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Nickdfresh
03-16-2005, 05:47 PM
Fiscal fantasies

Tax cuts and increased federal spending are an economic formula for disaster


3/16/2005
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Alan Greenspan

Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan's warning that ballooning federal deficits are "unsustainable" should be a much-needed splash of cold water for a White House that too often puts ideology before fiscal reality.

Greenspan thinks the problem demands spending cuts and a reassessment of efforts to cut taxes. The Bush administration and congressional Republicans think he's only half right. They ought to be listening with both ears.

Here's the key phrase from Greenspan's House Budget Committee testimony: "I fear that we may have already committed more fiscal resources to the baby boom generation in its retirement years than our economy has the capacity to deliver."

"Unless the trend is reversed, at some point these deficits would cause the economy to stagnate or worse," Greenspan said.

The deficit problem is driven more by Medicare than Social Security. The federal government has passed huge entitlement increases, primarily a Medicare prescription drug benefit, at the same time it has cut its own revenue by "temporary" tax cuts that the White House still wants to make permanent. Anyone who prepares a household budget knows what happens when you increase expenses while losing income.

Greenspan is right in targeting spending cuts as the best way to keep the government within its means. A decade ago the feds had to find ways to offset the costs of new programs with cuts elsewhere or new tax revenues. But those rules were abandoned, and current Republican leaders argue that any new "pay as you go" restrictions should not apply to tax cuts, only to new spending.

Regardless of what Vice President Cheney thinks, deficits do matter. They pay for current needs by mortgaging the country's future. But those bills eventually come due. Greenspan is right to worry that ever-increasing debt, plus ever-increasing interest costs on that debt, could mean disaster when that debt collides with increasing baby-boomer Medicare and Social Security obligations, let alone the costs of wars.

On one side of that equation, program spending should be curtailed. There are ways to reform the biggest looming problem, Medicare spending. An obvious start would be to lift the ban on using the government's bulk-purchasing power to negotiate prices for drugs. Social Security's fiscal problems aren't as large, despite the greater publicity they have attracted. Still, those problems need attention. President Bush's "privatization" plan would make more sense if he follows through on hints that he may propose it as an add-on option rather than making the government borrow even more money to replace payroll taxes diverted to set up personal accounts.

The other side of the equation, though, demands that government look closely at how deeply it reduces its own income through tax cuts. Extending all the tax cuts that are scheduled to expire would add $1.8 trillion to the national debt over the next decade, the Congressional Budget Office estimates. Annual deficits already have driven that debt from $3.4 trillion at the end of the 1990s to $4.3 trillion today. That sure looks like "unsustainable" debt growth.

Greenspan acknowledges that tax increases big enough to deal with the deficits could chill the economy by curtailing market investment and consumer spending. But the government must find a balance between income and spending. It can't continually drive spending up and income down. That way lies fiscal madness.

Linky (http://buffalonews.com/editorial/20050316/1021317.asp)

Jesterstar
03-16-2005, 06:16 PM
they are trying to Educe us into a depression. If you really want to know what is going on.

Warham
03-16-2005, 06:25 PM
Greenspan also thinks Social Security needs reforming.

Angel
03-16-2005, 06:26 PM
I heard the worst case scenario is a third-world nation economy, which of course will enable us all to see a depression far worse than previous. :(

FORD
03-16-2005, 06:31 PM
Wall street banks, including the one which employed Prescott Bush, were directly responsible for the Great Depression, so why should it surprise anybody that these criminals are doing the same thing again?

Warham
03-16-2005, 06:33 PM
Yes, those EVIL Wall Street banks!

Has the paranoia set in yet?

Jesterstar
03-17-2005, 09:24 AM
The Second Dpression is Comming;.

Seshmeister
03-17-2005, 10:52 AM
I blame the lizards...

blueturk
03-17-2005, 12:05 PM
And CAFTA won't help things either....

Big Train
03-17-2005, 01:19 PM
Doom and gloom..doom and gloom...so boring.

"Unsustainable" he says and then there are 10 chicken little posts in a row after it. The spending needs to be slow and recrafted and it will be. A new Great Depression hardly.

Relax, think positive and know there are a million other factors involved in large government finance.

Nitro Express
03-17-2005, 01:36 PM
The Federal Reserve is an independant corporation that is suppossed to not be influenced by politicians. That's great in theory but has never really worked.

The problem with our economy started a long time ago and not one political party or president can be blamed for it. It really started with the Vietnam war that was so expensive Nixon had to take us off the gold standard to pay for it. Deficite spending was invented during the civil war because there wasn't enough gold to pay for that war either. The over printing of money always causes recessions and even depressions.

We have rampantly spent more than we have for 30 years. We have also become uncompetative in the world market place by running huge trade deficites. More money leaves the country than stays in. Americans are spend a holics that continue to run up huge deficites. This was possible because foriegn investors were willing to lend us the money because they want to sell their goods to us. Now the rest of the world are wondering if they really need us.

President Bush really hurt the economy by missmanaging the War on Terror. He's spending money like crazy and we don't have it. He's also pissed the rest of the world off and like it or not, other countries finance our dept.

We've exported a lot of jobs that we really have nothing to replace them with. Some people will find new work but the masses won't; even with improving their education because those jobs are being exported and outsources as well. We don't make anything anymore. You don't need too many people in a company if all the company does is slap a brandname on a foriegn made product and market it.

The middle class is gone and the biggest employer is the govt. That won't work because the tax money has to come from some legitimate industry.

We've had warning signs for 30 years and nobody has fixed a damn thing. Now it's time to pay the piper. Get ready to see more shit hit the fan than you ever could imagine. Get ready to see more pissed people than you could imagine because we are passed the point of no return.

I don't know how much more the country can take and we have enemies who know our weaknesses. Not a good situation at all. People will wake up when the dollar starts to hit hyperinflation.

Nitro Express
03-17-2005, 01:42 PM
As far as Social Security goes. We knew the system was in trouble in the 1970's even before anyone knew who Van Halen or David Lee Roth was. We just never did anything about it. Oh now we don't have enough money to pay people who payed in. Shit, tell us something we don't already know. We knew that in 1975.

Nitro Express
03-17-2005, 01:46 PM
I joked with one of my Democrat friends when Bush was running against Gore. I said what we have is two dummies who want to be president when chances are good the economy will crash on their watch. I said if Bush and the Republicans were smart they would let Gore and the Democrats win because the shit will hit the fan on their watch and they can get the blame.

Bush didn't help things by going into Iraq. I'm actually amazed at how well the economy has held up though. It takes a lot to make the out of touch public to panic. No band runs yet. As long as people don't panic, we can still run the economy with monopoly money.

Warham
03-17-2005, 03:19 PM
The public isn't out of touch, they just are slow to changing or rushing to some judgement, unlike what the liberals have done in Congress.

Nitro Express
03-18-2005, 12:10 AM
Many in the public arena in both parties knows what's going on but the beurocracy changes things and that's a huge festering mess. It reminds me of people on Germany becoming tired of their own republican govt. because it was doing nothing to fix the problems. When Hitler started breaking the rules, people looked the other way because at least this guy had some fire. He put people back to work rebuilding the Germany military machine. As long as Hienz gets his job back at the Krups steel mill who cares. Right? If you want to take a shot at being a dictator in the US, now is the time to start getting ready because the field is ripe.