Congratulations Fidel!!

[kentuckyklira]

46 years ago today, Fidel Castro became Cuba´s leader.

Since then Cubans have had peace (when not under US attack), seen the end of virtual slavery, illiteracy and enjoy excellent health care.

Way to go, Fidel!:baaa:

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by kentuckyklira
46 years ago today, Fidel Castro became Cuba´s leader.

Since then Cubans have had peace (when not under US attack), seen the end of virtual slavery, illiteracy and enjoy excellent health care.

Way to go, Fidel!:baaa:

And an extensive reeducation system featuring extra-juditial killings, torture, and anti-democratic policies. He's merely a "fascist with a human face."

He's no better that Pinochet'.

[FORD]

I hope Fidel and Poppy Bush die on exactly the same day and Satan makes them roomates in Hell for all eternity.

With all the history there, you know it would be the best pairing since "The Odd Couple"

[Cathedral]

Originally posted by kentuckyklira
46 years ago today, Fidel Castro became Cuba´s leader.

Since then Cubans have had peace (when not under US attack), seen the end of virtual slavery, illiteracy and enjoy excellent health care.

Way to go, Fidel!:baaa:

Way to show some respect for the country that rebuilt yours after we kicked Hitlers ass.

You're welcome, asshole.

[kentuckyklira]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
And an extensive reeducation system featuring extra-juditial killings, torture, and anti-democratic policies. He's merely a "fascist with a human face."

He's no better that Pinochet'. I ´ll dare oppose your point of view. He´s a teddybear compared to Pinochet. Plus, Castro cares about his people, even if his methods might be dubious. Pinochet just cared about himself and his buddies!

[kentuckyklira]

Originally posted by Cathedral
Way to show some respect for the country that rebuilt yours after we kicked Hitlers ass.

You're welcome, asshole. History lesson for Cathedral,

we rebuilt our country ourself!

The USA provided the environment for it, but certainly not for altruistic reasons!

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by kentuckyklira
I ´ll dare oppose your point of view. He´s a teddybear compared to Pinochet. Plus, Castro cares about his people, even if his methods might be dubious. Pinochet just cared about himself and his buddies!

Most dictators can make the argument that they "care about their people!" Even Pol Pot and Hitler. He's still a meglamanical cunt that should just die so a truly democratic movement emerges that hopefully won't be hijacked by the rightist, Batista apologist Cuban assholes in Miami.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by kentuckyklira
History lesson for Cathedral,

we rebuilt our country ourself!

The USA provided the environment for it, but certainly not for altruistic reasons!

True dat'.

[kentuckyklira]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
Most dictators can make the argument that they "care about their people!" Even Pol Pot and Hitler. He's still a meglamanical cunt that should just die so a truly democratic movement emerges that hopefully won't be hijacked by the rightist, Batista apologist Cuban assholes in Miami. You meant megalomanical!

If he was, he´d have invaded some place or other. So far people have only tried to invade Cuba.

[FORD]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
Most dictators can make the argument that they "care about their people!" Even Pol Pot and Hitler.

Well, I'm not up to date on Cambodian history, but at least Adolf came up with the Autobahn and the VW. Doesn't excuse 12 million corpses, but he's already done more FOR his people than Junior has.

[ELVIS]

:rolleyes:

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by kentuckyklira
You meant megalomanical!

If he was, he´d have invaded some place or other. So far people have only tried to invade Cuba.

Thanks for the spelling correction, but I meant 'megalomaniacal cunt' actually. And he had significant numbers of troops in Angola, Grenada, much of Central America to export Revolution, and in the case of Angola, they were there to secure future oil rights. You can paint him as a revolutionary radical-chic all you want. But he's no better than many killers, despite his laudable social remaking of Cuba.

We can always extoll the virtues of the next Robespierre! But they are still tyrants even if they are bettering things in some ways.

[FORD]

Just a little reminder about ol' Fidel though....

He actually knocked on our doors first, begging the Eisenhower administration for help. The BCE-corporatist CIA advised Ike against it, because the corporations were doing well under the right wing repressive Batista regime.

Castro could have been a US ally, but the BCE slammed the door in his face. Kruschev seized the opportunity to get his foot in the door of the Western Hemisphere - which of course boosted the Cold War - and by extention the military industrial complex, so it was a win-win for the corporatists either way.

[Cathedral]

Originally posted by ELVIS
:rolleyes:

I'll second that :rolleyes:

[Angel]

Originally posted by kentuckyklira
46 years ago today, Fidel Castro became Cuba´s leader.

Since then Cubans have had peace (when not under US attack), seen the end of virtual slavery, illiteracy and enjoy excellent health care.

Way to go, Fidel!:baaa:

Cuba also has one of the best education systems.

I plan on visiting that fine country next year.

Be careful though Kentucky, they're very jealous that we can enjoy those fine white beaches, but they can't. ;)

[ELVIS]

Originally posted by Angel
Cuba also has one of the best education systems.



Is that why their MD's have to go back to school basically from scratch when they come here ??

[Angel]

I would imagine that it's for the same reasons that foreign doctors coming to Canada have to do the same, unless they are from the USA, or a nation that is a member of the Commonwealth.

I should have stipulated I'm only talking about primary and secondary education. I don't know enough about their post-secondary system to be able to comment on it.

[ELVIS]

What exactly do you know about their primary and secondary education systems ??

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Angel
Cuba also has one of the best education systems.

I plan on visiting that fine country next year.

Be careful though Kentucky, they're very jealous that we can enjoy those fine white beaches, but they can't. ;)

What good is education if you can't use your ideas learned to express an opinion?

What good is reading if the book shops are bear?

[Little_Skittles]

Cuba ain't so bad....fidel is actually pretty good and guys our government must think so too coz we trading with them.

[FORD]

Originally posted by ELVIS
Is that why their MD's have to go back to school basically from scratch when they come here ??

Any doctor from a foreign country has to do that. My dad's doctor was a practicing MD in China and when he moved to America, he had to go back to school all over again.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Little_Skittles
Cuba ain't so bad....fidel is actually pretty good and guys our government must think so too coz we trading with them.

No, actually we are not trading with them. The anti-Castro Cuban lobby prevents us from selling our goods to Cuba as part of a stupid embargo.

The irony here is that if we actually did send our goods to the 'Socialist Paradise,' Castro's regime would collapse like East Germany's did the minute it was not propped up by the Russians.

They don't know how much fun capitalism really is. But then again, it seems like we NEED Castro as a bogeyman, and to cause a destabilization by dying so we can sweep in and dominate the country when it is in turmoil as opposed to a Cuba that maintains independence by a gradual transitioning to democracy.

[Little_Skittles]

WHAT? We aren't trading with them? excuse me my local paper just ran an ad that said kansas wheat going to cuba don't even say we trading with them. I want some cuban cigars for my wheat.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Little_Skittles
WHAT? We aren't trading with them? excuse me my local paper just ran an ad that said kansas wheat going to cuba don't even say we trading with them. I want some cuban cigars for my wheat.

Cuban cigars are highly illegal (and much coveted). The wheat you are talking about being traded, and you are right, was a highly controversial deal I believe (if past events are indicative). But it was politically justified as food probably, but we do not send Cuba any consumer goods. Have you seen the cars they drive? It's like a scene from GREASE or HAPPY DAYS for Christ's sakes!

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by FORD
Just a little reminder about ol' Fidel though....

He actually knocked on our doors first, begging the Eisenhower administration for help. The BCE-corporatist CIA advised Ike against it, because the corporations were doing well under the right wing repressive Batista regime.

Castro could have been a US ally, but the BCE slammed the door in his face. Kruschev seized the opportunity to get his foot in the door of the Western Hemisphere - which of course boosted the Cold War - and by extention the military industrial complex, so it was a win-win for the corporatists either way.

That is true. Cuba is much like Vietnam in that sense.

[diamondD]

Cuban cigars aren't that great. I don't see what the big fuss is about them. And I really don't understand how anyone could call Cuba a fine country without admitting they are an admirer of Communism. :rolleyes:

[Anonymous]

Originally posted by kentuckyklira
I ´ll dare oppose your point of view. He´s a teddybear compared to Pinochet. Plus, Castro cares about his people, even if his methods might be dubious. Pinochet just cared about himself and his buddies!

That's why so many cubans try to escape to the US...

Cheers! :bottle:

[kentuckyklira]

Originally posted by Angel
Cuba also has one of the best education systems.

I plan on visiting that fine country next year.

Be careful though Kentucky, they're very jealous that we can enjoy those fine white beaches, but they can't. ;) Jealous, how can that be??:confused:

After all, they live in the "Land of the Free" and we don´t!:(

;)




:D

[kentuckyklira]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
What good is education if you can't use your ideas learned to express an opinion?

What good is reading if the book shops are bear? You are allowed to express your opinion in Cuba.

But if you do so in the name of a US funded organisation then you go to jail and that´s OK with me. I mean US administrations have supported torrorist actions against Cuban civilians in the past, as well as attempts to assassinate Cuba´s leaders.

I doubt American´s "Freedom of Speech" is so free that they could accept funding by Al Qaeda unpunished!

[kentuckyklira]

Originally posted by ImapusSylicker
That's why so many cubans try to escape to the US...

Cheers! :bottle: Ever consider that Cubans could be "escaping" Cuba for the same reasons Mexicans are "escaping" Mexico, Guatemalans are "escaping" Guatemala etc. etc. etc.??

Get rid of your bias and we might have ourself a real discussion!

[BigBadBrian]

Originally posted by Angel

Be careful though Kentucky, they're very jealous that we can enjoy those fine white beaches, but they can't. ;)

Careful Angel, or you'll wind being "rescued" and put in a tank at SeaWorld. :gulp:

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by kentuckyklira
You are allowed to express your opinion in Cuba.


Right before Cuban intelligence (the DGI?) knocks on your door. There's an informer on every block. You suffer some form of retaliation for speaking out against "Napoleon's" regime (Check my sig!)


But if you do so in the name of a US funded organisation then you go to jail and that´s OK with me. I mean US administrations have supported torrorist actions against Cuban civilians in the past, as well as attempts to assassinate Cuba´s leaders.

It is true the CIA and mafia have tried to "off" Castro and even tried to make his hair/beard fall out with a "special cigar." But I can tell you that Cuban Intelligence is one of the world's most ruthless (and in many ways effective) organizations. Does that justify clamps on freedom of speech? I hardly think so.

And most Cuban's get money from relatives in America. Should they be jailed also?


I doubt American´s "Freedom of Speech" is so free that they could accept funding by Al Qaeda unpunished!

Actually many believe Islamic "Charities" with ties to al-Qaida still operate in the US and W. Europe. One was even involved in a political correctness issue involving the show "24" in which Kieffer Sutherland had to make a disclaimer that "American Muslims are not terrorists and stand..."

[diamondD]

Then why do they oppose Castro once they are here and the Mexicans don't oppose their government at all? Mexicans come here to make money and send home. Cubans come here and would love to return back home, but not until Castro is gone.

[kentuckyklira]

Originally posted by diamondD
Then why do they oppose Castro once they are here and the Mexicans don't oppose their government at all? Mexicans come here to make money and send home. Cubans come here and would love to return back home, but not until Castro is gone. Because if a Cuban comes to the USA and says, "hi, I´m here to earn some money and then go back home" he´ll be treated like any other illegal immigrant, but if he says, "hooray, freedom at last, I hope Fidel rots in hell" he´ll be greeted with open arms!

Mexicans and others don´t have those options, if they did what do you think they´d be saying once they make it across the border!!

[diamondD]

I said they send their money back home. From the exploding populations I am seeing starting to settle in this far north of the border, they aren't planning on returning anytime soon. Most Cubans want to see their government overthrown. Why is that?

[Dr. Love]

I see some Germans still like the idea of ruthless totalitarianism.

[ODShowtime]

Originally posted by Angel
Cuba also has one of the best education systems.

I plan on visiting that fine country next year.

Be careful though Kentucky, they're very jealous that we can enjoy those fine white beaches, but they can't. ;)

You don't even have any decent beaches you dumb canuck. That's why you guys were infesting Florida when I was down there yesterday.

[ODShowtime]

Originally posted by BigBadBrian
Careful Angel, or you'll wind being "rescued" and put in a tank at SeaWorld. :gulp:


Congrats! THAT was funny!!!:D :D

[Angel]

Originally posted by ODShowtime
You don't even have any decent beaches you dumb canuck. That's why you guys were infesting Florida when I was down there yesterday.

Who's the dumb one? I'm talking about beaches in Cuba, stupid. By the way, when I'm at the beach this summer, I'll be sure to make sure to tell everyone that it's not really a beach, just a mirage. ;)

[BITEYOASS]

"I kill communists for fun"-Tony Montana :D

[Little_Skittles]

Originally posted by Angel
Who's the dumb one? I'm talking about beaches in Cuba, stupid. By the way, when I'm at the beach this summer, I'll be sure to make sure to tell everyone that it's not really a beach, just a mirage. ;)



i wanna hear about your visit to cuba.

[The Scatologist]

Man Fidel is like Keith Richards. He's like never gonna die even though we're all waiting for him to. (In a how long can a guy keep going kind of way)

[Little_Skittles]

Death is a part of us all but he just keeps in better shape than most people these days. See living in a poor country has it's benefits.....

[ODShowtime]

Originally posted by Angel
Who's the dumb one? I'm talking about beaches in Cuba, stupid. By the way, when I'm at the beach this summer, I'll be sure to make sure to tell everyone that it's not really a beach, just a mirage. ;)

Normally a retort that clearly shows a lack of understanding would be ignored by me, but I don't want you thinking you got the best of me. So I'll explain to you what I meant.

You were making fun of Americans for not having the luxury :rolleyes: of enjoying Cuban beaches. My reply was meant to inform you that nobody in the US gives a fuck because we are surrounded by miles of pristine beaches of our own, and don't need to resort to patronizing repressive communist countries just to take a dip.

Comprende?

[BigBadBrian]

Originally posted by ODShowtime
Normally a retort that clearly shows a lack of understanding would be ignored by me, but I don't want you thinking you got the best of me. So I'll explain to you what I meant.

You were making fun of Americans for not having the luxury :rolleyes: of enjoying Cuban beaches. My reply was meant to inform you that nobody in the US gives a fuck because we are surrounded by miles of pristine beaches of our own, and don't need to resort to patronizing repressive communist countries just to take a dip.

Comprende?

Indeed. Besides, I could think of better places to go in the Carribean for beaches besides CUBA.

I have a friend who lives here with foreign citizenship and he goes to Cuba via Mexico only for the pussy. Is that why you go also, Angel? :D

[Nickdfresh]

I for one would love to visit Cuba, after Castro dies (hopefully soon) and increasing political liberalization takes place. When they have elections with more than one candidate to vote for that is.

I've known people who have visited Cuba, and said it was enjoyable but odd. I guess they play American TV shows, but one's that focus on the grim, crime ridded exaggerations like the show "Kojak."

"Ay...who loves ya' baby?"
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[Angel]

Originally posted by BigBadBrian
Indeed. Besides, I could think of better places to go in the Carribean for beaches besides CUBA.

I have a friend who lives here with foreign citizenship and he goes to Cuba via Mexico only for the pussy. Is that why you go also, Angel? :D

I go because I know none of you guys can! ;)

[Angel]

Originally posted by Little_Skittles
i wanna hear about your visit to cuba.

That's next year's winter vacation. This year, we went North.