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hollywood5150
08-04-2005, 12:15 AM
yeah vince and bret have been on speakin terms since 99-2000

more or less.

monkeythe
08-04-2005, 12:31 AM
Not only do I know who posts 1723, & 1724 are, I also know where you got those pictures

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/profiles/k/karachi-vice.html
http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/gallery/machoman-a.html

If Dusty gets control of the book, how long till the WWE goes out of business. WM 22 main event prediction if Dusty gets the book: DDP vs Dustin Rhodes that ends with the Dusty finish when The Shockmaster maskes his return

Mr Badguy
08-04-2005, 05:40 AM
Originally posted by monkeythe
WHat's with all the Sting hatred on the board. He was the top man in WCW for years despite some of the worst booking ever (Black Scorpion?).
Once Hogan & his cronies took over Sting was never given a fair shot at being a top guy. The best they were able to do with him was have him sit in the rafters for a year & when he finally came down he was the victim of some of the worst politics ever. I'm willing to argue that from 97 on, Sting was booked even worse than Bret.
I have never heard of a case where Sting injured an opponent or no-selled his opponents moves as some of the posters have suggested. In addition, he was able to work with wrestlers of all styles (brawlers, technicians,etc) and have great matches with them all.
I also agree that Vince would job STing out

I always thought Hogan was one of the worst for not selling.

More or less ended Vader`s career by kicking out of his Powerbomb like nothing happened.

Soul Reaper
08-04-2005, 06:43 AM
Originally posted by Sammy's Bitch
sting Vs batista would kinda suck aswell

kinda suck??!! no, it will all suck!

Dave's Bitch
08-04-2005, 09:44 AM
Originally posted by Mr Badguy
I always thought Hogan was one of the worst for not selling.

More or less ended Vader`s career by kicking out of his Powerbomb like nothing happened.

yea hogan just plain doesnt sell most of the time.i heard in one match i forget who it was against,that he kicked out when he wasnt supposed to and he was ment to be pinned.He is really unprofessional.

but if were talking about bad selling,2 words,John Cena.i think he is probably one of the worst in the wwe at selling

Big Troubles
08-04-2005, 09:50 AM
Originally posted by monkeythe
Not only do I know who posts 1723, & 1724 are, I also know where you got those pictures

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/profiles/k/karachi-vice.html
http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/gallery/machoman-a.html

If Dusty gets control of the book, how long till the WWE goes out of business. WM 22 main event prediction if Dusty gets the book: DDP vs Dustin Rhodes that ends with the Dusty finish when The Shockmaster maskes his return

you know who I am? Not possible. I dont know who I am. :D and no, I dont go to obsessedwithwrestling.com, I got those pics from a google search, that included a homepage for stampede wrestling.


I would not want Dusty to get the book, but I would like to see a booking or writing team that consists of young and older talent. Dusty fits the mold as well as Bret for older writing talent.

Big Troubles
08-04-2005, 09:52 AM
Originally posted by Mr Badguy
I always thought Hogan was one of the worst for not selling.

More or less ended Vader`s career by kicking out of his Powerbomb like nothing happened.

Yeah I think from there Vader went to WWE in 95, signed a 4 year deal worth $600,ooo the first 2 years and $400,ooo the last 2. Then he went to Japan and has made multi millions as an International star. I do believe his career was just fine. ;)

Big Troubles
08-04-2005, 09:56 AM
Oh and Monkeythe http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://slam.canoe.ca/WrestlingImagesS/singh_makhan3.jpg&imgrefurl=http://slam.canoe.ca/SlamWrestlingBios/shaw_mike.html&h=400&w=322&sz=23&tbnid=WvRv6eH-NWQJ:&tbnh=120&tbnw=96&hl=en&start=1&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dkarachi%2Bvice%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den %26lr%3D%26rls%3DDVXA,DVXA:2005-22,DVXA:en


:D

Dave's Bitch
08-04-2005, 10:01 AM
Hey you know Brock Lesnar is comming back,do think he should go to smackdown,i think he should go to smackdown because they need him,and Raw has all the big names on it like Triple H,Angle,Kane,Cena.but smackdowns list of names consists of The Undertaker,Batista and umm thats it

Big Troubles
08-04-2005, 10:06 AM
yeah I figure Smackdown as well, the only trouble is who else on Smackdown will he have good matches with? Batista. Benoit. Eddie? That's it really. Id like to see the WWE use lesnar on both shows. Impliment a storyline where he signs a contract, with sports agent Paul Heyman, to wrestle for either brand. That way he can be the first ever free agent signed to one company. Sorta like how they started Scott Steiner out. Place him on whatever brand he fits in for a few months. Then toggle him accordingly.

then again, that might be too much work for 10 year old writers they have. :rolleyes:

Big Troubles
08-04-2005, 10:07 AM
No matter what WWE posts on www.wwe.com Brock has signed his deal.

Big Troubles
08-04-2005, 10:08 AM
what do you think of the tag team division? lol


quick who are the WWE and world tag team champs?

(Jeopardy music kicks in....) :D

Big Troubles
08-04-2005, 10:09 AM
hard to believe Animal and Heidenrich and Rosey/Hurricane are the TOP fucking tag teams for the biggest wrestling empire in the world eh? That is exactly what's wrong with the writing in WWE land.

rustoffa
08-04-2005, 09:13 PM
[i]Originally posted by Big Troubles
No matter what WWE posts on www.wwe.com Brock has signed his deal.

Halleyfuckinglooya!

Let's all hope for "final solution" type landings on the top-rope aggrobatics!
:mad:

rustoffa
08-04-2005, 09:21 PM
Originally posted by Big Troubles
hard to believe Animal and Heidenrich and Rosey/Hurricane are the TOP fucking tag teams for the biggest wrestling empire in the world eh? That is exactly what's wrong with the writing in WWE land.

No shit, tag team booking is apparently low on the "to do right" list.

Hello?

There's TWO characters per character. TWICE the collusion-based dynamics dipshits. Bring back the Dudleys and give Bubba the fucking mic.

monkeythe
08-04-2005, 10:16 PM
This Eddie/Ray thing gets worse every week.

Dave's Bitch
08-04-2005, 11:08 PM
Originally posted by monkeythe
This Eddie/Ray thing gets worse every week.

Eddie is going to go for custady of Rey's or should i say his son this week

Mr Badguy
08-05-2005, 05:50 AM
Originally posted by Big Troubles
Yeah I think from there Vader went to WWE in 95, signed a 4 year deal worth $600,ooo the first 2 years and $400,ooo the last 2. Then he went to Japan and has made multi millions as an International star. I do believe his career was just fine. ;)

Yeah, but he was never the monster heel he was before.

He was meant to be the master of the powerbomb, but Hogan made Vader and everybody who ever sold his powerbomb look like an idiot.

And for what?

To make himself look unbeatable.

Big Troubles
08-05-2005, 09:16 AM
Originally posted by Mr Badguy
Yeah, but he was never the monster heel he was before.

He was meant to be the master of the powerbomb, but Hogan made Vader and everybody who ever sold his powerbomb look like an idiot.

And for what?

To make himself look unbeatable.

that's true. I do recall the first encounter. It was after Hogan beat Flair I think, Vader came into Hogan's dressing room and challenged him to a match. Vader lost his edge from that moment on. At one time Vader was a scary dude.

Dave's Bitch
08-05-2005, 10:55 AM
hogan has headlined 9 wrestlemainia's hasnt he?

and in one of them he wasnt in the main event

zeronumber
08-05-2005, 11:09 AM
Was I the only one that was pissed off at the whole hogan/hbk skit?
Not so much that I'm a Hogan fan, but Hbk talking about somebody who's nothing unless somebody lays down; Extreme Egos; And jerking around fans...sort of like the pot calling the kettle black.

Let's face it, many times when Hbk was suppose to job belts, he faked injuries, because he refused to look like a lesser man in front of his "fans", as well as threatend to walk out of the company, every time he didn't get his way?

And seriously, the WWE needs some fresh blood. The average age for a wwe superstar, is what, 35? Hogan is in his mid 50's, and hbk is 40... Animal is in his mid 40's, rick flair is 56, undertaker is nearly 50, Booker, Eddie, Triple H, Val Venis, Regal, Kain, Hardcore holley, and many others, are starting to get close to retirement ages.

There is only a handfull of superstars that are actually in their 20's, hell, who's going to carry the company to the future?

Full Bug
08-05-2005, 11:15 AM
The future is in good hands, Steph and HHH will be running things, no need to worry....Right?

zeronumber
08-05-2005, 11:23 AM
Originally posted by Full Bug
The future is in good hands, Steph and HHH will be running things, no need to worry....Right?

Yeah, I'm sure Trip's will win the belt 7 more times, and beat out the Nature boys legacy of being a man who got jobbed more heavyweight titles, than anybody in history.

Dave's Bitch
08-05-2005, 11:26 AM
Originally posted by zeronumber


There is only a handfull of superstars that are actually in their 20's, hell, who's going to carry the company to the future?


thats because all the wrestlers in there 20's SUCK.they are all sloppy amatures

Dave's Bitch
08-05-2005, 12:54 PM
Zero you dont like JBL do you?

Vinnie Velvet
08-05-2005, 01:23 PM
Originally posted by Sammy's Bitch
hogan has headlined 9 wrestlemainia's hasnt he?

and in one of them he wasnt in the main event

Wrestlemania 8, 1992 -- Hogan wrestled Psycho Sid.

The main event was Savage vs Flair, I believe.

Dave's Bitch
08-05-2005, 01:27 PM
Originally posted by Vinnie Velvet
Wrestlemania 8, 1992 -- Hogan wrestled Psycho Sid.

The main event was Savage vs Flair, I believe.

what about the one where the main event was Bret Hart Vs Yokozuna.Bret drops the belt to yokozuna in the main event,but then suddenly hogan has a title match outa the blue and wins the belt

that was mania rite?

Full Bug
08-05-2005, 02:57 PM
Who ever thought this photo would ever happen after Montreal and Owen?

Soul Reaper
08-05-2005, 03:11 PM
post 1778 = :eek:

Soul Reaper
08-05-2005, 03:12 PM
zeronumber, i don't like your no talent avatar.

Dave's Bitch
08-05-2005, 03:21 PM
Originally posted by Soul Reaper
zeronumber, i don't like your no talent avatar.

LOL me either

Soul Reaper
08-05-2005, 03:26 PM
i'm glad you agree

Mr Badguy
08-05-2005, 08:06 PM
Originally posted by Full Bug
Who ever thought this photo would ever happen after Montreal and Owen?

Business is business.

As Ted DiBiase used to say "Everybody`s got a price...".

Bret knows that McMahon holds his wrestling "legacy".

Matt White
08-05-2005, 08:51 PM
They've (WWE) been wanting to do something with the HitMan for ages.....
It's impossible to ignore that large a piece of their history.

He carried that company thru some lean years.

bueno bob
08-05-2005, 09:04 PM
I'm kinda surprised...I never thought Bret would ever be in the same room with Vince again, well, not without ACTUALLY beating Vince into a fucking pulp, anyway...

Strange days...

rustoffa
08-06-2005, 12:53 AM
Originally posted by Full Bug
The future is in good hands, Steph and HHH will be running things, no need to worry....Right?

I'm hoping to worry. Let 'em run it into the fucking ground.

The Pro Wrestling deal needs to hibernate for awhile.

Arguably, like seven or eight years.

monkeythe
08-06-2005, 08:55 PM
Originally posted by Sammy's Bitch
hogan has headlined 9 wrestlemainia's hasnt he?

and in one of them he wasnt in the main event

Depends on what you mean by main event.
He definately main evented WM's 1,2,3,5,6&7. The rest are questionable.
WM 4 was the tournament where it was known going in he'd fight Andre in round 2
WM 8 was actually a double main event with the Hogan match ending the show.
WM 9 he was scheduled for a tag match which took place in the middle of the show. However, he was in the final match when he beat Yoko in an unannounced match
WM 18 & 19 he wasn't in the final match but his matches were the featured artwork for the promotional posters & DVD covers

Big Troubles
08-06-2005, 08:55 PM
UFC is looking more and more appealing. I'll always be a wrestling fan, but lately everything is just shit. Too much "ga ga" and not enough actual wrestling.

monkeythe
08-06-2005, 11:25 PM
U haven't bothered with UFC since they changed the rules. I loved the original UFC's when there were different fighting styles going against one another and the only rules were no biting or eye gouges. Once they went to round systems and weight classes it sucks. I still don't understand the need for weight classes when the first few tournaments were won by the smallest guy (Royce Gracie) in the tournament.

Big Troubles
08-07-2005, 01:25 PM
Originally posted by monkeythe
U haven't bothered with UFC since they changed the rules. I loved the original UFC's when there were different fighting styles going against one another and the only rules were no biting or eye gouges. Once they went to round systems and weight classes it sucks. I still don't understand the need for weight classes when the first few tournaments were won by the smallest guy (Royce Gracie) in the tournament.

I enjoyed the show last night and totally mark out for the lightweights. Vince should be paying attention to how simple marketing and basic fights are promoted. No silly "Im your father" storylines. Nobody "screws a corpse" nor have they lowered themselves to playing off of the terrorist attacks. People don't like to be insulted AND spend $40 a month in the process. It's time for a def. change in philosophy.
First things first. replace Steph with Heyman, and have him book the shows. He seems to be the only one that understands how to properly book a match, a finish and play off of what ppl WANT to see. Everything "big" that happened in wrestling, happened in ECW first. Check history. First abortion angle. First lesbian kiss. First company to break kayfabe. WWE cant seem to decide if they are cutting edge/real life, or cartoon characters like Eugene and Viscera.

Vinnie Velvet
08-08-2005, 03:57 PM
Originally posted by Full Bug
Who ever thought this photo would ever happen after Montreal and Owen?

Holy fucking shit!

I read the news about Bret being at WWE headquaters and everything, including the new Bret Hart profile page on wwe.com, but just seeing a picture with him and Vince shaking hands is just...shocking.

Yeah, who would've thought after all these years.

My dream would be to have Bret make a run-in during the tale end of the HBK-Hogan match.

How awesome would that be!!

After Micheals sets up Hogan for Sweet Chin Music, Bret comes out of knowhere and interferes as he levels HBK out with a chair and puts him in the sharpshooter!!
Bret, escorted by police and referees, leaves a crippled Micheals in the ring who then receives the leg drop from Hogan and loses the match!!

I can dream, can't I?



:D

Vinnie Velvet
08-08-2005, 04:08 PM
Originally posted by Sammy's Bitch
what about the one where the main event was Bret Hart Vs Yokozuna.Bret drops the belt to yokozuna in the main event,but then suddenly hogan has a title match outa the blue and wins the belt

that was mania rite?

Oh yeah.

So, count 1992 and even 1993 where Hogan wasn't 'technically' in the main event.

The finish between Hogan and Yokozuna was planned by Vince all along.

Bret didn't want the finish to be this way, but Vince got his way. He wanted Hogan to main event again, be the champion again, since he didn't think Hart being the champion would produce a huge buyrate and put people in the seats.

Apparently, Hogan was beat up and injured and tired due to the years of travelling and main eventing. Hence, his so-called 're-birth' or 5th championship reign didn't last long.

Hogan didn't automatically turn to WCW. After his loss to Yokozuna at King of the Ring in June 1993, he just left wrestling period.

It was only in 1994 when he was filming his TV series "Thunder In Paradise', WCW was having a show nearby the studio lot and Hogan decided to pay a visit and talk to some of the wrestlers.

And then he came back in the summer of '94, eventually winning the WCW title at Bash at the Beach from Flair.

Dave's Bitch
08-08-2005, 05:05 PM
lol remember hulk hogans rockin wrestling

Dave's Bitch
08-08-2005, 05:11 PM
i think hogan had only one clean loss in the wwe in his heyday.against the ultiamate warrior at wrestlemania

is that rite?

Big Troubles
08-08-2005, 05:20 PM
Originally posted by Sammy's Bitch
i think hogan had only one clean loss in the wwe in his heyday.against the ultiamate warrior at wrestlemania

is that rite?

no. he lost clean to the Rock.

Big Troubles
08-08-2005, 05:20 PM
oh, "heyday". nevermind. you might be right...

Dave's Bitch
08-08-2005, 11:16 PM
Shawn kicked ass on raw,hogan sucked as usual.i said to my friend this morning that i bet tonight on raw,hogan will have a question for HBK,What 'cha gonna do?.and sure enough he did.

Raw sucked this week

Big Troubles
08-08-2005, 11:38 PM
that was the ONLY worthwhile segment. Hogan/Michaels showdown. And as usual Shawn was dead on. ;) Im still putting Shawn over Hogan cleanly at SS. ( or maybe a SCSA interference)

every other match on Raw blew snot chunks. Yay Eugene. Yay bad Matt Hardy acting. Yay a blck dry humping freak wrestling a poor Buff Bagwell imitation. Fucking yay........

Vinnie Velvet
08-09-2005, 10:54 AM
HBK was great yesterday.

Hogan was OK.

I'm a Shawn fan from way back and I think he desperately needs to beef up his physique.

Shawn was never a huge guy, but he certainly had a great physique that didn't make him look skinny.

But now, its laughable when he gets into the ring against some wrestlers like Triple H and Kurt Angle.

Compare pictures of Shawn from his last match in 1998(WM14) to now when he came back, some skinny guy has replaced the REAL HBK!

Is Shawn purposely keeping his muscle build down so that his back doesn't give out or has he decided not to work out anymore??

Ralph Grossman
08-09-2005, 02:43 PM
Originally posted by Vinnie Velvet
HBK was great yesterday.

Hogan was OK.

I'm a Shawn fan from way back and I think he desperately needs to beef up his physique.

Shawn was never a huge guy, but he certainly had a great physique that didn't make him look skinny.

But now, its laughable when he gets into the ring against some wrestlers like Triple H and Kurt Angle.

Compare pictures of Shawn from his last match in 1998(WM14) to now when he came back, some skinny guy has replaced the REAL HBK!

Is Shawn purposely keeping his muscle build down so that his back doesn't give out or has he decided not to work out anymore??

I think Shawn Michaels recaptured that something that was lacking since his return. Upon his return, I did notice Shawn having a slight build. But last night, in his exchange with Hogan. Shawn looked toned up and had more musculature than he has had since his comeback.

To be honest with you. I was a huge HBK mark since his days with the Midnight Rockers. His latest comeback really got me to root agaonst him, as I thought he was another living on past glory. His match at WM with Angle plus the new ring attire, started a turning of the tide. Last night on RAW, that was the HBK I thought we'd never get to see again.

bueno bob
08-09-2005, 04:52 PM
Originally posted by Big Troubles
no. he lost clean to the Rock.

Well, in Hogan's "Heyday" (which I'd say 88-92) in the then WWF, there was only one clean loss, and that was to the Warrior - I wouldn't call his return from WCW thereafter anything close to being "heyday" era, personally, but...

Didn't he job out to Brock Lesner later on after the Rock match, anyway? I thought so...

I miss Disco Inferno :(

Bill Lumbergh
08-09-2005, 05:32 PM
I miss IRS!

VonHalen
08-09-2005, 06:11 PM
IRS, wasnt that mike rotunda- what ever happened to him

Dave's Bitch
08-09-2005, 06:48 PM
Originally posted by bueno bob


Didn't he job out to Brock Lesner later on after the Rock match, anyway? I thought so...



the only reason hogan agreed to that is because for his return,he was going to have a match with lesnar and beat him for the title.

that woulda been cool :rolleyes:

superdave
08-09-2005, 06:53 PM
Originally posted by bueno bob
I miss Disco Inferno :(

I think AIDS claimed him....

Dave's Bitch
08-09-2005, 06:55 PM
is disco inferno dead????

Big Troubles
08-09-2005, 07:26 PM
Not a big TNA fan? LOL

Big Troubles
08-09-2005, 07:27 PM
Originally posted by bueno bob
Well, in Hogan's "Heyday" (which I'd say 88-92) in the then WWF, there was only one clean loss, and that was to the Warrior - I wouldn't call his return from WCW thereafter anything close to being "heyday" era, personally, but...

Didn't he job out to Brock Lesner later on after the Rock match, anyway? I thought so...

I miss Disco Inferno :(

yeah I missed the "heyday" part of the question. ;) I miss the duck he had even more.

Dave's Bitch
08-09-2005, 07:30 PM
Originally posted by Big Troubles
Not a big TNA fan? LOL

nope. TNA is kinda shitty i think.Total Non Action Wrestling

Big Troubles
08-09-2005, 07:36 PM
i agree. they have some good young workers and some time soon(Oct I believe) when TNA gets Spike TV, the younger cruisers will get some tv time. That being said, THAT reason alone is the only good thing going for it. :D The WWE needs competition and I think it will come from RoH before it comes from NWA.

VonHalen
08-09-2005, 08:00 PM
i think they signed with spike tv with wwe leaving and all that

Big Troubles
08-09-2005, 10:23 PM
yeah, I also think they signed a very shitty late night saturday night slot. demographic: Middle aged men that cant sleep/Night Owls-Late shift workers and drunks that come in from the bar all blasted and not likely to remember what tv show they were watching the night before. ;)

BUT, Really what other option was there? WGN? a half hour sat afternoon show. That demographic is tweeners and below. Maybe housewives? shit, Id snag the Spike deal, and once Im in the door, Id put out the best possible show, within promotion budgets, and hope to move the show leading into UFC, instead of relying on who sticks around to watch what's on AFTER UFC.

Big Troubles
08-09-2005, 10:24 PM
or maybe I just over analyze everything. :) yeah that's it.

rustoffa
08-09-2005, 10:43 PM
The Hogan/HBK thing will be watchable if, and only IF, they make it a ladder/elevator match.

Escape door on the elevator...power outages, etc.

Then the hook and LADDER truck comes in securing HBK the "W".

Hopefully, a "nobody-home" leg-drop from the elevator?

Big Troubles
08-10-2005, 11:13 AM
Originally posted by rustoffa
The Hogan/HBK thing will be watchable if, and only IF, they make it a ladder/elevator match.

Escape door on the elevator...power outages, etc.

Then the hook and LADDER truck comes in securing HBK the "W".

Hopefully, a "nobody-home" leg-drop from the elevator?

Im thinking "Rogaine on a Pole" match. :D That is of course both wrestlers are able to climb a pole. Im looking forward to this match only to see Hogan lose cleanly. (fingers crossed)

rustoffa
08-10-2005, 08:27 PM
I thought a friend and I had the best sign/signs at one of the Georgia Dome Nitros. Mine said "HOGANS WIFE DEMANDS VIAGRA", coupled with my buddy's sign that said "BUT I DIDN'T NEED IT!!!".

It was the shit for about thirty minutes 'til they cuntfiscated 'em. Not long after that, this dude busted out the hit of the party....trust me, it WASN'T.

Two rows behind us...I wondered what all the ruckus was, and then I saw it.

"GOLDBERG FEARS HITLER"

Talk about spitting beer all over the place....that fucking thing lasted about 2 or 3 minutes.

Big Troubles
08-10-2005, 09:10 PM
Originally posted by rustoffa

"GOLDBERG FEARS HITLER"

Talk about spitting beer all over the place....that fucking thing lasted about 2 or 3 minutes.

I think that would have been the best sign Ive ever seen at a wrestling show!!!

I remember when Scott Hall grabbed a sign in London that read "Scott Hall needs detox". :D He tossed it... The guy holding the sign was laughing his ass off in his face though. Very cool.

what was the main event at Nitro that night. You remember? It wasn't Hak vs Bam Bam was it? :p

Big Troubles
08-10-2005, 09:12 PM
Low blow... I know. Big Sandman fan. I liked his entrance but after that I really didn't care for him. I liked Credible and Storm though. I liked Candido and Taz. I also remember liking Robbie V and Terra Rizing though too. Hmmm...

rustoffa
08-10-2005, 09:43 PM
Originally posted by Big Troubles
what was the main event at Nitro that night. You remember? It wasn't Hak vs Bam Bam was it? :p


It was the big one....the beginning of the end. Hogan dropped the belt to Goldturd IN THE MIDDLE OF THE RING. A fucking DEVASTATING SPEAR/SLACKHAMMER. Hall showed up earlier in the show as the big mystery guest...Goldturd had to wrestle him to get to Hogan. The Hall/Goldturd match saw much more action. You know, Goldturd holding his head for a second as "selling."

The main event was what you'd expect from two legendary mat technicians.

There was a sea of beady-eyed faces celebrating Goldturd's "W" afterwards while I held up a "Brainwash Victim" sign with an arrow pointing @ my noggin.

Big Troubles
08-10-2005, 09:50 PM
Originally posted by rustoffa

There was a sea of beady-eyed faces celebrating Goldturd's "W" afterwards while I held up a "Brainwash Victim" sign with an arrow pointing @ my noggin.

that sounds like a lot of Nitros at the time. :D

check this out. Y2J has a few words about VH.

http://www.pwinsider.com/ViewArticle.asp?id=12276&p=1 (scroll down to #11. Not alot of talk, but some)

VonHalen
08-11-2005, 04:47 PM
im looking for brett to get involved with the Hbk/hogan match. Would be cool to see the old Nwo- hollywood hogan though

Full Bug
08-11-2005, 08:04 PM
Originally posted by VonHalen
im looking for brett to get involved with the Hbk/hogan match.
Dont get your hopes up for that one, if Bret ever gets involved it would be way down the road, he has already said last week he has no interest in anything like that right now....

rustoffa
08-11-2005, 08:18 PM
Originally posted by Big Troubles
Low blow... I know. Big Sandman fan. I liked his entrance but after that I really didn't care for him.

Yeah, fuck that milked out entrance. The old feuds with Cactus, Raven, Sabu....just vintage ECW.

Haha, there was one spot where he threw Cactus out of the ring, got a running start, jumped over the ropes and caned Foley right on the noggin before his feet hit the ground.

LMFAO....he had this "look what I did!" look on his face and got a standing O. You could actually see Foley smiling a bit.
:D

Big Troubles
08-11-2005, 09:32 PM
Originally posted by rustoffa
Yeah, fuck that milked out entrance. The old feuds with Cactus, Raven, Sabu....just vintage ECW.

Haha, there was one spot where he threw Cactus out of the ring, got a running start, jumped over the ropes and caned Foley right on the noggin before his feet hit the ground.

LMFAO....he had this "look what I did!" look on his face and got a standing O. You could actually see Foley smiling a bit.
:D

Im gonna try and download that match. Sounds like I missed some good ecw action.

rustoffa
08-11-2005, 09:46 PM
Originally posted by Big Troubles
Im gonna try and download that match. Sounds like I missed some good ecw action.

:D

Vinnie Velvet
08-12-2005, 09:16 AM
Anyone catch the Summerslam Press Conference?

It was pretty good.

HBK's promo was great -- he played the 'heel' HBK really good.

You can still watch the Press Conference on www.wwe.com

Dave's Bitch
08-12-2005, 09:45 AM
LOL the fans at that press conference are so stupid.that one guy who says to hogan "you are my child hood hero man,when i looked at you,i cried" shut the hell up lol.and how many people asked for hogans autograph?.Hogan gave the exact speech i thought he would about how great him and the hulkamaniacs are,and note the little Bret Hart reference in an attempt to get a cheap pop.HBK kick ass there as usual

Full Bug
08-14-2005, 01:07 PM
Here's a quick trivia question....
After Warrior beat Hogan for the WWF title at Wrestlemania 5 he had to drop the IC belt, so I tourney was held for the strap....
Who won the IC belt, and who did he beat in the final match to do it?
Pretty easy one really....

Mr Badguy
08-14-2005, 05:19 PM
Originally posted by Full Bug
Here's a quick trivia question....
After Warrior beat Hogan for the WWF title at Wrestlemania 5 he had to drop the IC belt, so I tourney was held for the strap....
Who won the IC belt, and who did he beat in the final match to do it?
Pretty easy one really....

Mr Perfect against Tito Santana.

I think.

Full Bug
08-14-2005, 05:49 PM
Originally posted by Mr Badguy
Mr Perfect against Tito Santana.

I think.
Yep....
I would love to see a Curt Henning DVD, cant see that happening though....

Anonymous
08-14-2005, 10:04 PM
Anybody knows what happened to Mohammed Hassan? I haven't watched the fookin' American Bash yet... Downloading. Have no way of knowing if it was serious or just a way to get him out of wrestling.

If it was serious, sounds like it was an 'accident'. There's almost no trace of the man left on WWE.com

Cheers! :bottle:

redblkwht
08-15-2005, 05:32 AM
Whens the PPV folks next week?

Dave's Bitch
08-15-2005, 12:16 PM
Originally posted by redblkwht
Whens the PPV folks next week?

sunday

Vinnie Velvet
08-15-2005, 03:22 PM
Hogan vs Angle TONIGHT on RAW!!

Expect HBK to make a big interference in this match.

VonHalen
08-15-2005, 04:31 PM
and brett to get involved in the hogan/hbk match

Vinnie Velvet
08-15-2005, 04:35 PM
Originally posted by VonHalen
and brett to get involved in the hogan/hbk match

Kinda unlikely, Von.

Bret is in no condition to come into a match a be even somewhat physical.

However, it would indeed be a shock to the wrestling world.

Maybe that's what the WWE needs.

But my bets on are pretty solidified on NO Bret for Summerslam.

Seems like it could be a straight-down the line match between Hogan and HBK.

Big Troubles
08-15-2005, 07:53 PM
I can picture Stone Cold coming out to interfere in the match between HBK and Hogan. All this Icon vs Legend build up, may intice an Austin vs Hogan set up for Wrestlemania. ;)

Big Troubles
08-15-2005, 07:55 PM
I just read that Frankie Kazarian left WWE. The best part? On his webiste Frankie writes "I wish the WWE all the best in their future endevours" LOL Its an obvious stab at WWE corp.

http://frankiekazarian.temp.powweb.com/index2.shtml

Full Bug
08-15-2005, 10:42 PM
Another great Promo by HBK tonite, that Montreal crowd went wild when they teased Bret was there, I knew he wasnt though, could see that tease a mile away.....

Big Troubles
08-15-2005, 11:01 PM
yeah I was stoked for a Bret Hart cameo at that moment. Unfortunatley, HBK's promo was the only thing worthwhile tonight. Maybe HBK can start writing Raw, or at least contribute to the stories. Then Raw will be fun to watch and not overly insulting to anyone over 3 years old.

Full Bug
08-16-2005, 10:56 AM
Anyone wonder how Bobby Heenan is doing these days?

BOBBY HEENAN: "I'm recovered from cancer. It'll be four years this March. I just had a full knee replacement. Other than that, they gave me an hour-and-a-half to live! ... I asked the doctor, 'How am I doing?' He said, 'Can you pay me in cash?'

Bobby is the best, I miss his sense of humour in wrestling.....

Vinnie Velvet
08-16-2005, 03:15 PM
Originally posted by Full Bug
Another great Promo by HBK tonite, that Montreal crowd went wild when they teased Bret was there, I knew he wasnt though, could see that tease a mile away.....

HBK comes through once again with a kick ass promo.

He's so much better as a heel and it suits him perfectly.

Much better than the "can't hunt what you can't kill" BS when he first came back in '02 or his born again christian thing (but he still does that stupid hands up in the air thing!)

The sharpshooter on Hogan was great!

Big Troubles
08-16-2005, 09:26 PM
something tells me Bret Hart regrets shaking hands with Vince. Having to go through with this whole Montreal thing AGAIN, must be embarassing for him.

Full Bug
08-16-2005, 11:03 PM
Originally posted by Big Troubles
something tells me Bret Hart regrets shaking hands with Vince. Having to go through with this whole Montreal thing AGAIN, must be embarassing for him.
I agree, the dude who writes the Raw report wrote this for the Observer site, and I tend to agree with him....

Final Thoughts:

The opening segment this week was the most fun I’ve had watching wrestling
in a while. The ending was so sad. I supported Bret Hart’s decision to make
amends with Vince McMahon and participate in the making of a DVD. I thought
it was good for Bret. But what Bret didn’t want out of the situation was to
help make WWE money off of Montreal. It would cheapen everything WWE put
Bret and his family through. And yet that’s exactly what WWE did this week.
They screwed Bret again. He thought he was coming in to put together a DVD
he could be proud of. Instead, the promotion used that opportunity to all
but false advertise him to sell SummerSlam buy rates, with an angle playing
off the Montreal finish. Bret never should have trusted them.

Soul Reaper
08-17-2005, 07:13 AM
from OWW

WRESTLING COLUMNS
Hassan Killed Off: Unjustified
August 15, 2005 by Jim Wilson

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I find it imprudent that WWE can not only kill off a very entertaining character, and possibly one of the best heels to grace WWE's television shows in many a year, but also take away Mark Copani's WWE career before it even really began, and why? Because UPN told them to. --- If Vince truly desired, he could buy UPN.

Rewind to Hassan’s debut. Back then he wasn't as much of a heel, but would still constantly get booed, and why I ask you? Because of his Arab-descent. Because this man was the man the media, and the President, tell you to fear.





Why is it that wrestlers not from America tend to be heels? We've had Hassan, the Un-Americans, Nikolai Volkoff and Iron Shiek to mention but a few.

I am not anti-American in anyway, but WWE is not just viewed in the United States of American, it is viewed all across the globe, yet WWE's patriotism goes through the roof. One prime example of this would be a PPV titled, "The Great American Bash", with "old-glory" draped everywhere you can see.

I mean, they even get Lilian Garcia to sing the national anthem at PPV's, despite the PPV's being broadcast all across the globe, so why must we sit through self-indulgent bulls*it like that?

Sorry for straying off there, but this brings me round to my next point, with the debate with JR and King, and Hassan and Daivari. That segment was for one country and one country only, America. When JR and King started spewing their patriotic retorts to Hassan and Daivari, the crowd cheered, and the pop was huge; however, WWE is not just broadcast in America.

The thing I always love about these "anti-American" characters, is that, they always bring up valid and somewhat very true points about Americas ideologies and fundamentals, yet how do the WWE fans respond to this? By chanting, "USA, USA, USA." During almost every promo that Hassan did, the crowd chanted "USA, USA, USA", now I had to laugh every time I heard this chant, because essentially they are chanting for Hassan himself, being that he is America-born, and has lived there all his life.

Mark Copani portrayed a character, who complained that after 9/11 he had been treated unfairly because of his Arab-descent. I think this is very true, Arab-Americans have been treated un-fairly since 9/11, with Arabs being pointed at as the enemy. Their faces splashed across papers and on television as being the people to fear, they are the enemy, and this is unjustified. And I think that's what a lot of the problem is, Americans tend to have a problem trying to decipher what is reality and what is fiction. Hassan wasn't a real character, he was a character portrayed by a real man. Just like actors, but no-one complains when actors play sex-crazed maniacal paedophiles in movies no, but when someone speaks out about America, and is of Arab descent they must be a terrorist and must be off television.

This is getting longer each time I type, so I'll try and not type for much longer.

I shall move on to the SmackDown! incident with Hassan and The Undertaker. I haven't seen SmackDown! yet, however I had heard reports from the Tuesday taping (the London bombings happened after this taping), and I thought nothing of it, I did not link this with the London bombings at all.

The media coverage on this incident in America was phenomenal, and one article was published claiming that Hassan and five "Arabs" in ski-masks attacked The Undertaker. Now as has been pointed out, how in the hell could anyone tell if they were Arabs if they wearing ski-masks? If you have watched this incident from SmackDown! and seen any of the close-ups of these apparent Arabs, you'll see that where the mouth and eye-pieces were, they were Caucasians. Probably wrestlers from the backstage area dressed up. However, the media coverage in London of Hassan? You know London, the place where the actual bombing took place? None. You know why? Nobody cared. A bombing had just took place, and people had been killed, I'm sure they couldn't care less about some wrestling event, which had nothing at all to do with the bombings. So why did America, (where the bomb didn't take place), cover this all over the place?

When Hassan came out to retort to this article, he again made some valid points, and again let everyone know that he was from America, but what did the crowd do? Embarrassed themselves in-front of the entire world, and booed Hassan, then went onto chant "USA. USA. USA". Did they even listen to what Hassan had to say at all?

Moving onto the "Great" American Bash, and the killing off of the Hassan character. I was so happy to see Hassan’s entrance when he came out, his entrance was one last "F*ck You" to UPN and the people who complained. When 'Taker started pulling apart the stage, I knew this had to be the end of Hassan, and of course because 'Taker was killing off an anti-American character, he had to resort to the "Dead Man" character, the all-American bike-riding Undertaker, just to please the American people.

America embarrassed themselves with this. The destroyed a perfectly good character, and killed him off, and why? Because of his Arab-descent. WWE, Hassan, the writers, none of them were at fault here, who was? America, and the American people.

Soul Reaper
08-17-2005, 07:14 AM
Jim Cornette on Monday Night Mayhem Radio

http://www.mondaynightmayhemarchives.com/August2005/08-11-05.mp3

monkeythe
08-19-2005, 12:53 AM
Was that Hassan column written by Eugene?

Paragraph 1: While Vince McMahon is a very rich man he could not purchase the UPN network or even afford to piss off Viacom since all his TV programming is on their networks.

Paragraph 2: He wasn't booed because of his Arab heritage. He was booed because he was calling everyone a racist.

Paragraph 3: All the examples of non-American wrestlers have been of those that either tried to burn the American flag or said in their ring intros USA pfft, phooey. How should the American fans react to this. There have been many examples of foreign born wrestlers that were faces at one time or another including: Bret Hart, The British Bulldog and even Nikolai Koloff

Par 4: What is the United States of American? Secondly, while they do business internationally, they are an American based company and are selling American culture to the international audiences.

Par 5: It is customary that at the home of a sporting event, that nation's anthem is sung. At WM6, Rene Goulet sang O Canada because the event was in Canada. The Super Bowl is broadcast internationally and the Star Spangled Banner is sung at the Super Bowl.

Par 6: Go back to paragraph 4. Your argument is the same as saying that since the BBC is broadcast internationally why do they feature things only the British care about

Par 7: In the Hassan case I agree with you but how many times have real issues been involved like in this instance.

Par 8: ????? The people weren't booing Mark, they were booing the character he was portraying. I can't understad the point being made here.

Par 9: Of course the longer you type the longer it gets. The first really valid point made so far.

Par 10: Why haven't you seen it yet? This point will be important later on.

Par 11: It wasn't all over the place and actually took several days for the story to really gain steam. The British press did the right thing in reporting on the real terrorist attacks instead of a program on American TV. What's the point you're trying to make? The only links to the London bombings the American press made were to the date of broadcast. Additionally, how do you know how the incident was portrayed on TV if you haven't seen it yet? Were the associates really Muslims. No and they don't have to be to portray Muslims on TV. However, their acting convinced most normal people that they were fellow Muslims and were supporting Hassan and the actions they were portraying were the same that are used by Muslim Terrorists in their terror videos.

Par 12: I can't comment on this becuase it did not air in America.

Par 13: ???? First you complain that he was the dead man character so he could kill Hassan. Then you complain he was the All-American biker character. I don't seem to remember UT being 2 different characters that night.

Par 14: How did Americans embarass themselves by this? The blame for killing off the character belong to Viacom. I don't know how you can blame a whole country for the actions of a company that killed off a fictional character. That would be the equivalent of me saying that England should be embarassed that a (non-spoiler alert) character in the new Harry Potter book was killed off.

Anonymous
08-19-2005, 01:06 AM
Originally posted by Soul Reaper
from OWW

WRESTLING COLUMNS
Hassan Killed Off: Unjustified
August 15, 2005 by Jim Wilson

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America embarrassed themselves with this. The destroyed a perfectly good character, and killed him off, and why? Because of his Arab-descent. WWE, Hassan, the writers, none of them were at fault here, who was? America, and the American people.

You know, that is exactly how I feel... Hassan was a damn GRATE charcater, and a pretty good wrestler. What happened was nothing short of embarrassing (as is stated throughout the article).

And yet they keep Hulk Hogan... :rolleyes: he can't even JUMP anymore. Putting him up against Shawn Michaels as they are is VERY insulting to Shawn. He'll have to slow down his pace to keep up with that old mummy... and after the shows Michaels offered us with Kurt Angle and Shelton Benjamin how the hell is he gonna stand still and wait for Hogan to mosey on down to his corner of the ring and beat 'em up?

Take a fat paperback to read while you're wrestling with Hogan, Shawn... friend's advice. It'll keep you from getting bored.

Cheers! :bottle:

Big Troubles
08-19-2005, 07:32 PM
Originally posted by Imapus Sylicker

And yet they keep Hulk Hogan... :rolleyes: he can't even JUMP anymore.

why does Hulk have to Jump in order to be a good wrestler? ;) I bet I can name 6 that have not made "jumping" a part of their routine. :D

Big Troubles
08-19-2005, 07:33 PM
Brother....

monkeythe
08-20-2005, 04:28 AM
OK, who wants to make some predicitions for Sunday? The matches are as follows:
1 - Hulk Hogan vs Shawn Michaels
2 - WWE Title: John Cena vs Chris Jericho
3 - World Heavyweight Championship: Batista vs JBL in a no holds barred match
4 - US Title: Orlando Jordan vs Chris Benoit
5 - Ladder Match for Custody of Dominick: Eddie Guerrero vs Rey Mysterio
6 - Matt Jardy vs Edge
7 - Kurt Angle vs Eugene
8 - Undertaker vs Randy Orton

My predicitions are as follows:
1 - HBK wins because a bad guy has to win a big match at the show. Of course he cheats some how and Hulk will come back for revenge when season 2 of Hogan Knows Best comes out.
2 - Cena keeps the belt & this feud ends really quickly as it has been announced that the next PPV main event is Cena vs Angle
3 - Batista keeps the belt and this hopefully ends JBL headlining Smackdown PPV's. I also refuse to believe that HHH will lose to Batista 3 times in a row on PPV only to let him job out to JBL a month later
4 - Benoit wins the title to bring some prestige back to the title. This will probably lead to a feud for the title between Benoit & JBL.
5 - Eddie Guerreo wins becuase he lies, cheats, and steals. Plus this feud can keep on going for several more months as Rey tries to get custody of Dominick back.
6 - It would be funny if Edge got the win & Matt was fired the next night; but I think this ends in a double DQ and the feud keeps on going to the next PPV
7 - Somehow Eugene is going to keep the medals but will lose the match as Angle goes beserk. He'll probably regain the medals on Raw the next night and be seen as a mean heel in time for his match with Cena
8 - Orton must win this to set up the rubber match between the two and makes Orton a viable contender when he tries to gain revenge on Batista for the shoulder injury

Mr Badguy
08-20-2005, 05:40 AM
When is HHH coming back?

He`s been gone more than a month.

I think he`ll walk straight into a feud with Cena for the belt.

Full Bug
08-20-2005, 10:04 AM
I'm thinking HHH doesnt want to share the spotlight with Hogan....
Yeah, I wouldnt be surprised if he came back and took the belt off Cena....

Big Troubles
08-20-2005, 03:54 PM
this will be the first time in a long time for me NOT ordering one of the BIG 4 PPV's. I want to see Hogan/Michaels to see who'll interfere and how Hogan/Michaels work with each other. I also want to see if Edge and Hardy are going to "fight" or "wrestle". I'd be pissed if they "lock up, collar and elbow"...Because that's not a fight. I think this is the worst time in wrestling, creativly speaking. Everything else on the card does nothing for me. "custody papers dangling from the ceiling-Ladder match?" Jesus Christ, Im embarrassed to be a wrestling fan. Id like to see Vince make it real, kick ass, like UFC but keep the characters and promo/interviews for match hype. The days of "Hulkamania","Attitude", "Crash" and "Highspots" are done... Let's make them really kick the shit out of each other!!!

Fairwrning
08-20-2005, 05:46 PM
Bring back the boxing matches..Billy Gunn(actually the "other " gunn) i think.. knocking the shit out of Steve Williams...

POJO_Risin
08-20-2005, 05:53 PM
http://www.yeeeah.com/photos/uncategorized/hayden_playboy_mansion.jpg

This is that chick that was playboy playmate of the year...with Vader...Darth...not Van...

and a new boob job...

POJO_Risin
08-20-2005, 05:54 PM
now that you've seen the good...

WTF happened to fucking Sunny...there was NOONE hotter than her...

http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/1301/19xe.jpg

POJO_Risin
08-20-2005, 05:55 PM
She's supposedly 15 pounds away from her WWE weight...and about to come back to the WWE...

no fucking way...that photo was from this year...

Full Bug
08-20-2005, 10:02 PM
How crap, I knew she had put on weight but didnt think she had gotten THAT bad.....

Full Bug
08-20-2005, 10:07 PM
I would rather remember her this way.....

Anonymous
08-21-2005, 01:35 AM
Originally posted by Big Troubles
why does Hulk have to Jump in order to be a good wrestler? ;) I bet I can name 6 that have not made "jumping" a part of their routine. :D

Hell, if you can't EVEN jump, you CAN'T be a wrestler... I'm not saying that everyone needs to be like Mysteryo, but... getting both feet up from the floor at the same time SHOULD be a prerequisite. Just my opinion...


Originally posted by Big Troubles
Brother....


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!

Cheers! :bottle:

Anonymous
08-21-2005, 01:44 AM
Originally posted by Mr Badguy
When is HHH coming back?

He`s been gone more than a month.

I think he`ll walk straight into a feud with Cena for the belt.

You wish... Triple H's too smart for that. A feud against Cena = the end of HHH.

A few facts about what happened:

1. Batista is drafted for Smackdown!, no matter how much HHH wants im to be on RAW.
2. Since Batista is to be drafted to Smackdown! as the World Heavyweight Champion, the WWE Champion needs to be drafted to RAW.
3. If Cena IS to be drafted to RAW, might as well keep Batista until the draft is over, thus making a grate opprtunity for three things to happen:
1 - HHH gets to keep his soap opera with Batista, avoiding ANY contact with Cena.
2 - Cena gets to have hos own soap opera happening WITHOUTH Triple H.
3 - A PPV happens with BOTH champions on RAW.

You'd have to be blind not to notice this. And WHY, pray tell, wouldn't Triple H start fighting with Cena? Simple: It would mean the end of his career. And The Game is too smart for that.

Cheers! :bottle:

Big Troubles
08-21-2005, 09:23 AM
Originally posted by POJO_Risin
She's supposedly 15 pounds away from her WWE weight...and about to come back to the WWE...

no fucking way...that photo was from this year...

I dont want to be tasteless but Im thinking she ate Chris Candido after he died. :eek: Yup. That was tasteless.

She's 15 lbs away from something, but it sure aint a return to a global trading wrestling empire. No fucking way. Then again they could always pay her in peanuts and use her as Vis's love slave. Kinda like a Jabba the Hut-Princess Laya thing. :D

Big Troubles
08-21-2005, 09:27 AM
Cause he's the game-a, and he's gonna be the world champion-a, and he talks like this-a..... ;) He's that damn good.

I think HHH would be better suited in coming back in a guidance role. Like Flair for him. Like Perfect was for Flair. Like JJ Dillion was for the Horsemen. HHH can be on tv and make things cool again, he just needs to stop putting himself over so much and he needs to scale back his positioning in the cards. He could start recruiting new members for Evolution? Whats Maven doing these days?....Oh yeah... How about.... Nope they fired him too. Oh well.

Full Bug
08-21-2005, 11:53 AM
Originally posted by Big Troubles
I dont want to be tasteless but Im thinking she ate Chris Candido after he died. :eek: Yup. That was tasteless.
She's 15 lbs away from something, but it sure aint a return to a global trading wrestling empire. No fucking way. Then again they could always pay her in peanuts and use her as Vis's love slave. Kinda like a Jabba the Hut-Princess Laya thing. :D
LOL....:D

EdwardVanHalen1
08-21-2005, 11:57 AM
Originally posted by Big Troubles
Cause he's the game-a, and he's gonna be the world champion-a, and he talks like this-a..... ;) He's that damn good.

I think HHH would be better suited in coming back in a guidance role. Like Flair for him. Like Perfect was for Flair. Like JJ Dillion was for the Horsemen. HHH can be on tv and make things cool again, he just needs to stop putting himself over so much and he needs to scale back his positioning in the cards. He could start recruiting new members for Evolution? Whats Maven doing these days?....Oh yeah... How about.... Nope they fired him too. Oh well.


the wwe got read of a lot of good wrestlers

Mr Badguy
08-21-2005, 06:27 PM
Originally posted by Imapus Sylicker
You wish... Triple H's too smart for that. A feud against Cena = the end of HHH.

A few facts about what happened:

1. Batista is drafted for Smackdown!, no matter how much HHH wants im to be on RAW.
2. Since Batista is to be drafted to Smackdown! as the World Heavyweight Champion, the WWE Champion needs to be drafted to RAW.
3. If Cena IS to be drafted to RAW, might as well keep Batista until the draft is over, thus making a grate opprtunity for three things to happen:
1 - HHH gets to keep his soap opera with Batista, avoiding ANY contact with Cena.
2 - Cena gets to have hos own soap opera happening WITHOUTH Triple H.
3 - A PPV happens with BOTH champions on RAW.

You'd have to be blind not to notice this. And WHY, pray tell, wouldn't Triple H start fighting with Cena? Simple: It would mean the end of his career. And The Game is too smart for that.

Cheers! :bottle:

I dislike Cena`s character so much I`d gladly see HHH get more over by beating his ass.

And that`s not something I would say about any other wrestler on WWEs books.

Mr Badguy
08-21-2005, 06:28 PM
Did anyone else see Cena`s new video that WWE seem to slip into all their programming?

It is wet as fuck.

Big Troubles
08-21-2005, 07:26 PM
it was horrible. Cena should be no further up the card than say IC or US title positioning. Benoit should be a world champ though.

anyone getting this ppv tonight?

Full Bug
08-21-2005, 09:18 PM
Originally posted by Big Troubles

anyone getting this ppv tonight?
Nah....I hear Matt Hardy got smoked in less then 5 minutes, should see him reduced to Sunday Night Heat in no time, at least Benoit beat that no talent Orlando Jordan in 15 seconds.....

Full Bug
08-21-2005, 09:24 PM
Bret Hart Calls HHH A "Piece Of Shit"

The following highlights are from a Bret Hart Question & Answer session which took place at today's NWA Legends Convention in North Carolina:

- Hart says he is over WWE, but hopes they don't forget what they did to him. To him, the "screwjob" was never a storyline and his heart will never be with WWE again. He said he'd rather work with TNA or someone else.

- When asked about HHH by a fan who got cursed at by Hunter for holding a Bret Hart sign, Hart said he was a "no good piece of s***"."

- Hart says he puts more blame on Shawn Michaels and Triple H rather than Vince McMahon. Hart says there was a code of trust among wrestlers which Michaels and Hunter both broke.

- Bret said if it had been anyone else in Montreal, he would have had no problem dropping the belt. He said his issue was with Shawn Michaels and also lamented about their locker room fight.

rustoffa
08-21-2005, 09:28 PM
Originally posted by Full Bug
- Hart says he puts more blame on Shawn Michaels and Triple H rather than Vince McMahon. Hart says there was a code of trust among wrestlers which Michaels and Hunter both broke.

- Bret said if it had been anyone else in Montreal, he would have had no problem dropping the belt. He said his issue was with Shawn Michaels and also lamented about their locker room fight.

The early days of "The Clique"...
:D

monkeythe
08-21-2005, 11:54 PM
I just got back from my local PPV blast area. The show was OK. Nothing incredible but nothing too bad either.

Chris Benoit beat OJ in about 20 seconds for the US title.
Edge beat Matt Hardy by ref decision to stop match due to Hardy being unable to defend himself. It was a stupid decision & a bad squash match.
Rey won the ladder match with help from Mrs Guerrero. SOme great spots and a dumb plot line.
Angle made Eugene tap out to the ankle lock. Fun little match.
Orton beat UT when the match was stopped due to a fan in the ring causing UT to be distracted. The man turned out to be Orton's dad in some good makeup.
Cena beat Jericho in a pretty good match
Batista destroyed JBL
Hulk beat Shawn in a very entertaining match.

Full Bug
08-22-2005, 05:58 AM
"Hogan won with a legdrop after 2 ref bumps. After the first ref bump, everyone did look to the back for Bret Hart. Michaels was clearly watching Terry Funk tapes because he did tons of Funk bumps in trying to do a one man show. Michaels put on a great performance and Hogan juiced like crazy, did his comebacks, etc. Michaels offered his hand to Hogan and they shook hands, so Michaels is back as a face and no rematch. By the end, this had more heat than any match except the Jericho-Cena bout. It didn't have the special electricity I expected, but you couldn't have reasonably expected a better match."

Told you Hogan would win BT.....;) :D
So HBK is a good guy again, that sucks, was really enjoying him being a heel again.....

Big Troubles
08-22-2005, 07:57 AM
Originally posted by Full Bug


Told you Hogan would win BT.....;) :D
So HBK is a good guy again, that sucks, was really enjoying him being a heel again.....

LOL yeah yeah.... ;)

i was really expecting an Austin appearance too. :(

Soul Reaper
08-22-2005, 08:06 AM
Originally posted by Full Bug
"Hogan won with a legdrop after 2 ref bumps. After the first ref bump, everyone did look to the back for Bret Hart. Michaels was clearly watching Terry Funk tapes because he did tons of Funk bumps in trying to do a one man show. Michaels put on a great performance and Hogan juiced like crazy, did his comebacks, etc. Michaels offered his hand to Hogan and they shook hands, so Michaels is back as a face and no rematch. By the end, this had more heat than any match except the Jericho-Cena bout. It didn't have the special electricity I expected, but you couldn't have reasonably expected a better match."

Told you Hogan would win BT.....;) :D
So HBK is a good guy again, that sucks, was really enjoying him being a heel again.....

well that's not predictable :rolleyes:

WWE do way TOO many ref bumps

Soul Reaper
08-22-2005, 08:08 AM
That's what I hate...ref bumps.

It's overdone, predictable and looks so fake! At least get another ref in the ring, like in ECW, so it looks credible

zeronumber
08-22-2005, 09:59 AM
One thing that pissed me off was cena walking away with the belt yesterday. He's a horrible Wrestler, his gimmick and promos are getting ultra stale...plus he was getting booed the whole match.

I remember when Jericho got him in the woj...the crowd stood on their feet cheering, and everytime cena broke out of it, or rolled a shoulder up for a 3 count, he got booed.

Hell, before Cena got the fu off of jericho, and jericho pinned him, the whole crowed chanted "That was 3", because the ref counted to four, but counted 1 TWICE!!!!

Even I was screaming out "that was bullshit"

As for the Beniot and Jorden match...to say it only lasted 20 secs, is exaggerating...it bearly lasted 10...

They start the match, they lock up, jorden gets a cheap shot in, beniot give hims a german, then the cross face, and jorden instantly taps out...end of match.

The angle eugene match was sort of entertaining...mostly when eugene got the ankle lock on Angle, but it was a pretty short match. I'm just glad they stop this whole bs with eugene.

The Jbl and Batista match was a joke. I was expecting blood, I was expecting a ton of holy shit moments...The match was a mild ecw match at best, no blood what so ever, and it ended with batista powerbombing jbl into the steel steps.

The undertaker vs. Orton match, was nothing short of awesome, just as good, if not better than their wrestlemania matchup.

The Matt Hardy Edge Match was pure shit. It wasn't even wrestling...they were just throwing punches at each other for 90% of the match.

Then Edge Picks up Matt and matt lands head first into the ring post, and gets popped open(which was bearly even a cut if you asked me...seriously, hogan lost more blood than that), and the ref stopped the match.

Way to go Matt...You could have gone to tna and be a main eventer, instead you go back to the wwe, wrestle with edge(which turns into a crappy fued, weither your shawn michaels, chris beniot, or Kane), have a mid card match, and make a hugely anticipated match, a complete flop. He's got a bright future in the wwe. ;)

The hogan vs Hbk match was corny, but I still liked it, reminded me of old school wwe matches, and wcw back in the day. Though, I would have loved to see hogan cleanly job to hbk..

And last, but certiainly not least, the best match at summer slam,
Guerrero vs. Mysterio. Now this was a match that I was least looking foward to, but ended up kicking the most ass. Their were more holy shit moments in this one match alone, then the rest of the ppv's matches combined. The best were the botched up attempts at swantons, and powerbombs, and one botch up that had the ladders collapse and nearly destroyed both guerrero and mysterio.

It had a corny ending with Eddie's wife, knocking off eddie off the ladder, then holding eddie back while mysterio climbed the ladder.
But still a great ppv. Well worth it.

Big Troubles
08-22-2005, 07:03 PM
Originally posted by zeronumber
Way to go Matt...You could have gone to tna and be a main eventer, instead you go back to the wwe, wrestle with edge(which turns into a crappy fued, weither your shawn michaels, chris beniot, or Kane), have a mid card match, and make a hugely anticipated match, a complete flop. He's got a bright future in the wwe.

Im pretty sure Vince signed Matt to a short term contract. Possibly just the build up to SS and including the 'fight" and that's it. The way they ended that match looked like a kiss off to Hardy. So he could, in 90 days, show up in TNA still having fans remember his last match being a good brawl with lots of blood. Im hoping he leaves wwe now. Vince needs competition.

anyone know when Spanky and Noble start up again?

Soul Reaper
08-23-2005, 04:41 PM
Originally posted by zeronumber
One thing that pissed me off was cena walking away with the belt yesterday. He's a horrible Wrestler, his gimmick and promos are getting ultra stale...plus he was getting booed the whole match.

I remember when Jericho got him in the woj...the crowd stood on their feet cheering, and everytime cena broke out of it, or rolled a shoulder up for a 3 count, he got booed.

Hell, before Cena got the fu off of jericho, and jericho pinned him, the whole crowed chanted "That was 3", because the ref counted to four, but counted 1 TWICE!!!!

Even I was screaming out "that was bullshit"


i couldn't agree more.

did that really happen??!! that sounds really shit! damn WWE

Full Bug
08-23-2005, 07:07 PM
The full Q&A with Bret Hart from the other day.....

Hitman lets loose in Q&A

Bret Hart recounts and looks to future at fan forum

CHARLOTTE -- If Bret Hart didn't precisely know the first query that would be directed at him Sunday afternoon, it's clear that he had a pretty strong inkling.

Would Hart answer a few questions at a fan forum, hop in a limo, race down I-77 to a waiting jet at Charlotte Douglas International Airport, fly to Washington, D.C. and make a grand return to the WWE at SummerSlam?

"Not this year, not next year, not the year after that, not the 50 years after that," the former WWE champion quickly responded.

Clearly, then, "no."

From the tone of Hart's give-and-take with fans at the NWA Legends Fanfest here, it is equally clear that the mere hint that he might have pulled that stunt is a fundamental misreading of what Hart thinks about his career and the direction of his life.

Though Shawn Michaels and Hulk Hogan needled Hart for weeks before their SummerSlam main event, and the WWE appeared teased fans about a possible encore by the "Hitman," the storyline wasn't done with his permission, Hart told about 150 fans.


"I think it's some kind of an attempt to use my name or my situation to promote their own angle. Neither Shawn Michaels nor Hulk Hogan are friends of mine and neither one is sympathetic to me, so it must be a case of two people that can't make it on their own, so they have to throw my name in there."

Hart said he'll continue to work with the WWE to produce a DVD about his career -- he expects to put the final touches on it this week for a November release. But with the infamous double cross by Michaels at the 1997 Survivor Series still in his memory lock box, that's as far as the good will extends.

"I have compromised some of my feelings toward the WWF. I think we have come far enough. I think they accept that were a bunch of lousy bastards about it, and I accept that they were," he said.

Hart's appearance Sunday attracted a strong walk-up crowd of WWE-regaled fans not normally seen at NWA-styled events. Some waited for nearly two hours for an autograph from Hart, who was seated on a dais with former stars such as Greg Valentine, Ken Patera, Dick Slater and Baron Von Raschke.

The crush pushed back his question-and-answer session by an hour, shortening it to 60 minutes from a scheduled two hours.

Perched on a chair, wearing a baseball cap backwards, Hart fielded questions in an unemotional tone, letting his words carry the day, with none of the histrionics that marked forums with former NWA champion Terry Funk or manager Jim Cornette earlier in the weekend.

Much of the hour predictably revolved around the 1997 Survivor Series, when WWE owner Vince McMahon, Michaels and other conspired to strip Hart of his title in an unplanned match finish. Captured on film in Wrestling With Shadows, a documentary about Hart, the contest has attained almost mythic status.

The double cross still irks Hart, in large part because Michaels refused just weeks before the match to ensure that he would work with, not against, his rival in the ring. That's a violation of basic principles of wrestling, Hart said.

"If you know anything about wrestling, pro wrestling, it's all about trust. The whole business is about trust. There's a certain code. You put your life in some guy's hands every night. You give your body up to him."

That's why Hart said he refused to lost the title to Michaels. In one moment of hilarity, he said he told McMahon he would even lose to the Brooklyn Brawler, a long-time opening bout loser, rather than Michaels.

As to Michaels' ally Triple H, "he is just a phony, lying piece of shit," Hart said to a crescendo of applause. "He was part of the whole thing and he was there swearing to God like Shawn, swearing to God that they had nothing to do with [the double cross]. If you watch the documentary, you see them for the lying pieces of shit that they are.

"The difference between me and Shawn Michaels and Hunter Helmsley is if they come to me that day and they say, 'Look, we want you to screw Shawn, and we want you to do this,' I wouldn't have done it. I'm not going to screw up another guy. Not now, not then."

That's why Hart blames Michaels more than McMahon, whom he said was acting as the tough-minded businessman that he is. "You can say what you want about Vince McMahon, but he was the best ... He was a genius at creating stories for the wrestlers."

In retrospect, Hart said his problems with the WWE, and especially Michaels, started at WrestleMania X, when McMahon sent his idea for a ladder match to Michaels and Razor Ramon. Hart said he had tried for a year to get McMahon to buy into the concept, going so far as to wrestle Michaels in a demonstration ladder match at a small show.

"They stole my idea. It was grand theft. I wished that I could have had some great ladder matches with some people," he said. "It pissed me off. It was the first backstabbing kind of thing that Shawn did with me."

Hart said he prefers to remember his classic, no-gimmicks bout with brother Owen on the same card. "They'll never steal my thunder with Owen at WrestleMania X."

The Iron Man match against Michaels at WrestleMania XII also foreshadowed the events in Montreal, Hart said. The company sent him to work overseas and paired him with slow-moving wrestlers like Yokozuna and The Undertaker so that he wouldn't be prepared to go a full hour with a well-conditioned Michaels, Hart charged.

"I didn't get to do a lot of cardio," Hart said. "They wanted to set me up. [Announcer] Jim Ross wanted to be on the microphone at the 45-minute mark, talking about how Shawn is picking me off the mat."

But Hart said he trained "like crazy" right before the match, and considers it a good match because the two men were trying to outwork each other. "That was a tough, long day at the office," he said.

Even in the weeks before Survivor Series, Hart said he got into a "little catfight" in a dressing room with Michaels, slinging him around "by what little hair he had."

Returning to the present, Hart feels the Montreal "screw job" hurt the WWE in the long run because it deprived the group of his expertise. He felt he eventually would wind up in the front office, handling bookings and storylines, and working with young wrestlers to hone their performances.

"When they screwed me in Montreal, they lost all of that, and that's part of I paid, but it's also part of the price they paid. I'm never going to give them what I have." But he would be willing to help TNA in the same capacity, he added.

In other matters, Hart acknowledged that he was "no stranger to steroids" when he started to get his first championship push in 1992. His rise to the top of the singles division from a tag-team star came when McMahon was on trial for steroid-related offenses, and the WWE wanted stars to look free of physique-enhancing drugs.

But he said he was "not dependent" on them, and worked without them as one of the smallest, but most skilled, champions in WWE history. In fact, he also reserved sharp words for Ric Flair, the hometown Charlotte hero from whom he snatched the world title.

After Flair failed to follow McMahon's directions about a match with Randy Savage, the WWE owner sent the two to the ring for a remake, he recalled.

"They just said, 'This guy's the pits,'" Hart said, echoing a criticism also leveled by Ole Anderson. "Ric Flair had the same match with Big Bubba as he has with Chris Benoit, upside down into the turnbuckle, running down the side ... Ric Flair couldn't do anything but a Ric Flair match."

In contrast, Hart felt he could work a variety of different styles and believed wrestling was "a better business" because of his contributions.

"I'm surprised. I found out since I've been here everybody hates Flair more than I did," he cracked.

As to the future of wrestling, he put in a good word for nephew Harry Smith. "I think in 10 years from now, he'll be world champion, or maybe less. He ought to be anyway." Hart also said he is impressed with TNA star A.J. Styles, who was in attendance Sunday.

Hart said he would consider accepting enshrinement in the WWE Hall of Fame, and is eyeing the DVD's success as a gauge of his relationship with the federation. "It's not there yet. It's still floating around in my mind. We'll see soon enough," he said.

Hotel officials estimated weekend attendance at about 700 fans, the strongest since 1,200 gathered at promoter Greg Price's inaugural Charlotte-based fan festival in January 2004. Price said he might hold his next fanfest in the metropolitan Washington, D.C. area sometime next summer.

Mr Badguy
08-23-2005, 07:35 PM
Hart`s DVD in Novemeber?

I`ll look forward to that.

I assume the Montreal match won`t be on it?

Mr Badguy
08-23-2005, 07:35 PM
Hart`s DVD in November?

I`ll look forward to that.

I assume the Montreal match won`t be on it?

Mr Badguy
08-23-2005, 07:35 PM
Hart`s DVD in November?

I`ll look forward to that.

I assume the Montreal match won`t be on it?

Mr Badguy
08-23-2005, 07:37 PM
Shite!

Mr Badguy
08-23-2005, 07:39 PM
My PCs playing funny buggers.

zeronumber
08-23-2005, 08:42 PM
Originally posted by Soul Reaper
i couldn't agree more.

did that really happen??!! that sounds really shit! damn WWE

It did happen.

I taped summer slam, and I was reviewing what went down again and again.

Just before the match ends...Jericho flips over cena for a pin...The ref lands his hand(for a 1 count, but doesn't count), then on 2...He counts one.

Now cena kicks out before the ref called out 3(which technically is 4), but still...It's obvious that Jericho won the match.

Everybody in the front row was screaming "That was three" because it was.

I'm surprised that they didn't try to make an angle of it, and tell cena to hand the belt to jericho, instead of that whole pathetic "firing" shit they pulled last monday.

zeronumber
08-23-2005, 08:46 PM
Originally posted by Big Troubles
Im pretty sure Vince signed Matt to a short term contract. Possibly just the build up to SS and including the 'fight" and that's it. The way they ended that match looked like a kiss off to Hardy. So he could, in 90 days, show up in TNA still having fans remember his last match being a good brawl with lots of blood. Im hoping he leaves wwe now. Vince needs competition.

anyone know when Spanky and Noble start up again?

As far as I know...Spanky is still in Zero one in japan...
Noble wrestles for ROH...

I'm pretty sure whenever they have another gaunlet for the x-division title, that they'll throw in a bunch of faceless nobodies from roh and other nwa productions to make it look as though it's not the same 10 people competing for the belt.

As for matt, he joins his brother in terms of pathetic returns.

Jeff absolutely sucked when he returned to tna last july up until he got suspended. Matt returns, he has poorly done works, a crap fest of a summer slam match, and he has a midcarder match in which he jobs to conway... He didn't even attempt the twist of fate...

Anonymous
08-23-2005, 11:28 PM
Originally posted by Mr Badguy
I dislike Cena`s character so much I`d gladly see HHH get more over by beating his ass.

And that`s not something I would say about any other wrestler on WWEs books.

:lol: I can't believe you managed to make any sense of my post... I was so drunk I forgot to get to the point there.

But I have to agree with you. Cena started to bore me with that "everyone's against me" routine. I'm lighting a candle to Kurt Angle and praying to Virgin Mary that he beats Cena to a pulp. :rofl: In thruth, Angle's the only one right now with the proper profile to get Cena's hands off the belt. Then, and ONLY THEN, can HHH become the WWC for the 11th time. Because my point in my last post was that Hunter's character's so debilitated from his desperate attempts at keeping Batista on RAW - including losing for the first time ever in The Cell - and Cena's character so powerful right after being draftede to RAW that it would be a suicide for HHH to even start arguing with the guy. That's one of the reasons, I believe, that they drafted Cena first and Batista last - to allow Hunter to credibly avoid any confrontation with Cena. Not so with Kurt Angle... :D

So, GO ANGLE! GET THAT MOTHERFUCKER CENA! KILL 'IM!!!!

Cheers! :bottle:

Anonymous
08-23-2005, 11:36 PM
Originally posted by zeronumber
I remember when Jericho got him in the woj...the crowd stood on their feet cheering, and everytime cena broke out of it, or rolled a shoulder up for a 3 count, he got booed.

Hell, before Cena got the fu off of jericho, and jericho pinned him, the whole crowed chanted "That was 3", because the ref counted to four, but counted 1 TWICE!!!!

Even I was screaming out "that was bullshit"

There are a LOT of 3 counts... especially on RAW. The wrestler being pinned gets his arm up JUST AFTER the referee counts to 3 too fast.

But isn't that part of the fun? To see how many blatant mistakes you can spot? :D

I do agree that when Cena gets to continue after a 3 count IS frustrating...

Cheers! :bottle:

zeronumber
08-24-2005, 12:00 AM
Meh, I'm going to miss jericho...I would have liked to see him win the belt one more time...

Now he's going on tour, and his contract will run out in a few months.

monkeythe
08-24-2005, 12:20 AM
I'm pretty sure Jericho signed a long term deal last year. I think it makes sense for Jericho to leave for a while because he has been seen as a mid-carder for so long that when he was finally in a title match no one thought he'd win.

Soul Reaper
08-24-2005, 07:30 AM
Originally posted by zeronumber
It did happen.

I taped summer slam, and I was reviewing what went down again and again.

Just before the match ends...Jericho flips over cena for a pin...The ref lands his hand(for a 1 count, but doesn't count), then on 2...He counts one.

Now cena kicks out before the ref called out 3(which technically is 4), but still...It's obvious that Jericho won the match.

Everybody in the front row was screaming "That was three" because it was.

I'm surprised that they didn't try to make an angle of it, and tell cena to hand the belt to jericho, instead of that whole pathetic "firing" shit they pulled last monday.

what firing shit?!

i'll have a look at WWE.com or OWW

Soul Reaper
08-24-2005, 07:31 AM
why did they fire Jericho?

Soul Reaper
08-24-2005, 07:32 AM
maybe the ref counting thing was a fix. John cena is precious to the WWE now and the gullible fans

rustoffa
08-24-2005, 08:59 PM
Originally posted by Soul Reaper
why did they fire Jericho?

He didn't get the "job" done according to Bischoff.

Heh, gotta love the irony in that.

POJO_Risin
08-24-2005, 09:19 PM
Jericho is leaving to take some time off...which he hasn't had since he left in 1999...

he's also going to be touring with Fozzy...

but he signed a 6 or 7 year deal...he'll be back...

rustoffa
08-24-2005, 09:47 PM
Originally posted by POJO_Risin
he's also going to be touring with Fozzy...


Here's the setlist from Atlanta on the first Fozzy tour...

#9!!!

:killer:

Anonymous
08-25-2005, 12:06 AM
Originally posted by rustoffa
Here's the setlist from Atlanta on the first Fozzy tour...

#9!!!

:killer:

All of a sudden, Y2J has become my favorite wrestler... JERICHO FUCKIN' RULES!!!

How was the cuntcert, Stoff?

Cheers! :bottle:

Dan
08-25-2005, 12:07 AM
Originally posted by Big Troubles
LOL yeah yeah.... ;)

i was really expecting an Austin appearance too. :(

Bring Back Steve.

Anonymous
08-25-2005, 12:12 AM
Alright, boys and girls... if any of you has an N-Gage, daddy got some sugar for you: The N-Gage WWE Aftershock game:

ed2k://|file|WWE.Aftershock.(Full.Version).Arena.Patched. Tested.OK.-.Kane.and.Big.Show.Unlocked.rar|11052870|9167F6A16 237B3B3DE2BB31EE7A4B3A4|/

I personally unlocked Kane and Big Show by beating everyone to a pulp (ESPECIALLY that MOTHERFUCKER John Shitna) with the one and only, The Game, TRIPLEEEE H!

Just copy and paste the link on eDonkey or any of its variants and tell me who you are... and I'll be glad to let you download it in front of all the other fuckers.

Cheers! :bottle:

Anonymous
08-25-2005, 12:15 AM
Oh, riiight. Here's the RAW PC game as well:

Disc 1:

ed2k://|file|Wwe.-.Raw.-.The.Game.-Cd1-.(Pc).[for-wwe4you.com].iso|667295744|39C33D5376BD659081F65221B72B5530|/

Disc 2:

ed2k://|file|WWE.-.RAW.-.The.Game.-Cd2-.(PC).[For-wwe4you.com].iso|263163904|DCE83483047E3866ECF585268AB709EA|/

Same procedure as above, ladies and gentlemen. The game isn't much, though... the graphics are ok, but only slightly better than the N-Gage's. After all, the game is from 2002. :D Still, it's the only decent WWE game for PC that I am aware of, and it'll keep you entertained, at least.

Cheers! :bottle:

Anonymous
08-25-2005, 12:18 AM
By the way, why the hell did they send beautiful, gorgeous (I'd like to titty fuck her) Christy Hemme to Smackdown!? I mean, she's CLEARLY RAW material!

Suicide bombing party at Vince McMahon's house anyone?

Cheers! :bottle:

Vinnie Velvet
08-25-2005, 08:32 AM
Ya know what, I respect Bret Hart.

And of course he did get screwed as he said he did at Survior Series 97.

But come on Bret, GET OVER IT ALREADY!

Its been almost 8 years.

Granted, it may be Vince's fault.

Because you see, every now and then, the Montreal screwjob comes up. And it was a figure point in the Micheals-Hogan feud leading up to their match at Summerslam.

But its only good business. WWE knows that the fans still get off on the Montreal screwjob. And it certainly generated good heat for HBK against his match with Hogan.

So, why can't Hart accept that?? Doesn't he realize that because fans still talk about it, the WWE will push more storylines and reflect on it as much as they can?

I don't know. I just think after all these years, Bret Hart should stop whining about it.

zeronumber
08-25-2005, 11:24 AM
Originally posted by Soul Reaper
what firing shit?!

i'll have a look at WWE.com or OWW

OWW has been slacking off as of lately. They haven't been uploading columns as quickly, or updating the profiles as much anymore.

I guess they spent too much time redoing the messageboards or something...which imo looks gay. I blame green meanie for that one.

zeronumber
08-25-2005, 11:27 AM
Originally posted by Vinnie Velvet
Ya know what, I respect Bret Hart.

And of course he did get screwed as he said he did at Survior Series 97.

But come on Bret, GET OVER IT ALREADY!

Its been almost 8 years.

Granted, it may be Vince's fault.

Because you see, every now and then, the Montreal screwjob comes up. And it was a figure point in the Micheals-Hogan feud leading up to their match at Summerslam.

But its only good business. WWE knows that the fans still get off on the Montreal screwjob. And it certainly generated good heat for HBK against his match with Hogan.

So, why can't Hart accept that?? Doesn't he realize that because fans still talk about it, the WWE will push more storylines and reflect on it as much as they can?

I don't know. I just think after all these years, Bret Hart should stop whining about it.

I still fail to see how he got screwed over...
He plan to screw the writers over by not jobbing to michaels, when he was basically finished with the wwe anyway.

Besides...he left the wwe to get a 9 million dollar contract, and a starcade 97 work at wcw.

If anybody screwed bret, it Was Bill Goldberg, who gave him a concusion that he never really recovered from.

Vinnie Velvet
08-25-2005, 11:38 AM
Originally posted by zeronumber
I still fail to see how he got screwed over...
He plan to screw the writers over by not jobbing to michaels, when he was basically finished with the wwe anyway.

Besides...he left the wwe to get a 9 million dollar contract, and a starcade 97 work at wcw.

If anybody screwed bret, it Was Bill Goldberg, who gave him a concusion that he never really recovered from.

Well, Hart did get screwed over simply as a result of the finish.

From what I recall, Hart was going to be at RAW the next night and forfit the title and THEN head to WCW.

Hart didn't want to drop the title to HBK, but Vince wanted him to. But what was agreed upon was for Bret to relinquish the title on RAW, thank the WWE fans and be on his way.

Unfortunately, Vince (and Shawn) had other plans.

Vince was afraid that Bret would appear on Nitro with the WWF belt.

And he didn't want the possibility of that happening. Keep in mind, this was 1997. WCW Nitro were riding high with the nWo and so on, while the WWF were suffering.

zeronumber
08-25-2005, 01:22 PM
Even still. I hardly consider that being screwed. he was a multiple time world champion, he was going to wcw with more money,a nd win the world title, what...3 more times?

I consider what happened to Akio a screw job.
Akio was an awesome wrestler, jobber, and undoubtably THE BEST cruiserweight on smackdown...

And he just got cut on vinnie mac's impulsive firing spree's.

rustoffa
08-25-2005, 08:33 PM
Originally posted by Imapus Sylicker
All of a sudden, Y2J has become my favorite wrestler... JERICHO FUCKIN' RULES!!!

How was the cuntcert, Stoff?

Cheers! :bottle:


Over the top and rawkus. They're alot tighter nowadays. The band is basically the Stuck Mojo guys minus the singer (a local band). He hooked up with 'em in the WCW days.

A good friend of mine does all their merch, (and The Army stuff) and always gets the hookup on the Fozzy shows, RAW, etc.

Jericho is a really down to earth guy, and the love of Metal is NOT a gimmick.

I'll dig up some cuntcert pics I have somewhere.

There's a full list of the upcoming tour dates here. (http://www.fozzyrock.com)

Anonymous
08-26-2005, 12:35 AM
Dig up a couple a cuntcert pics AND a few videos if you can, even if small ones. I'd love to see even a bit of a Fozzy cuntcert.

Does Jericho Lion Saults when he's singing? :rofl:

Cheers! :bottle:

redblkwht
08-26-2005, 02:42 AM
hek id even consider seeing fozzy..lol

zeronumber
08-26-2005, 11:30 AM
Originally posted by Imapus Sylicker
Dig up a couple a cuntcert pics AND a few videos if you can, even if small ones. I'd love to see even a bit of a Fozzy cuntcert.

Does Jericho Lion Saults when he's singing? :rofl:

Cheers! :bottle:

I actually went to a fozzy concert once. He basically played all covers...

He's basically like andrew wk...he jumps around the stage alot.

What I thougt was funny was he asked the crowd how many people bought happenstance...and 10 people raised their hands...

He promptly said "It's ok...you can lie..."

He also cracked up when he was trying to say "We are huge ....lol...rock stars"

The wierdest part of the show....There was this pig dressed in an amry outfit waving the us flag, and would occasionaly act like he's playing guitar on it.

Great show btw.

Soul Reaper
08-26-2005, 11:40 AM
Originally posted by Imapus Sylicker
Does Jericho Lion Saults when he's singing? :rofl:

i wonder if they have a wrestlign rign as stage prop LOL

rustoffa
08-28-2005, 12:01 AM
Yep, he's still got it.
:D

rustoffa
08-28-2005, 12:02 AM
The man

rustoffa
08-28-2005, 12:02 AM
1

rustoffa
08-28-2005, 12:03 AM
2

rustoffa
08-28-2005, 12:03 AM
3

rustoffa
08-28-2005, 12:04 AM
4

rustoffa
08-28-2005, 12:04 AM
5

rustoffa
08-28-2005, 12:05 AM
7

rustoffa
08-28-2005, 12:05 AM
8

rustoffa
08-28-2005, 12:05 AM
9

rustoffa
08-28-2005, 12:06 AM
10

rustoffa
08-28-2005, 12:08 AM
11

Soul Reaper
08-28-2005, 05:54 AM
is that Abdullah?

Full Bug
08-28-2005, 10:58 AM
This is a very funny read, on the mark too....

We've All Been PUNK'D!

A Guest Editorial by Spike Dudley


HAHA!!!! NOW I get it!! We've all been Punk'd!

I'm referring to, of course, the episode of MTV's Punk'd in which my boss (and yours), HHH, was set up and ribbed on live television. But in the end, it was just a joke. A work. A prank. HHH didn't really hit that bride in the face and make her bleed.

So then it dawned on me. WE'RE all getting Punk'd by WWE! Any one of these days, Ashton Kutcher will come out on Raw and SmackDown and admit to us wrestling fans and wrestlers that we've been getting punk'd, prank'd, and rib'd these past 4 years. It was all a joke!

And what a great joke it has been. They REALLY had us going, huh?

Here I was thinking that WWE would actually fire me, Bubba Ray, D-Von, Matt Morgan, Charlie Haas, Dawn Marie, etc, and then hire people like Ashley, Christy Hemme, Vito, and the Boogeyman. HA! Nice prank, Vince. Joke's over now, hire us back.

And then there was great one about the whole WCW invasion thing. They really had me going on that one. They buried all the WCW guys and refused to hire Goldberg, Bischoff, Flair, Steiner, Nash, and DDP. They made SHANE and STEPHANIE the owners of WCW and ECW for crying out loud! Hello, major Punk'd material! Isn't it like so obvious now? Do you feel stupid or what? Like WWE could REALLY be that lame?? No one, my friends, is that lame.

Oh, and then they went and turned Steve Austin heel. Here he was, like the biggest babyface of all time, sellouts everywhere, huge PPV buyrates, merchandise selling up the wazoo, and they turn him heel. HA!! As if!! And we believed it! How dumb are we??

Then, to really try to convince us it was all real, Vince went and brought back the nWo in 2002. Paid these guys tons of money to do nothing but get drunk and get injured, and sure enough, they did. And we all believed it. Like Vince would really be that stupid!! Sometimes I'm so gullible.

Or how about when he removed Paul Heyman from the writing team? Let's see, Paul writes SmackDown in the summer of '02 and makes it the hottest wrestling show in town. He gets over Brock Lesnar huge, and elevates Edge and Rey Misterio to the next level. And we're supposed to believe Vince would fire him, just like that? Come on, that just doesn't make sense! Ashton? How lame do you think we are?

And this year alone, Vince is throwing out all the stops. Lita cheats on Matt with Edge, and then Matt gets fired. Here's a guy who did nothing wrong, was a model employee, was over with the fans, and could work like a demon. And you and me, Mr. and Mrs. Shit-for-Brains, are supposed to honestly believe WWE would be so short-sighted and callous as to FIRE him. That way, he could get signed by TNA as the hottest free agent in years, and re-form the Hardy Boyz at the same time the New Age Outlaws and Dudleys reunite. Hey, I wasn't born yesterday. Come on, people!

Even Brock Lesnar and the NFL were in on this joke. Brock expected us all to believe he would quit his seven-figure job to go play for the NFL, despite not ever playing football in years. The Minnesota Vikings, also in on the joke, put Brock on the squad and even threw him in some pre-season games just to keep the joke rolling. You jokesters, you!

Any day now, Ashton Kutcher is going to come out and reveal that the past 4 years of WWE have all been a sick joke.

And that whole ECW thing. You know, One Night Stand? It goes and does a great buyrate, tears down the house, and you guys do NOTHING with the success? I don't care how retarded a person is, NO ONE is that incompetent to not follow up and make money off ECW. Only someone trying to PUNK someone would be so obviously dumb!

Then WWE starts paying Jim Cornette to train all these young guys. They then hire them and bring them to Raw, get this, YEARS before they are ready! Not only that, they take their OVW gimmicks, which were over huge, and change them! The Heart Breakers became the Heart Throbs, Damaja became a Basham, and in the purest example of stupidity, they take a master promo guy like Matt Morgan and make him STUTTER. And La Resistance, the guys who were so green they dropped my head on the end of a table and almost f*cking killed me?? They don't have woods deep enough to grow people stupid enough to think up these lame-ass gimmicks. That's a dead give-away! And we all believed it was true, even after WCW not only went out of business for mistakes just as stupid, but a whole book was written on it too!

And this past week, they tease a return of Bret Hart to Montreal. They play his music and everything. The crowd went apesh*t! And then, after all that, he doesn’t come. Not only that, but he never WILL come. The guy had a stroke and thus cannot handle the stress of live television angles, let alone promos. And they cried wolf in front of a SOLD OUT arena. Had it not been for the fact that it was all for Punk’d, I’d think it was totally stupid. But instead, I thought it was GENIUS!!

Ah man, well it all makes sense now, doesn't it? I was REALLY scared, thinking WWE had lost their minds. From 2001 to 2005, they took the biggest wrestling company in the world and nearly squandered it, all as a JOKE to you and me. They were four tough years to be a wrestling fan, but hey, it was worth it in the end. It will make for a great episode of Punk'd.

Guys, we're on to you! I don't know how long you plan on running this joke, but we're on to you. Show your face, Ashton. Show your face, Vince. Because me and all the wrestling fans refuse to believe a genius like you could be so f*cking stupid as to run WWE the way it has been run these past 4 years. Joke's over! Let's all go back to making sense again. Seriously, pull the plug on this thing before my paychecks stop coming.

So join me, wrestling fans, in a collective sigh of relief. WWE isn't that stupid after all. Whew!! I gotta hand it to them, they were pretty convincing. It takes balls to purposely piss millions of dollars down the drain like that, just for the sake of a good joke. I applaud them.

Congratulations. We've all been PUNK'D!!

Sarge's Little Helper
08-28-2005, 10:58 AM
This is a very funny read, on the mark too....

We've All Been PUNK'D!

A Guest Editorial by Spike Dudley


HAHA!!!! NOW I get it!! We've all been Punk'd!

I'm referring to, of course, the episode of MTV's Punk'd in which my boss (and yours), HHH, was set up and ribbed on live television. But in the end, it was just a joke. A work. A prank. HHH didn't really hit that bride in the face and make her bleed.

So then it dawned on me. WE'RE all getting Punk'd by WWE! Any one of these days, Ashton Kutcher will come out on Raw and SmackDown and admit to us wrestling fans and wrestlers that we've been getting punk'd, prank'd, and rib'd these past 4 years. It was all a joke!

And what a great joke it has been. They REALLY had us going, huh?

Here I was thinking that WWE would actually fire me, Bubba Ray, D-Von, Matt Morgan, Charlie Haas, Dawn Marie, etc, and then hire people like Ashley, Christy Hemme, Vito, and the Boogeyman. HA! Nice prank, Vince. Joke's over now, hire us back.

And then there was great one about the whole WCW invasion thing. They really had me going on that one. They buried all the WCW guys and refused to hire Goldberg, Bischoff, Flair, Steiner, Nash, and DDP. They made SHANE and STEPHANIE the owners of WCW and ECW for crying out loud! Hello, major Punk'd material! Isn't it like so obvious now? Do you feel stupid or what? Like WWE could REALLY be that lame?? No one, my friends, is that lame.

Oh, and then they went and turned Steve Austin heel. Here he was, like the biggest babyface of all time, sellouts everywhere, huge PPV buyrates, merchandise selling up the wazoo, and they turn him heel. HA!! As if!! And we believed it! How dumb are we??

Then, to really try to convince us it was all real, Vince went and brought back the nWo in 2002. Paid these guys tons of money to do nothing but get drunk and get injured, and sure enough, they did. And we all believed it. Like Vince would really be that stupid!! Sometimes I'm so gullible.

Or how about when he removed Paul Heyman from the writing team? Let's see, Paul writes SmackDown in the summer of '02 and makes it the hottest wrestling show in town. He gets over Brock Lesnar huge, and elevates Edge and Rey Misterio to the next level. And we're supposed to believe Vince would fire him, just like that? Come on, that just doesn't make sense! Ashton? How lame do you think we are?

And this year alone, Vince is throwing out all the stops. Lita cheats on Matt with Edge, and then Matt gets fired. Here's a guy who did nothing wrong, was a model employee, was over with the fans, and could work like a demon. And you and me, Mr. and Mrs. Shit-for-Brains, are supposed to honestly believe WWE would be so short-sighted and callous as to FIRE him. That way, he could get signed by TNA as the hottest free agent in years, and re-form the Hardy Boyz at the same time the New Age Outlaws and Dudleys reunite. Hey, I wasn't born yesterday. Come on, people!

Even Brock Lesnar and the NFL were in on this joke. Brock expected us all to believe he would quit his seven-figure job to go play for the NFL, despite not ever playing football in years. The Minnesota Vikings, also in on the joke, put Brock on the squad and even threw him in some pre-season games just to keep the joke rolling. You jokesters, you!

Any day now, Ashton Kutcher is going to come out and reveal that the past 4 years of WWE have all been a sick joke.

And that whole ECW thing. You know, One Night Stand? It goes and does a great buyrate, tears down the house, and you guys do NOTHING with the success? I don't care how retarded a person is, NO ONE is that incompetent to not follow up and make money off ECW. Only someone trying to PUNK someone would be so obviously dumb!

Then WWE starts paying Jim Cornette to train all these young guys. They then hire them and bring them to Raw, get this, YEARS before they are ready! Not only that, they take their OVW gimmicks, which were over huge, and change them! The Heart Breakers became the Heart Throbs, Damaja became a Basham, and in the purest example of stupidity, they take a master promo guy like Matt Morgan and make him STUTTER. And La Resistance, the guys who were so green they dropped my head on the end of a table and almost f*cking killed me?? They don't have woods deep enough to grow people stupid enough to think up these lame-ass gimmicks. That's a dead give-away! And we all believed it was true, even after WCW not only went out of business for mistakes just as stupid, but a whole book was written on it too!

And this past week, they tease a return of Bret Hart to Montreal. They play his music and everything. The crowd went apesh*t! And then, after all that, he doesn’t come. Not only that, but he never WILL come. The guy had a stroke and thus cannot handle the stress of live television angles, let alone promos. And they cried wolf in front of a SOLD OUT arena. Had it not been for the fact that it was all for Punk’d, I’d think it was totally stupid. But instead, I thought it was GENIUS!!

Ah man, well it all makes sense now, doesn't it? I was REALLY scared, thinking WWE had lost their minds. From 2001 to 2005, they took the biggest wrestling company in the world and nearly squandered it, all as a JOKE to you and me. They were four tough years to be a wrestling fan, but hey, it was worth it in the end. It will make for a great episode of Punk'd.

Guys, we're on to you! I don't know how long you plan on running this joke, but we're on to you. Show your face, Ashton. Show your face, Vince. Because me and all the wrestling fans refuse to believe a genius like you could be so f*cking stupid as to run WWE the way it has been run these past 4 years. Joke's over! Let's all go back to making sense again. Seriously, pull the plug on this thing before my paychecks stop coming.

So join me, wrestling fans, in a collective sigh of relief. WWE isn't that stupid after all. Whew!! I gotta hand it to them, they were pretty convincing. It takes balls to purposely piss millions of dollars down the drain like that, just for the sake of a good joke. I applaud them.

Congratulations. We've all been PUNK'D!!

Oops. I wasn't paying attention. Tell me again what is going on.

Don Corleone
08-28-2005, 12:12 PM
I don't know if this has been posted before - but it looks like Warrior is on another rant -

http://www.ultimatewarrior.com/DVDRumorResponse-07.27.05.htm

This times it's to do with a rumoured DVD that Vince is planning on putting out.

However I also came across this little gem on Warrior's site as well:


Hello warriors. Things are great for you, I know. Thanks for all the great email response concerning the WWE DVD project. The internet is filled with idiots, but few come around here. It’s really inspiring to read the thoughts of regular visitors here to Warrior Web. Many of you are making inquires about the OTHER DVD project. Next week I will be making an update to tell you more.

For now, this important update is for those who signed on for Warrior Workout.

It was my understanding until a few days ago that ALL START kits had been sent out. You all had great patience and I appreciate that you did. I was told, by Daniel, that he kept you informed all along the way; telling you about the problems he had with printers, etc. producing the quality Limited Edition Kit we wanted you all to possess. In case you did not know, Daniel was in charge of finding vendors to perform the fulfillment of these tasks. He was also in charge of fulfilling and shipping orders. I, of course, provided the content of the material. Some of you have gotten this START Kit. Because they were truly Limited Edition in a quantity of 100, I did not not even take one for myself initially -- leaving Number 1 for someone who really would cherish it. Recently, believing that all ordered START Kits had been shipped out, I ask to have one. I had seen the design and whatnots over the course of developing it, but I now wanted one for my own archive. At the same time I also asked Daniel to send me all digital materials on a CD. For obvious reasons, I wanted these in case I should have to know for myself the actually look and quality, or know where to go to get it reproduced. Oddly, after I ask for these, Daniel disappeared. And, as of this moment, is nowhere that I can find him. He’s returned none of my contact. I know some of you correspond with him. If you know anything, please let me know. In addition, some have begun to write and are concerned where their START Kits are!? This is all new news to me. Evidently, Daniel did not fulfill all the orders as he told me.

As for Daniel, I am not going to speculate right now about why the weird disappearance. What is clear is that I need to intervene and make things right as quickly as I can.

I need to ask a couple of favors. One, I need someone who has gotten their START Kit to please send it to me. I need a Kit and its exact materials to build one myself. Yes, I have the text files and such that ended up printed on the quality paper, but there are some aspects of the Kit I need to have in my possession for closer review to be able to replicate it exactly. Especially since the START Kit is Limited Edition, Collector’s quality. Any Warrior Workout member out there who is reading this and already has your Kit, please contact me immediately and let me know if you can help me out here. I will gladly return it asap. In addition, for the favor, I will throw in some complimentary live interaction with me. If you are a member who has not received your START Kit but know of some other member who has, please inform them of my request for help.

The other favor I need is to ask for an extra very short amount of time and additional patience to get START Kits to those of you who do not yet have yours.

Over the weekend, I will put together a group list of all Warrior Workout member e-mail contacts. I don’t have them, Daniel did. But I can access them through paypal. If you paid via check, please let me know. I will keep you informed each step of the way until I get this rectified. The START Kits are really great -- well, I know the content is! And I’ve heard that the quality is super, too. If I discover that it is less than my expected standard, I will make ii right in short order.

Expect to hear from me by first of next week.

Soul Reaper
08-28-2005, 12:36 PM
(Spike Dudley's article)

I hope it IS a joke...but it will be a pretty SICK one. 4 years of bollocks!

Dave's Bitch
08-28-2005, 05:11 PM
FUCKING HOGAN

AAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

rustoffa
08-28-2005, 08:13 PM
Originally posted by Soul Reaper
is that Abdullah?


That's Abdullah. He put on a benefit show for the recreation center behind his restaurant last night. This is in the ghetto. The pics of him and "Dawg" were from the main event. It was a bloodbath. In some of those pictures you see all the kids running around...it was insane. During the rest of the card, they would just swarm the faces before and after the matches....the security guys couldn't contain them. This wasn't the case during the main event. "Dawg" jumped Abby on his way to the ring, and they got real quiet....Dawg fucked Abby up pretty good and decided to take a breather via fucking with the crowd. This is when Abby pulled out a Malt liquor bottle from under the ring and broke it on the ringpost...the fucking glass flew twenty feet, landing on the floor in front of me. The kids were dead silent @ this point. My camera went dead....it got worse. Abby beat that guy with the ring bell so hard I thought the dude was DEAD. I was standing like 5 feet away. Let me tell you, nothing parts a sea of cameras like that dude coming at ya with a comatosed victim in hand. He charged towards us with that dude by the hair and threw him so fucking hard across this table...unbelievable. He came over and picked the fucker up by the hair....there was a puddle of blood the size of a manhole cover where he landed.

UNFUCKINGBELIEVABLE.

Viva The Butcher!
:)

Big Troubles
08-28-2005, 08:26 PM
why is it that when a recently released WWE star has somethin' to say it's always "they were wrong to let me go" article. I liked Spike Dudley. I liked Bubba and DVon too. but there is only so much room for wrestlers on a card. Did Spike actually think he was going to get a run at the title? Did the Dudley's want a 15th title run?

If Vince cuts you, there is a reason. maybe its not one we see, or one the wrestler see's. But its there.

newsflash to Spike: You were a great bump taker. Not giver. You can only sell yourself for so long as an underdog. Move on. There is 70 more days of collecting WWE paychecks. Prob 20 more years of cashing merchandise checks from them too. Look toward the future and stop fucking whining.

Big Troubles
08-29-2005, 06:28 PM
Here's another fucking sad case WWE released wrestler...Billy "Mr Ass" Gunn. Or as he's called now 'Kip James'...

Surprisingly he doesn't call Trish Stratus a "slut" or "bitch" in this interview. (previously he called her a slut and bitch for not thanking him years ago for introducing her to Vince. Yup. he's a bitter little bitch) he does put down HHH though. yes Billy, it's everyone elses fault you never made World champion. You should be thankful Vince pushed your sorry overrated ass for 13 years instead of cutting you after being "Rock-a-Billy". :rolleyes:

http://www.pwinsider.com/ViewArticle.asp?id=12694&p=1

Big Troubles
08-29-2005, 06:32 PM
Also a good read with Nora Greenwald aka Molly Holly. Man I really love this women. She is a good example of what a woman's wrestler should be. I hated that whole "fat ass" gimmick or story they gave her.

Voice of Wrestling interview with Molly: http://www.pwinsider.com/ViewArticle.asp?id=12693&p=1

Mr Badguy
08-29-2005, 07:10 PM
Originally posted by Big Troubles
Here's another fucking sad case WWE released wrestler...Billy "Mr Ass" Gunn. Or as he's called now 'Kip James'

Yeah, I saw that on the "No surrender" PPV.

That guy has had a bunch of shit names but that could be the worst.

Big Troubles
08-29-2005, 07:48 PM
Originally posted by Mr Badguy
Yeah, I saw that on the "No surrender" PPV.

That guy has had a bunch of shit names but that could be the worst.

The best part is "Kip" is his real middle name. :D

at least the other names were fake. lol

never did like him. I think I just hate it when a wrestler makes a ton of cash. Say's nothing but great things about Vince and Company, then when he's sacked, talks nothin' but shit. two faced, whinning crybabies. Tom Zenk is the WORST for that. (or at least he was) I met him several years ago in Northern Ontario in the 80's and he did nothing but complain about the business and the fans the entire time I knew him. He was a great guy when he wasn't talkin' shit though. Funny as hell.

Big Troubles
08-29-2005, 07:51 PM
after posting that last post, it occured to me that quite a few of us actual know, or at least met wrestlers at one time or another. I bet we could all make a very cool roster of talent! :)

I just read that Big Van Vader signed with WWE for a legends deal. Very cool. Id rather see him sign a full time wrestling deal though. Man he kicked ass. C'mon Vince, one more run with the man they call Vader!

Dave's Bitch
08-29-2005, 08:54 PM
ya i read that,so what exactly is a legend contract???

ALinChainz
08-29-2005, 09:55 PM
How about the top Lita is wearing tonight?

DAMN!

rustoffa
08-29-2005, 10:00 PM
Originally posted by ALinChainz
How about the top Lita is wearing tonight?

DAMN!


Yep. JR just described the Edge/Hardy streetfight as "legalized mayhem".

Is mayhem illegal?
:D

ALinChainz
08-29-2005, 10:08 PM
lol

No one asks ..."may we mayhem?"

ben halen
08-29-2005, 10:19 PM
Originally posted by rustoffa
Yep. JR just described the Edge/Hardy streetfight as "legalized mayhem".

Is mayhem illegal?
:D

A buddy at work got me back into watching Raw and on Tuesdays we laugh at our favorite "JRisms".
"Legalized mayhem" is definitely topping my list so far tonight.

Anonymous
08-30-2005, 12:45 AM
Has Cena lost the title yet? Has he? Has he? Please, PLEASE tell me he lost the fuckin' title!!!

Cheers! :bottle:

Anonymous
08-30-2005, 12:46 AM
I HATE Cena... :D

Cheers! :bottle:

bueno bob
08-30-2005, 12:59 AM
I can't say that I particularly care for him, either.

I took all of his CDs while I was at Target and hid them in the lower cabinet in the Houseware department.

Anonymous
08-30-2005, 01:04 AM
Shit, I thought Kurt Angle was gonna wrestle Cena today. Only at Unforgiven, huh? A GRATE day for Cena to lose his title it'll be. And then... THEN... when and IF Kurt Angle gets the belt - IhopesoIhopeso...

"Time to play the game!" Mwahahahaha!!!!!!!! POW! HHH World Champion for the 11th time! Bitch! Exclamation marks! Lots of 'em!

Cheers! :bottle:

bueno bob
08-30-2005, 01:08 AM
Before it's over, HHH will have held world championships 350,873,498 times.

By default, though, it will have meant that he'd additionally LOST world championships 350,873,499 times.

:D

Anonymous
08-30-2005, 01:14 AM
Originally posted by bueno bob
By default, though, it will have meant that he'd additionally LOST world championships 350,873,499 times.

:D

...
.....

THAT was totally uncalled for... :mad:



:rofl:

Cheers! :bottle:

Big Troubles
08-30-2005, 08:52 AM
Originally posted by Imapus Sylicker


"Time to play the game!" Mwahahahaha!!!!!!!! POW! HHH World Champion for the 11th time! Bitch! Exclamation marks! Lots of 'em!

Cheers! :bottle:

actually it looks like it's going to be HHH and Flair battling it out for awhile. (Im pretty sure that's who the mysterious attacker was tonight)

Id like to see Angle kick Cenas ass though. Then bring in Brock. :D

Anonymous
08-30-2005, 10:25 AM
HHH's going at it with Ric Flair? Grate stuff! You know, just yesterday I was thinking how grate it'd be to see both of 'em pissed off at each other. 'Course, it's sad to see such a grate friendship "end", but...

Actually, I think I should stop watching Wrestling. When the VERY FIRST thing you think when you wake up is "Today's the day Cena loses his title for Kurt Angle!" you just KNOW that something is very, very wrong.

Cheers! :bottle:

Soul Reaper
08-30-2005, 10:52 AM
Originally posted by ben halen
A buddy at work got me back into watching Raw and on Tuesdays we laugh at our favorite "JRisms".
"Legalized mayhem" is definitely topping my list so far tonight.

"He aggressively dropped him"

Mr Badguy
08-30-2005, 02:04 PM
It`s about time Angle got back into the world title picture.

He`s got to be one of the best heels ever.

The kind you love to hate.

Way better than HHH or JBL.

Soul Reaper
08-30-2005, 02:14 PM
it's true...it's true

but that 'guttersluts' storyine sucked!

zeronumber
08-30-2005, 09:17 PM
Angle hasn't been champion since what...wrestlemania 19?
I would like him to become champ.

But hell...
I was really hoping jericho would win the title. They jobbed him the Ic belt...like 100 times...yet he's lucky to have 1 world title match per year?

scottydabodi
08-30-2005, 09:18 PM
Dude, all I know is that I saw Flair job to "The MasterLock" last night... fucking PATHETIC.

zeronumber
08-30-2005, 09:21 PM
At least flair jobs though.

He's not a prick like Michaels who says he helps put over youngsters, when usually, all fueds end up with michaels on top...right...

Anonymous
08-30-2005, 10:48 PM
Originally posted by Mr Badguy
It`s about time Angle got back into the world title picture.

He`s got to be one of the best heels ever.

The kind you love to hate.

Way better than HHH or JBL.

Hey, now... let's not overreact. Sure, Kurt Angle fookin' rules, and I'm the first to say it...

But JBL IS A WRESTLING GOD! Besides, he ended illegal Mexican immigration in the US. Alone. Chasing all illegal Mexicans down to the border, mic in hand.

And HHH, well... there is NO better heel. Never was. Neve will be. Except maybe for Ric Flair, of course... :D

Cheers! :bottle:

Anonymous
08-30-2005, 10:55 PM
Originally posted by zeronumber
Angle hasn't been champion since what...wrestlemania 19?
I would like him to become champ.

But hell...
I was really hoping jericho would win the title. They jobbed him the Ic belt...like 100 times...yet he's lucky to have 1 world title match per year?

You're right there... Jericho deserved to have won a couple more titles. The man was a grate wrestler. But I suspect he didn't win because he was just about to leave... I hope not forever, but it doesn't seem good.

Cheers! :bottle:

monkeythe
08-30-2005, 11:44 PM
A bit of Kurt Angle history that seems to be forgotten. After his title loss at WM 19, he had experimental neck procedures to avoid surgery. He was gone for a few months then regained the title shortly after he came back. He held the title for several months until losing to Brick Lesnar in the Iron Man Match. By the time WM 20 occurred, he was again #1 contender & lost becuase he had complications from the neck injury. If ou remember, he was the GM and tossed off the platform by Big Show as a way to get him off TV. When he came back, he wasn't up to his usual standards (remember him almost losing to Puder in the TE shoot). Over the past few months, he has proven that his body can handle the bumps & give the great matches necessary to be the top man again and this is why he is back to his monster heel persona again

Full Bug
08-31-2005, 07:20 AM
Originally posted by Big Troubles
why is it that when a recently released WWE star has somethin' to say it's always "they were wrong to let me go" article. I liked Spike Dudley. I liked Bubba and DVon too. but there is only so much room for wrestlers on a card. Did Spike actually think he was going to get a run at the title? Did the Dudley's want a 15th title run?

If Vince cuts you, there is a reason. maybe its not one we see, or one the wrestler see's. But its there.

newsflash to Spike: You were a great bump taker. Not giver. You can only sell yourself for so long as an underdog. Move on. There is 70 more days of collecting WWE paychecks. Prob 20 more years of cashing merchandise checks from them too. Look toward the future and stop fucking whining.
Dude, that wasnt really Spike in that columm, the author just wanted to see if anyone would believe it was him, guess it worked.....
That said, I still agree with 95% of that columm....

Full Bug
08-31-2005, 07:24 AM
Originally posted by zeronumber
At least flair jobs though.

He's not a prick like Michaels who says he helps put over youngsters, when usually, all fueds end up with michaels on top...right...
Bullshit, HBK is still young enough and still has the goods where he doesnt need to job to anyone.....
Christ, he jobbed to Hogan, isnt that enough?
Years ago he wouldnt job to ANYONE, he has improved.....
Now, if we could just get HHH to job every week.....

Big Troubles
08-31-2005, 07:33 AM
Originally posted by Full Bug
Dude, that wasnt really Spike in that columm, the author just wanted to see if anyone would believe it was him, guess it worked.....
That said, I still agree with 95% of that columm....


Dag Nammit! :cool:

I still hate it when these wrestlers bitch. I mean, this was their dream. They lived it. They were given the ball on the biggest stage. they dropped it in most cases and were let go after YEARS of having oppurtunities. I like reading interviews from the wrestlers that take the high road. They know their time was up, but are hopeful they will get another chance down the road. Ivory, Palumbo, Morgan and Molly.

Ever read HTM's site? Holy cripes, that guys a piece of work. lol

Big Troubles
08-31-2005, 07:35 AM
Originally posted by Full Bug
Bullshit, HBK is still young enough and still has the goods where he doesnt need to job to anyone.....
Christ, he jobbed to Hogan, isnt that enough?
Years ago he wouldnt job to ANYONE, he has improved.....
Now, if we could just get HHH to job every week.....

I agree, Michaels should not be jobbing to anyone yet.(even Hogan for that matter) The young guys are not credible enough to job to either. I cringed when a beaten down Flair submitted to the "MasterLock" Monday night. That was tough to see. Masters is SO green still.

VonHalen
08-31-2005, 04:27 PM
i see a michaels / flair match in the making- i dont think it will be the first time for these two but i see it happening

zeronumber
08-31-2005, 04:49 PM
Originally posted by Full Bug
Bullshit, HBK is still young enough and still has the goods where he doesnt need to job to anyone.....
Christ, he jobbed to Hogan, isnt that enough?
Years ago he wouldnt job to ANYONE, he has improved.....
Now, if we could just get HHH to job every week.....
I ask you who's stating the bullshit.

First off, HBK young? The guy is 40 years old. He's 15 years senior that of younger jobbers. And guess what, when he was there age, he didn't job either.

He constantly would forfiet titles left and right so he wouldn't have to defend them against people he didn't want others to think were "better than him"

He also goes on the record of not willing to job unless he's guarrented a rematch in which he wins.

and 90% of his jobs, are rigged to look like he got screwed over.

As for jobbing to hogan...So what? Everybody jobs to hogan. That's like a fucking rule in professional wrestling that is written in fucking stone. Hell, when he found out he was suppose to job to hogan, he botched up the match to make it look like a mockery, and refused to do an unforgiven rematch because he didn't want to job to hogan twice.

As for triple H...Triple H jobs a lot, in fact, He jobbed more times in the last 2 years to put others over, than Hbk ever has in his entire carrer.

Hell, over the last year or so he jobbed to Chris Beniot, Batista, Randy Orton, Shelton Benjamin, and...hmm...what was his name again...oh yeah, SHAWN MICHAELS!!!

And please note, that triple H CLEANLY jobbed to all of these people.

He tapped out to chris beniot's crippler cross face, and he layed down for the 3 count for batista, not once, but twice.

And triple H, always willing to pull off the task of winning matches in scripted screw job fashion to other wrestlers(cough, shawn michaels), to wrestlers with big enough ego's that won't allow them to lay down and lose a match when they're scripted to do so.

I have way more respect for HHH, than shawn michaels.

And last but not least....Let's not forget the fact, that if it wasn't for triple H, Shawn michaels would have never made a comeback. Granted, shawn help boost HHH carrer with dx, but, let's face it, HHH made himself known as a ruthless champion, and heel on multiple occasions, and helped boost Michaels comback, by jobbing to him and helping him become a champion, as well as on and off matches.

Don't ever compare jobbing of Michaels to HHH. Michaels has nothing on HHH.

zeronumber
08-31-2005, 04:56 PM
Originally posted by Big Troubles
I agree, Michaels should not be jobbing to anyone yet.(even Hogan for that matter) The young guys are not credible enough to job to either. I cringed when a beaten down Flair submitted to the "MasterLock" Monday night. That was tough to see. Masters is SO green still.

Yet? are you kidding me? Hogan and michaels have been in the spotlight in main events, each for more than 15 years. Hell, hulkamania took off before I was even born!!!

Michaels and Hogan do nothing but put and keep others down so that they can bask in the spotlight.

Where as flair for the last 30 years has also put over superstars.

Hell, Flair was jobbing when he was 40, so why not michaels?

Flair jobbed to up and comers like "Flying Brian Pillman" and one Hulk hogan post the wwf release.

Flair continues to job, and put others over so that they look good and boost their carrers and still entertains fans.

Michaels is a credible name, either if he wins matches or not, he should be passing the torch, not holding on to it.

It's the same crap that happened in wcw that helped it to fail, mostly because it was filled with main eventers past their prime who put down the real talent.

Big Troubles
08-31-2005, 08:41 PM
Originally posted by zeronumber
Yet? are you kidding me? Hogan and michaels have been in the spotlight in main events, each for more than 15 years. Hell, hulkamania took off before I was even born!!!

Michaels and Hogan do nothing but put and keep others down so that they can bask in the spotlight.

Where as flair for the last 30 years has also put over superstars.

Hell, Flair was jobbing when he was 40, so why not michaels?

Flair jobbed to up and comers like "Flying Brian Pillman" and one Hulk hogan post the wwf release.

Flair continues to job, and put others over so that they look good and boost their carrers and still entertains fans.

Michaels is a credible name, either if he wins matches or not, he should be passing the torch, not holding on to it.

It's the same crap that happened in wcw that helped it to fail, mostly because it was filled with main eventers past their prime who put down the real talent.

Ok first off, it's not up to Michaels if he jobs or not. Im pretty sure all the "jobbing" that happens in the ring is left up to the boss to call.

"Hogan and michaels have been in the spotlight in main events, each for more than 15 years. Hell, hulkamania took off before I was even born!!!"

Exactly! So for the last, say 20 plus years, Vince has made his company what it is by making difficult decisions like who wins and who loses. Michaels is still quite active on the roster, and I think RIGHT NOW, would be a horrible time to have him "job" to people like Rob Conway, Chris Masters, John Parisi, Tajiri, Viscera or even Hogan. Michaels is full time, hot commodity, that has a proven track record of putting asses in seats with the type of matches he puts on. Entertaining clinics at the house shows and on live tv, his quarter hour ratings dont lie. He's on fire. Always was. So why, after losing to Hogan at SS, would Vince have him job to anyone on the roster that's not a hot commodity? What sense would that make? None of those guys are reay for a huge singles push. Masters barely knows where he is in the ring. seriously, the guy is embarassing himself at this stage of the game. The following names I list are people that could use the rub from a Michaels "job".

Edge
Matt Hardy
Chris Benoit


Thats pretty much it. Everyone else should be grateful to be in the ring with a general like Shawn.

Big Troubles
08-31-2005, 08:46 PM
"It's the same crap that happened in wcw that helped it to fail, mostly because it was filled with main eventers past their prime who put down the real talent."

again, no. In WcW the main eventers and some mid carders were signed to big money contracts with strict creative control. Buff Bagwell was apparently making $600,000 guaranteed a year, with creative control.... That's one person. You do the math.

That was the problem with WcW. Too many Chiefs, not enuff injuns! :D

monkeythe
08-31-2005, 09:47 PM
You can't job if you don't lose the belt in the ring. Shawn has the distinction of vacating the I-C, tag team, & world titles when he didn't feel like jobbing. And as far as his jobbing to Hogan, he reverse sandbagged the match by extremely overselling every move Hogan made and then the next night he acted like a little whuny bitch by his mocking of Hogan's superior skills. Since late 95, the only jobs HBK have made have been to HHH, Angle (he got the rematch win), Sid (he got rematch win), Austin & Hogan. It is a known fact that he tried to pull his political BS on Austin before WM 14 but UT put the Kibosh on that and he pulled out of WM 13 when he was due to drop the belt back to Bret claiming that he lost his smile.

As far as WCW failing goes, you should read the Death of WCW book. Buff Bagwell & creative control didn't kill that company. Paying Lanny Poffo a six figure salary for a few years when he never wrestled for them, paying Gene Simmons in the 7 figures to appear on Nitro & have the Demon wrestle, paying in the 7 figures for Master P to bring in the No Limit Soldiers, placing full page ads in the USA today for events after they have occurred, going to Australia & having to reimburse for seats that the equipment takes up (turning a very profitable tour into a big loss) - these are the real reason why WCW went out of business

Big Troubles
08-31-2005, 10:11 PM
Originally posted by monkeythe
You can't job if you don't lose the belt in the ring. Shawn has the distinction of vacating the I-C, tag team, & world titles when he didn't feel like jobbing.

Yes, I agree with that. But clearly we are talking about the here and now. Michaels isn't refusing to job to anyone. Sure he put up a stink about losing to Hogan at SS, but really this is comparing shit to ice cream here. Right now, who do you think Michaels SHOULD job to? What, right now, would be a good business move to have Shawn jobbing to? maybe Angle, but there are other faces for Angle to have jobbed out.

Im not saying that Shawn is the poster boy for the WWF. Im not saying he used to be either. But really, the company right now cant afford to have the top star loses cleanly to Rob fuckin' Conway! ;)

Big Troubles
08-31-2005, 10:18 PM
Bagwell and his overflated paychecks with bizarre creative control clauses was just an example of what was wrong with WcW. I read the Death of WcW. Very good read. very close to, if not THE complete and accurate tale of that company. There was so much bullshit there, it was amazing they stayed afloat as long as they did. But giving the example of Buff Bagwell's contract was a good illustration of; 'if this guy made that much, and had that much say in his character, Can you imagine what Hogan or Bret or Nash or Hall or Luger or DDMe or.... so and so...How much power, money and influence they had over the booker?' Crazy indeed. I think Vince is doing (for the most part) whats best for the long haul of the company. But no doubt there have been glaring mistakes. Masters making Flair submit is a mistake. I dont care how much "damage" Flair was supposed to have endured before the full nelson. Its ridiculous.

zeronumber
08-31-2005, 10:40 PM
Originally posted by Big Troubles
Ok first off, it's not up to Michaels if he jobs or not. Im pretty sure all the "jobbing" that happens in the ring is left up to the boss to call.

Actually, in some ways it's up to him. In the grand scheme of backstage polotics, high name superstars are always threatening to quit or leave unless they have they're way, so if they are scheduled to lose to somebody, a lot of times they'll want to make it look like they got screwed over.

Hogan did it all the time. Everytime he was to win a match, somebody had to lay down after the leg drop. and if he was to lose, it was because somebody cheated him.

John cena does that now too. Even in non title matches, cena jobs cleanly to no one.


Exactly! So for the last, say 20 plus years, Vince has made his company what it is by making difficult decisions like who wins and who loses. Michaels is still quite active on the roster, and I think RIGHT NOW, would be a horrible time to have him "job" to people like Rob Conway, Chris Masters, John Parisi, Tajiri, Viscera or even Hogan. Michaels is full time, hot commodity, that has a proven track record of putting asses in seats with the type of matches he puts on.

I agree that shawn michaels fill seats, but let me remind you of the time period of 1998 - 2003, the wwe overcame both ECW and WCW, and became bigger than it ever did, without shawn michaels. The wwe doesn't need shawn michaels anymore. And shawn doesn' need to win matches anymore either. Everybody knows shawn michaels and his catalog of awesome matches. If he losses or wins, he's loved by all, that's why it's time to step down.

Face it, Conway and Masters are the future of wrestling. 10 years from now, they'll be in the spotlight. 10 years from now, michaels will have 10 new rods and hooks in his back, and sipping down ensure.


Entertaining clinics at the house shows and on live tv, his quarter hour ratings dont lie. He's on fire. Always was. So why, after losing to Hogan at SS, would Vince have him job to anyone on the roster that's not a hot commodity? What sense would that make? None of those guys are reay for a huge singles push. Masters barely knows where he is in the ring. seriously, the guy is embarassing himself at this stage of the game. The following names I list are people that could use the rub from a Michaels "job".

Edge
Matt Hardy
Chris Benoit


Ok, first off, chris beniot doesn't need to get a job, when he's a main eventer himself. And the track record shows that Michaels refused to job cleanly to chris beniot...not once, but Twice!!! in singles matches.

Edge fuded with shawn for a few months, and after all of the fuding, what happended? Shawn was on top and moved on.

Matt hardy is a lost cause. The only thing that would save him is if he would go to tna. No real job will push him past mid card status. Where as tna's main event status is equivalent to the wwe's mid card.


Thats pretty much it. Everyone else should be grateful to be in the ring with a general like Shawn.

Grateful...fine, but at the same time, shawn doesn't do anybody any favors. When was the last time he helped the lower card wrestlers to go to the top? 1998, when he helped push Steve austin?


Yes, I agree with that. But clearly we are talking about the here and now. Michaels isn't refusing to job to anyone. Sure he put up a stink about losing to Hogan at SS, but really this is comparing shit to ice cream here. Right now, who do you think Michaels SHOULD job to? What, right now, would be a good business move to have Shawn jobbing to? maybe Angle, but there are other faces for Angle to have jobbed out

Him jobbing to angle and vice versa wouldn't mean dick shit for either of them. They are both established names, and a match like that would just insure that they please fans.

If Hbk were to job to chris masters, than that would be something, because that would give chris masters a good push.


Bagwell and his overflated paychecks with bizarre creative control clauses was just an example of what was wrong with WcW. I read the Death of WcW. Very good read. very close to, if not THE complete and accurate tale of that company. There was so much bullshit there, it was amazing they stayed afloat as long as they did. But giving the example of Buff Bagwell's contract was a good illustration of; 'if this guy made that much, and had that much say in his character, Can you imagine what Hogan or Bret or Nash or Hall or Luger or DDMe or.... so and so...How much power, money and influence they had over the booker?' Crazy indeed. I think Vince is doing (for the most part) whats best for the long haul of the company. But no doubt there have been glaring mistakes. Masters making Flair submit is a mistake. I dont care how much "damage" Flair was supposed to have endured before the full nelson. Its ridiculous.

WCW ultimately failed mostly because it was full of main eventers that were paid way too much money, put on crappy matches, and ultimately screwed over young, up and coming talent.

Hell, Eddie Guerrero, Chris Beniot, chris jericho, and rey mysterio were all well overlooked by a rosters that were filled with ego maniacs that hogged the spotlight and could bearly work regular matches.

Plus they had horrible writters such as Vince russo.
Hell, after 98', wcw became a floating joke, espeisally when you consider the World title changed hands about 30 times in 2 years...

But that's the same problem that the wwe is doing now. Right now, all the old folkies, diva contestants, and facesless indy nobodies make up all of smackdown! and Raw times, and the jobbers, and younger talent is held back to velocity and heat...granted if they're not fired to pay for hogan's rediclous price for a few matches, or return of fired egomaniacs like brock leasner and the Rock.

Take into consideration that over 80% of the wwe's main eventers are all over the age of 35...

Which is much like WCW back in 96'.

Anonymous
08-31-2005, 11:44 PM
Originally posted by zeronumber
I ask you who's stating the bullshit.

First off, HBK young? The guy is 40 years old. He's 15 years senior that of younger jobbers. And guess what, when he was there age, he didn't job either.

He constantly would forfiet titles left and right so he wouldn't have to defend them against people he didn't want others to think were "better than him"

He also goes on the record of not willing to job unless he's guarrented a rematch in which he wins.

and 90% of his jobs, are rigged to look like he got screwed over.

As for jobbing to hogan...So what? Everybody jobs to hogan. That's like a fucking rule in professional wrestling that is written in fucking stone. Hell, when he found out he was suppose to job to hogan, he botched up the match to make it look like a mockery, and refused to do an unforgiven rematch because he didn't want to job to hogan twice.

As for triple H...Triple H jobs a lot, in fact, He jobbed more times in the last 2 years to put others over, than Hbk ever has in his entire carrer.

Hell, over the last year or so he jobbed to Chris Beniot, Batista, Randy Orton, Shelton Benjamin, and...hmm...what was his name again...oh yeah, SHAWN MICHAELS!!!

And please note, that triple H CLEANLY jobbed to all of these people.

He tapped out to chris beniot's crippler cross face, and he layed down for the 3 count for batista, not once, but twice.

And triple H, always willing to pull off the task of winning matches in scripted screw job fashion to other wrestlers(cough, shawn michaels), to wrestlers with big enough ego's that won't allow them to lay down and lose a match when they're scripted to do so.

I have way more respect for HHH, than shawn michaels.

And last but not least....Let's not forget the fact, that if it wasn't for triple H, Shawn michaels would have never made a comeback. Granted, shawn help boost HHH carrer with dx, but, let's face it, HHH made himself known as a ruthless champion, and heel on multiple occasions, and helped boost Michaels comback, by jobbing to him and helping him become a champion, as well as on and off matches.

Don't ever compare jobbing of Michaels to HHH. Michaels has nothing on HHH.

Post of the year regarding any WWE related topic. Couldn't have said it better myself. 5 stars to you, my brother!

Cheers! :bottle:

Anonymous
09-01-2005, 12:06 AM
One thing that really bugs me about WWE is that ALL the Diva matches are as long as it takes for Benoit to win a US title. What gives?

And where's Lita? Trapped in a ridiculous soap opera that should've ended already. Kane was good. Matt Hardy should NOT have been brought back to repeat what Kane did. Christy Hemme going to Smackdown! is RIDICULOUS! Am I the only one bothered by this? Why, WHY do they make Cena's and Master's soap operas last indefinitely and end a perfectly good one like Christy feuding with Victoria?

Fuck this... WWE's becoming boring. Kill Cena and Masters. That'll make it a lot better. And Rob Conway too. That gay shit doesn't help anyone.

No, I'm not speaking figuratively.

Cheers! :bottle:

Big Troubles
09-01-2005, 10:13 AM
Originally posted by Imapus Sylicker


Fuck this... WWE's becoming boring. Kill Cena and Masters. That'll make it a lot better. And Rob Conway too. That gay shit doesn't help anyone.


right. so why would Shawn "Icon" Michaels job to either of them?

answer: he shouldn't, and wont. Its not logical booking. Michaels is preparing for either tag main eventing or singles main eventing to keep attendance up at house shows, wrestling Cena and Angle in 3 wats (and jobbing to one of them), teaming with Flair against Masters and Carlito and going over, (obviously) and apparently wrestling against Flair himself.

so why on Earth would McMahon have Shawn lose cleanly to say Rob Conway on LIVE tv before hand?

;)

Big Troubles
09-01-2005, 10:17 AM
Originally posted by zeronumber
Actually, in some ways it's up to him. In the grand scheme of backstage polotics, high name superstars are always threatening to quit or leave unless they have they're way, so if they are scheduled to lose to somebody, a lot of times they'll want to make it look like they got screwed over.



Ok, so let me get this straight. You are the booker. You would have Shawn lose cleanly to Conway, Carlito, Simon Dean, Rosey, Hurricane, Tajiri, Chris Masters, Vis, Val Venis, Steve Richards, Cena etc.... Then put him on the house show circuit and expect him to "turn it up a notch" to bring the fans in as usual, then bring him back to tv and have job some more? What you would have a is a VERY talented veteran walking from WWE to TNA in no time at all.

Im telling you, Michaels jobbing isnt horrible, its who he is jobbing to. And right now, there is nobody worthy of that.

I mentioned Chris Benoit earlier because he is truly one of my fav's and really needs another main event run. (as he is clearly NOT a main eventer anymore)

Vinnie Velvet
09-02-2005, 09:33 AM
Fuck this.

Nobody has put their body on the line the way Shawn has done in this business.

Fuck losers like Conway and Masters who are useless wrestlers with no ability in the ring or on the mike.

zeronumber
09-02-2005, 11:34 AM
Originally posted by Imapus Sylicker
One thing that really bugs me about WWE is that ALL the Diva matches are as long as it takes for Benoit to win a US title. What gives?

And where's Lita? Trapped in a ridiculous soap opera that should've ended already. Kane was good. Matt Hardy should NOT have been brought back to repeat what Kane did. Christy Hemme going to Smackdown! is RIDICULOUS! Am I the only one bothered by this? Why, WHY do they make Cena's and Master's soap operas last indefinitely and end a perfectly good one like Christy feuding with Victoria?[b]

It is pathetic. I think a better question is, where is tris stratus? Isn't she the champion? I haven't seen her in months. The womens title is a fucking joke, they should vacate the title until they get more talent that's actually willing to fight for it. And bring back another belt, like the Light heavyweight title for the upcomers.


Fuck this... WWE's becoming boring. Kill Cena and Masters. That'll make it a lot better. And Rob Conway too. That gay shit doesn't help anyone.

No, I'm not speaking figuratively.

Cheers! :bottle:

Meh, it's boring because a lot of the fueds go nowhere. Now if they had a fued that was interesting.


Originally posted by Big Troubles
Ok, so let me get this straight. You are the booker. You would have Shawn lose cleanly to Conway, Carlito, Simon Dean, Rosey, Hurricane, Tajiri, Chris Masters, Vis, Val Venis, Steve Richards, Cena etc.... Then put him on the house show circuit and expect him to "turn it up a notch" to bring the fans in as usual, then bring him back to tv and have job some more? What you would have a is a VERY talented veteran walking from WWE to TNA in no time at all.

Im telling you, Michaels jobbing isnt horrible, its who he is jobbing to. And right now, there is nobody worthy of that.

I mentioned Chris Benoit earlier because he is truly one of my fav's and really needs another main event run. (as he is clearly NOT a main eventer anymore)

I'm not saying job to everybody in the locker room, but hell, helping to give the upcomers an extra push will help the wwe further than shawn michaels keeping down the youngsters to lay down to his lame as "Sweet chin Music".

Properly used, chris masters could gain some momentum, and having a victory over shawn michaels will help boost his career. Now shawn could make Masters look good, and put on an entertaining match, which could lead masters to a singles championship in the future.

Because let's face it, chris masters 10 years from now will be main eventing. Shawn michaels won't.(At least, god willing, he'll have enough pride to know when to stop)


Originally posted by Vinnie Velvet [b]
Fuck this.

Nobody has put their body on the line the way Shawn has done in this business.

Fuck losers like Conway and Masters who are useless wrestlers with no ability in the ring or on the mike.

Oh please. Granted, michaels does some dangerous high flying moves, but lets face it, he hasn't put his life on the line as great as some of his fans make him out to be.

Mic foley, Terry Funk, New Jack, and tommy Dreamer all put their fucking lives on the line to entertain fans in some of the most gruesome, crazy ass matches of all time.

Michaels doesn't even hold a candle up to what those guys do to their bodies to put on a good show.

Big Troubles
09-02-2005, 11:49 AM
Originally posted by zeronumber

I'm not saying job to everybody in the locker room, but hell, helping to give the upcomers an extra push will help the wwe further than shawn michaels keeping down the youngsters to lay down to his lame as "Sweet chin Music".
Mic foley, Terry Funk, New Jack, and tommy Dreamer all put their fucking lives on the line to entertain fans in some of the most gruesome, crazy ass matches of all time.

Michaels doesn't even hold a candle up to what those guys do to their bodies to put on a good show.

Name one person Shawn could job to, and help boost their credibility at the same time? Masters? Flair did that already. Name another guy in the locker room who is ready to be pushed. Nobody.

You mentioned Dreamer (fat, out of shape, zero charisma-brawler only), Funk at age 60 plus, brawler only, Mick Foley, is a pure extremists, who forgot how to execute a simple arm drag is also out of shape- all because they pushed themselves too far. Who did Funk, Foley or Dreamer help put over? Who did they job to? What was the match they had, where they passed the torch?

Michaels doesn't hold a candle to them, you're right. He's too busy wrestling night after night still, entertaining fans, while the other three are writing kids books, pretending to retire to help tix sales and helping to train young wrestlers in OVW. ;)

Big Troubles
09-02-2005, 11:51 AM
In fact, Mick is on his way back and I for one am looking forward to Foley jobbing to Rob Conway, Vis and Masters when he arrives. ;)

trish Stratus is on her way back too. I guess she 'll be jobbing to Ashely, the new Diva?

zeronumber
09-02-2005, 12:14 PM
Originally posted by Big Troubles
In fact, Mick is on his way back and I for one am looking forward to Foley jobbing to Rob Conway, Vis and Masters when he arrives. ;)

trish Stratus is on her way back too. I guess she 'll be jobbing to Ashely, the new Diva?

Tris wouldn't job to christy hemme, so why would she job to avril...I mean..Ashely?

As for mic foley, he jobbed to upcomer Randy Orton, who went on to be the best IC champion in recent memory, World Champion, and Main eventer.

Of course, mic knew when it was time to pass the torch along.


Name one person Shawn could job to, and help boost their credibility at the same time? Masters? Flair did that already. Name another guy in the locker room who is ready to be pushed. Nobody

Carlito is ready for a bigger push, he's charasmatic, and he's a talented wrestler.

And that wasn't even a job, that was losing a tag match. Anyway, credible wrestlers losing to masters, will give masters some more credibility.

If masters destroys some ROH newbie on heat, does anybody care? no.(even though, most of the roh locker room could outshine michaels in a second)

But if Master beats michaels in a ppv match, that's a notch under masters belt.. A main event with shawn michaels will give masters more recognition as a wrestler.


You mentioned Dreamer (fat, out of shape, zero charisma-brawler only), Funk at age 60 plus, brawler only, Mick Foley, is a pure extremists, who forgot how to execute a simple arm drag is also out of shape- all because they pushed themselves too far. Who did Funk, Foley or Dreamer help put over? Who did they job to? What was the match they had, where they passed the torch?

Lol...you obviously never watched any ECW...

First off, Funk at 60, helped put ECW(then a faceless organization) on the fucking mat. What incredible matches did he have, try Deathmatches with mic foley, that involved barbed wire, tacs, eplosives, fires, etc. Who did he help put over, a then faceless wreslter named mic foley and helped to propel his carrer, which later would become a WWE champion.

Dreamer put over the likes of al Snow, Jericho, and Tazz back in the day.

Gee, I wonder what those newbies are doing now?


Michaels doesn't hold a candle to them, you're right. He's too busy wrestling night after night still, entertaining fans, while the other three are writing kids books, pretending to retire to help tix sales and helping to train young wrestlers in OVW.

Yeah, because the tourch has been passed already, and their time was done.

wrestling night after night? You mean, basically just showing up on raw, and doing the same routine again and again, having others job to him, trying to hold on to something he lost almost 8 years ago?

Please, there are wrestlers in the WWE who can out wrestle shawn michaels(Kurt Angle, Triple H, Chris Beniot, Eddie Guerrero, shelton Benjamin, Chris Jericho), Out job shawn michaels(Triple H, Funaki, val venis, Chris Beniot, Eddie Guerrero) And could go more extreme than shawn michaels in matches (John Bradshaw Layfield, Kurt Angle, Triple H, Undertaker, Kane,).

Shawn Michaels was innovative back in the day, but come on, nowadays wrestlers like rey mysterio, paul london, and chris jericho could all do what michaels once did, and better, and they go out every night making wrestlers like shawn michaels look better by laying down for them.

Hell, virtually every wrestler in TNA (Fallen Angel christopher daniels, aj styles, petey williams, Michael Shane, and chris sabin) can out wrestle, and out perform the "Show stopper" any day of the week.

Michaels was great...He still is...But eventually, he won't be able to wrestle anymore...and he won't be their in the future, he should pave the way for newbies like others paved the way for him to make him a tag team partner to the main event like Bret heart, sid vicious, kurt hening, and such.

Big Troubles
09-02-2005, 01:55 PM
Originally posted by zeronumber
Tris wouldn't job to christy hemme, so why would she job to avril...I mean..Ashely?

As for mic foley, he jobbed to upcomer Randy Orton, who went on to be the best IC champion in recent memory, World Champion, and Main eventer.

Of course, mic knew when it was time to pass the torch along.



Carlito is ready for a bigger push, he's charasmatic, and he's a talented wrestler.



Mick wasn't ready to pass any torch to anyone. He was, is crippled and had no choice. He "passed the torch" to Randy Orton, who later became the shortest reigning World Champ in recent history, proving he wasn't ready for it. He also failed as a ratings draw and failed to increase house show attendance.

Carlito IS ready for a monstrous push, and the WWE are giving it to him with a feud with Flair. I think its a great idea. But Masters needs to improve before he gets a good rub from someone of calibre from Michaels. Say, how come JBL or HHH doesn't job to Masters? Maybe Eddie, Benoit and Shelton can lose clean to Masters too! That would be great tv, no?

No.

I watched plenty of EcW. Well, enough to know that there is a HUGE diference in hardcore brawlers and wrestling entertainment. One sells moderatly and one sells itself built on character development, shock value and professional business sense. WWE now makes more in one month than EcW did in one year. Going by a purley business standpoint, the WWE/Vince (same guy that tells his wrestlers when to job and not to) seems to still be doing ok, while EcW is a once a year PPV at best. (which Vince still controls)

Funk, BACK IN THE DAY, was a great wrestler. Now, he is a beaten up old man who pimps himself to sell tickets. Dreamer works for Vince in OVW and Foley is selling books having trouble walking. Michaels has years to go. Masters still has time to improve before he can get a hot feud going with Shawn. Time will tell.

Big Troubles
09-02-2005, 01:59 PM
actually Dreamer had nothing to do wtih Jericho, Snow or Tazz getting a rub.

Snow got over with the "head" idea. Not Dreamer.

Tazz got over when he wrestled and LOST to Shane Douglas( or was that 2 Cold Scorps?) for the now defunct NWA/ECW title.

Jericho got over ALL BY HIMSELF. Lance Storm and Jericho were getting themselves over in SMW way before ECW. Then got himself over as a great heel in WcW. Then got himself over in WWE when he feuded with Rock, Austin,Angle and Edge. None of that had anything to do with Dreamer. Who by the way was saddled with a gimmick that consisted of him eating disgusting things and drinking urinal water! THAT still didn't get Dreamer over at all.

rustoffa
09-02-2005, 10:05 PM
Monkeythe nailed alot of it. Fuck, I forgot most of what I just read. Dirt sheets, Tito, whackadoos.....I gave up on that shit a long time ago.

Submitted for no reason:

Noone but Taz was ever "put over" in ECW, IMO....well there's Douglas and RVD....a compelling argument.

Terry Funk's intermittent participation in the ECW was exactly that.

The Funk/Sabu match made the FMW look at itself without fake bombs.

HBK is a legendary wrestler...gotta be way up there in any marks' handbook.

Jericho paid some motherfucking dues....even before the ECW.

The WCW's decline was all about Bischoff turning the asylum over to the patients while he enjoyed a lifestyle you probably wouldn't believe.

HHH, regardless of personal bias, will go down in heestory as a monster heel of the highest regard. If you've read Flair's book, he comments on the nature of making the other guy look good in that role (the monster heel). HHH did exactly that ALOT.

Wrestling needs to go to sleep for awhile. It fucking sucks. Cut a fucking promo, deliver 15 minutes worth of low-spot shit with a marketable gimmick, and boom.

Wait....that's how it works! Minus the low-spot part.

Don't forget A.J. Styles.

Big Troubles
09-02-2005, 10:12 PM
Originally posted by rustoffa
Monkeythe nailed alot of it. Fuck, I forgot most of what I just read. Dirt sheets, Tito, whackadoos.....I gave up on that shit a long time ago.

Submitted for no reason:

Noone but Taz was ever "put over" in ECW, IMO....well there's Douglas and RVD....a compelling argument.

Terry Funk's intermittent participation in the ECW was exactly that.

The Funk/Sabu match made the FMW look at itself without fake bombs.

HBK is a legendary wrestler...gotta be way up there in any marks' handbook.

Jericho paid some motherfucking dues....even before the ECW.

The WCW's decline was all about Bischoff turning the asylum over to the patients while he enjoyed a lifestyle you probably wouldn't believe.

HHH, regardless of personal bias, will go down in heestory as a monster heel of the highest regard. If you've read Flair's book, he comments on the nature of making the other guy look good in that role (the monster heel). HHH did exactly that ALOT.

Wrestling needs to go to sleep for awhile. It fucking sucks. Cut a fucking promo, deliver 15 minutes worth of low-spot shit with a marketable gimmick, and boom.

Wait....that's how it works! Minus the low-spot part.

Don't forget A.J. Styles.

Maybe the WWE can rewind itself and start over. :D Bring on the GobbleyGooker MotherFuckers!

rustoffa
09-02-2005, 10:43 PM
Originally posted by Big Troubles
Maybe the WWE can rewind itself and start over. :D Bring on the GobbleyGooker MotherFuckers!


YEAH!
:D

monkeythe
09-03-2005, 06:49 AM
Maybe I'm in the minority here, or it's just cool to use the Internet to bash stuff, but I feel the WWE product has been pretty good this year. With the exception of the GAB, all the PPV's ranged from good to great. When you compare it to a few years ago, the WWE has gotten better.
As an example, while it is generally agreed that the Mysterio-Guerrero -Dominick triangle is dumb, it has at least paid off in some really good matches. Compare that to the other stupid family feuds of the last few years that led to even worse matches than the events leading up to them (Bishoff stalks Linda, Steph stands up to her dad for pimping her out, Billy & Chuck want to get married, HHH does the deed to Katie Vick, Torrie Wilson becomes an orphan when Dawn Marie sexes Al Wilson out on their honeymoon)

Full Bug
09-03-2005, 07:42 AM
Originally posted by zeronumber
I ask you who's stating the bullshit.

First off, HBK young? The guy is 40 years old. He's 15 years senior that of younger jobbers. And guess what, when he was there age, he didn't job either.

He constantly would forfiet titles left and right so he wouldn't have to defend them against people he didn't want others to think were "better than him"

He also goes on the record of not willing to job unless he's guarrented a rematch in which he wins.

and 90% of his jobs, are rigged to look like he got screwed over.

As for jobbing to hogan...So what? Everybody jobs to hogan. That's like a fucking rule in professional wrestling that is written in fucking stone. Hell, when he found out he was suppose to job to hogan, he botched up the match to make it look like a mockery, and refused to do an unforgiven rematch because he didn't want to job to hogan twice.

As for triple H...Triple H jobs a lot, in fact, He jobbed more times in the last 2 years to put others over, than Hbk ever has in his entire carrer.

Hell, over the last year or so he jobbed to Chris Beniot, Batista, Randy Orton, Shelton Benjamin, and...hmm...what was his name again...oh yeah, SHAWN MICHAELS!!!

And please note, that triple H CLEANLY jobbed to all of these people.

He tapped out to chris beniot's crippler cross face, and he layed down for the 3 count for batista, not once, but twice.

And triple H, always willing to pull off the task of winning matches in scripted screw job fashion to other wrestlers(cough, shawn michaels), to wrestlers with big enough ego's that won't allow them to lay down and lose a match when they're scripted to do so.

I have way more respect for HHH, than shawn michaels.

And last but not least....Let's not forget the fact, that if it wasn't for triple H, Shawn michaels would have never made a comeback. Granted, shawn help boost HHH carrer with dx, but, let's face it, HHH made himself known as a ruthless champion, and heel on multiple occasions, and helped boost Michaels comback, by jobbing to him and helping him become a champion, as well as on and off matches.

Don't ever compare jobbing of Michaels to HHH. Michaels has nothing on HHH.
I dont agree, you still gonna say HHH jobs to everyone when he beats Flair for his world title wins?
Yeah, HBK is far from an angel, to be honest I'm not sure who is worse for political BS, HBK or HHH......

Full Bug
09-03-2005, 07:54 AM
Wow, great posts by zeronumber and BT the last few days.....

Big Troubles
09-03-2005, 08:27 AM
Originally posted by Full Bug
Wow, great posts by zeronumber and BT the last few days.....

yup, and there's only one way to end this.


HELL....IN THE CELL! :D

I do agree with monkeythe, the stories have been a bit better this year than prior, and the matches are generally more anticipated than usual. I think it was a shame to lose Kazarian, as he was a great asset to the cruisers...but I heard he was a prima-donna too so... (didn't want to get a haircut etc...?) In the same sense Im glad spanky and knoble are headed back. I like Kennedy and Palmar.
I wish I could get into the new LOD, but its just shit covered shit for me right now. MNM rock. Booker needs to be a heel with Christian. Rey needs to move on and away from Eddie. Brock NEEDS to come back. Pronto! & Taker needs to retire I think. We've seen all we're gonna see from the dead man.

bueno bob
09-03-2005, 12:42 PM
BRING BACK DOINK!

Dave's Bitch
09-03-2005, 01:37 PM
Originally posted by bueno bob
BRING BACK DOINK!

i second that

Doink was cool.in his matches where he would be wrestling then another doink would come out,geneous.

i liked the match with doink,dink,wink and pink vs jerry the king lawler and his lil kings.classic stuff

Full Bug
09-03-2005, 01:48 PM
Originally posted by bueno bob
BRING BACK DOINK!
If your talking the original Doink, then yeah, maybe, other wise forget it, before he or whoever played him brought out Dink it was cool sort of.....

Mr Badguy
09-03-2005, 01:49 PM
Originally posted by bueno bob
BRING BACK DOINK!

Great heel, shit babyface.

Wasn`t there a couple of guys who were Doink?

monkeythe
09-03-2005, 01:53 PM
Yes. One of them was Viscera (Survivor Series 93)

Big Troubles
09-03-2005, 03:10 PM
Originally posted by monkeythe
Yes. One of them was Viscera (Survivor Series 93)

Im positive the original was Matt Bourne aka Big Josh. After that, shit... Take yer pick of doinks. For sure Demolition Smash/Repo Man/Golf Guy/Krusher Krushev was a Doink too.

monkeythe
09-03-2005, 05:23 PM
Accordind to Obsesses with wrestling it goes like this:
Matt Bourne (original & best)- played him till he became a face (Sept 93)
Steve Keirn (Skinner) - 2nd Doink at WM 9
Steve Lombardi (Brooklyn Brawler) - from 9/93 till before Royal Rumle 94
Ray Liachelli - from RR 94 till end of WWE run end of 95. Somewhere in here jobber Dusty Wolfe also played Doink.

Also playing him in one off matches were Chris Jericho & Nick Dinsmore (Eugene). I don't know who played him at WM 17.

The gimmick has been used by many people on the indy scence.

As far as my Viscera comment goes, at SS Team Doink featured Men on a mission and the bushwackers dressed as doink

monkeythe
09-03-2005, 05:27 PM
VIscera

monkeythe
09-03-2005, 05:32 PM
If you thought that picture was bad, this is how they ended the PPV