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Nickdfresh
03-10-2005, 09:10 AM
March 10, 2005

Physicist Wins Spirituality Prize
Nobel recipient's belief that religion and science were converging raised hackles in the 1960s.

By Larry B. Stammer, LA Times (http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-prize10mar10.story) Staff Writer

Charles Townes, the UC Berkeley professor who shared the 1964 Nobel Prize in physics for his work in quantum electronics and then startled the scientific world by suggesting that religion and science were converging, was awarded the $1.5-million Templeton Prize on Wednesday for progress in spiritual knowledge.

The prize, the proceeds of which Townes said he planned to largely donate to academic and religious institutions, recognized his groundbreaking and controversial leadership in the mid-1960s in bridging science and religion.

The co-inventor of the laser, Townes, 89, said no greater question faced humankind than discovering the purpose and meaning of life — and why there was something rather than nothing in the cosmos.

"If you look at what religion is all about, it's trying to understand the purpose and meaning of our universe," he said in a telephone interview from New York this week. "Science tries to understand function and structures. If there is any meaning, structure will have a lot to do with any meaning. In the long run they must come together."

Townes said that it was "extremely unlikely" that the laws of physics that led to life on Earth were accidental.

Some scientists, he conceded, had suggested that if there were an almost infinite number of universes, each with different laws, one of them was bound by chance to hit upon the right combination to support life.

"I think one has to consider that seriously," Townes told The Times. But he said such an assumption could not currently be tested. Even if there were a multitude of universes, he said, we do not know why the laws of physics would vary from one universe to another.

Townes said science was increasingly discovering how special our universe was, raising questions as to whether it was planned. To raise such a question is the work of scientists and theologians alike, said Townes, who grew up in a Baptist household that embraced "an open-minded approach" to biblical interpretation. He is a member of the First Congregational Church in Berkeley and prays twice daily.

In 1964, while a professor at Columbia University, Townes delivered a talk at Riverside Church in New York that became the basis for an article, "The Convergence of Science and Religion," which put him at odds with some scientists.

In the article, Townes said science and religion should find common ground, noting "their differences are largely superficial, and … the two become almost indistinguishable if we look at the real nature of each." When MIT published the article, a prominent alumnus threatened to break ties with the institution.

In a 1996 interview with The Times, Townes said that new findings in astronomy had opened people's minds to religion. Before the 1960s, the Big Bang was just an idea that was hotly debated. Today, there is so much evidence supporting the theory that most cosmologists take it for granted.

"The fact that the universe had a beginning is a very striking thing," Townes said. "How do you explain that unique event" without God?

Townes this week spoke of his interest in the search for extraterrestrial intelligence. The sheer number of stars and planets, he said, would likely increase the probability of intelligent life elsewhere. But for life to get started on even one planet is "highly improbable. It might not have started more than two or three times," he said. "It would be fascinating to find somebody out there."

Born in Greenville, S.C., in 1915, Townes received a bachelor's degree in physics, summa cum laude, from Furman University in Greenville when he was 19. Two years later he received a master's in physics from Duke University, and in 1939 a doctorate in physics from Caltech with a thesis on isotope separation and nuclear spins.

During World War II he helped develop radar systems that functioned in the humid conditions of the South Pacific.

His research led to the development of the maser in 1954, which amplifies electromagnetic waves, and later co-invented the laser. His work, for which he shared the 1964 Nobel in physics, led to a wide variety of inventions and discoveries in medicine, telecommunications, electronics, computers and other areas.

He was named provost and professor of physics at MIT in 1961, director of the Enrico Fermi International School of Physics in 1963, and, in 1967, professor of physics at UC Berkeley, a post he held until 1986.

The Templeton Prize for Progress Toward Research or Discoveries about Spiritual Realities was established in 1972 by Sir John Templeton, a global investor and philanthropist. Past winners include Mother Teresa; evangelist Billy Graham; Holmes Rolston III, a philosopher, clergyman and scientist whose explorations of biology and faith have helped foster religious interest in the environment; and John C. Polkinghorne, a British mathematical physicist and Anglican priest.

The Duke of Edinburgh is to present the prize to Townes in a private ceremony at Buckingham Palace in April.

ELVIS
03-10-2005, 08:55 PM
A voice of reason...

FORD
03-10-2005, 08:58 PM
So do you believe there is life on other planets? And by that, I mean life as we would understand it?

DLR'sCock
03-10-2005, 09:20 PM
I actually agree with this.

Seshmeister
03-10-2005, 09:25 PM
The laws of the universe that allow us all to be alive are spectacularly unlikely.

Modify one rule of physics by 0.001% and there would be no life on Earth.

It's interesting shit but no reason to assume that the ignorant inane scribbblings of primative goat fuckers from thousands of years ago are some absolute truth.


Cheers!

:gulp:

ELVIS
03-10-2005, 09:50 PM
Originally posted by FORD
So do you believe there is life on other planets? And by that, I mean life as we would understand it?

No, but I really could care less...

academic punk
03-10-2005, 10:32 PM
From the article:

Dr. Townes often recalls that he came up with the idea that would become the laser while sitting on a Washington park bench in 1951.



What's pathetic for me is that the only things I think about while sitting on a park bench are the women who walk by.

Then again, sometimes my eyes do achieve a laser-like focus on a few...

FORD
03-10-2005, 10:45 PM
Originally posted by ELVIS
No, but I really could care less...

But why do you suppose God would have made millions of planets just to sit out in the middle of space, empty?

The other planets in this solar system may be empty, but I believe there's a strong possibility of a life-supporting atmosphere existing somewhere else

academic punk
03-10-2005, 10:48 PM
Originally posted by FORD
But why do you suppose God would have made millions of planets just to sit out in the middle of space, empty?


Those aren't planets. Those are billions and billions of moons, which, just like the sun, revolve around the earth. The Church says so!



Originally posted by FORD
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The other planets in this solar system may be empty, but I believe there's a strong possibility of a life-supporting atmosphere existing somewhere else [/B]

Lord, I hope so. Sometimes when I sit and read how these threads degenerate...

ashstralia
03-10-2005, 10:51 PM
Originally posted by FORD
So do you believe there is life on other planets? And by that, I mean life as we would understand it?

the sheer number of galaxies
(billions) and stars within those
galaxies (again billions) makes me think
it's highly unlikely that we're alone.

but good point, ford, since even a tadpole is
far removed from a single cell creature.

notice the word 'creature' has its origin
in the word 'create'

academic punk
03-10-2005, 10:53 PM
Originally posted by ashstralia


notice the word 'creature' has its origin
in the word 'create'


And the word "funeral" has its origin in the word "fun"!

ashstralia
03-10-2005, 11:23 PM
Originally posted by academic punk
And the word "funeral" has its origin in the word "fun"!

and boob cometh from 'boo'! he he

kentuckyklira
03-11-2005, 04:22 AM
This means I´ll be drawing my money out of Templeton funds!

DrMaddVibe
03-11-2005, 07:13 AM
Just remember that you're standing on a planet that's evolving
And revolving at nine hundred miles an hour,
That's orbiting at nineteen miles a second, so it's reckoned,
A sun that is the source of all our power.
The sun and you and me and all the stars that we can see
Are moving at a million miles a day
In an outer spiral arm, at forty thousand miles an hour,
Of the galaxy we call the 'Milky Way'.
Our galaxy itself contains a hundred billion stars.
It's a hundred thousand light years side to side.
It bulges in the middle, sixteen thousand light years thick,
But out by us, it's just three thousand light years wide.
We're thirty thousand light years from galactic central point.
We go 'round every two hundred million years,
And our galaxy is only one of millions of billions
In this amazing and expanding universe.


The universe itself keeps on expanding and expanding
In all of the directions it can whizz
As fast as it can go, at the speed of light, you know,
Twelve million miles a minute, and that's the fastest speed there is.
So remember, when you're feeling very small and insecure,
How amazingly unlikely is your birth,
And pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space,
'Cause there's bugger all down here on Earth.

http://www.gecdsb.on.ca/d&g/astro/music/galaxy.mp3

Warham
03-11-2005, 03:33 PM
Originally posted by FORD
But why do you suppose God would have made millions of planets just to sit out in the middle of space, empty?

The other planets in this solar system may be empty, but I believe there's a strong possibility of a life-supporting atmosphere existing somewhere else

God would do it to glorify Himself. The act of creating all those stars and planets alone, with no life on them, is enough to give him glory. The mere fact that He gave this planet life is glorious enough.

BigBadBrian
03-11-2005, 03:37 PM
Originally posted by kentuckyklira
This means I´ll be drawing my money out of Templeton funds!

I think you should invest it in Pat Robertson's 700 Club. They do wonderful work. ;)

kentuckyklira
03-11-2005, 03:39 PM
Originally posted by BigBadBrian
I think you should invest it in Pat Robertson's 700 Club. They do wonderful work. ;) I currently feel courageous and have invested in stock options. I won´t tell you which though!

Seshmeister
03-12-2005, 10:41 PM
Originally posted by Warham
God would do it to glorify Himself. The act of creating all those stars and planets alone, with no life on them, is enough to give him glory. The mere fact that He gave this planet life is glorious enough.

What?

Satan
03-12-2005, 11:30 PM
Originally posted by Warham
God would do it to glorify Himself. The act of creating all those stars and planets alone, with no life on them, is enough to give him glory. The mere fact that He gave this planet life is glorious enough.

Thanks..... it's been at least 3000 years since a Devil laughed that hard! http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/images/smiley_evilGrin.gif

Warham
03-13-2005, 12:07 AM
Originally posted by Seshmeister
What?

Doesn't require an explanation.

Seshmeister
03-13-2005, 06:59 PM
Well obviously not for you.

I have a little elf that lives at the bottom of my garden called Mr Squiggles. I've never seen him or any evidence that he exists but if you don't share my faith that he is the greatest little fucking elf in the world I'm gonna kill your children you fucking heathen...

Warham
03-13-2005, 10:00 PM
Like I said, if you were that interested in knowing what I was talking about, you could do some Googling.

I'm not wasting my time on this here. Not anymore.

And cheers to Mr. Squiggles.

Satan
03-13-2005, 11:56 PM
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00028I1Q0.01-A1G29CW22J5UU0.LZZZZZZZ.jpg
Apparently Mr Squiggles does exist, but he doesn't seem to have a problem with elf homosexuality.