Canseco on 60 Minutes

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What did he have to say?

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Wow! You can get a transcript/overview at www.CBSNews.com. You might want to check it over Monday. He fried a bunch of players including Mark McGuire, saying he personally injected roids and growth hormones into him. He mentions a bunch of other players as well. As for his reliability, well the conclusion seems to be that he's a total scum, but maybe he is credible on his steroids allegations.

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It's up already:
60 Minutes (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/02/10/60minutes/main673138.shtml)

Steroid-User Canseco Names Names

Feb. 13, 2005

'Living Steroids Experiment'
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Former slugger Jose Canseco speaks with Mike Wallace about steroid use in Major League Baseball. (Photo: CBS)



"I tried to everything possible to become the best player in the world. Do I believe steroids and growth hormones helped me achieve that? Yes."
Jose Canseco

Canseco talks to Mike Wallace in his first interview discussing his controversial book about steroid use in Major League Baseball. (Photo: CBS)

Canseco back in 1994 when he played for the Texas Rangers. Among his teammates were Juan Gonzalez, Ivan Rodriguez and Rafael Palmeiro. (Photo: AP)

(CBS) Jose Canseco, variously called "The Bad Boy of Baseball," or "The Godfather of Steroids," has written a much-talked-about book he calls "Juiced” that purports to tell the truth about his own use of anabolic steroids and human growth hormones, and the same about other top players in Major League Baseball.

The book is already a best-seller, due to pre-orders on Amazon and elsewhere. Yet almost no one has read it, because it won’t be available until Monday morning.

In the book and in this broadcast, Canseco names names - some of them superstar players - all of whom have categorically denied his charges.

But none of them agreed to talk to 60 Minutes on camera about it, though they and many others are publicly calling Canseco nasty names, mainly a liar.

But Canseco tells Correspondent Mike Wallace, in his first interview discussing his controversial book, that he's prepared for that. "Baseball is the national pastime, and what you’re saying is that the national past time is juiced," Wallace asks Canseco.

"Yeah. It is. And it's reality," says Canseco.
Is he now taking on the whole baseball establishment? "I don't know if I'm directly trying to take on the whole baseball establishment," says Canseco. "I'm just basically telling a story of my life."

His book, "Juiced," has put Major League Baseball and its author on the hot seat. Canseco writes about his 16-year career as a Major League ball player, and he says that from his first season, to his last in 2001, he used illegal anabolic steroids and human growth hormones.

"You essentially strengthened your body and your performance with a cocktail of steroids and growth hormones," says Wallace.

"Yes," says Canseco.

Where did he inject it? "Into your gluteus maximus, which is your butt muscle," says Canseco, who admits it's illegal to use, unless prescribed and administered by a licensed doctor.

Those illegal drugs helped fuel a larger-than-life career for Canseco, whose many home runs were monster shots. In 1988, Canseco hit 42 home runs and stole 40 bases. It was a feat never seen before.

"You say this, 'I would never have been a Major League-caliber player without steroids.' Right," asks Wallace.

"Well, it's a true statement. No ifs and buts about it," says Canseco.

And how much of his career success does he attribute to the use of steroids?

"Maybe not accomplish the things I did, the freakish things I did, being 6'4", 250, running 4-340's, the 40-40. Hitting 600-foot home runs. Who knows," says Canseco. "A lot of it is psychological. I mean, you really believe you have an edge. You feel the strength, and the stamina."

As early as his MVP season in 1988, there were whispers that Canseco was using steroids, and he denied these accusations throughout his entire career. But his activities off the field fanned the flames. He was arrested numerous times. Psychologists say that steroid use can stimulate aggressive behavior in some people, behavior sometimes called 'roid rage.

In 1989, he was arrested in California for carrying a loaded semi-automatic pistol in his car. In 1992, he was charged with aggravated battery for allegedly ramming his then-wife Esther's BMW with his Porsche. In November 1997, he was arrested and jailed for allegedly smacking his estranged bride of one year. And on Nov. 13, 2001, he was arrested with his brother after a fight at a Miami Beach nightclub on Halloween. He attacked two tourists, leaving one with a broken nose, and the other with 20 stitches in his lip.

"All of these are in the record," says Wallace.

"Are we to say that any individual who's on steroids that has an angry moment is due to steroids," says Canseco. "What about the individual who gets angry and kills someone who's not on steroids? What do we blame it on now?"

By 2001, at 37, Canseco's baseball career wound down. He'd played for seven teams and hit 462 home runs.

Does he have any shame that illegal drugs fueled his career?

"That's a tough question. Because I tried to everything possible to become the best player in the world," says Canseco. "Do I believe steroids and growth hormones helped me achieve that? Yes. Were there a lot of other players doing it that I had to compete against? Yes."

"What you're saying is that you were a living steroids experiment for your entire career," says Wallace.

"Yes, that's what I was," says Canseco, who claims he knows more about steroids than most trained physicians, and that he actively counseled other players about using anabolic steroids and human growth hormone.

Did he give some of his steroids to other players? "Not mine, no," says Canseco. "Did I put them in contact with the people to acquire them? Yes. Did I educate them on how to use them properly, and what way, shape, or form, and when, and with what supplements? Yes. Absolutely."

Where did he get steroids? "You get them anywhere. You can go right here to the corner gym and get it," says Canseco. "It's that simple. It's that easy. But obviously, I don't recommend using them or getting them without supervision, or a prescription, because they are illegal." Canseco's admission that he used steroids for his entire career has surprised almost no one in baseball. But everyone in the game is stunned that he has gone farther in the book than they expected. He names five names, players he claims to have used steroids with.

And at the top of the list is Mark McGwire.

"Mark and I weren't really in a sense of buddy buddies," says Canseco, who says McGwire used steroids with him. "We were more acquaintances than actually anything else. But there are certain subjects that we could talk about, like obviously steroids and so forth."

The gargantuan McGwire was best known for his remarkable 1998 season, the year he shattered one of baseball’s most hallowed records, Roger Maris' single season home-run mark of 61 homers. Canseco played with McGwire at Oakland from 1986 to 1992, and again in 1997.

"You write repeatedly about injecting steroids and growth hormones with and into Mark McGwire," says Wallace. "Tell me about your firsthand experiences with McGwire and steroids."

"Just the first time injecting them in his buttocks," says Canseco, laughing, "it wasn't like you gave a lot of thought. It was something so common."

"What we did more times than I can count was go into a bathroom stall together, shoot up steroids," read Wallace from Canseco's book. "After batting practice or right before the game, Mark and I would duck into a stall in the men's room, load up our syringes and inject ourselves. I would often inject Mark."

"I injected him probably twice," adds Canseco. "But it wasn't like, I mean, we would just walk in and a lot of times they were pill form. A lot of times, you would just, a quick injection of whatever and that's it."

"I'm just repeating what you say in the book," says Wallace. "And if we're to believe what you say in the book, 'I would often,' not twice, 'inject Mark.'"

"Well, I think it was more inject ourselves. I think I injected him. I mean, this is a long time ago. Once or twice for sure," says Canseco. "I didn't keep track, but an athlete may prepare his needle and may ask another athlete to inject him quickly. And that's the way it works."

"And these were not allowed at that time in the league," asks Wallace.

"Absolutely no," says Canseco.

In a statement to 60 Minutes, McGwire said: "Once and for all, I did not use steroids nor any illegal substance. I feel sorry to see someone turn to such drastic measures to accomplish a personal agenda at the expense of so many. The relationship that these allegations portray couldn't be further from the truth. Most concerning to me is the negative effect that sensationalizing steroids will have on impressionable youngsters who dream of one day becoming professional athletes." Both McGwire and Canseco played under manager Tony La Russa in Oakland.

"Jose Canseco says that he and Mark McGwire used anabolic steroids a lot when you were managing them back at the Oakland A's. True," Wallace asks La Russa.

"I don't think there's any doubt that it's a fabrication," says La Russa. "The product of our good play and the size and strength of our players -- Mark was a great example. What we saw was a lot of hard work. And hard work will produce strength gains and size gains."

"Why do you think that Canseco says that McGwire was using. Honest," asks Wallace.

"First of all, I think he's in dire straits and needs money," says La Russa. "I think secondly, I think there's a healthy case of envy and jealousy."

Sports writer Howard Bryant covered baseball as a beat writer for six seasons. He's currently writing a book about the past 10 years of baseball, a time some call "The Steroid Era."

"Here's what Tony La Russa says about Mark McGuire. 'I am absolutely certain Mark has earned his size and strength from hard work and a disciplined lifestyle.' Reaction," Wallace asks Bryant.

"I think that if there's anything that we're being taught about this story, it's that Mark McGwire has a lot more friends than Jose Conseco," says Bryant.

And for good reason, says Bryant. Canseco's alleged character flaws are many – including greed, which is evidenced by the fact that he charged his fans $2,500 a day to spend time with him at his home when he was under house arrest for parole violation.

Still, Bryant says Canseco’s accusations on the subject of steroids should not be taken lightly.

"I think the reason why Jose Canseco is going to catch a lot of hell for his book is because people think he is full of it. He hasn't been credible. He hasn't been a credible player. He is a snitch, which is the worst thing you can possibly be in the ironclad baseball fraternity," says Bryant.

"He's done a lot of things to offend a lot of people. On this subject, however, I believe he does have some credibility." Canseco's first stint in Oakland ended in 1992, when he was traded to the Texas Rangers. Among his new teammates were future American League MVPs Juan Gonzalez and Ivan Rodriguez, as well as Rafael Palmeiro, who played against Canseco when the two of them were youngsters growing up in Miami.

In his book, Canseco writes that he used anabolic steroids with all three players.

"In '92, you were traded to the Texas Rangers," says Wallace. "Did you teach your new teammates how to use steroids?"

"Yes. We spoke and educated three or four players there. ... Rafael Palmeiro, Juan Gonzalez, Ivan Rodriguez," says Canseco. "I injected them. Absolutely."

All three players have vehemently denied the allegations. Palmeiro's lawyer sent 60 Minutes a letter stating that: "Mr. Palmeiro categorically denies that he has ever engaged in illicit use of steroids or any substance banned by Major League Baseball."

Canseco spent three seasons in Texas, and then two in Boston, before rejoining McGwire at the Oakland A's in 1997. Another young player there at the time was Jason Giambi, who won the MVP award in 2000 and later went to the New York Yankees for a blockbuster $120 million, seven-year contract.

Canseco writes that Giambi was the most obvious steroid user in baseball. "We spoke about it quite in depth," says Canseco. "And you know, when I rejoined the team back in '97, we'd be working out, talking about it. You know, we’d go into clubhouses and do steroids. Bottom line."

He writes that "Giambi, McGwire, and I talked about steroids all the time."

"Especially in '97, yes. Especially when we were working out," says Canseco. "We talked about what each does."

"So you'd shoot up steroids and growth hormones with Jason Giambi as well," asks Wallace.

"Yes, Oh yeah," says Canseco. "I mean, it wasn't a big deal. It was common ground."

According to the San Francisco Chronicle, Giambi did admit to a federal grand jury that he had been using steroids at least since 2001. He told reporters last Thursday, about what Canseco said, "I think it's sad. I think it's delusional." In his book, Canseco contends that Major League Baseball’s establishment had to know of the growing use of illegal steroids. He alleges that the owners; Donald Fehr, the head of the players union; and Bud Selig, the game’s commissioner were all turning a blind eye.

"To me, Bud Selig, he’ll be defined by how this era is viewed in history. I mean, you are looking at a baseball establishment that has said that it wanted to get rid of steroids for 10 years, yet I don’t recall baseball ever doing a public service announcement saying to kids, 'Hey kids, don't do this. This is bad for you,'" says Bryant.

"I don’t recall baseball ever doing an independent investigation. They haven’t spent a penny, at least to my knowledge, to go out and investigate, and find out what’s going on with this steroid business."

Selig declined to talk to 60 Minutes. As for Canseco, he is unrepentant. And perhaps the most astonishing thing about his book, in the face of widespread medical evidence that the abuse of anabolic steroids causes serious health problems, is that he still endorses the use of steroids.

"I don’t recommend steroids for everyone, and I don’t recommend growth hormones for everyone," says Canseco. "But for certain individuals, I truly believe, because I’ve experimented with it for so many years, that it can make an average athlete a super athlete. It can make a super athlete --incredible. Just legendary."

Major League Baseball now has a new policy on players’ use of anabolic steroids. First offense is a 10-day suspension; by the fourth offense, it's a one-year suspension. And U.S. Olympic policy on steroids puts a two-year ban from all international competition for first offenders.



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