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LoungeMachine
03-06-2005, 11:49 AM
Rule Change Lets CIA Freely Send Suspects Overseas
Allowed to Act Without Case-by-Case Approval From the White House or Justice Dept.

By DOUGLAS JEHL and DAVID JOHNSTON, The New York Times

WASHINGTON - The Bush administration's secret program to transfer suspected terrorists to foreign countries for interrogation has been carried out by the Central Intelligence Agency under broad authority that has allowed it to act without case-by-case approval from the White House or the State or Justice Departments, according to current and former government officials.

The unusually expansive authority for the C.I.A. to operate independently was provided by the White House under a still-classified directive signed by President Bush within days of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks at the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, the officials said.

The process, known as rendition, has been central in the government's efforts to disrupt terrorism, but has been bitterly criticized by human rights groups on grounds that the practice has violated the Bush administration's public pledge to provide safeguards against torture.

In providing a detailed description of the program, a senior United States official said that it had been aimed only at those suspected of knowing about terrorist operations, and emphasized that the C.I.A. had gone to great lengths to ensure that they were detained under humane conditions and not tortured.


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The official would not discuss any legal directive under which the agency operated, but said that the "C.I.A. has existing authorities to lawfully conduct these operations."

The official declined to be named but agreed to discuss the program to rebut the assertions that the United States used the program to secretly send people to other countries for the purpose of torture. The transfers were portrayed as an alternative to what American officials have said is the costly, manpower-intensive process of housing them in the United States or in American-run facilities in other countries.

In recent weeks, several former detainees have described being subjected to coercive interrogation techniques and brutal treatment during months spent in detention under the program in Egypt and other countries. The official would not discuss specific cases, but did not dispute that there had been instances in which prisoners were mistreated. The official said none had died.

The official said the C.I.A.'s inspector general was reviewing the rendition program as one of at least a half-dozen inquiries within the agency of possible misconduct involving the detention, interrogation and rendition of suspected terrorists.

In public, the Bush administration has refused to confirm that the rendition program exists, saying only in response to questions about it that the United States did not hand over people to face torture. The official refused to say how many prisoners had been transferred as part of the program. But former government officials say that since the Sept. 11 attacks, the C.I.A. has flown 100 to 150 suspected terrorists from one foreign country to another, including to Egypt, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Pakistan.

Each of those countries has been identified by the State Department as habitually using torture in its prisons. But the official said that guidelines enforced within the C.I.A. require that no transfer take place before the receiving country provides assurances that the prisoner will be treated humanely, and that United States personnel are assigned to monitor compliance.





"We get assurances, we check on those assurances, and we double-check on these assurances to make sure that people are being handled properly in respect to human rights," the official said. The official said that compliance had been "very high" but added, "Nothing is 100 percent unless we're sitting there staring at them 24 hours a day."

It has long been known that the C.I.A. has held a small group of high-ranking leaders of Al Qaeda in secret sites overseas, and that the United States military continues to detain hundreds of suspected terrorists at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, and in Afghanistan. The rendition program was intended to augment those operations, according to former government officials, by allowing the United States to gain intelligence from the interrogations of the prisoners, most of whom were sent to their countries of birth or citizenship.

Before Sept. 11, the C.I.A. had been authorized by presidential directives to carry out renditions, but under much more restrictive rules. In most instances in the past, the transfers of individual prisoners required review and approval by interagency groups led by the White House, and were usually authorized to bring prisoners to the United States or to other countries to face criminal charges.

As part of its broad new latitude, current and former government officials say, the C.I.A. has been authorized to transfer prisoners to other countries solely for the purpose of detention and interrogation.

The covert transfers by the C.I.A. have faced sharp criticism, in part because of the accounts provided by former prisoners who say they were beaten, shackled, humiliated, subjected to electric shocks, and otherwise mistreated during their long detention in foreign prisons before being released without being charged. Those accounts include cases like the following:

¶Maher Arar, a Syrian-born Canadian, who was detained at Kennedy Airport two weeks after the Sept. 11 attacks and transported to Syria, where he said he was subjected to beatings. A year later he was released without being charged with any crime.

¶Khaled el-Masri, a Lebanese-born German who was pulled from a bus on the Serbia-Macedonia border in December 2003 and flown to Afghanistan, where he said he was beaten and drugged. He was released five months later without being charged with a crime.

¶Mamdouh Habib, an Egyptian-born Australian who was arrested in Pakistan several weeks after the 2001 attacks. He was moved to Egypt, Afghanistan and finally Guantánamo. During his detention, Mr. Habib said he was beaten, humiliated and subjected to electric shocks. He was released after 40 months without being charged.

In the most explicit statement of the administration's policies, Alberto R. Gonzales, then the White House counsel, said in written Congressional testimony in January that "the policy of the United States is not to transfer individuals to countries where we believe they likely will be tortured, whether those individuals are being transferred from inside or outside the United States." Mr. Gonzales said then that he was "not aware of anyone in the executive branch authorizing any transfer of a detainee in violation of that policy."

Administration officials have said that approach is consistent with American obligations under the Convention Against Torture, the international agreement that bars signatories from engaging in extreme interrogation techniques. But in interviews, a half-dozen current and former government officials said they believed that, in practice, the administration's approach may have involved turning a blind eye to torture. One former senior government official who was assured that no one was being mistreated said that accumulation of abuse accounts was disturbing. "I really wonder what they were doing, and I am no longer sure what I believe," said the official, who was briefed periodically about the rendition program.

In Congressional testimony last month, the director of central intelligence, Porter J. Goss, acknowledged that the United States had only a limited capacity to enforce promises that detainees would be treated humanely. "We have a responsibility of trying to ensure that they are properly treated, and we try and do the best we can to guarantee that," Mr. Goss said of the prisoners that the United States had transferred to the custody of other countries. "But of course once they're out of our control, there's only so much we can do. But we do have an accountability program for those situations."

The practice of transporting a prisoner from one country to another, without formal extradition proceedings, has been used by the government for years. George J. Tenet, the former director of central intelligence, has testified that there were 70 cases before the Sept. 11 attacks, authorized by the White House. About 20 of those cases involved people brought to the United States to stand trial under informal arrangements with the country in which the suspects were captured.

Since Sept. 11, however, it has been used much more widely and has had more expansive guidelines, because of the broad authorizations that the White House has granted to the C.I.A. under legal opinions and a series of amendments to Presidential Decision Directives that remain classified. The officials said that most of the people subject to rendition were regarded by counterterrorism experts as less significant than people held under direct American control, including the estimated three dozen high ranking operatives of Al Qaeda who are confined at secret sites around the world.

The Pentagon has also transferred some prisoners to foreign custody, handing over 62 prisoners to Pakistan, Morocco, Saudi Arabia and Kuwait, among other countries, from the American prison in Guantánamo Bay, in actions that it has publicly acknowledged. In some of those cases, a senior Defense Department official said in an interview on Friday, the transfers were for the purpose of prosecution and trials, but others were intended solely for the purpose of detention. Those four countries, as well Egypt, Jordan and Syria, were among those identified in a State Department human rights report released last week as practicing torture in their prisons.

In an interview, the senior official defended renditions as one among several important tools in counterterrorism efforts. "The intelligence obtained by those rendered, detained and interrogated have disrupted terrorist operations," the official said. "It has saved lives in the United States and abroad, and it has resulted in the capture of other terrorists."












03-06-05 07:58 EST

Copyright © 2005 The New York Times Company.

Warham
03-06-2005, 11:55 AM
Doesn't seem too secret if folks are writing articles about the process, does it?

LoungeMachine
03-06-2005, 11:57 AM
Originally posted by Warham
Doesn't seem too secret if folks are writing articles about the process, does it?

Wasn't exactly a Press Release from the White House, was it?

Ever hear of a Leak, or good investigative reporting?

Read the Gonzalez Quote

LoungeMachine
03-06-2005, 11:59 AM
Originally posted by LoungeMachine


In the most explicit statement of the administration's policies, Alberto R. Gonzales, then the White House counsel, said in written Congressional testimony in January that "the policy of the United States is not to transfer individuals to countries where we believe they likely will be tortured, whether those individuals are being transferred from inside or outside the United States." Mr. Gonzales said then that he was "not aware of anyone in the executive branch authorizing any transfer of a detainee in violation of that policy."

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Ooops.

Starting to see a pattern here??

Nickdfresh
03-06-2005, 12:03 PM
Originally posted by LoungeMachine
Wasn't exactly a Press Release from the White House, was it?

Ever hear of a Leak, or good investigative reporting?

Read the Gonzalez Quote

Believe it or not, there are probably a lot of people in the CIA that are offended by this as much as anywhere else.

It's scary as too how close we are top waging a Central/South American "dirty war" against the "terra-ists."

http://web.elsatnet.cz/panek/web/obr/clanky/Pinochet.jpg

http://www.hrw.org/update/2003/08/images/argentina_dirty_war.jpg
http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9603/argentina.war/link_bones.jpg

LoungeMachine
03-06-2005, 12:10 PM
I THINK THE C.I.A. AS WE KNOW IT IS STARTING TO UNRAVEL LIKE A CHEAP SWEATER


In new era, CIA's role won't be so central
Dana Priest, Washington Post
March 6, 2005 CIA0306




WASHINGTON, D.C. -- The nomination of John Negroponte as national director of intelligence last month signaled the end of the CIA's nearly 60-year run as the undisputed center of power and influence in the secret world of intelligence.

From its Cold War heyday of spy-vs.-spy confrontation with the Soviet Union to its rebirth as the lead strike force against Al-Qaida's leadership, the CIA earned its standing not from its size, budget or weapons systems but from the sway its directors held over presidents and the legend of its covert operations overseas.

Today, as a result of a new law reorganizing the intelligence community, the CIA no longer has primary standing among the 15 U.S. intelligence agencies. And its previous director, George Tenet -- one in a line of larger-than-life leaders with close ties to the Oval Office -- has been replaced by an anti-Tenet figure, Porter Goss, a man of few words who CIA employees say has yet to annunciate his vision for the agency.

"It does appear the CIA will not occupy that same premier position it had," said Peter Earnest, executive director of the International Spy Museum and a former CIA spy.

The CIA has occupied the pinnacle in the intelligence world, in part, because its chief held two titles: CIA director and the broader director of central intelligence. The latter made him responsible for managing efforts of not only the CIA but also the intelligence offices in the Defense Department and other parts of the federal government. In recent years, it was the director of central intelligence who briefed the president in the morning, and in the afternoon, wearing his second hat as CIA director, he sent spies on missions and executed covert operations.

Now, Negroponte will oversee the CIA and 14 other agencies that spend an estimated $40 billion a year on intelligence -- a reorganization by Congress largely in response to recommendations by the 9/11 commission, which said lack of coordination among those offices played a role in the U.S. failure to thwart the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.

Not only will Negroponte replace the CIA director as the most important voice the president hears on intelligence matters each day, but other agencies, notably the Pentagon and the FBI, are seeking to take over some of the CIA's traditional case officer duties. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld has ordered the military to send highly classified units into the field to collect human intelligence, using newly earned congressional authority to recruit foreign agents when it is helpful.

The FBI wants to replace the CIA's role in recruiting U.S.-based foreign officials to spy for the United States when they return to their homes. It is also trying to mimic the CIA's use of corporate contacts to gain information from overseas business travelers.

With the President's Daily Briefing soon to be in Negroponte's hands, intelligence officials said they expect dozens of CIA analysts who produce it to move over to his office. So will the National Intelligence Council, the nation's top intelligence advisory panel, which produces National Intelligence Estimates as well as analysis of long-term trends.

Outside the CIA

The CIA's science and technology branch may lose clout as well, intelligence experts said. Already the major technological capabilities -- namely satellite imagery and electronic espionage -- reside outside the CIA. Experts say Negroponte's deputy-to-be, Air Force Lt. Gen. Michael Hayden, wants to keep a major hand in technological issues. Currently, Hayden heads the National Security Agency, which manages electronic espionage.

Critics of the CIA's inability to gather more intelligence on Al- Qaida -- and of its high-profile, high-stakes failure to accurately assess Iraq's weapons programs before the war -- say these changes are long overdue.

"The CIA is no longer the favorite child, which will be good for them," said one congressional official, who is not authorized to be quoted by name. "They will have to play on a level playing field. When you are in charge too long, you tend to ossify, then get comfortable. They need to get uncomfortable." More...

Seshmeister
03-06-2005, 01:25 PM
Apart from the immorality of sending suspects to places like Egypt to get tortured the worst thing is that torture leads to bad intel.

Next thing you know you're invading Iraq to capture WMDs...

Nickdfresh
03-07-2005, 06:59 PM
A CBS News link:

Linky (http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/main500251.shtml?channel=i_video&clip=/media/2005/03/06/video678395&sec=3415&vidId=3415&title=CIA$@$Flying$@$Terror$@$Suspects&hitboxMLC=60minutes)