheduled for Wednesday to determine if the Bolleas were still violating the code.


* * *

The wrestler brought a crew from his son's production company, Holy Shift Productions, to film the meeting.

He said he wanted to document for himself why the town was forcing them to get rid of their furry and feathered friends.

A camera was poised on the lectern, as attorneys for the city and the Bolleas took turns making their case.

Then the board ruled: The Bolleas were still violating the code. They must pay a fine of $100 a day, dating back to Feb. 7, until they get rid of one more animal.

Linda Bollea burried her head in her hands and broke into heavy sobs. She ran out of Town Hall with a cameraman behind her.

Wearing a white tank top, blue and red surfer shorts and his trademark bandana, Bollea followed Cottrell into his office. Towering over the town manager, the wrestler told him the town was treating them unfairly.

"It's clear as writing on paper," Bollea said, his voice steady. "All we're going by is the code."

But Cottrell told him they weren't going to have that conversation and headed out the door.

From the Town Hall steps, Mrs. Bollea screamed at the code enforcement board: "You guys are heartless and cold. You're making my life miserable. You guys are a-------."

Fifteen minutes later, she had mellowed a bit.

"I did not mean to lose my cool," Mrs. Bollea said. "I just lost it. Each and every one of those people are lying under oath. I think they want me to get rid of the rooster, but they wrote a permit for that rooster."

The match isn't over. Hulk and his family have asked a circuit court judge to review the local board's decision.

[Full Bug]

[i]
From the Town Hall steps, Mrs. Bollea screamed at the code enforcement board: "You guys are heartless and cold. You're making my life miserable. You guys are a-------."
[/B]
Damm, how can she live with such an injustice? My heart bleeds....:rolleyes:
Dont you hate it when the rich are harressed?

[Full Bug]

Steve Austin will appear in Piper's Pit at WrestleMania, that could be interesting if done right, wont be as good as Piper hitting Snuka with the coconut though.....

[Mr Badguy]

Piper`s coming back again?

Oh yeah, for his "Hall of fame" induction.

Still no place for Savage or Steamboat.

At least they`re letting Jimmy Hart in.

One of the classic WWF managers.

[Carmine]

Is there a full list of HOF inductees for this year?

[Full Bug]

Hogan's induction will overshadow everyone else who shows up, once again Hogan makes me sick.....

[rustoffa]

Originally posted by Full Bug
Hogan's induction will overshadow everyone else who shows up, once again Hogan makes me sick.....

I used to write on a dirt sheet quite a bit, and I have to say I can probably barely count past the index finger the total number of anti-Hogan Canadian fans I've encountered.

Ban the Leg-Drop!

Full Bug for Prime Minister!

:D

[Full Bug]

Originally posted by rustoffa

Full Bug for Prime Minister!
:D
Hmmmmmm, only if it pays well.....
That statement might make a nice new sig....JK...:D

[monkeythe]

Hulk Hogan
Roddy Piper
Bob Orton Jr.
Jimmy Hart
Paul Orndorf
Iron Shiek
Nikolai Volkoff

[monkeythe]

Last post was the full list of this years HOF, sorry for the fuck up.

[Full Bug]

Savage shoud "Snap Into The Hall Of Fall" instead of Slim Jims.....

[Fairwrning]

They're taping "Smackdown" here tonight..was seriously thinking about getting a ticket and making a sign...1 side would say DLR ARMY.COM...the other...HAGAR SUCKS...
:D

[Carmine]

Originally posted by fairwrning
They're taping "Smackdown" here tonight..was seriously thinking about getting a ticket and making a sign...1 side would say DLR ARMY.COM...the other...HAGAR SUCKS...
:D

Dude...do it !! That would be cool!!

Thanks Monkeythe for the full list of HOF inductees!

[Fairwrning]

well..went to the show tonight..with my "HAGAR SUX"sign...rolled up thru the main door to will-call and the babe at the door looked at the sign and agreed..very cool..got my tickets..had to go thru the gate to actually get into the main part of the civic center..the lady there made me unroll it so she could see it..the bitch threw my sign away saying that SUX was offensive!!
I couldn't believe it..i thought she was joking but she said i couldn't take the sign in..
Anyway..the show sucked..it was an hour of Velocity bullshit..Hardcore Holly was the biggest name and got a real good response..
Then when it came to smackdown segment..JBL comes out and blows up the spinner belt in a trashcan(kinda funny actually..the guy talks a good part)
Booker T got his ass handed to him till he gets a chairshot in at the end..No Torrie..no babes at all except a dark skinned chick at the velocity part..nice ass..
Undertaker only shows long enuff to tombstone Carribean cool..that guy is pretty fuckin funny..good bit with him looking for the Undertaker..
Cina carried the show but didnt wrestle till a "last minute" tag match with the big show Vs. JBL and the dude that won the US title..
pretty dull all in all but a couple of highlights..

[Fairwrning]

2000....

[Full Bug]

Gail Kim topless...Not sure why they let her go, she was a decent wrestler, now we get to see Trish vs Christy Hemme or whatever her name is at Wrestlemania? She cant even wrestle, what a joke....

[Mr Badguy]

Hey, where did them tits go, Bug?

[Full Bug]

Not sure, it was there yesterday, I didnt remove it....

[Full Bug]

Christy Hemme isnt the sharpest knife in the drawer eh?

Christy Hemme was on Howard Stern yesterday. The major thrust is she has no clue of current events, as she got smoked by an 11-year old in a current events contest. When asked the team that ran against Bush & Cheyney, she did not John Kerry, but didn't know John Edwards. Her 11-year-old opponent didn't know who was the head of the WWE. Thankfully Hemme got that right, and also knew enough to say HHH was one of the best wrestles in the industry. She claimed she hadn't had sex since October and described her boobs as "fake, really expensive silicon, really soft." Mostly Stern doing sex talk and they had her change into a schoolgirl outfit and she talked about wearing little girl panties. Stern started spanking her, causing someone on the show to ask, "How are we constantly overlooked at the Emmys?"

--A boy in a wheelchair with tons of health issues was offered $10,000 prize if he picked who would win the current events quiz. He picked Hemme. Stern thought he was crazy to pick her. He was still given $5,000 for being a good sport.
Here were the questions:
Who is the U.S. Secretary of Defense? The 11-year-old knew (Donald Rumsfeld). Christy didn't
Who is the Secretary of State? The 11-year-old knew (Condoleeza Rica). Christy didn't
What Film won Best Picture at the Oscars? The 11-year-old knew (Million Dollar Baby). Christy didn't. This confirms Christy either lives in a vacuum, or a part of her anatomy is a vacuum
In the last election, who did Bush & Cheyney beat? The 11-year-old knew. Christy got it half right.
Good job representing the industry there.

[Don Corleone]

Whats the story with Orton vs Taker? Don't say Vince is going to use Taker now to try and get Orton over

[Mr Badguy]

Orton Vs Taker?

Who`s the heel?

[Don Corleone]

Oton by the looks of it

[Mr Badguy]

Are they restarting that "Legend killer" angle again, then?

[Full Bug]

Trying to I guess....They would be better off turning Orton heel again....
And whats with this "I challenge Undertaker" crap? Nice way to get people not to give a crap about the feud, you need Orton to lay him out big time or vice versa, thats the way you start a fued....
I miss Undertaker locking guys like Hogan or Warrior in caskets to start feuds, now thats how its done....

[rustoffa]

Originally posted by Mr Badguy
Are they restarting that "Legend killer" angle again, then?

Hmmmm....Orton an acolyte?
:D

[rustoffa]

Originally posted by Full Bug
Trying to I guess....They would be better off turning Orton heel again....
And whats with this "I challenge Undertaker" crap? Nice way to get people not to give a crap about the feud, you need Orton to lay him out big time or vice versa, thats the way you start a fued....
I miss Undertaker locking guys like Hogan or Warrior in caskets to start feuds, now thats how its done....

Man, Vince needs to re-read the chapter on building heat.

[monkeythe]

Originally posted by rustoffa
Man, Vince needs to re-read the chapter on building heat.

Vince really needs to read Walking for Dummies, especially the chapter on steps.

[Dan]

What ever happened to Bad News Brown?

[Don Corleone]

Originally posted by Mr Badguy
Are they restarting that "Legend killer" angle again, then?

Thats the idea and the word they're throwing around at the minute.

[Mr Badguy]

I assume it will be some sort of special match, like a casket match or a buried alive match?

How many times can they kill the Undertaker convincingly?

What happened to his feud with Luther Reigns?

I see they`re building heat between him and Jindrak.

That`ll be a real mid card "who gives a fuck" match.

[Full Bug]

Originally posted by Dan
What ever happened to Bad News Brown?
He has been retired for some time now....
http://come.to/bnb99

[Full Bug]

Originally posted by Mr Badguy

That`ll be a real mid card "who gives a fuck" match.
I would say every match Taker has had the last few years has been a who gives a fuck match.....

[Full Bug]

Can you guys believe this is the Ultimate Warrior? Wow....

SPEAK TO ME, C-SPAN



Some wrestlers live their gimmicks. Some wrestlers live in the past. Most of ‘em live in Florida. But The Ultimate Warrior lives on a whole ‘nother plane of reality. An aging Warrior (who now looks like a cross between a homeless guy, a crackhead, and the Fonz) somehow wound up on C-SPAN in 2003, where he spoke to the youth about the evils of liberalism. Highlights included Warrior taking a potshot at Hulk Hogan, demanding four times for his music to be cut, ordering the crowd to applaud for themselves, and boasting about how he taught his two-year-old daughter to say “stinky liberal.” Sound funny? Well, it was…for about a minute. Warrior’s hateful tirade went on for OVER AN HOUR. The whole deal was hypnotically bizarre, and gorilla pressed it into your skull that the Warrior is just completely fucking nuts.

[Dan]

Originally posted by Full Bug
He has been retired for some time now....
http://come.to/bnb99

Thanks Full Bug,I had just checked out his site.

[bueno bob]

Oh my fuckin' God.

Dude, THAT'S the Ultimate Warrior?

Holy shit, I feel SO old now...sigh...

[Full Bug]

Originally posted by bueno bob
Oh my fuckin' God.
Dude, THAT'S the Ultimate Warrior?
Holy shit, I feel SO old now...sigh...
Scary eh?:eek:

[Don Corleone]

Has anyone ever visited his website?

[Matt White]

I remember when Luger got busted The Warrior cracked on him for being a "50 year old trying to play a young man's game". Funny mofo!

[Full Bug]

Originally posted by Don Corleone
Has anyone ever visited his website?
Once or twice, I really cant be bothered reading his rants....

[Full Bug]

You guys should check out the 50 dumbest moments in wrestling ever, some funny stuff in here....
http://www.thewrestlingfan.com/dumbest1.html

[bueno bob]

Originally posted by Don Corleone
Has anyone ever visited his website?

I think somebody had a link to it here once...I went there and checked it out but didn't see any pics...who would actually want to READ all that? I didn't think anything could be worse than spending four hours in front of your computer reading a rant by Andrew WK on his site, but at least those are relatively interesting...Warrior's rants are just plain silly...

Thankfully, most people remember him in his heyday...if they bother to remember him at all...lol...

[Full Bug]

This one makes me laugh for some reason....:D
50. DYNAMITE HORSES AROUND

Steroid addiction is nothing to laugh at. But when Tom “Dynamite Kid” Billington couldn’t find his regular steroids, and thus, thought it would be a good idea to use a HORSE STEROID instead, well, that IS something to laugh at. Loudly. This and many other tales of Dynamite drug-fueled debauchery can be found in the pages of his book, “Pure Dynamite,” easily one of the finest wrestling books ever written.

[Roguesgirl]

I used to watch WWF years and years ago. When Vince M. was just a commentator. WOW...times have changed.

Most of the wrestlers are hot now! :cool:

It used to just be big fat guys slapping eachother around, now they are in pretty decent condition.

[bueno bob]

Originally posted by Roguesgirl
I used to watch WWF years and years ago. When Vince M. was just a commentator. WOW...times have changed.

Most of the wrestlers are hot now! :cool:

It used to just be big fat guys slapping eachother around, now they are in pretty decent condition.

Problem being that the storylines, acting, fueds, et al are so unspeakably STUPID it's hard to watch even for the beauty :(

Seriously, I can stomach wrestling maybe once or twice every five months or so, that's about it...

[RogueHorseman]

Originally posted by Roguesgirl
I used to watch WWF years and years ago. When Vince M. was just a commentator. WOW...times have changed.

Most of the wrestlers are hot now! :cool:

It used to just be big fat guys slapping eachother around, now they are in pretty decent condition.

Careful there, sweetie, or I'll have to reveal the fact that you used to have a George "The Animal" Steele poster on your wall back in the day...

Oops!

;)

errr, ummmmm.... carry on, everyone.

[RogueHorseman]

Originally posted by bueno bob
Problem being that the storylines, acting, fueds, et al are so unspeakably STUPID it's hard to watch even for the beauty :(

Seriously, I can stomach wrestling maybe once or twice every five months or so, that's about it...

I will avoid getting into the whole chemical/steroid discussion we've all talked to death. But, it is obviously the facts of the matter as far as the "look" goes...

As far as the product? Could not agree more, Bueno, and for a very long time.

But, there is some hope found over at TNA today. There really is. If you want to see an outstanding, up to four star ring workrate, combined with a good blending of old school and new era storylines, then you need to check it out.

Not to discount the valid arguments against certain aspects of the TNA product in its early stages. Nor, the anti-WWE bias by others and the general "the current product sucks overall compared to back in the day..." by almost every one of us.

But.........., having said all that, I could not help but take note of the recent comments (below) by our friend Dave Meltzer, of Wrestling Observer "fame" in his review of tonights TNA PPV.

It certainly struck me as a refreshing and open minded change of pace in regards to TNA coverage in the wrestling press.

They are finally getting their fair shake, it seems, and I can personally vouch for how hard the whole crew down there has worked to earn such reviews and respect.

...thus far, the TNA PPV shows have been blowing away the WWE shows. Even the Rumble as an overall show couldn't touch the last three TNA shows, and you don't event want to get into comparisons with shows like New Year's Revolution and No Way Out.

[rustoffa]

Originally posted by Full Bug
You guys should check out the 50 dumbest moments in wrestling ever, some funny stuff in here....
http://www.thewrestlingfan.com/dumbest1.html

How 'bout one of the greatest moments in wrestling ever?
:D

[bfm]

that wasnt a great moment,, that was the shambles, damn that yellow shirted man to hell

[VHdamaco]

Originally posted by rustoffa
How 'bout one of the greatest moments in wrestling ever?
:D

i remember that match...

it was my first pay per view and i hand't fully been aware of the fact that wrestling was fake just yet...

damn near cried afterwards

[Full Bug]

Originally posted by rustoffa
How 'bout one of the greatest moments in wrestling ever?
:D
Looked good on him, Goldberg is as dumb as a fence post anyway....

WINDOWS BY GOLDBERG

Many wrestlers never seem to get the credit they deserve for performing on live TV. With no re-takes or do-overs, guys have one shot to do it and do it right. More often than not, everything goes off without a hitch. Other times, quick thinking and improvisational skills are called upon to save the day. Then there was Bill Goldberg and the damn limo.

During a January 2000 episode of WCW Thunder, the big angle of the night called for Goldberg to bust out the windows of the NEW “new” nWo's limo. To accomplish this feat, Goldberg was armed with a small black pipe. Held in Goldberg’s black glove against the backdrop of a night sky, the pipe was virtually invisible, giving the illusion that Goldberg was smashing the glass with nothing but his own superhuman strength. Only problem was, after breaking the first window, the pipe went flying out of Goldberg’s hand and inside the vehicle. The angle was being filmed live, so Goldberg couldn’t really open the door and crawl in to begin the chore of trying to find a tiny black pipe inside a limo with a black interior. Goldberg thought to himself, “No big, I’ll just break the rest of ‘em myself.” And so he did. A tedious string of “thump-thump-thump-crash” spots ensued as Goldberg discovered that limo windows were not designed to be broken by man. Oh yeah, and during one break, the big dummy shredded his ligaments on the broken glass, and had to sit on the shelf for half a year until his wing healed up.

While no one scoffs at the perils of live television, the thought process that encouraged Bill to go mano-y-mano with thick limousine glass in the first place had many thinking that Goldberg was hitting a different kind of “pipe.”

[twonabomber]

so what's with the WWE/Spike contract? i hear Vince wanted $40 million and Spike said no.

i went back a couple pages and didn't see anything....

[Full Bug]

They will likely end up on the USA network again....

[Mr Badguy]

Originally posted by Full Bug
While no one scoffs at the perils of live television, the thought process that encouraged Bill to go mano-y-mano with thick limousine glass in the first place had many thinking that Goldberg was hitting a different kind of “pipe.”

LOL:D

[RogueHorseman]

Originally posted by Full Bug
They will likely end up on the USA network again....

Yeah, and for about the same dollar figure they were getting when they dumped USA after, what, twenty years for that 28m Spike payday...

[Full Bug]

Who saw Jake The Sake Roberts on Raw last night? Did he ever look out of shape, looked like he ate one of his snakes....
Was cool seeing the Rockers perform together again....

[Mr Badguy]

Hey, Wrestlecrap.com has got a clip of the Macho Man Randy Savage`s rap classic "Be a man".

Get over there and have a listen.

It`s hilarious.

Also Bobby Heenan`s orgasmic introduction of "The Narcissist" Lex Luger.

That site rules.

[Carmine]

Originally posted by Full Bug

Was cool seeing the Rockers perform together again....

Theres the answer to my question, Full Bug.

TY

[bueno bob]

Originally posted by Full Bug
Who saw Jake The Sake Roberts on Raw last night? Did he ever look out of shape, looked like he ate one of his snakes....
Was cool seeing the Rockers perform together again....

I don't ever recall Jake ever being "In" shape per se, but man he did look a bit chunky there...maybe he's kicking off the drugs and putting some weight on? One could hope...

Sorry I didn't watch Raw now! Is the WWE bringing him back for some sort of position (I doubt it's as a performer, but I think he'd be GREAT as a commentator or something)...

[Full Bug]

He did an interview after the show where he talked about his hip injury and surgery coming up and said he "let the cat (or snake) out of the bag" when accidentally mentioning that he might be coming back full-time, but its not official yet...Thats down the road the though as he needs his hip replaced....

[Mr Badguy]

Originally posted by bueno bob
Sorry I didn't watch Raw now! Is the WWE bringing him back for some sort of position (I doubt it's as a performer, but I think he'd be GREAT as a commentator or something)...

I think he`d be great for getting a new guy over as a mentor and mouthpiece.

Kinda like he did with The Ultimate Warrior back in the day.

"BURY ME, SNAKE MAN! BURY ME!"

[Full Bug]

I want to see him sick a cobra on someone again like he did with Randy Savage years ago, that was too cool....

[Mr Badguy]

At least that one bit.

Not like that one in the match he had with Sting.

[rustoffa]

Originally posted by Full Bug
Who saw Jake The Sake Roberts on Raw last night? Did he ever look out of shape, looked like he ate one of his snakes....
Was cool seeing the Rockers perform together again....

I was at the show and the crowd popped bigtime for Jake.

He lives in the area, and that's about the just of his appearance.

After Raw went off the air, Bischoff came out and demanded the tag-team matchup all the dirt sheets had eluded to.

Anyone else notice Flair kinda "losing it"? If they re-visit the WCW crazy angle, it'll be grate.

Anyway, Roberts came out towards the end of the tag match and DDT'd HHH....unbeleivable pop....HHH laid there with the snake on him for awhile.

HHH continues to be a monster heel for the ages and the benchmark.

Arguably still the best in the business.

[monkeythe]

I hope he got enough of money from the appearance so he can buy some food for this snake

[Mr Badguy]

Originally posted by rustoffa
HHH continues to be a monster heel for the ages and the benchmark.

Arguably still the best in the business.

That would be true if he would let some other guys get over.

Kinda like Flair did when he was on top fifteen years ago.

Although he always had the belt, he showed enough vulnerability to make you think that he might lose it on any given night.

HHH never does that.

He`s doing the exact same thing Hogan and Nash did at WCW.

If Batista beats him for the belt (which I think he will for the good of the WWE), he will only have it for about four weeks tops (when HHH will become 11 times world champ).

When was the last time that belt changed between two guys other than HHH?

[Full Bug]

I agree 110% about what you said on HHH Mr.Badguy....

[Mr Badguy]

Originally posted by Full Bug
I agree 110% about what you said on HHH Mr.Badguy....

They should let Batista have a good run with the belt and beat Hunter`s ass for a while then turn him heel.

That would be the best idea for the business.

It`ll never happen, though, cos of HHH politics.

If Batista stays as Raw`s top face then he will always have to be feuding with the top heel, HHH.

Either that or it`s the mid-card and boring feuds with Kane or Snitsky or whoever.

HHH doesn`t need the belt.

The Undertaker doesn`t need the belt to sell tickets, neither does Kurt Angle or Shawn Michaels and HHH is just as over as those guys are.

It`s all about ego.

WWE needs to get more young guys over than ever before because there are fewer and fewer ready made "superstars" out there now that there is no WCW or ECW.

How much longer can HHH, The Undertaker etc. go on with credibility?

The Undertaker is already looking pretty old.

And what happens if Kurt, Shawn or Benoit get retired by a reoccurance of injury?

HHH needs to drop the belt permanently, quit his quest to beat Flair`s number of championships and do what`s right for the future of the company.

After all, he is going to be running it one day, if you believe what Vince McMahon says.

[Big Troubles]

Im holding out for a HHH face turn. A Paul London push. Charlie Hass drafted to Raw. Jericho to Smackdown! along with Edge and Lita. A strong run with Batista as a tweener champion. (Goldberg, but more dimensional) Paul Heyman to return full time to book either show, or both. Shane to take over Stephanie's job. A more traditional womens division with actual wrestling.

[flappo]

you+fat sweaty men in tights=faggot heaven

[Big Troubles]

I guess you are insulting half the board now. real smart idiot. well I guess if we lived where you do, we could play "football" and drink tea and drive shiny cars we cant afford. That aboot sums it up?

go away Flaps. You are pollution in these threads.

[flappo]

nope , i dig just aboot everyone on this here board

apart from whiny ex mod faggots with no fucking money who drive bmw's and can't afford mercs

ie: YOU

hahahaha

YOU = OWNED FAGGOT

http://www.e-places.net/samples/files/flappo.gif

[Full Bug]

Originally posted by Big Troubles
Paul Heyman to return full time to book either show, or both.
Cant see it happening, him and Steph dont get along, thats a big reason why Paul isnt around anymore.....

[Mr Badguy]

Originally posted by Big Troubles
Im holding out for a HHH face turn. A Paul London push. Charlie Hass drafted to Raw. Jericho to Smackdown! along with Edge and Lita. A strong run with Batista as a tweener champion. (Goldberg, but more dimensional) Paul Heyman to return full time to book either show, or both. Shane to take over Stephanie's job. A more traditional womens division with actual wrestling.

Isn`t Heyman booking behind the scenes on Smackdown!?

I think Teddy Long is doing a great job as boss on Smackdown!, although the stories are repetative and boring.

[Big Troubles]

Thats my glimmer of hope anyways... Heyman returning. That guy knew his craft. EcW would still be the innovator in wrestling if it weren't for the money Heyman couldn't secure.

He isn't booking nothing now. Looks to be booking with Dreamer the ECW PPV in June. He's being used as a "sit at home" consultant. its bullshit.

yeah I like Long in his role too, but I also think Bischoff could step up and do a bit more of an authoritive figure head role.

[Big Troubles]

Originally posted by flappo
nope , i dig just aboot everyone on this here board

apart from whiny ex mod faggots with no fucking money who drive bmw's and can't afford mercs

ie: YOU

hahahaha

YOU = OWNED FAGGOT

http://www.e-places.net/samples/files/flappo.gif

Flappo foot, enter Flappo mouth. I dont drive a BMW idiot. I drove one in '01. Piece of shit.