WWE Thread

[monkeythe]

It could have been worse though, it could have been Xanta Claus

[monkeythe]

Although nothing was worse than this Survivor Series moment

[Big Troubles]

Originally posted by monkeythe
Accordind to Obsesses with wrestling it goes like this:
Matt Bourne (original & best)- played him till he became a face (Sept 93)
Steve Keirn (Skinner) - 2nd Doink at WM 9
Steve Lombardi (Brooklyn Brawler) - from 9/93 till before Royal Rumle 94
Ray Liachelli - from RR 94 till end of WWE run end of 95. Somewhere in here jobber Dusty Wolfe also played Doink.

Also playing him in one off matches were Chris Jericho & Nick Dinsmore (Eugene). I don't know who played him at WM 17.

The gimmick has been used by many people on the indy scence.

As far as my Viscera comment goes, at SS Team Doink featured Men on a mission and the bushwackers dressed as doink

you forgot Barry Dorsaw(sp?) from demolition. One of, if not THE best tag team the WWF ever had. :D Ok, bring on the debate.

[Big Troubles]

Ahhhhh... Here comes the Ax, here comes the Smasher....

[monkeythe]

Can't debate you on them being one of the best in WWF history (although I still view them as Road Warrior ripoffs). The best ever though would make for a good debate. If I had to pick the best ever in WWF (and their WWF work alone) I'd take the Bulldogs prior to Dynamite Kid's back injury. Who knows how long their reign would have been if not for the injury. Too bad that once Dynamite came back they saddled them with Matilda. They were revolutionary and their influence can still be seen to this day in Chris Benoit.

Although if they fought today, I'd have to give the Demos the advantage as they'd probably dump Dynamite out of his wheelchair into the Bulldog's grave (Theres nowhere to hide, the Demos will get you)

[Big Troubles]

you know Id pay good money to see that match. :D

I agree though. Past/Present best worker: Dynamite Kid for sure.

runner ups?

Bret Hart
Ted DiBiase
Rick Martel
Chris Benoit
Eddie Guerrero

[Big Troubles]

that's right. I said Rick Martel. :D "Don't be staring at your stereo fool".

Quick, what song? (Jeopardy music is playing and Im going to count the minutes until you reply) :D

[Big Troubles]

Originally posted by Big Troubles
that's right. I said Rick Martel. :D "Don't be staring at your stereo fool".

Quick, what song? (Jeopardy music is playing and Im going to count the minutes until you reply) :D


:eek: tick tock tick tock.... ;)

[Big Troubles]

No Jester I said "tock" not "cock". Down boy. :D

[Big Troubles]

what are we at 7 mins? U should be ashamed.

[monkeythe]

Two fools a minute

[Big Troubles]

:D 15 mins though. You left the room for a second right? :D

[monkeythe]

I walked my dog. If you get a receipt of when I opened your PM, you'd see that the answer came almost immediately after my opening it. As far as MArtel goes, he was in the first match I remember seeing when he & Garea lost the tag titles & I've been a wrestling fan since that match.

[Big Troubles]

wow. Very cool. what was that like 81 or so? I started watching roughly around the same time. My dad took me to see AllStar Wrestling. It was in one of our high schools in town, that and all star boxing. He took me, got a great seat as he was friends with security and we stood all night long and watched guys like George 'CryBaby' Cannon, Gille 'The Fish' Poisson, Abby, Rick Martel, Stan Hansen and a very young Hulk Hogan. Very cool. Smoke filled arenas indeed. I was hooked at the age of 9 when I started reading his wrestling mags. Well, they were Boxing/Wrestling mags. Big red letters.

[zeronumber]

Originally posted by Big Troubles
yup, and there's only one way to end this.


HELL....IN THE CELL! :D

It's on like Donkey Kong MOFO!!!:p

Meh, anybody else unhappy with the "Unbreakable" card?

Raven vs. Rhino will give a good ecw vibe...
But I'm sort of dissapointed with the Jeff hardy vs. Bobby Rhode match...

That's an impact main event at best....

And once again, I bet the x-division match will steal the show for...Oh, I dunno... the 11th time in a row.

[Big Troubles]

Originally posted by zeronumber
It's on like Donkey Kong MOFO!!!:p

Meh, anybody else unhappy with the "Unbreakable" card?

Raven vs. Rhino will give a good ecw vibe...
But I'm sort of dissapointed with the Jeff hardy vs. Bobby Rhode match...

That's an impact main event at best....

And once again, I bet the x-division match will steal the show for...Oh, I dunno... the 11th time in a row.


The X Division is something TNA needs to build the company around. make it the World title instead of the "world title" and they will make themselves more "identifiable" than the tired WWE.

and Im just disappointed with Jeff Hardy period.

[zeronumber]

Meh, I have mixed feelings about jeff hardy. In ring matches...he sucks...he swaggers, and he botches up moves left and right. In hardcore matches, or gimmick fights...he's awesome.

he had a damn good ladder match with jeff and awesome hardcore matches with abyss.

Meh...if it was an inring match with his brother matt hardy...than that would be something cool.

[Big Troubles]

i think Matt would wipe the floor with him. Well, who would you invest in? ;) There is no weight class for the X title correct? I would still focus that belt as the ONE title to reach for. ala world. Everything should revolve around the X title. That would showcase cruisers more, and make the middleweights to heavyweights step it up a notch in the ring.

BTW Raven and Jeff Jarrett are done for me. They do absolutely nothing to raise my ire. I think their best days are gone. I mean that in the best way. Jarrett is not much with good writing and Raven, all he has left are really good promos and some good brawls.

[monkeythe]

Matt & Jeff fought on PPV (Vengeamce 2001) and the match sucked big time

[zeronumber]

Originally posted by monkeythe
Matt & Jeff fought on PPV (Vengeamce 2001) and the match sucked big time

Yeah, I remember that, but in lita's book, she explained the reason why it sucked was because there was no scripts, and no practice before hands.

I'm sure if they scripted something, it'd be worth watching.

[monkeythe]

That's no excuse. They knew for several weeks the match was going to happen & you would think that since they are brothers and have been wrestling together their whole lives that they would have been prepared for this moment

[Mr Badguy]

Hey, how about Garrison Cade coming back with that "Deliverance" style redneck shit gimmick.

Cade and Murdoch?

Sounds like another goofy tag team noone will care about.

Animal/Heidenreich will put them over.

[Big Troubles]

Raw sucked ass. Serious dirty ass last night. Shelton jobs to Conway and Masters' is in the Main Event! Yeah, that's how you reel them in Vince. :rolleyes: The cruisers are the only guys I like watching now. They are more realistic and more fun to watch. I dont want sappy promos and interviews. I dont want slutty divas trying in vain to remember their next "line". And now I hear Vince wants the cruisers to tone down the high impact moves? Jesus Christ, why not just tell your audience to tune in to TNA?

[rustoffa]

Originally posted by Big Troubles
why not just tell your audience to tune in to TNA?


What channel is TNA on?
:(

[Big Troubles]

it'll be on Spike Tv this fall. :) Saturday nights at 11pm, then repeated Monday nights at 12am.

[rustoffa]

Originally posted by Big Troubles
it'll be on Spike Tv this fall. :) Saturday nights at 11pm, then repeated Monday nights at 12am.


:D

[Soul Reaper]

Originally posted by Big Troubles
And now I hear Vince wants the cruisers to tone down the high impact moves?

What is his thinking?!

I'd rather watch The tweenies

[Big Troubles]

I know, its bullshit. Either Vince should stick to the cartoonie type wrestling or get more fucking real. I choose real. Blood and violence. This type sells to every age group. Fuck the PTC. Fuck the sponsors. Fuck the stockholders. Want the ratings to rise? STOP SCRITPING THE FUCKING SHOWS!

Let some of the fists connect. let the cruisers fly around and do their shit. Thats what the fans want. That is what the wrestlers want.

[Big Troubles]

Let me just say, I watched Smackdown (entirely) last night and the main matches were boring as shit. The only match I liked was Mr Kennedy......Kennedy vs Paul London.

[Soul Reaper]

Originally posted by Big Troubles
I know, its bullshit. Either Vince should stick to the cartoonie type wrestling or get more fucking real. I choose real. Blood and violence. This type sells to every age group. Fuck the PTC. Fuck the sponsors. Fuck the stockholders. Want the ratings to rise? STOP SCRITPING THE FUCKING SHOWS!

Let some of the fists connect. let the cruisers fly around and do their shit. Thats what the fans want. That is what the wrestlers want.

THey'd probably end up just standing there...staring at each other and saying "The champ is here" "No, the champ is HERE!"

I think you get the picture

[Tom Zinc]

Originally posted by Big Troubles
that's right. I said Rick Martel. :D "Don't be staring at your stereo fool".

Quick, what song? (Jeopardy music is playing and Im going to count the minutes until you reply) :D

Martel? What a mark that guy was. I worked with Martel. We signed separate contracts. I signed in Montreal. Rick would never let me see his copy of the contract. I said I didn't want to sign a separate contract - I was pushing his buttons to guage his reaction. He told me "Vince needs you to sign the contract. Vince is very big on loyalty." I think Rick thought I was a mark for the business, a young guy with "stars in his eyes" who was just happy to be in the ring. Veterans think they can work "naive", "dumb", young wrestlers - but I always regarded wrestling as a business. I was in it for the money. My understanding was that Rick and I were signing as equal partners. And a "partnership" to me, means 50 - 50. Do you think, honestly, I would go along with him taking more money than me - or did they just forget to tell me? I assumed that, in any negotiations, it would be me and Rick against the promoter. But Rick had worked for Vince before and Vince went along with the idea of Rick taking a larger share of the contract money. He didn't tell me any details of the negotiations and I never got to meet or speak with McMahon himself. In fact Rick blocked me everytime I said I wanted to speak to Vince. So I'd say, yes, he deceived me purposely. When I finally got to know the details, I left it alone for a while so that Rick could dig himself into his own lie. As far as I'm concerned, I was totally honest with him. And it was he who broke the trust between us. It was ultimately Rick, with his greed, who split the Can-Am Connection.

:mad:

[Mr Badguy]

Okay.

[Soul Reaper]

Unsurpisingly, there's no wrestling info on Tom Zinc....but there IS Tom Zenk....http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/profiles/t/tom-zenk.html....stupid alias btw....

[Full Bug]

Interesting tale....
I believe him too, after he left Wrestling Zenk had the best wrestling views I think ever, I miss his columms he did years ago, I wis someone would track him down and ask him why he stopping writing them.....
My felling is someone in WWE found out about them and threatened to sue his ass off.....

[rustoffa]

Originally posted by Full Bug
Interesting tale....
I believe him too, after he left Wrestling Zenk had the best wrestling views I think ever, I miss his columms he did years ago, I wis someone would track him down and ask him why he stopping writing them.....
My felling is someone in WWE found out about them and threatened to sue his ass off.....


Honky Tonk Man writes some LOL shit. Talk about bitter!
:D

[zeronumber]

I wonder who batista will face next for the world heavyweight title?
I hope it's christian.

[Roth Renegade]

RICK FLAIR IS GONNA GET THE INTERCONTINENTAL BELT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Big Troubles]

Originally posted by rustoffa
Honky Tonk Man writes some LOL shit. Talk about bitter!
:D

yeah bitter is right. He's getting quite the belly too!

Im guessing Vince would like to induct him into HOF soon as well, so he doesn't get too fat like the real Elivs did. :D

[Big Troubles]

Originally posted by Tom Zinc
Martel? What a mark that guy was. I worked with Martel. We signed separate contracts. I signed in Montreal. Rick would never let me see his copy of the contract.
:mad:

Zinc? I see Vince sent legal papers to you too eh? ;)

Look, why on Earth would Rick feel like he'd have to show Tom any part of his contract? 50-50 partnership? I dont think they were legally married partners. Just partners in the performing arts. Its fictional really. Something Tom forgot when he took his hissy fit in 87 and was relegated to being the Z Man, for a few more yawning years. Rick Martel could wrestle matches blindfolded and Zenk sold a kick to the stomach like he was hit with a lead pipe. There is a reason why Vince signed Rick to a longer, more lucrative deal. I spoke to Tom Zenk many times when he travelled thru town and everytime he had a few beers he belched out the exact same story on how Vince screwed him. Sorry Tom, but you were nothing more than a guy playing the part of "Robert Gibson"... and playing it poorly.

[Big Troubles]

Originally posted by Roth Renegade
RICK FLAIR IS GONNA GET THE INTERCONTINENTAL BELT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

wanna bet?:D

[zeronumber]

If flair won the ic belt, I would stop watching raw, because it's offical, the raw writers haven't the slightest way to script anything properly to help promote the new talent.

Would I like flair to be able to say he did it all? sure.
But, shit, he's a 16 time world heavyweight champion...he's an established name, he doesn't need to put down carlito to get attention.

He does that already by grabbing guys nuts...funny though.

[Soul Reaper]

Originally posted by Roth Renegade
RICK FLAIR IS GONNA GET THE INTERCONTINENTAL BELT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

wrestling is not real, idiot

[Anonymous]

Originally posted by Big Troubles
I dont want slutty divas trying in vain to remember their next "line".

Don't ever speak to me again.

...

MAYIASKHWHATTHEFUCKISWRONGWITHSLUTTYDIVAS????

I'm in larve with Christy Hemme. And it's REAL larve, not the kind you see in movies.

Cheers! :bottle:

[Anonymous]

Originally posted by Soul Reaper
wrestling is not real, idiot

Get outta here... who the hell d'you think you're fooling with that?

Now, soccer... that's a fake. Wrestling? Never.

Cheers! :bottle:

[Dave's Bitch]

Originally posted by Imapus Sylicker
Get outta here... who the hell d'you think you're fooling with that?

Now, soccer... that's a fake. Wrestling? Never.

Cheers! :bottle:

LMAO

[Full Bug]

Originally posted by Soul Reaper
wrestling is not real, idiot
Wow, thank god someone came around here and cleared that up.....

[Big Troubles]

Originally posted by Imapus Sylicker
Don't ever speak to me again.

...

MAYIASKHWHATTHEFUCKISWRONGWITHSLUTTYDIVAS????

I'm in larve with Christy Hemme. And it's REAL larve, not the kind you see in movies.

Cheers! :bottle:

IDONTWATCHMOVIESWITHLARVEINTHEM! :D

I like Divas as much as the next hetero, the trouble is, these pussies are hoggin' up some serious wrestling time. Time that these guys trained 5, 10 and 15 years to achieve. I LOVE womens wrestling. Trish, Victoria, Gail Kim, Molly Holly and Ivory. Id rather watch those divas in action.

[Big Troubles]

one more. for porns sake!

[Big Troubles]

and anotha!

[Big Troubles]

FAK that was huge! :D

[Big Troubles]

.

[zeronumber]

meh, never was much of a fan for nidia, but tits ok...

Anyway, is it me, or does heat and velocity kick both raw and smackdowns ass in terms of quality matches?

[Anonymous]

Ooooh yeah, that's what I'm talking about...

But come on, hogging serious wrestling time? They take up almost NO time, they should be given a little more space WRESTLING instead of fuckin' stupid soap operas.

What REALLY hogs serious wrestling time are guys like Masters, Cena and Hulk Hogan. All blah blah blah and no quality matches. ESPECIALLY Cena with his lame ass videos and promos. I hope he dies, Painfully.

And even though I always liked to watch 'em wrestle, I think it's about time Guerrero and Mysteryo drop the shit now that Guerrero finally had Mysteryo, beat and move on! The Smacdown! just before SummerSlam has just aired here in Portugal - we're one month behind - and it was complete shite! Granted, Eddie is a grate actor and his expressions and reactions to what Mysteryo was saying were hilarious - I especially liked the part where his eyebrow was twitching and the part he removed his jacket, ready to rumble, then remembered the wahtever-she-was there and started smiling at her in a VERY fake way - but it became boring after the first HALF AN HOUR! Damn! What was the point?

Can't WWE have ANOTHER show with all the soap opera bullshit?

Cheers! :bottle:

[Big Troubles]

Originally posted by Imapus Sylicker


Can't WWE have ANOTHER show with all the soap opera bullshit?

Cheers! :bottle:

They could, but they'd have to rename the show TNA Impact! ;)

Soap Opera stories, but more adult orientated would be fine with me. Personally, Id rather just see guys challenge each other to matches in hopes that they'd win themselves closer to getting title shots, but hey...some people like that "Dominique is MY baby" idea. :o

I said it before and I'll say it again. All they have to do, to increase serious interest and make their show more passable for reality is to have a small camera crew following them around from airport to airport, to car rental, to hotel to restaurant and tape arguments and challenges and small fights between wrestlers out of the arena. That way, when they get to the arena, there is no need to have the bullshit "backstage". All they need to do is air small clips of what happened on the road to explain the next match up. No more live to tape bullshit. Just edit what works. Even Masters would come off looking like a star.

BTW, from what I read TNA had a great PPV last night. WWE needs to pay attention.

[Anonymous]

Nah, sometimes we need these stupid, humorous, blown-entirely-out-of-proportions stories, like Eddie and Rey fighting over Dominick because Eddie couldn't beat Rey and he was willing to ruin his own son's life, uncovering the truth like that and mentally scarring the boy permanently - or until this story ends, then Dominick will "forget" all about it :D - just to get back at his rival. What we DON'T need is half hour sketches, no matter how good they are. Because it's NOT a soap opera, it's a WRESTLING show, fer Chrissakes!

I never saw anything from TNA. Do they have shows too? Or only PPV? And what's the names of the PPVs, so I can download them?

Cheers! :bottle:

[Big Troubles]

you can watch their syndicates on their site. http://tnawrestling.com/

aj styles, christopher daniels and elix skipper stand out for me.

http://www.tnawrestling.com/roster/index.html

[Soul Reaper]

Originally posted by Full Bug
Wow, thank god someone came around here and cleared that up.....

just doing my job...

[Vinnie Velvet]

October 3rd, RAW is back on the USA Network!!

Scheduled to be there are Triple H, Vince, Hogan, STONE COLD, Mick Foley, HBK and the rest of the RAW regulars.

Particulary, this show will pay tribute to the WWE champions of the past, hence Steve Austin, Foley, HHH and Hogan returning.

[Big Troubles]

3 hour show too. I imagine something will begin with Hulk Hogan and Stone Cold leading to Wrestlemania. The Biggest Star in the Biz' feud.
Foley will be shilling. HHH will be hogging mic time. Vince will come out to talk because he just cant resist putting himself over Heaven forbid letting someone with pure, raw, young talent- like Daniel Puder get any serious attention. Cena will "sing" another song, but hopefully without the WWE title, because by then I seriously hope Angle will be wearing it. Flair will be there to job to another talentless bum and HBK will be there because God told him to. But most importantly, the Main Event will have Kerwin White vs Shelton Bentheredidthat-jamin part 2!!! :)

Blah... I want some new shit to happen.

[Anonymous]

YES!!! YES!!! YES!!!!!

Our prayers have been answered ladies and gentlemen! It's about time, too!

Lookie what I found... :D (http://www.nwwl.com/)

Cheers! :bottle:

[Big Troubles]

lol

Finally I have a good excuse to beating off to wrestling. :D

[Anonymous]

FINALLY you have a good excuse? You mean you've ALWAYS jacked off while watching wrestling? :lol:

Disturbing thought... :rofl:

Cheers! :bottle:

[Big Troubles]

Impulsive. Repulsive. But very creative. :D

and dont forget on Oct 3rd "HHH will be hogging mic time." ;)

[Soul Reaper]

wonderful find! sublime is the other word that comes to mind

[Big Troubles]

anyone else liking the Murdoch & Cade team? I think they have a good chemistry. They remind me of the cowboy and non-cowboy team on TNA...what's their name? Oh yeah. America's Most Wanted.
Thank GOD Flair was given a win over that lug Masters. Even if it was by Dq. I see Chris Masters IS getting better with every match. I wonder if its the rub from the veterans like Michaels and Flair that are helping? WTF happened to Chavo? Jesus that's just dumb. Poor Shelty is stuck playing midcard guy who doesn't speak gimmick again. Rumor has it that Sean Waltman no showed TNA's PPV because he is a smidgen away from signing with WWE so he could return in time for Oct 3rd's big show on USA. HHH will be pissed having to share mic time. ;) And beautiful Trish. Yummy bum Stratus. Heel or face, just as long as she's on tv wrestling Victoria, two of the best and last of the real wrestling ladies left in WWE.

anyone know the bring up date for Cm Punk or Jamie Knoble's debut date? I read a dark match report that put Spanky and Kid Kash in a team just before the Velocity tapings. Teaming or wrestling each other- either way, that's gonna make great fuckin' tv.

[zeronumber]

Anybody even somewhat interested in the ppv this sunday? Seriously, unless Angle wins the belt, I might not even ask for the tape from my friend.

[Soul Reaper]

Originally posted by zeronumber
Anybody even somewhat interested in the ppv this sunday? Seriously, unless Angle wins the belt, I might not even ask for the tape from my friend.

meh...not even partially interested...

[Big Troubles]

fuck no. $40? I dont think so....

[zeronumber]

Those matches look like a raw main event match. And seriously, I only care to see if angle kicks the wangsta's ass to become a 5 time champ.

If it's a night were he just puts over cena...then fuck it, it's just a worthless ppv.

[monkeythe]

About that naked wrestling, it was inducted into wrestlecrap (which by the way is a very funny website dedicated to the worst in wrestling that is updated every Friday)

[zeronumber]

I wonder what they said about XPW then. Got a link?

[Big Troubles]

www.wrestlecrap.com

[Big Troubles]

ppv was shite, as suspected. Raw will air a few rematches Im sure. Tonight: Flair vs Carlito in a rematch for IC belt. Michaels vs Masters, possibly making that a tag match. Ugh... Kerwin vs Shelton.... Tonight will prove to the wrestling fan he/she should've saved their $40 and watched it for free. :)

[Soul Reaper]

i'm not getting my hopes for ANY WWE PPV anymore....geez

[Soul Reaper]

LMFAO!!!

LOL...look at this...http://www.wwe.com/superstars/raw/johncena/freestyles/

Proves that Cena's fans are all 13 year olds....

[Soul Reaper]

here are a few which stand out as completely suck-ass....

"John Cena is number one,
If Jericho wants it, he can come get some!
The Chain Gang has got Cena's back,
Watch out Jericho, Cena's coming to attack!

Chorus:
The Dr. of Thuganomics is in da house,
Y2J wears a big blouse,
Cena and the Chain Gang do what they do,
Cena's got one thing to say Jericho, F-U!

Verse 2:
The walls of Jericho won't make Cena tap,
The throwback will put Y2J on the map,
Jericho, your brain may be sharp as a knife,
But after Sunday it won't, word life!

Chorus:
The Dr. of Thuganomics is in da house,
Y2J wears a big blouse,
Cena and the Chain Gang do what they do,
Cena's got one thing to say Jericho, F-U!

Verse 3:
Carlito, you're not that cool,
Hanging out with Jericho, you're just a fool!
So an apple is your favorite fruit?
Well, take the wrath of John Cena's boot!

Chorus:
The Dr. of Thuganomics is in da house,
Y2J wears a big blouse,
Cena and the chain gang do what they do,
Cena's got one thing to say Jericho, F-U!

Verse 4
So Bischoff, Y2J's your man,
But Cena's the one with the plan,
So Jericho, don't hurt your knee,
Cena's gonna pin you, 1-2-3!

Chorus:
The Dr. of Thuganomics is in da house,
Y2J wears a big blouse,
Cena and the Chain Gang do what they do,
Cena's got one thing to say Jericho, F-U! – Tom"

Jericho wears a blouse??!!

Has this guy ever watched Jericho REALLY wrestle....watch ECW, idiot...

[Soul Reaper]

"The champ is here
Doin what he does best
Rappin’ and punchin’ and you know the rest
The Chain Gang leader
And the ultimate survivor
His tunes are cool on their own
He don't need no synthesizer

The Chain Gang's in the house
And don't you forget it
Our guys are strong
And we never quit
The freestylin’ dudes
And the wrestlin’ freaks
If you mess with us
You'll be hurt for weeks.

You gotta be tough
‘Cause this world is hard
Stick with your friends
And be on your guard
So always remember
The Chain Gang code
And in times of trouble
Switch to wrestling mode – Robert Carter"

Rappin' and punchin' are the ONLY things he does...

[Soul Reaper]

"Cena’s the best ever
Backing down to quit, never!
He's a fighter, a survivor
He's truly on fire!
Y2-Cheap can't stand a chance
You’re gonna pull the F-U, you can tell by that stance!
John, you’re so great
That’s commin’ from Cait!
Your work is amazing and so is your body
I am just gonna come out and say, you’re a total hottie!
Your rap is wonderful, wresling OUTSTANDING
Y2J sounds pretty demanding!
He can't win that title no matter what
Eric Bishoff is just a stupid mutt!!
So thats my Rhyme! I know you love it!
John you can go be the champ while the haters have a fit! – Caitlin/C-Dizzle!"

[Soul Reaper]

"Cena's got the rhyme
And he's got the flow.
He ain’t just big
He's the whole damn show.
He's the champ and can’t be seen
All the others’ eyes glow an envious green.
Any one else can’t even grab wrestling by the handles
When they step into the ring they get souped like Campbell’s.
Then there’s Chris Jericho
Don't waste your money, he’s a 2-bit show.
Even the Mexicools, riding on their Juan Deere
It dont matter cuz, THE CHAMP IS HERE! – Mike Kirby"

[Soul Reaper]

With names like Dizzle, you know you can't take them seriously....

[Soul Reaper]

"Yo, Cena's the best at this game
He puts Jericho to shame
Cuz he’s so lame
It don't matter what we be talkin'
If it's wrestlin' or rappin'
The day that Jericho beats Cena... will neva happen!
So just get that outa your mind
Jericho, it's Cena's album you best find
Cuz at SummerSlam, You gonna need to hear one of Cena's jams
Study the album and study it good
Cuz you gonna need it when Cena takes you to the hood! - Chrissy"

Is she serious?!

Stupid marks...

[Dave's Bitch]

GO NAITCH

NEW I.C CHAMPION


WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[bueno bob]

Sorry, but...I think it's a stupid idea to have Flair as I-C champ...even taken from a "serious" point of view, Flair's time to step out of the ring permanently has long since come and gone, making him a champion of anything at this point is relatively stupid IMO...

Anybody have any of the other results?

[Dave's Bitch]

Originally posted by bueno bob
Sorry, but...I think it's a stupid idea to have Flair as I-C champ...even taken from a "serious" point of view, Flair's time to step out of the ring permanently has long since come and gone, making him a champion of anything at this point is relatively stupid IMO...

Anybody have any of the other results?

i dont think its stupid that he is a champ.i think its good that they are making it so the I.C title actualy MEENS something now rather that just being something that they give to shitty new "talent" to make them a name,Carlito WAS NOT a champion,i cant even think of any moves he actualy does

[bueno bob]

Never mind, I just went to wwe.com and saw all the results...I guess the Angle/Cena feud ain't over then...

[Fairwrning]

Originally posted by bueno bob
Sorry, but...I think it's a stupid idea to have Flair as I-C champ...even taken from a "serious" point of view, Flair's time to step out of the ring permanently has long since come and gone, making him a champion of anything at this point is relatively stupid IMO...

Anybody have any of the other results?

He'll give it right back tonight...saying he "partied" too much last night...Carlito wins on RAW...

[Dave's Bitch]

Originally posted by fairwrning
He'll give it right back tonight...saying he "partied" too much last night...Carlito wins on RAW...


carlito doesnt deserve the belt,he aint a great wrestler

[Fairwrning]

Didn't say he deserved it...but the wwe site is already hinting at the result..and face it..Flair just should't be wrestling..it's to the point of sad to see Flair try to perform in the ring

[Fairwrning]

Flair is actullay looking half impressive tonight..so long as he doesn't have a stroke...geez..

[rustoffa]

Originally posted by fairwrning
Flair is actullay looking half impressive tonight..so long as he doesn't have a stroke...geez..


When he finally quits, it'll be goodnight Irene. That type of abuse is fucking conditioned...once you quit it's the arthritis train. I'd be willing to bet he's all too aware....

[POJO_Risin]

Wait...Flair has the fucking IC Belt?

[Fairwrning]

yeah..and he won again last night....wonder how long they will let him have it..and who he will drop it to..

[Soul Reaper]

Originally posted by Dave's Bitch
carlito doesnt deserve the belt,he aint a great wrestler

he's shit alright....just like most of these newbies...

[Soul Reaper]

The only reason that Cena is still champion is because the stupid marks can't bear to see him without it....as you can see by those 'freestyle' lyrics above, they don't know a thing about wrestling....

[bueno bob]

See, my whole outlook is this - belts are swapping hands too fast and too frequently. I can skip watching WWE for a month or two, and by the time I turn back in, there's a whole new roster of champions on almost each belt.

If WWE were to go back to giving some REAL title reigns of any sort of reasonable length (6-10 month length), I think it'd help the storylines quite a lot. I'm certainly not talking a Hulk Hogan-ish 4 year stretch by any means, but...when the belts seem to be swapping owners every other week, it doesn't do a lot to add to the perceived value of said title(s)...it just makes it look like anybody can win it at any time, and the champions, while they should be viewed as the elite of the business, look like your average vagrant community renters...here today and gone tomorrow.

At this point, to me, Flair doesn't make a convincing I-C champion for two reasons:

1. A umpteen time world champion getting an I-C title? An umpteen time world champion, to my mind, would/should only be concerned with the world title, period.

2. His age. The only real reason to make him I-C champ is to have him put somebody over, as there's not a lot of room left for writing storylines around his character...unless he's recently convinced himself he's Hulk Hogan or Shawn Michaels and doesn't need to put new talent over. With Flair, I seriously doubt that's the case, and I'm sure he'll be happy as shit to put new talent over (and into an I-C reign position), but it's still a grey area and looks kinda fishy on paper.

My opinion only, of course...

[bueno bob]

Moreover, one of two things needs to happen for John Cena:

Either

01. He needs to drop the belt, as quickly as possible and get somebody remotely interesting/loved/hated in there, rather than someone who the majority of WWE fans over the age of 15 couldn't give a shit about, or

02. He needs to drop the whole fucking "Wigger" act and get a new angle, because it's fucking gay and makes WWE look stupid.

And that's all I have to say about that.

[Dave's Bitch]

the only reason flair is the chamo is to set up for Triple H's return so they can feud

[Dave's Bitch]

and we can have the same feud Triple H had with shawn,orton and batista again only this time with flair.

HHH will come out with a mic after beating up naitch the week before and say "Ric Flair and i were never best friend's".much like he did with shawn,orton and batista

[Vinnie Velvet]

Originally posted by Dave's Bitch
and we can have the same feud Triple H had with shawn,orton and batista again only this time with flair.

HHH will come out with a mic after beating up naitch the week before and say "Ric Flair and i were never best friend's".much like he did with shawn,orton and batista

Okay, I can see a HHH-Flair feud, but not over the IC Title.

[Dave's Bitch]

Originally posted by Vinnie Velvet
Okay, I can see a HHH-Flair feud, but not over the IC Title.

no the feud isnt over the I title.but he definately only has the belt to build up a feud with HHH

[Soul Reaper]

Originally posted by bueno bob
Moreover, one of two things needs to happen for John Cena:

Either

01. He needs to drop the belt, as quickly as possible and get somebody remotely interesting/loved/hated in there, rather than someone who the majority of WWE fans over the age of 15 couldn't give a shit about, or

02. He needs to drop the whole fucking "Wigger" act and get a new angle, because it's fucking gay and makes WWE look stupid.

And that's all I have to say about that.

sheesh....i never gave a shit about him....even when i was 14....show them ECW or UFC....then the kids will piss their pants....

[Big Troubles]

HHH will cost Flair the IC belt back to Carlito on the Oct 3rd edition of Raw. How's that?

[Big Troubles]

SCSA will stun Hogan too!

[Vinnie Velvet]

Originally posted by Big Troubles
SCSA will stun Hogan too!

That'd be interesting.

I'm thinking that it won't be like the HBK-Hogan matchup, where Micheals was clearly the heel.

I'm thinking more of a face vs face match between Hogan and Austin at Mania in '06.

[Big Troubles]

yup. Im banking on it. It will blow the gate revenues wide open.

[Dave's Bitch]

it takes ALOT to buld up a good face vs face match though

[Soul Reaper]

except not many of them ARE any good...

[bueno bob]

It's difficult to do. Even Ultimate Warrior, when he was at his height of popularity, gained enemies in the audience by his shoving matches with Hogan prior to their Wrestlemania meet.

Austin vs. Hogan...I'm not sure on who'd go over there, really...having Hogan take out Austin would be a really good way for Hogan to ride off into the sunset (thats IF he agrees to actually ride off permanently), and Austin's never going to be a full-timer anymore, so...there's not really anyone between the two of them who'd need to be put over, or could benefit by it, per se....

Damn. It'd be a PPV I'd probably order, just to see which way it goes. Who wants to pick a winner?

[Soul Reaper]

WWE will probably fuck it up with some shit storyline....

[bueno bob]

Originally posted by Soul Reaper
WWE will probably fuck it up with some shit storyline....

Man, I hope they don't. The very best angle to approach this with is that the two old lions just need to do it and establish the superiority, for that reason alone. And LEAVE IT ALONE. Fuck, have spots with them in the locker room drinking beer together before heading out to the ring. Have them head out to the ring together, even! That'd probably be a first, honestly...and it would be the most believable.

There's really no need to botch it up with a heel Austin turning on the face Hulkster, and Hulkamania running wild for the last time bullshit...

[Soul Reaper]

Now that would be cool....but you can't trust the WWE to do that!!!

[bueno bob]

Originally posted by Soul Reaper
Now that would be cool....

And now you know why Vince McMahon hasn't put me in charge of WWE creative control.... :)

[Soul Reaper]

because Vince is scared of Siths....

[bueno bob]

Originally posted by Soul Reaper
because Vince is scared of Siths....

Well, that's a good thing, really.

[bueno bob]

Hey, next time you go to a WWE event, Reap, make up a sign that says "VINCE FEARS SITH" and put my av under it!

Fuck, man, if it's televised, that'd be some bad ass shit... :)

[Soul Reaper]

It's a LARG idea....!!!!

But I don't really want to waste my money, as such....i might go one day.....once it's worth watching...

[Big Troubles]

Id pick Austin over Hogan cleanly. In fact Im willing to bet good money on it. Hoagn is marketable win or lose. Austin is marketable with a clean win record. Same category as the Rock.

[Dave's Bitch]

i heard something that hogan was gonna fight Cena and he wont win,thats the reason he beat Shawn.

is there any truth in that???

[Fairwrning]

Originally posted by Big Troubles
HHH will cost Flair the IC belt back to Carlito on the Oct 3rd edition of Raw. How's that?

I can see HHH coming back and needling Flair about winning the "junior" belt..

[Big Troubles]

Originally posted by Dave's Bitch
i heard something that hogan was gonna fight Cena and he wont win,thats the reason he beat Shawn.

is there any truth in that???

I heard the plan going into SummerSlam, back in spring, was to have Hogan put over Cena at the PPV. Either Hogan bulked at it, or Vince himself seen that this would not have been the best timing for either star. I dont see Cena lasting as a face. He's got no killer edge. he doesn't cut racey rap promo's in the ring and he tries way too hard to get crowd reactions. All of that is something Hogan already achieved without breaking a sweat. So I think Cena vs Hogan is/was premature at best. maybe in a few years. Maybe by next SummerSlam. I can see Rock working a program with Cena. In fact, Id like to see Brock Lesnar return and work a strong program with Cena.

Perhaps Randy Orton would like to continue his "legend killing" streak against the Hulkster whenever the next joint ppv is. S. Series? Royal Rumble? There is money left to be made from Hulk, whether ppl admit it or not and that's all Vince see's. Id do the same thing. Id make Hulk run the rookie gauntlet.

[Big Troubles]

I think Vince would like to utilize the Legends he's just recently signed to contracts, as to get as much money out of them as possible. Percy Pringle, Vader, Race, Orton and Piper. (which btw, Id rather see Piper manage oOn instead of pops, it just makes more sense.)



wrestlers who have horse-shoes in their ass:

Viscera
Val Venis
Rob Conway
Renee Dupres
Heart Throbs
Todd Grisham
John Parisi
Rosey
Tyson Tomko


if all these guys were canned tommorow, would anyone care?

[Soul Reaper]

Originally posted by Big Troubles
I heard the plan going into SummerSlam, back in spring, was to have Hogan put over Cena at the PPV. Either Hogan bulked at it, or Vince himself seen that this would not have been the best timing for either star. I dont see Cena lasting as a face. He's got no killer edge. he doesn't cut racey rap promo's in the ring and he tries way too hard to get crowd reactions. All of that is something Hogan already achieved without breaking a sweat. So I think Cena vs Hogan is/was premature at best. maybe in a few years. Maybe by next SummerSlam. I can see Rock working a program with Cena. In fact, Id like to see Brock Lesnar return and work a strong program with Cena.

Perhaps Randy Orton would like to continue his "legend killing" streak against the Hulkster whenever the next joint ppv is. S. Series? Royal Rumble? There is money left to be made from Hulk, whether ppl admit it or not and that's all Vince see's. Id do the same thing. Id make Hulk run the rookie gauntlet.

I hate to say this but....Cena was actually better as a heel....

[Dave's Bitch]

Originally posted by Soul Reaper
I hate to say this but....Cena was actually better as a heel....

indeed...

[Big Troubles]

Cena as a heel makes perfect sense. Case in point. You come to a red light. You look to your left and theres a "wigger" with his hat on sideways, singing to some NWA rap crap, wearing his bling bling. You know his undies are hanging out. You know his shoes aren't tied up and you know he calls his friends "dawgs". That's a GOOD guy? Fuck that! That is the guy Im most likely kicking the fucking shit out of. Cena is nothing more than a 12 year old with hyper-activity and Kool-aid sugar highs. He's not a WORLD's champion by any means. he's a fucking joke. An unfunny one.

Now get that belt off Cena and turn him quick....

[Full Bug]

Originally posted by Big Troubles
Id pick Austin over Hogan cleanly. In fact Im willing to bet good money on it. Hoagn is marketable win or lose. Austin is marketable with a clean win record. Same category as the Rock.
Like you would have bet good money on HBK beating Hogan at Summerslam? Your track record on predictions aint that good.....;) :D
I think its too early to predict who would win, they havent even set up the fued yet, although it should happen soon.....

[Full Bug]

Cena and Hogan would be a BAD match, the only reason Cena has had some OK matches up to this point is because his opponant carries him through the match, I hope Angle takes the belt off him, I would bet Cena would get it back fast though....

[Full Bug]

Originally posted by Big Troubles
Cena as a heel makes perfect sense. Case in point. You come to a red light. You look to your left and theres a "wigger" with his hat on sideways, singing to some NWA rap crap, wearing his bling bling. You know his undies are hanging out. You know his shoes aren't tied up and you know he calls his friends "dawgs". That's a GOOD guy? Fuck that! That is the guy Im most likely kicking the fucking shit out of. Cena is nothing more than a 12 year old with hyper-activity and Kool-aid sugar highs. He's not a WORLD's champion by any means. he's a fucking joke. An unfunny one.

Now get that belt off Cena and turn him quick....
Its too early to turn Cena heel, they should do it like they did with Randy Savage, have him hold the belt a year, then slowly build the heel turn, although these days long term story plans are rare indeed....

[Big Troubles]

Originally posted by Full Bug
Like you would have bet good money on HBK beating Hogan at Summerslam? Your track record on predictions aint that good.....;) :D
I think its too early to predict who would win, they havent even set up the fued yet, although it should happen soon.....


Now Im gonna bet good money that you're that wigger sitting next to me at the red light. :D You're right though, I predicted HBK over Hogan, only because I truly, still feel, he is the better of the two. I understand the logic of having Hulk get the W though.

But hey, lets remember back in, I believe June, when HBK said he needed a friend to watch his back against Haasan and Davairi I picked Hogan. Which I also stated at the time HBK and Hogan would fight at SS. So my predic's aren't too far off. :D


Ok here's a prediction. Jim Duggan is slated to return to USA networks on Oct 3rd. I say he will have an inpromtu match teaming with Slaughter and take the tag belts off Murdoch and Cade. :D


Ok, just kidding. But seriously. What is he doing there?????

[Big Troubles]

I bought the Ultimate Warrior DVD, just waiting for shipping. Same with Bret Hart and Jake Roberts. Released in Nov I believe. You picking those up?

[Full Bug]

"I predicted HBK over Hogan, only because I truly, still feel, he is the better of the two"
Well of course, that goes without saying, Hogan couldnt lace up HBK's boots....
Jim Duggan? God I hope not, I always hated that guy, he makes Hogan look like a ringmaster, as you can tell I generally hate the guys who couldnt wrestle their way out of a paper bag.....
Bobby Heenan had some great classic one liners about Hacksaw, I may try to find them, makes me laugh every time.....

[Soul Reaper]

Originally posted by Big Troubles
Now get that belt off Cena and turn him quick....

WWE won't do as the fans say.....

....hey, I remember Tazz saying once, "WWE is unpredictable"...maybe he forgot to add "...as pie" on the end....

[Full Bug]

Originally posted by Big Troubles
I bought the Ultimate Warrior DVD, just waiting for shipping. Same with Bret Hart and Jake Roberts. Released in Nov I believe. You picking those up?
I might....
The Bret Hart one for sure, I hate the Warrior, so I doubt that one, although the shoot thing he does might be interesting....
I read the match listing for the Snake one, and the matches mostly suck, they could have done WAY better for that DVD.....

[Big Troubles]

I didn't see match listings for either Bret or jake? where you read this? I bought UW for my kid. Thought it would be a good collection to have too.

[Big Troubles]

Originally posted by Soul Reaper
WWE won't do as the fans say.....

....hey, I remember Tazz saying once, "WWE is unpredictable"...maybe he forgot to add "...as pie" on the end....

well they are losing fans, so this "unpredictability" that the WWE tries to portray, better turn into reality real fucking soon or TNA will be stomping holes in them. Not to mention UFC.

Personaly, id like to see average people win world titles. because to me that signifies that if you try hard, and have a good match, regardless of your size (Paul London) you can win the big one! Can you imagine London winning a world title. The fans would go nuts. He would be the underdog for every match, and that says something when you are the champ.

[Soul Reaper]

Originally posted by Big Troubles
Personaly, id like to see average people win world titles. because to me that signifies that if you try hard, and have a good match, regardless of your size (Paul London) you can win the big one! Can you imagine London winning a world title. The fans would go nuts. He would be the underdog for every match, and that says something when you are the champ.

Remember what WWE said at ECW ONS,"ECW is full of fat, losers" and yet they can pull off better matches than those bodybuilders....

[Big Troubles]

I just read the match listing for Jake. You are right. sme matches were good. But they left alot out. there is a match out there somewhere of Hogan vs Jake from Madison Square Garden that was a 4 star. They also left off the Savage vs Jake feud which was unbelievable.

[Full Bug]

Interesting columm BT, read this one, agree, dissagree?
http://www.wrestlingobserver.com/wo/news/headlines/default.asp?aID=14303

[Full Bug]

Originally posted by Big Troubles
I just read the match listing for Jake. You are right. sme matches were good. But they left alot out. there is a match out there somewhere of Hogan vs Jake from Madison Square Garden that was a 4 star. They also left off the Savage vs Jake feud which was unbelievable.
Yeah, can you believe they left off the Jake/Savage fued? That was a great one, I remeber that Tuesday in Texas PPV where Jake DDT'd Savage like 3 times or something, and of course the snake chewing on Savage's arm, I heard an interview with Jake once where he said Savage didnt like it one bit, and the original segment of that was way longer, but was cut down for TV to about 3 minutes, great stuff, would love to see all that again, I hope they play it on WWE 24-7 one day, thats a great channel sometimes, they just had Savage beating Tito Santana for the IC belt back in the day, and Savage taking on Andre the Giant in Madison Square Gardens, Andre kicked out of the Big flying elbow, I thought Hogan was the only one to do that, him and the Warrior, was cool to see....As you can tell I am a big Savage fan.....

[bueno bob]

I miss Randy...the man just sweated "cool"...really wish he could have gotten over on Hogan just once!

[Big Troubles]

Originally posted by Full Bug
Interesting columm BT, read this one, agree, dissagree?
http://www.wrestlingobserver.com/wo/news/headlines/default.asp?aID=14303

good read. I like the idea of Matt Hardy running for wwe gold, but as a heel. He reminds me a lot of what Randy Savage was in his prime. Im surprised Vince hasn't connected their similarities to make a main eventer out of him yet.

[Big Troubles]

Originally posted by bueno bob
I miss Randy...the man just sweated "cool"...really wish he could have gotten over on Hogan just once!

got a few count outs and dq's out of him. He also put on one hell of a show against him at Wrestlemania 5. Good main event.

[Full Bug]

Originally posted by Big Troubles
got a few count outs and dq's out of him. He also put on one hell of a show against him at Wrestlemania 5. Good main event.
Dont remind me, went to see that one at the areana in Markham, long before the days of PPV's, was cheering Savage all the way and was pissed when Hogan kicked out of the flying elbow, still gives me nightmares, lol.....

[Dan]

Did someone say Stone Cold is back?

[Big Troubles]

he should be on the Oct 3rd edition of Raw on USA networks. (or TSN)

[Soul Reaper]

they had better put him in a good storyline....like in the Attitude era...THAT was good....

[Soul Reaper]

yeah, i liked Randy Savage....anyone heard his rap album?! LOL!

[bobgnote]

Douches. Psssst.

Look at the Chris Masters progression, with the SARGE thread, here.

Jest a suggest. OR, be ignorant shitheads!

[bueno bob]

Originally posted by Full Bug
Dont remind me, went to see that one at the areana in Markham, long before the days of PPV's, was cheering Savage all the way and was pissed when Hogan kicked out of the flying elbow, still gives me nightmares, lol.....

That was unspeakably gay. I remember...that WHOLE match, 20+ minutes worth, ALL Savage...and Hogan kicks out of the flying elbow, punches Randy two or three times, boot, legdrop, cover - OH SURE, Hogan won that! :rolleyes:

It was fucking retarded. Back then I was still young enough to be into the whole good guy/bad guy angle, and I was STILL thinking "What the fuck?!?!?".

I think it was right then and there that I realized that this whole WWF thing was rigged...lol

[Mr Badguy]

Originally posted by Soul Reaper
yeah, i liked Randy Savage....anyone heard his rap album?! LOL!

LOL!

Be a man, Hulk
I`m gonna kick you in tha ass and wash your mouth out with soap

[Dave's Bitch]

i watched hongans biography today,it was some funny stuff.

[bueno bob]

Originally posted by Mr Badguy
LOL!

Be a man, Hulk
I`m gonna kick you in tha ass and wash your mouth out with soap

LOL...I haven't heard that...

Seriously?

[Dan]

Originally posted by Big Troubles
he should be on the Oct 3rd edition of Raw on USA networks. (or TSN)

Sweet,maybe sky 1 over here.

[Big Troubles]

Originally posted by Dan
Sweet,maybe sky 1 over here.

what is the time or day delay for you? You get it Tues morning correct? So you use spoilers from the net?
what websites you frequent?

[Big Troubles]

My fav's are www.prowrestlingtorch.com www.liveaduiowrestling.com/wo and www.pwinsider.com

[rustoffa]

Oh no.....for the love of.....

Flair just mentioned the Horsemen right before hyping HHH's return.

Said something like, "now..there's only one."

Fuck....time to procure some pepto.

[Dan]

Originally posted by Big Troubles
what is the time or day delay for you? You get it Tues morning correct? So you use spoilers from the net?
what websites you frequent?

B.T,it will be on like Thursday or Friday night on Sky 1 in New Zealand.

[Big Troubles]

Ouch thats a long wait brother Dan. Frustrating or used to it I suppose. You get Smackdown, but its like on a week delay?

[Big Troubles]

Originally posted by rustoffa
Oh no.....for the love of.....

Flair just mentioned the Horsemen right before hyping HHH's return.

Said something like, "now..there's only one."

Fuck....time to procure some pepto.

quick set up for a Flair vs HHH feud. No explaination other than "Im the last one".... It'll be fun tv again anyways.

[Vinnie Velvet]

Anyone been following what's going on between the Ultimate Warrior and WWE???

As many know, the DVD "The Self Destruction of the Ultimate Warrior" has been released.

Apparently, Vince and Warrior were discussing details of a DVD on him months prior.

And there was some miscommunication going on and that according to Warrior, WWE had two versions of the DVD, one positive and one negative.

But what was released was the negative version.

Apparently the whole DVD, fellow wrestlers and including Vince and Bishoff trash Warrior and make fun of him.

I was shocked to see that they even had a OPEN invitation for Warrior to be on Byte This!

Not sure if he's responded.

[bueno bob]

Originally posted by Vinnie Velvet
Anyone been following what's going on between the Ultimate Warrior and WWE???

As many know, the DVD "The Self Destruction of the Ultimate Warrior" has been released.

Apparently, Vince and Warrior were discussing details of a DVD on him months prior.

And there was some miscommunication going on and that according to Warrior, WWE had two versions of the DVD, one positive and one negative.

But what was released was the negative version.

Apparently the whole DVD, fellow wrestlers and including Vince and Bishoff trash Warrior and make fun of him.

I was shocked to see that they even had a OPEN invitation for Warrior to be on Byte This!

Not sure if he's responded.

That's pretty fucked up, I think.

What "self-destruction"? The only real destruction of the Warrior was at the hands of WWF's writers who bogged him down with five or six feuds at once and didn't bother to resolve or focus on any of them. I doubt seriously Warrior "self-destructed", it was probably more of a case of Vince deciding that he'd lived out his usefulness and it was time to do something different...shocking, when has Vince EVER been guilty of doing that to somebody?? :rolleyes:

Granted, Warrior's gimmick didn't really leave a lot of room for expansion once he beat Hogan, but he was a very popular guy in his day and made the company a lot of money...since that's really all Vince cares about, you'd think they'd show his some respect.

[Soul Reaper]

Originally posted by bueno bob
LOL...I haven't heard that...

Seriously?

yeah....

http://www.machoman.com/

[Vinnie Velvet]

Originally posted by bueno bob
That's pretty fucked up, I think.

What "self-destruction"? The only real destruction of the Warrior was at the hands of WWF's writers who bogged him down with five or six feuds at once and didn't bother to resolve or focus on any of them. I doubt seriously Warrior "self-destructed", it was probably more of a case of Vince deciding that he'd lived out his usefulness and it was time to do something different...shocking, when has Vince EVER been guilty of doing that to somebody?? :rolleyes:

Granted, Warrior's gimmick didn't really leave a lot of room for expansion once he beat Hogan, but he was a very popular guy in his day and made the company a lot of money...since that's really all Vince cares about, you'd think they'd show his some respect.

You gotta read Warrior's story about the DVD thing at his website (but what a long read I must say: www.ultimatewarrior.com).

There, Warrior says that originally WWE wanted to interview him for the DVD and add commentary to matches and so forth. Its kinda confusing what happened---but basically, Warrior declined to be involved with the DVD project for reasons he states on his website.

So, instead of putting together a positive DVD showcasing Warrior's story and accomplishments, WWE went ahead anyway by releasing a DVD called "The Self Destruction of the Ultimate Warrior" as pretty much a slap in the face to the Warrior -- word has it that it also includes several wrestlers (Batista) mocking Warrior's antics and promos.

How sad.

[bueno bob]

Originally posted by Vinnie Velvet
You gotta read Warrior's story about the DVD thing at his website (but what a long read I must say: www.ultimatewarrior.com).

There, Warrior says that originally WWE wanted to interview him for the DVD and add commentary to matches and so forth. Its kinda confusing what happened---but basically, Warrior declined to be involved with the DVD project for reasons he states on his website.

So, instead of putting together a positive DVD showcasing Warrior's story and accomplishments, WWE went ahead anyway by releasing a DVD called "The Self Destruction of the Ultimate Warrior" as pretty much a slap in the face to the Warrior -- word has it that it also includes several wrestlers (Batista) mocking Warrior's antics and promos.

How sad.

Well, I just read ALL of it :) And I must admit, the man's fairly well spoken and pretty damn eloquent, too. Thing is, I agree with about 98% of it. He's right in a lot of respects...a LOT of talent out there is shit-talking Vince when they don't have a contract and kissing his ass once they do, he's spot-on about that. And - no shitting - UW put asses in seats, of that there's absolutely no question. Vince going out and putting out a negative DVD just looks silly to those of us who were there and saw it - when UW ran to the ring, got in the ring, there was an energy in the air you could taste that was on par with Hogans back in the day, maybe even a bit more. Damn shame that they wasted the character, though...UW as a heel could have been a wonderful turn of events, and he could have made a BAD ASS heel to boot, but...

Moreover, I think he's also spot-on about the degeneration of the WWE into sleaze and boredom. Something I've been arguing for a long time now.

UW's WWF run was short, but it was definately memorable and he brought a lot more to the sport during his short run than a lot of others have brought with three times his tenure in the ring, my opinion. I absolutely am against his political views and don't agree at all with what he promotes in his appearances these days, but I'll definately give the man credit for sticking to his guns against Vince and calling it like it is. With that, he's 100% right on the money.

[Dan]

Originally posted by Big Troubles
Ouch thats a long wait brother Dan. Frustrating or used to it I suppose. You get Smackdown, but its like on a week delay?

Yeah,a week delay.

[rustoffa]

Originally posted by Big Troubles
quick set up for a Flair vs HHH feud. No explaination other than "Im the last one".... It'll be fun tv again anyways.

:(

[Vinnie Velvet]

Originally posted by bueno bob
Well, I just read ALL of it :) And I must admit, the man's fairly well spoken and pretty damn eloquent, too. Thing is, I agree with about 98% of it. He's right in a lot of respects...a LOT of talent out there is shit-talking Vince when they don't have a contract and kissing his ass once they do, he's spot-on about that. And - no shitting - UW put asses in seats, of that there's absolutely no question. Vince going out and putting out a negative DVD just looks silly to those of us who were there and saw it - when UW ran to the ring, got in the ring, there was an energy in the air you could taste that was on par with Hogans back in the day, maybe even a bit more. Damn shame that they wasted the character, though...UW as a heel could have been a wonderful turn of events, and he could have made a BAD ASS heel to boot, but...

Moreover, I think he's also spot-on about the degeneration of the WWE into sleaze and boredom. Something I've been arguing for a long time now.

UW's WWF run was short, but it was definately memorable and he brought a lot more to the sport during his short run than a lot of others have brought with three times his tenure in the ring, my opinion. I absolutely am against his political views and don't agree at all with what he promotes in his appearances these days, but I'll definately give the man credit for sticking to his guns against Vince and calling it like it is. With that, he's 100% right on the money.

Do you think it was Hogan who kept Warrior back??

I mean, there was no one, not even Savage, who pretty much stole the spotlight from Hogan than the Ultimate Warrior. He was getting even bigger pops when he'd come to the ring.

I remember when Warrior beat Hogan for the title at WM6 in '90. Everyone and the media were saying that Hulkamania is dead and so on.

Ironic that Warrior quickly dropped off the title picture and Hogan won it back and then was defending against the Undertaker (91). After that, Warrior was all but done (save for a brief return as an mid card performer in '96).

Even WCW didn't know what to do with UW back in 1998. Not surprising, WCW didn't know what to do with a lot of their talent back then. But it was promising -- I remember going apeshit when Warrior showed up at Halloween Havoc and seeing Hogan's face.

[bueno bob]

Originally posted by Vinnie Velvet
Do you think it was Hogan who kept Warrior back??

I mean, there was no one, not even Savage, who pretty much stole the spotlight from Hogan than the Ultimate Warrior. He was getting even bigger pops when he'd come to the ring.

I remember when Warrior beat Hogan for the title at WM6 in '90. Everyone and the media were saying that Hulkamania is dead and so on.

Ironic that Warrior quickly dropped off the title picture and Hogan won it back and then was defending against the Undertaker (91). After that, Warrior was all but done (save for a brief return as an mid card performer in '96).

Even WCW didn't know what to do with UW back in 1998. Not surprising, WCW didn't know what to do with a lot of their talent back then. But it was promising -- I remember going apeshit when Warrior showed up at Halloween Havoc and seeing Hogan's face.

Yeah...UW left some grate memories, no doubt :)

[Vinnie Velvet]

Originally posted by bueno bob
Yeah...UW left some grate memories, no doubt :)

Too bad we won't be seeing him back in the WWE anytime soon.

But, as with Vince and Co., never say never.

If there is money to be made, Vince will do what he can to get Warrior on TV.

I mean, they even sent out an invitation they posted on the website for Warrior to be on Byte This.

Methinks Vince wants Warrior back but won't do it unless UW starts kissing McMahon's ass.

[zeronumber]

Originally posted by bueno bob
That's pretty fucked up, I think.

What "self-destruction"? The only real destruction of the Warrior was at the hands of WWF's writers who bogged him down with five or six feuds at once and didn't bother to resolve or focus on any of them. I doubt seriously Warrior "self-destructed", it was probably more of a case of Vince deciding that he'd lived out his usefulness and it was time to do something different...shocking, when has Vince EVER been guilty of doing that to somebody?? :rolleyes:

Granted, Warrior's gimmick didn't really leave a lot of room for expansion once he beat Hogan, but he was a very popular guy in his day and made the company a lot of money...since that's really all Vince cares about, you'd think they'd show his some respect.

Actually, The reason why Warrior self destructed was mostly due to the fact that he let the fame go to his head. And like any other pompous ass in professional wrestling who starts beliving their own hype, he became an egomaniac. He refused to job to other main eventers, or wrestle midcarders, and even failed to show up at a lot of live events that he was advirtised for. Hell, he even threatened vince for money, which got him fired. The only reason why he came back is when the wwe was so low on gimmicks that they decided to give him short term contracts. Once the populartity of the attitude era came in, the warrior was done and nobody other thand wcw(mind you, late 90's wcw was utter wash up shit) would put him in events.

As a kid, I used to love the warrior, and hulk hogan, but now knowing all the political bullshit, I think(and still think) he's an ass.

Hell, one time I went to get an autograph when sting and the ultimate warrior were handing out autographs...

Sting signed a "crow sting" picture for me. Warrior wouldn't sign shit unless you paid him 50 bucks.

What an asshole.

[Vinnie Velvet]

The Ultimate Warrior speaks again!!!!

Check out his latest column on his website:

www.ultimatewarrior.com

There, not only does he tear Vince a new one (again), he also tears into JR, Triple H, Hogan and even Bobby Heenan!!

Its quite a read.

[bueno bob]

Originally posted by Vinnie Velvet
The Ultimate Warrior speaks again!!!!

Check out his latest column on his website:

www.ultimatewarrior.com

There, not only does he tear Vince a new one (again), he also tears into JR, Triple H, Hogan and even Bobby Heenan!!

Its quite a read.

He really fuckin' cut loose, didn't he? lol...good for him, though. Most of those shitheads really need somebody to tell them what a pack of idiots they are, honestly :)

I gotta say it, I really miss the old school WWF days of the 80s...there's just an element that was present with that that's just missing today and makes the whole thing a lot less interesting to me. I remember a time when I was a kid thinking how cool it'd be to sit around watching it with my own kids, but now I'd have to be tied up and gagged before I let them anywhere near a WWE broadcast, sleazefest that it's become. I mean, it's good for those of us in our late 20's/late 30's, but this isn't family entertainment anymore....not to my eyes, anyway.

[Soul Reaper]

See if you can answer these questions, guys. I found this on OWW.com

1. True or False: The debut episode of Nitro went head-to-head with Raw.

2. For the first head-to-head week of Raw vs. Nitro, which program got higher ratings?

3. By the Fall of 1996, Nitro was decidedly beating Raw every week. WWF's response was to bring in Rick Bogner and Glen "Kane before he was Kane" Jacobs, as part of an elaborate angle headed by Jim Ross. What were those two men's roles in this embarrassing WWF angle?

4. Everyone hates to admit it, but one of the major reasons WCW grew to great heights was the unexpected and shocking heel turn of Hulk Hogan. Hogan turned heel and formed the nWo on which WCW PPV?

5. When WWF gets insecure, they do dumb, embarrassing things (as you can see by these past few weeks). Which brings us to the Billionaire Ted skits. In these skits, WWF mocked WCW for having the old, immobile Hulk Hogan as their main eventer. Let me repeat that. WWF mocked WCW for having the old, immobile Hulk Hogan as their main eventer. And who just main evented SummerSlam?? Thank you. What WWF diva at the time participated in one of these skits, playing the role of a game show hostess?

6. In 1997, Vince McMahon informed Bret Hart that he could no longer afford his expensive contract. You see, before Bret re-signed with WWF for all that money, he was the hottest free agent in wrestling. He ultimately chose WWF, and signed a contract for an obscenely lengthy time period. For how many years was Bret's new contract with WWF?

7. 1998 was the year WWF caught up and surpassed WCW. Leading the charge was Steve Austin, the guy WCW fired because he was too bland to sell merchandise. Instead, Austin went on to sell more merchandise than any wrestler in history. As Bryan Alvarez wrote in Death of WCW, "Oops." Oops is right. The episode of Raw that finally beat Nitro in the ratings (after 80+ weeks of losing) was Austin's match against whom??

8. WCW did have great success in 1998 too, as it was a year of record profits for them. Looking back, while 1998 was not WWE's best financial year, it was probably the peak of the Monday Night wars and wrestling in general. Jesse Ventura's election win was proof of that. A great victory for WCW was their high profile summer PPV, which featured which two NBA stars? (the match sucked, but the media hype around it was undeniable)

9. In 1999, WCW sank to the bottom of the pit. Kevin Nash, Dusty Rhodes, and Vince Russo booked the company into oblivion, each at different intervals. Meanwhile, WWF was hotter than they had ever been. Frustrated beyond belief, the Radicalz (Guerrero, Malenko, Benoit, and Saturn) requested and received their release from WCW. When they debuted in WWF, which member of the Radicalz was immediately injured for real?

10. Finally, in 2000, the WWF was at their peak. They coasted for most of the year, setting record after record. And their product was largely awesome, having shed the adult content and focusing on the wrestling and booking. It was the year of HHH, who stepped up to the plate and established himself as a major player. In WCW, it was more of the same. Eric Bischoff returned, and the tandem of Bischoff and Russo did make for one exciting week of WCW TV. During this brief time of the Bischoff/Russo era, Hulk Hogan began a feud with what WCW mid-carder?

[bueno bob]

Originally posted by Soul Reaper
See if you can answer these questions, guys. I found this on OWW.com

1. True or False: The debut episode of Nitro went head-to-head with Raw.

False, I think.

2. For the first head-to-head week of Raw vs. Nitro, which program got higher ratings?

I think it was Raw, the first time out...could be wrong...

3. By the Fall of 1996, Nitro was decidedly beating Raw every week. WWF's response was to bring in Rick Bogner and Glen "Kane before he was Kane" Jacobs, as part of an elaborate angle headed by Jim Ross. What were those two men's roles in this embarrassing WWF angle?

I believe they were the "new" Razor Ramon and Diesel... :rolleyes:

4. Everyone hates to admit it, but one of the major reasons WCW grew to great heights was the unexpected and shocking heel turn of Hulk Hogan. Hogan turned heel and formed the nWo on which WCW PPV?

Oh shit...Bash at the Beach? Fuck, I can't remember...

5. When WWF gets insecure, they do dumb, embarrassing things (as you can see by these past few weeks). Which brings us to the Billionaire Ted skits. In these skits, WWF mocked WCW for having the old, immobile Hulk Hogan as their main eventer. Let me repeat that. WWF mocked WCW for having the old, immobile Hulk Hogan as their main eventer. And who just main evented SummerSlam?? Thank you. What WWF diva at the time participated in one of these skits, playing the role of a game show hostess?

No idea...but I remember those skits...they were fuckin' stupid...

6. In 1997, Vince McMahon informed Bret Hart that he could no longer afford his expensive contract. You see, before Bret re-signed with WWF for all that money, he was the hottest free agent in wrestling. He ultimately chose WWF, and signed a contract for an obscenely lengthy time period. For how many years was Bret's new contract with WWF?

No idea.

7. 1998 was the year WWF caught up and surpassed WCW. Leading the charge was Steve Austin, the guy WCW fired because he was too bland to sell merchandise. Instead, Austin went on to sell more merchandise than any wrestler in history. As Bryan Alvarez wrote in Death of WCW, "Oops." Oops is right. The episode of Raw that finally beat Nitro in the ratings (after 80+ weeks of losing) was Austin's match against whom??

Oh man...I don't know...was it the handicap vs. Kane & Undertaker?

8. WCW did have great success in 1998 too, as it was a year of record profits for them. Looking back, while 1998 was not WWE's best financial year, it was probably the peak of the Monday Night wars and wrestling in general. Jesse Ventura's election win was proof of that. A great victory for WCW was their high profile summer PPV, which featured which two NBA stars? (the match sucked, but the media hype around it was undeniable)

Dennis Rodman and....???

9. In 1999, WCW sank to the bottom of the pit. Kevin Nash, Dusty Rhodes, and Vince Russo booked the company into oblivion, each at different intervals. Meanwhile, WWF was hotter than they had ever been. Frustrated beyond belief, the Radicalz (Guerrero, Malenko, Benoit, and Saturn) requested and received their release from WCW. When they debuted in WWF, which member of the Radicalz was immediately injured for real?

God, my memory sucks...wasn't it Dean?

10. Finally, in 2000, the WWF was at their peak. They coasted for most of the year, setting record after record. And their product was largely awesome, having shed the adult content and focusing on the wrestling and booking. It was the year of HHH, who stepped up to the plate and established himself as a major player. In WCW, it was more of the same. Eric Bischoff returned, and the tandem of Bischoff and Russo did make for one exciting week of WCW TV. During this brief time of the Bischoff/Russo era, Hulk Hogan began a feud with what WCW mid-carder?

No idea...I knew once, but...um...was it Horace (Hogan), ex of Raven's flock?

[Soul Reaper]

struggling, eh?!

:D

[bueno bob]

Originally posted by Soul Reaper
struggling, eh?!

:D

That noticable, hunh? :)

[Soul Reaper]

indeed...

...but ALAN will have mercy....

[Vinnie Velvet]

Originally posted by bueno bob
He really fuckin' cut loose, didn't he? lol...good for him, though. Most of those shitheads really need somebody to tell them what a pack of idiots they are, honestly :)

I gotta say it, I really miss the old school WWF days of the 80s...there's just an element that was present with that that's just missing today and makes the whole thing a lot less interesting to me. I remember a time when I was a kid thinking how cool it'd be to sit around watching it with my own kids, but now I'd have to be tied up and gagged before I let them anywhere near a WWE broadcast, sleazefest that it's become. I mean, it's good for those of us in our late 20's/late 30's, but this isn't family entertainment anymore....not to my eyes, anyway.

I totally agree.

Its not like it was in the 80s.

But when Shawn introduced DX in '97, I was 23 years old (same as you Bob!), so that kind of rauchiness I accepted.

But now, I have my own kids too, so its different. Its not family entertainment anymore.

As far as Warrior is concerned, my bet is that Vince really wanted him to be a part of the RAW Homecoming show on the USA Network. Since the show is about 'A night of Champions', what better shock and surprise than to have one-time WWE Champion UW there!

But my guess is that instead of just outright asking Warrior if he'd be interested, Vince is resorting to tactics like the DVD and the fake Warrior interview on Byte This.

[Mr Badguy]

Originally posted by Vinnie Velvet
The Ultimate Warrior speaks again!!!!

Check out his latest column on his website:

www.ultimatewarrior.com

There, not only does he tear Vince a new one (again), he also tears into JR, Triple H, Hogan and even Bobby Heenan!!

Its quite a read.

It would make a great promo.

He`ll never make the hall of fame, if only for the fact that he`d have nothing to do with WWE for promotional purposes.

[Full Bug]

Just read the first part of the Warrior talking about the DVD, will get to the second part when I have another 8 hours to kill, whats up with him talking about himself in the 3'rd person? He is a loony tune, this freak actually changed his name to Warrior....
Never liked him, never will, although I do respect the impact he made in so little time.....More thoughts from Bug later, I too will now refer to myself in the 3'rd person.....

[Mr Badguy]

Originally posted by Full Bug
Just read the first part of the Warrior talking about the DVD, will get to the second part when I have another 8 hours to kill, whats up with him talking about himself in the 3'rd person? He is a loony tune, this freak actually changed his name to Warrior....
Never liked him, never will, although I do respect the impact he made in so little time.....More thoughts from Bug later, I too will now refer to myself in the 3'rd person.....

Indeed, BADGUY thought that was very strange.

BADGUY thinks that he could imagine him saying all that stuff while walking around staring at his hands and snarling, like he used to do in his promos.

BADGUY heard the WWE has just released a killer 3 disc Undertaker DVD, anybody got it yet?

[bueno bob]

What's wrong with snarling at your fists? BUENO BOB does that all the time, and BUENO BOB doesn't find anything strange or silly about it at all.

[Full Bug]

My fist does alot of things, but it aint snarling.....

"As for you, Booby Heenan, it’s just too difficult to keep a straight face talking about the pure two-faced bag of shit you are (and have always been), what,
with you also actually wearing one as a piece of body jewelry. You are dying, dis-eased on the inside, and no more time is left to get back any of the integrity
that matters the most on death’s bed. Imagine what it will be like, lying there taking in your last breaths, knowing you whored yourself out your whole life,
and had to, in your final years, be faced with emptying your own personal shit bag affirming to you the true value of what you achieved in your life. Not
even Vince could come up with a better finish than this. Karma is just a beautiful thing to behold."

The guy bashes Bobby Heenan, who is in ill health, and UW talks about class? I hate now him more then ever, Bobby has more class in his pinky then Jim ever will....

[Soul Reaper]

Interesting article about WWE 'icons':

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/columns/misc/robertzarp02.html

It's too long to be posted on here....people wouldn't be bothered to read it...

[rustoffa]

The big going home to USA just cranked up.....it's probably gonna be way better than a lame-per-view.

[Big Troubles]

that was the lamest show Ive ever seen! Austin stuns entire McMahon family? Yeah that was shocking... Welcome back to 1998 again. This much time has passed and all the planning in the world to go back to USA Network, and they have the "stars" doing the EXACT same thing they've been doing for years. Who the fuck didn't see HHH turning on Flair? How predicktable was Foley/Piper/Orton's segment? Blah...
Iron Man ends in a draw? wtf???? Ladder match was decent though. Hulk Hogan, biggest star of the 80's/90's, challenged Stone Cold Steve Austin to a match, no date, no place.... Just mentions a match, then cut to commercial? Why was there no build up? Like a possible tag match, where Hogan costs Austin the tag match... Austin stuns Hulk... There's an EASY build up to a main event match. The writers just aren't trying.

Know what's weird? Vince hires alot of "Hollywood" writers instead of using ex-wrestlers with knowledge of the sport and yet I dont think there are really any "stories" on either show. Is there? Maybe the Eddie/Rey/Dominique bullshit. What are the writers doing?

[Big Troubles]

Listen to the whiner Honky Tonk Man. This guy is a total piece of shit. I mean really. Vince apparently' offered HTM $10,000 for the year and royalties on merch. and DvD's etc.... According to Honker, the contract was also in exchange for trademarks on his name and likeness. Honky balked at the contract and has been bitter ever since.

Hey Vince, anytime you are done chasing that fat, old piece of rotten donkey shit Honky Tonk, you come around my way. You can have my name and likeness in exchange for royalties for life. I'll even waive the $10 grand!

http://www.thehonkytonkman.com/audioblog/

[Big Troubles]

Taken from a shoot interview with HTM


"HTM went outside to get ready for his match and then did some OH MY GOD, DID HE REALLY JUST DO THAT impressions of Bret Hart after Bret's stroke and then a drunk Jake Roberts. It takes a lot to offend me, but even I could believe the Bret Hart stuff. Wow. Torch Rhythm and Blues Historian Keith Lipinski tells me that there is a bizarre scene in Hart's Wrestling With Shadows movie that has HTM being given fashion advice by the Hart Foundation in the back of a limo. I think all of this heat stems from the fact that Bret didn't want to do clean jobs to HTM back in the day."

Charming cocksucker, no?

[Big Troubles]

blah....

[Dan]

Originally posted by Big Troubles
that was the lamest show Ive ever seen! Austin stuns entire McMahon family? Yeah that was shocking... Welcome back to 1998 again. This much time has passed and all the planning in the world to go back to USA Network, and they have the "stars" doing the EXACT same thing they've been doing for years. Who the fuck didn't see HHH turning on Flair? How predicktable was Foley/Piper/Orton's segment? Blah...
Iron Man ends in a draw? wtf???? Ladder match was decent though. Hulk Hogan, biggest star of the 80's/90's, challenged Stone Cold Steve Austin to a match, no date, no place.... Just mentions a match, then cut to commercial? Why was there no build up? Like a possible tag match, where Hogan costs Austin the tag match... Austin stuns Hulk... There's an EASY build up to a main event match. The writers just aren't trying.

Know what's weird? Vince hires alot of "Hollywood" writers instead of using ex-wrestlers with knowledge of the sport and yet I dont think there are really any "stories" on either show. Is there? Maybe the Eddie/Rey/Dominique bullshit. What are the writers doing?

BT,WWE homecoming is on Friday night now,so will have to watch it for myself.

[Big Troubles]

shit sorry to give away results Dan. If it's on late, just set the VCR, dont wait up all night to see anything spectacular. Again sorry bro.

[Dan]

Originally posted by Big Troubles
shit sorry to give away results Dan. If it's on late, just set the VCR, dont wait up all night to see anything spectacular. Again sorry bro.

That's cool bro.

[rustoffa]

Originally posted by Big Troubles
that was the lamest show Ive ever seen!

With the exception of the ladder match, most of it was like looking into a crystal ball. If you want schlock, you got it.

How 'bout Von Erich and that devastating CLAW!!!!

Where the fuck was Von Raschke?? THAT dude had a CLAW!!!
:D

[Big Troubles]

Originally posted by rustoffa
With the exception of the ladder match, most of it was like looking into a crystal ball. If you want schlock, you got it.

How 'bout Von Erich and that devastating CLAW!!!!

Where the fuck was Von Raschke?? THAT dude had a CLAW!!!
:D

It was cool to see Von Erich there too. (he didn't look too old either)

The Big Baron! :D I used to watch him at the old gardens. Man that's rich. Baron Von Rashka as Mad Dog used to say. Da Baron. Rashka I said.

[Soul Reaper]

Originally posted by Big Troubles
that was the lamest show Ive ever seen! Austin stuns entire McMahon family? Yeah that was shocking... Welcome back to 1998 again. This much time has passed and all the planning in the world to go back to USA Network, and they have the "stars" doing the EXACT same thing they've been doing for years. Who the fuck didn't see HHH turning on Flair? How predicktable was Foley/Piper/Orton's segment? Blah...
Iron Man ends in a draw? wtf???? Ladder match was decent though. Hulk Hogan, biggest star of the 80's/90's, challenged Stone Cold Steve Austin to a match, no date, no place.... Just mentions a match, then cut to commercial? Why was there no build up? Like a possible tag match, where Hogan costs Austin the tag match... Austin stuns Hulk... There's an EASY build up to a main event match. The writers just aren't trying.

Know what's weird? Vince hires alot of "Hollywood" writers instead of using ex-wrestlers with knowledge of the sport and yet I dont think there are really any "stories" on either show. Is there? Maybe the Eddie/Rey/Dominique bullshit. What are the writers doing?

Geez, WWE is getting more AND MORE predictable every show...

...who are the writers?...

[Soul Reaper]

I heard that Stephanie McMahon was one of the writers....

[Dave's Bitch]

Originally posted by Soul Reaper
I heard that Stephanie McMahon was one of the writers....

stephanie really sucks at writing

they should have paul heyman on the writing team,he was good

[Soul Reaper]

Originally posted by Dave's Bitch
they should have paul heyman on the writing team,he was good

he was?

what did he write?

[Dave's Bitch]

Originally posted by Soul Reaper
he was?

what did he write?

i forget lol

but i seem to remember things being alot better with heyman than with fucking stephanie or who ever else

[Big Troubles]

Originally posted by Soul Reaper
I heard that Stephanie McMahon was one of the writers....

she is the head "writer". She likes the soap opera shit. The oldest member of the current writing team on Raw is 24. That says alot.

[Fairwrning]

Originally posted by rustoffa
With the exception of the ladder match, most of it was like looking into a crystal ball. If you want schlock, you got it.

How 'bout Von Erich and that devastating CLAW!!!!

Where the fuck was Von Raschke?? THAT dude had a CLAW!!!
:D

Von Rascke SCARED me as a kid....hated that guy..

[Fairwrning]

Can't believe Flair took that beating...rediculous...
had to play a bitch in front of all the legends...that was fucked up

[Big Troubles]

But at least Flair is still making 6 digits. Beating or not, you can tell he loves the sport and enjoys the work. Win or lose. But yeah, we wont see Flair going over Triple H anytime soon. ;)

[Big Troubles]

Happy B day to ya!

[WARF]

Why the fuck didn't Dusty Rhodes help Flair when he was gettin' beat up in front of him?

[VonHalen]

rhodes hated flair, (as far as story lines go) Besides, back in the mid 80's flair used to leave the ring, win or lose, looking like he got the shit beat out of him, blood and all, Dallas was big for him to do that in.

[Fairwrning]

Originally posted by Big Troubles
Happy B day to ya!

thanks..

[Fairwrning]

Originally posted by WARF
Why the fuck didn't Dusty Rhodes help Flair when he was gettin' beat up in front of him?

all of em sat there..too sad..but honestly HHH would beat the living shit out of ALL of em...
Steamboat looked good..he got no recognition tho..another sucky thing about Mon..

[WARF]

They made a couple mistakes.

Randy Orton should have came out when all the legends were in the ring... instead of piper's pit.

The Stone Cold Steve Austin Vs. Hulk Hogan match-up is a complete joke.... Austin is no comdition to wrestle and could very easily break his neck.

Regardless I enjoyed the homecoming.... it was nice to see Ricky The Dragon steamboat.... one of my childhood favorites.

[WARF]

Originally posted by VonHalen
rhodes hated flair, (as far as story lines go) Besides, back in the mid 80's flair used to leave the ring, win or lose, looking like he got the shit beat out of him, blood and all, Dallas was big for him to do that in.

Flair And Dusty both were the box office babies in the NWA... and I know they have a deep respect for each other.... he should have helped him up.... and where the fuck was Batista??!~?!?

[Full Bug]

Originally posted by Soul Reaper
he was?

what did he write?
Your kidding right? Remember a few years ago when Smackdown was better then Raw? Who do you think was writing the show? Paul.....
Steph pretty much writes the show now and Smackdown aint much better then Sunday Night Heat....

[WARF]

They need to bring back the HHH/ Katie Vick storyline.... where he dressed up as kane a fucked a mannequin corpse!!!

[rustoffa]

Originally posted by fairwrning
Can't believe Flair took that beating...rediculous...
had to play a bitch in front of all the legends...that was fucked up


A few of 'em are cuntsiderably younger than him. Alot of 'em are around the same age. He's fucking old, and still taking the bumps...it's just fucking crazy.

The whole twisted deal was probably about Vince demanding that Flair make all those fuckers depressed or some shit.
:D

[Mr Badguy]

Did they make Steamboat dress up like a crocodile and blow fire?

[Soul Reaper]

Originally posted by Full Bug
Your kidding right? Remember a few years ago when Smackdown was better then Raw? Who do you think was writing the show? Paul.....
Steph pretty much writes the show now and Smackdown aint much better then Sunday Night Heat....

Well, I didn't know who the writers were until recently...I didn't even care until WWE went even further down the drain, which is 2004-ish....

[rustoffa]

Originally posted by Mr Badguy
Did they make Steamboat dress up like a crocodile and blow fire?


:D

[Anonymous]

Originally posted by fairwrning
Can't believe Flair took that beating...rediculous...
had to play a bitch in front of all the legends...that was fucked up

Hey, we REALLY needed to see Triple H goin' against Flair. I think I even mentioned how cool it would be if they went at it a couple pages ago...

D'you think it's possible that someone from WWE reads this? :rofl:

Cheers! :bottle:

[Anonymous]

Originally posted by Big Troubles
But at least Flair is still making 6 digits. Beating or not, you can tell he loves the sport and enjoys the work. Win or lose.

That's the spirit... a guy (or girl) doesn't need to win to be a grate wrestler. And the opposite is also true, of course.

I mean, just look at Cena... :lol:


Originally posted by Big Troubles
But yeah, we wont see Flair going over Triple H anytime soon. ;)

You know, I'm REALLY going to enjoy this...

Cheers! :bottle:

[Anonymous]

Originally posted by WARF
The Stone Cold Steve Austin Vs. Hulk Hogan match-up is a complete joke.... Austin is no comdition to wrestle and could very easily break his neck.

ANY Hogan match is a cuntplete joke nowadays... He can't move any faster than a trapped lazy snail on a hot day.

What a maroon.


Originally posted by WARF
Flair And Dusty both were the box office babies in the NWA... and I know they have a deep respect for each other.... he should have helped him up.... and where the fuck was Batista??!~?!?

On Smackdown?

Cheers! :bottle:

[Soul Reaper]

Have they brought back women wrestling yet?....I'm getting tired of this women arm wrestling, big boxing gloves etc. bullshit....BRING BACK THE WOMEN WRESTLING!

[Soul Reaper]

Another quiz, people....from OWW.com

1. When Ric Flair was fired by WCW, he took the big gold belt with him to the WWF. Oops. It didn't take long before WCW took legal action, and they were successful. First, WWF blurred out the image of the WCW belt on their broadcasts. After WCW got the belt back, WWF still blurred the belt. Say what, Prof? Yes, WWF then used a DIFFERENT belt and pretended it was the WCW belt, which no one at home knew because it was still blurred out. In fact, which belt did Flair use as his "WCW" belt that would get blurred out?

2. There is a reason WWF is called WWE today: Vince McMahon is a stubborn, hard-headed control freak who likes to live by his own rules. And that's why he has to pay his production crew overtime to edit out all those old logos. Boy, Vince showed them, huh? The initials "WWF" belong to someone else today. In fact, what does WWF stand for today? Hint: It's not World Wrestling Federation (duh).

3. Brock Lesnar currently has a lawsuit out against WWE. What hurts his case, however, is that he appeared for which foreign promotion last year?

4. Let's play Word Association. The word is Lewmar. Ever hear of them? They were a company involved in the Owen Hart death lawsuit. What was their role?

5. Missy Hyatt filed a sexual harassment lawsuit against WCW after she was fired in 1993/1994. Laugh all you want, but I don't think any of us would doubt Missy was legitimately harassed by many in the company. Why was Missy fired from WCW in the first place?

6. Speaking of sexual harassment, one former WWE performer filed a lawsuit against the company for that very reason. No one believed her, though. For one, she appeared to be after whatever money WWE might give her to quietly settle the suit. While most would term her a Chyna rip-off, the truth was that she was well known on the Northeastern bodybuilding scene years before there was ever a Chyna, and made quite a name for herself on national radio. What muscular woman filed, and lost, this sexual harassment lawsuit against WWE a couple of years ago?

7. Sonny Ono, along with a bunch of WCW guys you've never heard of, filed and won a big case against Time Warner after WCW went belly up. Word on the street is they got lucky (and very rich) and benefited from Time Warner wanting to avoid a public relations nightmare. While they all got rich, scores of other WCW guys who also never got pushes ended up with zilch. Is that fair? No. Is life fair? No. What did Sonny Ono and his buddies sue Time Warner for?

8. This wouldn't be a quiz on lawsuits without mentioning the infamous Vince McMahon steroid trial of 1994. True or False: In the indictments against McMahon, the government wanted to seize WWE's corporate headquarters (called "Titan Towers" at the time).

9. Jesse Ventura woke up the sleeping giant when he sued WWE many years ago over royalties he never received. Did Jesse win or lose this case?

10. Here's a very recent and very easy question to round out the quiz. WWE would've had a major case on their hands had Blue Meanie decided to sue them over the JBL incident at ECW One Night Stand. What did WWE do to appease Meanie, and thus prevent future legal action?

[Anonymous]

Originally posted by Soul Reaper
Have they brought back women wrestling yet?....I'm getting tired of this women arm wrestling, big boxing gloves etc. bullshit....BRING BACK THE WOMEN WRESTLING!

You, my friend, are VERY right. I'm getting sick of seeing gay asses like Masters and Conway getting air time and Goddesses like Christy Hemme and Satcy Keibler getting nothing.

Fortunately, Trish is back. Weee!

Cheers! :bottle:

[Mr Badguy]

I got that Undertaker DVD.

It`s called "Tombstone: The story of The Undertaker".

3 DVDs.

Disc 1:

Vs Hulk Hogan (Survivor Series 91)
Vs Yokozuna (Royal Rumble 94) Casket match
Vs Diesel (Wrestlemania XII)
Vs Mankind (In your house : Buried Alive 20/10/96) Buried alive match
Vs Mankind (In your house : Revenge of the `taker 20/04/97)
Vs Bret Hart (Summerslam `97)
Vs Bret Hart (One night only 20/09/97)

Disc 2:

Vs Shawn Michaels (In your house : Ground Zero 07/09/97)
Vs Shawn Michaels (In your house ; Badd Blood 05/10/97) Hell in a cell
Vs Kane (Wrestlemania XIV)
Vs Kane (Unforgiven 98) Inferno match
Vs Mankind (King of the ring 98) Hell in a cell
Vs The Rock (King of the ring 99)

Disc 3:

Vs Stone Cold Steve Austin (Fully Loaded 25/07/99) First blood match
Vs HHH (Wrestlemania XVII)
Vs Hulk Hogan (Judgement Day 02)
Vs Brock Lesnar (No mercy 02) Hell in a cell
Vs John Cena (Vengeance 03)
Vs Kurt Angle (Smackdown 03/09/03)
Vs Mr McMahon (Survivor Series 03) Buried alive match
Vs Kane (Wrestlemania XX)

Plus the usual vignettes and promos.

No retrospective interviews, though.

The matches are linked by a narrative.

The only things missing are his debut at Survivor Series 90 and locking the Ultimate Warrior in the coffin.

Excellent package.

[Anonymous]

Is that the copy Randy Orton signed? :D

Cheers! :bottle:

[Dave's Bitch]

Originally posted by Imapus Sylicker
You, my friend, are VERY right. I'm getting sick of seeing gay asses like Masters and Conway getting air time and Goddesses like Christy Hemme and Satcy Keibler getting nothing.



you know why that is,because although not very good,Masters and Conway are WRESTLERS.Fucking slut christy Hemme and Stacy Keibler are no talent ho's who come out,bounce around for a bit and just generaly act like SLUTS

grrrr i hate christy and stacy

[Anonymous]

Allow me to disagree. Conway is, in fact, a wrestler, much as I dislike his character. But then again, so is Cena, much as I HATE his character.

But Masters is, in NO way, a wrestler. He's slow, he's clumsy, has absolutely no technique, and his learning curve leaves a lot to be desired.

Actually, if you compare Master's - or even Batista's, even though Batista IS a wrestler and you can tell how much he wants to be in that business just by looking at him... he just can't help being a bit... well, dim - learning curve to that of Christy Hemme, you'll see that ever since her debut in 2004, Christy learned enough to take on Trish Stratus and Victoria without making a complete fool of herself in the ring - and that's saying a lot, as Trish and Victoria are among the top wrestlers. While Masters, I don't even know how long he's been there, still manages to look like a complete arsehole every time he steps in that ring - and out of it.

And I don't mean his character, either.

Cheers! :bottle:

[Dave's Bitch]

Originally posted by Imapus Sylicker
Allow me to disagree. Conway is, in fact, a wrestler, much as I dislike his character. But then again, so is Cena, much as I HATE his character.

But Masters is, in NO way, a wrestler. He's slow, he's clumsy, has absolutely no technique, and his learning curve leaves a lot to be desired.

Actually, if you compare Master's - or even Batista's, even though Batista IS a wrestler and you can tell how much he wants to be in that business just by looking at him... he just can't help being a bit... well, dim - learning curve to that of Christy Hemme, you'll see that ever since her debut in 2004, Christy learned enough to take on Trish Stratus and Victoria without making a complete fool of herself in the ring - and that's saying a lot, as Trish and Victoria are among the top wrestlers.
Cheers! :bottle:

i completely agree about masters,he is a joke.BUT,Christy learned enough to take on Trish Stratus and Victoria without making a complete fool of herself ,more like she learned enough to be carried to a dreadful match by the top 2 women wrestlers in the company.aint much of an amazing thing really,i mean teach me how to take a half decent bump and i too could wrestle trish in an acceptable match.if you watch the match back its obvious christy has no clue really and that trish is carrying her slutty ass through the match

[Anonymous]

You obviously hate Christy, so there's no point on trying to convince you she's got the best potential out of all the new Divas.

I can understand that. I dislike Masters and Cena so much that noone can convince me they'll ever be something grate in the future. Masters sucks nig time, and the only and obvious reason Cena's still holding on to that title is that WWE is trying to get every possible cent out of his shitty album. Which I'm sure WWE payed for in the first place. Go figure.

The ONLY musician in WWE was Jericho.

Cheers! :bottle:

[rustoffa]

Originally posted by Imapus Sylicker
Hey, we REALLY needed to see Triple H goin' against Flair. I think I even mentioned how cool it would be if they went at it a couple pages ago...

D'you think it's possible that someone from WWE reads this? :rofl:

Cheers! :bottle:


That sig is the shit....talk about a blast from the past!
:cool:

[Anonymous]

Originally posted by rustoffa
That sig is the shit....talk about a blast from the past!
:cool:

Did you get this PPV? Some matches do suck, but naked women running around the ring more than made up for it. :D And some matches were pretty darn entertaining. Grate stuff.

My favorites were the After School Girls - you can see them taking care of the Sisters of No Mercy with their special move, the After School Special, in the top right of my sig - and Twin Peaks, the NWWL Champion. She's the one making fun of what's-her-name on the lower right.

Cheers! :bottle:

[Dave's Bitch]

Originally posted by Imapus Sylicker
You obviously hate Christy, so there's no point on trying to convince you she's got the best potential out of all the new Divas.

I can understand that. I dislike Masters and Cena so much that noone can convince me they'll ever be something grate in the future. Masters sucks nig time, and the only and obvious reason Cena's still holding on to that title is that WWE is trying to get every possible cent out of his shitty album. Which I'm sure WWE payed for in the first place. Go figure.

The ONLY musician in WWE was Jericho.

Cheers! :bottle:

i agree totaly about masters,he is 22 yet he is main eventing raw,him and carlito who have 1 move between them,and that move happens to be one of the most basic of all holds the full nelson,masters couldn't have a good match with HBK,who has been carrying shitty opponents for years like Sid (he had the flu when he carried sid to a ok match) and Knash and crap like that.theres a sign your in trouble,masters is kinda like batista when he first came,just a typical big man in a pain of pants,showing off his big drugged up muscles.Batista worked his ass off and is actually kinda good now,i cant ever see that of masters.

About christy,it pisses me off she comes into the wwe not coz of her talent,but because horny fans voted her because she can bounce about in some really short clothes.i mean she should be insulted that she won a competition of who can wear the sluttyest clothes and make the fans most horny,which is what the fucking diva search is,aside from a waste of air time and money ofcourse.she comes on to the scene and bounces about for 5 mins then bounces off and SHE GETS PAID MORE THAT HALF OF THE SUPERSTARS!!!!!!!.its outrageous

[Full Bug]

How did Trish suddenly turn good girl? They just introduced her when she came back that way? Whatever, she still is the best female wrestler IMO.....I think it stinks that they moved Stacey Kiebler to Smackdown, love her for her legs, and god knows you cant pay me to watch Smackdown.....Move Chris Benoit back to Raw dammit.....
Did you guys hear they might be firing good old Jim Ross from announcer of Raw? BIg mistake if they do this, I love JR's announcing for the most part.....

[Soul Reaper]

Originally posted by Dave's Bitch
About christy,it pisses me off she comes into the wwe not coz of her talent,but because horny fans voted her because she can bounce about in some really short clothes.i mean she should be insulted that she won a competition of who can wear the sluttyest clothes and make the fans most horny,which is what the fucking diva search is,aside from a waste of air time and money ofcourse.she comes on to the scene and bounces about for 5 mins then bounces off and SHE GETS PAID MORE THAT HALF OF THE SUPERSTARS!!!!!!!.its outrageous

I find Victoria hotter than Christy actually and Victoria can wrestle....I'm not saying that Christy isn't UFF!!!....but it would be a relief to watch women wrestling again instead of stupid situation matches for them or shitty storylines...

[Soul Reaper]

Nice avatar, Ima....Jimmy Hart, I believe....THE MOUTH FROM THE SOUTH....am I right?

[Anonymous]

Originally posted by Full Bug
How did Trish suddenly turn good girl? They just introduced her when she came back that way? Whatever, she still is the best female wrestler IMO.....I think it stinks that they moved Stacey Kiebler to Smackdown, love her for her legs, and god knows you cant pay me to watch Smackdown.....Move Chris Benoit back to Raw dammit.....
Did you guys hear they might be firing good old Jim Ross from announcer of Raw? BIg mistake if they do this, I love JR's announcing for the most part.....

I believe Trish turned good girl because of her long absence... it appears when a wrestler's gone long enough, people "forget" he/she was a heel and cheer them just because of their return and it's a grate opportunyity to change a heel to face... but of course, you already know this. You watch wrestling longer than I do. :D

I feel the same about Christy... I find her true RAW material.She doesn't belong in Smackdown! by any means. And neither does Stacy... As for Benoit, he's grtae just where he is. You could tell he was really happy for moving to Smackdown!. He wouldn't stop yapping the first night he got there - Benoit talking! - and he's clearly been on a roll ever since he's there... he's actually doin' much better than he was on RAW.

I really hope that J.R. thing is just a rumour... it'd be a big loss for RAW. I mean, who else can come up with such pearls as "Satan's Spa of Suffering and Pain" or "This Chamber was built to punish the human body". My favorite ever is "We are witnessing the homicide of two careers, ladies and gentlemen!" :rofl:

Cheers! :bottle:

[Anonymous]

Originally posted by Soul Reaper
Nice avatar, Ima....Jimmy Hart, I believe....THE MOUTH FROM THE SOUTH....am I right?

Very right indeed. Good ol' Jimmy, WWE Hall of Famer and NWWL co-host.

Cheers! :bottle:

[Fairwrning]

no way JR gets fired..they are pushing that rumor on the show tonight way too much...

[Fairwrning]

Lita is back to being extremely hot..Torrie Wilson is the only diva that comes close

[rustoffa]

HHH showing up to cuntplete disgust was pretty good. I'll go out on a limb and call work on the Flair beating angle. I could be wrong, but Flair will probably join his gratest admirer in a shocking _______ beatdown.

[Fairwrning]

Originally posted by fairwrning
no way JR gets fired..they are pushing that rumor on the show tonight way too much...

wow..i am kinda shocked..linda even kicked good ole JR in the nads..lmao..

[Soul Reaper]

Originally posted by fairwrning
no way JR gets fired..they are pushing that rumor on the show tonight way too much...

it'll never happen...he's too valuable...

[WARF]

Originally posted by fairwrning
Lita is back to being extremely hot..Torrie Wilson is the only diva that comes close

Torrie used to be my favorite... I am really diggin' that chick Candice right now.

[Mr Badguy]

Originally posted by Soul Reaper
it'll never happen...he's too valuable...

It`ll just be a storyline to get him off the road for a few weeks.

It`ll all weave into the Stone Cold story line when he comes back.

[Soul Reaper]

Originally posted by Mr Badguy
It`ll just be a storyline to get him off the road for a few weeks.

It`ll all weave into the Stone Cold story line when he comes back.

he'll get stunnered....most probably...

[Full Bug]

I'm not so sure its a storyline, I think Vince really wanted to get rid of Ross, read this columm.....
http://www.wrestlingobserver.com/wo/news/headlines/default.asp?aID=14488

[Full Bug]

Anyone ever wonder what happened to George The Animal Steel?


Jim Myers hasn't wrestled on a full-time basis in almost two decades, but the "Animal" inside him still surfaces from time to time.

Thanks to his enduring popularity as the bald, hairy and green-tongued George "The Animal" Steele, Myers remains one of the industry's most recognizable figures even in retirement. Myers is involved in charity work near his home in Cocoa Beach, Fla., and is even appearing at a horror convention this weekend in South Florida stemming from his acting role in the 1994 movie Ed Wood.

"I really enjoy doing things like this," said Myers, who played the role of infamous horror-movie actor Tor Johnson in Ed Wood. "When I wrestled, you were always in and out (of a city) and never had a chance to meet the fans."

Myers didn't have much to say when performing as The Animal in World Wrestling Entertainment, instead letting his antics speak volumes. A wild-eyed Steele would drool, rip open turnbuckles with his teeth (a gimmick he started when wrestling in Pittsburgh during the 1960s) and scream one- or two-word answers when interviewed.

A villain for the first 22 years of his career, WWE owner Vince McMahon's decision to turn Myers into a brutish-yet-loveable character in the mid-1980s made him a smashing success as a sympathetic babyface. Steele's unrequited love for The Lovely Elizabeth (the late Elizabeth Hulette) led to a three-year feud with her real-life husband Randy "Macho Man" Savage.

"Randy was a wonderful performer," Myers said. "He was very professional and serious and very much in love with Elizabeth. He was actually jealous of what we were doing."

Myers admits he was initially hesitant to accept a full-time WWE offer from McMahon because he was a high school teacher and football coach in Madison Heights, Michigan who had only wrestled during the summers over the previous two decades.

"I had the chance for a great (high school) retirement program and I always looked at wrestling as a part-time venture," said Myers, who was able to keep his grappling career hidden from his students until WWE began airing on national cable television in the early 1980s. "I even told my wife, 'This isn't going to work and in six weeks I'll be home.' Instead, (the character) captured the heart of the people.

"What's amazing is how that character is still remembered today. There were so many wrestlers who were so much better than I was but people don't even know who they were now because I was so different."

Already in the process of winding down his wrestling days, Myers stepped out of the ring in 1989 after contracting Crohn's disease. Although he came close to death on several occasions, Myers eventually beat the intestinal disorder through what he claims was a combination of medicine and prayer.

Myers worked as a road agent for WWE until quitting in the late 1990s because the promotion had headed in a more risqui direction, which also is the reason why he doesn't follow today's product. Myers does remains in sporadic contact with WWE's front office as a Hall of Fame member but recently declined an offer to appear with other legends on an October 3 edition of Monday Night Raw (9 p.m., USA).

"I have no hard feelings," Myers said. "I love some things they do and hate some things they do. I opted not to go (to Raw) because I thought something might happen I would not be comfortable with. When all the old guys were standing in the ring and a guy (Rob Conway) comes out and says he smells Depends, I knew something like that could happen and I would be hot. It's a whole different business from the time I worked for them."

[monkeythe]

Hey Guys,

I haven't been around for a few weeks. I've been working on a wrestling area for a major website. It should hopefully be up and running within the next 2 weeks. I was just wondering if there was anything you would want to see in a wrestling site that you haven't seen elsewhere. While my site will be geared towards beginners, it should make old time fans happy as well. I'll let you all know when the site goes live.

[Soul Reaper]

Originally posted by monkeythe
Hey Guys,

I haven't been around for a few weeks. I've been working on a wrestling area for a major website. It should hopefully be up and running within the next 2 weeks. I was just wondering if there was anything you would want to see in a wrestling site that you haven't seen elsewhere. While my site will be geared towards beginners, it should make old time fans happy as well. I'll let you all know when the site goes live.

what's the website called?

[monkeythe]

It will be on about.com

[Soul Reaper]

cool...I'll check it out...

[Vinnie Velvet]

Originally posted by Full Bug
I'm not so sure its a storyline, I think Vince really wanted to get rid of Ross, read this columm.....
http://www.wrestlingobserver.com/wo/news/headlines/default.asp?aID=14488

That's pretty sad.

I liked this part:

"Most people see this for what it is, and this is exactly what it is. Vince McMahon is out of touch with what his fans want, and what his company needs. Instead of worrying about improving the writing on his shows, which is where the real problem lies, he’s worried about the announcing team. If that doesn’t tell you how out of touch Vince McMahon is with the current wrestling landscape, then nothing will."

Vince once again showcases how much of an asshole he is. And a complete idiot!

I think that if there is enough backlash over Ross's firing (and also due to the fact that there is no replacement--Coach sucks), we will see the return of JR.

However, not sure if he'd want to return over how he was booted, literally.