German jobless rate at new record

[BigBadBrian]

German jobless rate at new record

BBC


Unemployment in Germany is at record levels

More than 5.2 million Germans were out of work in February, new figures show.
The figure of 5.216 million people, or 12.6% of the working-age population, is the highest jobless rate in Europe's biggest economy since the 1930s.

The news comes as the head of Germany's panel of government economic advisers predicted growth would again stagnate.

Speaking on German TV, Bert Ruerup said the panel's earlier forecast of 1.4% was too optimistic and warned growth would be just 1% in 2005.

"Do something!"

The growth warning triggered anger even from government supporters, who said the Social Democrat-Green administration of Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder had to do more.

"We are not going to create more jobs with growth of 1%," Harald Schartau, head of the Social Democrats in the northern state of North Rhine-Westphalia, told ZDF television.

"We say to our friends in Berlin, you have to persevere and create more impulse for growth."

Many German newspapers had the figures a day ahead, splashing them with angry headlines on Tuesday morning.


Mr Schroeder has staked his career on labour reforms
The mass-market Bild tabloid used red type to splash the phrase, "Do something!" across its front page.



http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39991000/jpg/_39991424_schroederap.jpg
Anger



The German government insists its efforts to tackle the stubbornly-high levels of joblessness with a range of labour market reforms are only just getting under way.

The core is the "Hartz-IV" programme introduced in January to shake up welfare benefits and push people back into work - even if some of the jobs are heavily subsidised.

According to the Federal Labour Office, the changes have contributed to the rise in the official unemployment rate.

Some three quarters of February's 180,000 additions to the jobless total were the result of January's reclassification, it said - although it acknowledged the weak economy and cold weather hitting the construction industry were also to blame.

Different numbers

Still, some measures suggest the picture is not quite so bleak.

For one thing, January's reclassification boosted the jobless total by more than 500,000 that month, as many benefit claimants were added to the list for the first time thanks to the new rules.

Moreover, adjustments for seasonal changes give an overall unemployment level of 4.875 million people or 11.7% - admittedly up 0.3 percentage points from the previous month.

And the most internationally-accepted methodology, designed by the International Labour Organisation (ILO), says Germany had 3.97 million people out of work in January.

The ILO defines an unemployed person as someone who in the previous four weeks had actively looked for work they could take up immediately.

ILO-based figures also suggest that 14,000 new net jobs were created that month, taking the number of people employed to 38.9 million.

[BigBadBrian]

kentuckyklira, the US unemployment rate is what? ;)

[BigBadBrian]

I'm surprised legal prostitution as pointed out in this thread (http://www.rotharmy.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=16382&highlight=prostitute) hasn't solved the unemployment problem. What the fuck? :confused: :D

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by BigBadBrian
kentuckyklira, the US unemployment rate is what? ;)

That's not a fair comparison and you know it! The US authorities, in their infinite wisdom, no longer consider anyone unemployed once their benefits run out. In Germany, their benefits NEVER run out!

[DavidLeeNatra]

they changed some statistics with the new HARZ IV program and that made the numbers higher...but we really have a serious problem here...more than 5 mio is too much

[Vivian Campbell]

Originally posted by BigBadBrian
German jobless rate at new record

Maybe they can all be hookers


LMAO!!

[Cathedral]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
That's not a fair comparison and you know it! The US authorities, in their infinite wisdom, no longer consider anyone unemployed once their benefits run out. In Germany, their benefits NEVER run out!

Um, if the benefits never run out, where is the incentive to get up and go find a job?
That could be compounding the problem don't you think?

Maybe they need to put a time limit on them. For one thing it will save the government money that could possibly be used to create more jobs.

[Vivian Campbell]

They need to radically lower taxes, phase out unemployment over a year, halt immigration, and most importantly of all, DEREGULATE!

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Cathedral
Um, if the benefits never run out, where is the incentive to get up and go find a job?
That could be compounding the problem don't you think?

Maybe they need to put a time limit on them. For one thing it will save the government money that could possibly be used to create more jobs.

Regardless as to how you feel about indefinite unemployment benefits, the point is that the US way of counting the unemployed is flawed and leads to a comically low unemployment figure. So they cannot be used as a comparison with most major, industrialized nations.

[academic punk]

You ever notice how arrogant the customer service peole are who are here in America? 4 out of 5 times the person has an accent like a reject from Hee-Haw and a bitchy attitude (the men moreso than the women!)

Give me Korean tech support anyday. 10,000,000,000 times more courteous.

OUTSOURCING - at least in this regard - RULES!!!

[ODShowtime]

Originally posted by BigBadBrian
I'm surprised legal prostitution as pointed out in this thread (http://www.rotharmy.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=16382&highlight=prostitute) hasn't solved the unemployment problem. What the fuck? :confused: :D

BBB BAIT

[Big Train]

It's a global economy, bitches.....

Weakness in the dollar means less spending power, which means industrial nations like Germany, or the EU if you will, get burned because they have too much stuff and nobody to sell it too.

Their way of handling their workers just compounds the problems.

[Cathedral]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
Regardless as to how you feel about indefinite unemployment benefits, the point is that the US way of counting the unemployed is flawed and leads to a comically low unemployment figure. So they cannot be used as a comparison with most major, industrialized nations.

I wasn't talking about the US, I was referring to Germany's issues.

But as far as the US goes, this country is full of lazy people who try all means possible to get a free ride.
And if you want a true record of who's working and who isn't just count the Social Security numbers that are paying into the system.
It's a deduction on every paycheck, and for those who use 1099's just match them with the annual 1099's collected in April.

Those who work under the table aren't paying into the system and should not be counted.

Then, you compare those numbers against the S.S. numbers that aren't paying into the system and there ya go, you know how many people aren't working, or aren't working legally.

The US government has a habit of taking the longest way around an issue and spending the most money they can taking their time doing it.
And if accuracy isn't a goal, whats the point?
Or maybe that was your point, lol.

[JCOOK]

Hey Germany why not fire up the ovens and trains again, There are plenty of anti-semites who would pay you to off some jews so they don't have to blow themselves or their children up,....Now thats' outsourcing!

[kentuckyklira]

Originally posted by BigBadBrian
German jobless rate at new record

Some three quarters of February's 180,000 additions to the jobless total were the result of January's reclassification, it said - although it acknowledged the weak economy and cold weather hitting the construction industry were also to blame.

Different numbers

Still, some measures suggest the picture is not quite so bleak.

For one thing, January's reclassification boosted the jobless total by more than 500,000 that month, as many benefit claimants were added to the list for the first time thanks to the new rules.

Moreover, adjustments for seasonal changes give an overall unemployment level of 4.875 million people or 11.7% - admittedly up 0.3 percentage points from the previous month.

And the most internationally-accepted methodology, designed by the International Labour Organisation (ILO), says Germany had 3.97 million people out of work in January.

The ILO defines an unemployed person as someone who in the previous four weeks had actively looked for work they could take up immediately.

ILO-based figures also suggest that 14,000 new net jobs were created that month, taking the number of people employed to 38.9 million.


There, I edited that for you and underlined the most important parts!

No need to say thank you,

you´re welcome!

[kentuckyklira]

Originally posted by BigBadBrian
kentuckyklira, the US unemployment rate is what? ;)

Compare the methods of classification in the USA and Germany,

then come back!

[kentuckyklira]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
That's not a fair comparison and you know it! The US authorities, in their infinite wisdom, no longer consider anyone unemployed once their benefits run out. In Germany, their benefits NEVER run out! In a nutshell,

THE PLAIN AND SIMPLE TRUTH!

Consider yourself owned!

[kentuckyklira]

Originally posted by Cathedral
Um, if the benefits never run out, where is the incentive to get up and go find a job?
That could be compounding the problem don't you think?

Maybe they need to put a time limit on them. For one thing it will save the government money that could possibly be used to create more jobs. Don´t think the benefits are that high.

They get radically cut if you get offered a job and don´t take it. Believe me, all that´s left then is the rent for a small appartment, some basic food and a cake of soap!

[BigBadBrian]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
That's not a fair comparison and you know it!

Wah. Wah. Wah. Cry me a fucking river. Get a fucking life, you Socialist apologist bum. :gulp:

[kentuckyklira]

Originally posted by BigBadBrian
Wah. Wah. Wah. Cry me a fucking river. Get a fucking life, you Socialist apologist bum. :gulp: Considering it´s something like 7 am or earlier in the USA (depending on time zone) and you´re spending that time of day in front of a computer monitor, I´d say you´re in need of a life!

[Warham]

The US Unemployment rate is now 5.2%...more favorably comparable to Clinton's best years...you know, when there was no poverty or homeless people.

Clinton's Unemployment rate for his eight years in office was 5.2%.

[kentuckyklira]

Originally posted by Warham
The US Unemployment rate is now 5.2%...comparable to Clinton's best years...you know, when there was no poverty or homeless people. You didn´t really understand Nick´s post, did you?

[Warham]

Just answering a question you won't answer, Kentuckyhick.

[BigBadBrian]

Originally posted by kentuckyklira
In a nutshell,

THE PLAIN AND SIMPLE TRUTH!

Consider yourself owned!

Owned? The only thing I own is a brain that works...unlike yourself.

Nick is simply mistaken....as usual. People who have unemployment benefits run out are not considered to be employed concerning national employment statistics in the US.

Your Socialist System, no matter what type of counting you want to use (you can count on your toes if you wish, it's a system you're probably more familiar with), simply does not provide as many jobs for your populace as does ours. Europe's jobless rate consistently hovers in the double digits.

Now, I would say I "own" you, but I don't participate in such a silly-assed, child-like custom. :p

:gulp:

[kentuckyklira]

Originally posted by Warham
Just answering a question you won't answer, Kentuckyhick. And I was just stating the obvious!

[kentuckyklira]

Originally posted by BigBadBrian
Owned? The only thing I own is a brain that works...unlike yourself.

Nick is simply mistaken....as usual. People who have unemployment benefits run out are not considered to be employed concerning national employment statistics in the US.

Your Socialist System, no matter what type of counting you want to use (you can count on your toes if you wish, it's a system you're probably more familiar with), simply does not provide as many jobs for your populace as does ours. Europe's jobless rate consistently hovers in the double digits.

Now, I would say I "own" you, but I don't participate in such a silly-assed, child-like custom. :p

:gulp: Nick is correct, unless things have changed in the past few eeks. The US method of classification leaves out lots of people who our system considers unemployed.

Since your brain works so well, you might as well google it. I´m certain that´s not asking too much of such a mental athlete as yourself!

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Cathedral
I wasn't talking about the US, I was referring to Germany's issues.

But as far as the US goes, this country is full of lazy people who try all means possible to get a free ride.



Yeah, I know what you mean, lazy pricks that hardly ever show up at their job!
http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/Globe_Photo/2003/12/18/1071776016_9159.jpg

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by BigBadBrian
Wah. Wah. Wah. Cry me a fucking river. Get a fucking life, you Socialist apologist bum. :gulp:

Do I have to break out the Demoncunt BBB spanking picture?:D

[BigBadBrian]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
[B]Yeah, I know what you mean, lazy pricks that hardly ever show up at their job!


Nick, with 44.69 posts a day and supposedly working, you shouldn't say much.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by BigBadBrian
Nick, with 44.69 posts a day and supposedly working, you shouldn't say much.

Most of those posts were built up from a while ago. I bet you post more than I do here daily!

[Warham]

That's doubtful.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by BigBadBrian
Owned? The only thing I own is a brain that works...unlike yourself.

Nick is simply mistaken....as usual. People who have unemployment benefits run out are not considered to be employed concerning national employment statistics in the US.

:gulp:

Yes they are. They are effectively DROPPED from the unemployment roll once benefits run out after six months.

[Warham]

Who is not in the labor force?

Labor force measures are based on the civilian noninstitutional population 16 years old and over. Excluded are persons under 16 years of age, all inmates of institutions and persons on active duty in the Armed Forces. All other members of the civilian noninstitutional population are eligible for inclusion in the labor force, and those 16 and over who have a job or are actively looking for one are so classified. The remainder--those who have no job and are not looking for one--are counted as "not in the labor force." Many who do not participate in the labor force are going to school or are retired. Family responsibilities keep others out of the labor force. Still others have a physical or mental disability which prevents them from participating in labor force activities.

A series of questions is asked each month of persons not in the labor force to obtain information about their desire for work, the reasons why they had not looked for work in the last 4 weeks, their prior job search, and their availability for work. These questions include: 1. Do you currently want a job, either full or part time? 2. What is the main reason you were not looking for work during the LAST 4 WEEKS? 3. Did you look for work at any time during the last 12 months? 4. LAST WEEK, could you have started a job if one had been offered?

These questions form the basis for estimating the number of persons who are not in the labor force but who are considered to be "marginally attached" to it. These are persons without jobs who are not currently looking for work (and therefore not counted as unemployed), but who nevertheless have demonstrated some degree of labor force attachment. Specifically, to be counted as "marginally attached," individuals must indicate that they currently want a job, have looked for work in the last 12 months (or since they last worked if they worked within the last 12 months), and are available for work. "Discouraged workers" are a subset of the marginally attached. "Discouraged workers" report they are not currently looking for work for at least one of 4 reasons: 1) they believe no job is available to them in their line of work or area, 2) they had previously been unable to find work, 3) they lack the necessary schooling, training, skills or experience, or 4) employers think they are too young or too old, or they face some other type of discrimination.

Additional questions about persons not in the labor force are asked during each household's last month of its 4-month tenure in the sample rotation pattern. These questions are designed to collect information about why these people left their previous jobs, when they last worked at a job or business, whether they intend to look for work in the near future, and their current situation (retired, disabled, ill, in school, taking care of house or family, or something else).

http://www.bls.gov/cps/cps_htgm.htm

[kentuckyklira]

Originally posted by Warham
Who is not in the labor force?

Labor force measures are based on the civilian noninstitutional population 16 years old and over. Excluded are persons under 16 years of age, all inmates of institutions and persons on active duty in the Armed Forces. All other members of the civilian noninstitutional population are eligible for inclusion in the labor force, and those 16 and over who have a job or are actively looking for one are so classified. The remainder--those who have no job and are not looking for one--are counted as "not in the labor force." Many who do not participate in the labor force are going to school or are retired. Family responsibilities keep others out of the labor force. Still others have a physical or mental disability which prevents them from participating in labor force activities.

A series of questions is asked each month of persons not in the labor force to obtain information about their desire for work, the reasons why they had not looked for work in the last 4 weeks, their prior job search, and their availability for work. These questions include: 1. Do you currently want a job, either full or part time? 2. What is the main reason you were not looking for work during the LAST 4 WEEKS? 3. Did you look for work at any time during the last 12 months? 4. LAST WEEK, could you have started a job if one had been offered?

These questions form the basis for estimating the number of persons who are not in the labor force but who are considered to be "marginally attached" to it. These are persons without jobs who are not currently looking for work (and therefore not counted as unemployed), but who nevertheless have demonstrated some degree of labor force attachment. Specifically, to be counted as "marginally attached," individuals must indicate that they currently want a job, have looked for work in the last 12 months (or since they last worked if they worked within the last 12 months), and are available for work. "Discouraged workers" are a subset of the marginally attached. "Discouraged workers" report they are not currently looking for work for at least one of 4 reasons: 1) they believe no job is available to them in their line of work or area, 2) they had previously been unable to find work, 3) they lack the necessary schooling, training, skills or experience, or 4) employers think they are too young or too old, or they face some other type of discrimination.

Additional questions about persons not in the labor force are asked during each household's last month of its 4-month tenure in the sample rotation pattern. These questions are designed to collect information about why these people left their previous jobs, when they last worked at a job or business, whether they intend to look for work in the near future, and their current situation (retired, disabled, ill, in school, taking care of house or family, or something else).

http://www.bls.gov/cps/cps_htgm.htm If you had actually read that you would notice that it proves Nick´s and my point!:p

[diamondD]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
Most of those posts were built up from a while ago. I bet you post more than I do here daily!

I bet you're wrong.


Yesterday you posted 51x.

Brian posted 21x.



Get your ass to work! ;)

[Warham]

Originally posted by kentuckyklira
If you had actually read that you would notice that it proves Nick´s and my point!:p

And your point has no point.

[Warham]

Originally posted by diamondD
I bet you're wrong.


Yesterday you posted 51x.

Brian posted 21x.



Get your ass to work! ;)

Nick can't say anyone posts more than he does.

He's currently on pace to set a world record for posting frequency on one message board.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by diamondD
I bet you're wrong.


Yesterday you posted 51x.

Brian posted 21x.



Get your ass to work! ;)

Most of those posts were after work (I'm home by 3:00PM EST/11:00 GMT). And the day before I posted 17x, yesterday was a "heavy day." I made a total of three posts at work by my count.

BTW, I am not earning 200K a year with lucrative speaking engagements coming my way three years. I wonder how rich Clinton is by now, he's made more than enough to pay off his legal bills and to have a nice retirement fund.

[Warham]

Clinton says he's rich and needs to pay more taxes.

He can donate money to the federal government any time he likes if he thinks he's not giving enough, but somehow I doubt he will.

[ODShowtime]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
That's not a fair comparison and you know it! The US authorities, in their infinite wisdom, no longer consider anyone unemployed once their benefits run out. In Germany, their benefits NEVER run out!


Originally posted by kentuckyklira
In a nutshell,

THE PLAIN AND SIMPLE TRUTH!

Consider yourself owned!

Sometimes I think these guys don't understand that you can't compare apples to oranges.

Remember, gw&friends reclassified unemployment so jobs like this are considered "fully employed"

[Warham]

Something wrong with working at McDonald's OD?

[ODShowtime]

Originally posted by Warham
Something wrong with working at McDonald's OD?

Not inherently, although I think it would suck. But I don't think you'll argue that 4 years ago people looking for a job that settled for McD's were still considered unemployed and now they're not. Because of gw's shell game.

[Warham]

If you are working, you aren't unemployed. I think that's in the dictionary somewhere.

If that's been changed in the last few years, good!

[ODShowtime]

Originally posted by Warham
If you are working, you aren't unemployed. I think that's in the dictionary somewhere.

If that's been changed in the last few years, good!

Great, and technically, that poor Terry Shiavo vegetable person in Florida is alive. But I wouldn't call that living.

Just like if I was trying to get an Internal Auditor job paying $25 an hour and had to settle for frying goddamn french fries all day (which I've fucking done) for $8 an hour, I don't think they equal up.

[Warham]

She's technically not a vegetable, OD.

It'd be considered torture if they removed her feeding tube. Imagine the uproar if we didn't feed a terrorist we had held in Guantanamo Bayfor five to seven days! Oh the liberals would be shouting to high heaven to stop the madness.

[Seshmeister]

I hear Terry Shiavo is gonna run for governor of Texas...

[ODShowtime]

Originally posted by Warham
She's technically not a vegetable, OD.

It'd be considered torture if they removed her feeding tube. Imagine the uproar if we didn't feed a terrorist we had held in Guantanamo Bayfor five to seven days! Oh the liberals would be shouting to high heaven to stop the madness.

stay on track now junkyard. We're talking about unemployment. She was just an example...

[Warham]

I'm jumping tracks as much as you guys do from topic to topic.

You brought her into this, now expect for me to comment on her.

If anybody is a 'junkyard' it's you.

[academic punk]

Can we talk about the women's volleyball championships in Roanoke? It's a topic I find most compelling. Thanks!

[ODShowtime]

Originally posted by academic punk
Can we talk about the women's volleyball championships in Roanoke? It's a topic I find most compelling. Thanks!

I like when they jump around.

[ODShowtime]

Originally posted by Warham
I'm jumping tracks as much as you guys do from topic to topic.

You brought her into this, now expect for me to comment on her.

If anybody is a 'junkyard' it's you.

my mind is a junkyard

[Warham]

Originally posted by ODShowtime
my mind is a junkyard

Admitting your problem is the first step.

Heh

:D