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Northern Girl
03-26-2005, 04:34 PM
A group of rapists and date rapists in prison were interviewed on what they look for in a potential victim and here are some interesting facts:

The first thing men look for in a potential victim is hairstyle. They are most likely to go after a woman with a ponytail, bun, braid or other hairstyle that can easily be grabbed. They are also likely to go after a woman with long hair. Women with short hair are not common targets.

The second thing men look for is clothing. They will look for women whose clothing is easy to remove quickly. Many of them carry scissors around to cut clothing.

They also look for women on their cell phone, searching through their purse or doing other activities while walking because they are off and can be easily overpowered.

The time of day men are most likely to attack and rape a woman is in the early morning, between 5 and 8:30 a.m. The number one place women are abducted from/attacked at is grocery store parking lots. Number two is office parking lots/garages. Number three is public restrooms.

The thing about these men is that they are looking to grab a woman and quickly move her to a second location where they don't have to worry about getting caught. Only 2% said they carried weapons because rape carries a 3-5 year sentence but rape with a weapon is 15-20 years.

If you put up any kind of a fight at all, they get discouraged because it only takes a minute or two for them to realize that going after you isn't worth it. These men said they would not pick on women who have umbrellas, or other similar objects that can be used from a distance, in their hands.

Keys are not a deterrent because you have to get really close to the attacker to use them as a weapon. So, the idea is to convince these guys you're not worth it.

Several defense mechanisms he taught us are:

If someone is following behind you on a street or in a garage or with you in an elevator or stairwell, look them in the face and ask them a question, like what time is it, or make general small talk, I can't believe it is so cold out here or we're in for a bad winter.

Now you've seen their face and could identify them in a lineup, you lose appeal as a target. If someone is coming toward you, hold out your hands in front of you and yell Stop or Stay back! Most of the rapists this man talked to said they'd leave a woman alone if she yelled or showed that she would not be afraid to fight back. Again, they are looking for an EASY target.

If you carry pepper spray (this instructor was a huge advocate of it and carries it with him wherever he goes), yelling I HAVE PEPPER SPRAY and holding it out will be a deterrent.

If someone grabs you, you can't beat them with strength but you can by outsmarting them. If you are grabbed around the waist from behind, pinch the attacker either under the arm between the elbow and armpit or in the upper inner thigh-HARD.

One woman in a class this guy taught told him she used the underarm pinch on a guy who was trying to date rape her and was so upset she broke through the skin and tore out muscle strands the guy needed stitches. Try pinching yourself in those places as hard as you can stand it; it hurts.

After the initial hit, always go for the groin. I know from a particularly unfortunate experience that if you slap a guy's parts it is extremely painful.

You might think that you'll anger the guy and make him want to hurt you more, but the thing these rapists told our instructions that they want a woman who will not cause a lot of trouble. Start causing trouble, & he's out of there.

When the guy puts his hands up to you, grab his first two fingers and bend them back as far as possible with as much pressure pushing down on them as possible. The instructor did it to me without using much pressure, and I ended up on my knees and both knuckles cracked audibly.

Of course the things we always hear still apply. Always be aware of your surroundings, take someone with you if you can and if you see any odd behavior, don't dismiss it, go with your instincts. You may feel a little silly at the time, but you'd feel much

DLR7884
03-26-2005, 04:42 PM
I'm forwarding this to my mother, my girlfriend, both my sister in laws, and everyone at the office.

DLR7884
Thanks for this info.

academic punk
03-26-2005, 04:45 PM
Originally posted by Northern Girl
A group of rapists and date rapists in prison were interviewed on what they look for in a potential victim and here are some interesting facts:

The first thing men look for in a potential victim is hairstyle. They are most likely to go after a woman with a ponytail, bun, braid or other hairstyle that can easily be grabbed. They are also likely to go after a woman with long hair.


Sounds like LOU is a potential target.

DavidLeeNatra
03-26-2005, 04:50 PM
I have a daughter and I don't now how often I remind her how to behave. rapists and pedophiles should be locked away forever, you can't "heal" them...they do it once they do it again...

LoungeMachine
03-26-2005, 04:59 PM
Wonder if Joe Thunder was polled for this?

academic punk
03-26-2005, 05:08 PM
It's always really disturbing to read these sort of things: I always think it's something that happens in the "heat of the moment", and not planned out.

To read that some of these guys operate with such a sort of science and precision...god damn, how do they ever see the light of the day again???

But the idea of them not wanting to get into it with someone who fights back makes perfect sense: they're looking for a VICTIM.

If someone displays that they are not a victim, than even the allure of that person is gone.

Even the idea of turning around and saying "Do you have the time?" ruins the sense of control that this person has. They think they are in control of the situation, and suddenly, simply by saying "What time is it?" you've gone off the script going on in this person's head and ruined his "direction".

Roguesgirl
03-26-2005, 05:51 PM
Both my daughters have been studying Martial Arts since they were 4 years old and this shit is one reason why.

At the moment, one is a second degree blackbelt, the other a brown belt working on black

(My son is a third degree blackbelt.)

Best thing I ever did for my kids

DavidLeeNatra
03-26-2005, 06:00 PM
Originally posted by Roguesgirl
Both my daughters have been studying Martial Arts since they were 4 years old and this shit is one reason why.

Best thing I ever did for my kids

mine is 10 and does it for 5 years and I can say the same for her. she never ever got in trouble in school since she was once asked by a boy to show if she can REALLY do it and through him down to earth... :D

Roguesgirl
03-26-2005, 06:04 PM
the boy probably regretted that!

cool that she got to fire off a warning shot! :D

DavidLeeNatra
03-26-2005, 06:12 PM
Originally posted by Roguesgirl
the boy probably regretted that!

cool that she got to fire off a warning shot! :D

and the best thing about it was that the other boys made such a big thing out of it that it became some kind of "legendary"...something like "oh...you better get out of that girl's way"....maybe SHE will regret that one day...

Roguesgirl
03-26-2005, 06:16 PM
I feel great knowing they can handle themselves. I am also very happy that they respect me because lets face it, they could beat the piss outta me if they wanted to. :D

Although I have picked up a move or two watching them compete all these years.

DavidLeeNatra
03-26-2005, 06:27 PM
Originally posted by Roguesgirl
I am also very happy that they respect me because lets face it, they could beat the piss outta me if they wanted to. :D

lol...true that...

vanzilla
03-26-2005, 07:58 PM
Thanks for the info NG. I printed this out for my wife. I appreciate you taking the time to share it with us.

Figs
03-26-2005, 08:05 PM
I heard that running alone at the same time & same streets is not a great idea for women.

GAR
03-26-2005, 08:11 PM
It is if I am running after them..

WOAHYEAH
03-28-2005, 10:08 PM
3-5 years for rape? You kidding?

Jesterstar
03-29-2005, 09:04 AM
Originally posted by Northern Girl
A group of rapists and date rapists in prison were interviewed on what they look for in a potential victim and here are some interesting facts:

The first thing men look for in a potential victim is hairstyle. They are most likely to go after a woman with a ponytail, bun, braid or other hairstyle that can easily be grabbed. They are also likely to go after a woman with long hair. Women with short hair are not common targets.

The second thing men look for is clothing. They will look for women whose clothing is easy to remove quickly. Many of them carry scissors around to cut clothing.

They also look for women on their cell phone, searching through their purse or doing other activities while walking because they are off and can be easily overpowered.

The time of day men are most likely to attack and rape a woman is in the early morning, between 5 and 8:30 a.m. The number one place women are abducted from/attacked at is grocery store parking lots. Number two is office parking lots/garages. Number three is public restrooms.

The thing about these men is that they are looking to grab a woman and quickly move her to a second location where they don't have to worry about getting caught. Only 2% said they carried weapons because rape carries a 3-5 year sentence but rape with a weapon is 15-20 years.

If you put up any kind of a fight at all, they get discouraged because it only takes a minute or two for them to realize that going after you isn't worth it. These men said they would not pick on women who have umbrellas, or other similar objects that can be used from a distance, in their hands.

Keys are not a deterrent because you have to get really close to the attacker to use them as a weapon. So, the idea is to convince these guys you're not worth it.

Several defense mechanisms he taught us are:

If someone is following behind you on a street or in a garage or with you in an elevator or stairwell, look them in the face and ask them a question, like what time is it, or make general small talk, I can't believe it is so cold out here or we're in for a bad winter.

Now you've seen their face and could identify them in a lineup, you lose appeal as a target. If someone is coming toward you, hold out your hands in front of you and yell Stop or Stay back! Most of the rapists this man talked to said they'd leave a woman alone if she yelled or showed that she would not be afraid to fight back. Again, they are looking for an EASY target.

If you carry pepper spray (this instructor was a huge advocate of it and carries it with him wherever he goes), yelling I HAVE PEPPER SPRAY and holding it out will be a deterrent.

If someone grabs you, you can't beat them with strength but you can by outsmarting them. If you are grabbed around the waist from behind, pinch the attacker either under the arm between the elbow and armpit or in the upper inner thigh-HARD.

One woman in a class this guy taught told him she used the underarm pinch on a guy who was trying to date rape her and was so upset she broke through the skin and tore out muscle strands the guy needed stitches. Try pinching yourself in those places as hard as you can stand it; it hurts.

After the initial hit, always go for the groin. I know from a particularly unfortunate experience that if you slap a guy's parts it is extremely painful.

You might think that you'll anger the guy and make him want to hurt you more, but the thing these rapists told our instructions that they want a woman who will not cause a lot of trouble. Start causing trouble, & he's out of there.

When the guy puts his hands up to you, grab his first two fingers and bend them back as far as possible with as much pressure pushing down on them as possible. The instructor did it to me without using much pressure, and I ended up on my knees and both knuckles cracked audibly.

Of course the things we always hear still apply. Always be aware of your surroundings, take someone with you if you can and if you see any odd behavior, don't dismiss it, go with your instincts. You may feel a little silly at the time, but you'd feel much

Actually these tips aren't accurate at all. Rapists are not that calculated. They may stank their prey for a bit. But they don't have a organized system like that. Of course they want a woman that doesn't start alot of trouble. But fact is. It doesn't matter. When they want to fuck someone they do it. End of story. Carry pepper spray.

DavidLeeNatra
03-29-2005, 09:48 AM
Originally posted by Jesterstar
Carry pepper spray.

and got it already right in your hand...there's not enough time to look it up in your handbag...at least not the fifteen minutes it would normally take a woman to find it...

Jesterstar
03-29-2005, 10:03 AM
Originally posted by DavidLeeNatra
and got it already right in your hand...there's not enough time to look it up in your handbag...at least not the fifteen minutes it would normally take a woman to find it...

You know women that can find something or get ready for anything in 15 minuets. Where is this quick Decisive woman. I have yet to meet one.

stilleddiesangel
03-29-2005, 08:56 PM
Northern Girl, many thanx for this info. .although for a moment it made my blood run cold!! It does make a lot of sense and I've showed it to my teenage daughters. Rapists are preditors and as you say look for easy targets. Rape is not about sex in the general sense, it's about absolute power and any sign of strength, I'm sure will discourage.

Again.. thanx!!

Guitar Shark
03-29-2005, 09:07 PM
http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/outrage/rape.htm

Nickdfresh
03-29-2005, 09:31 PM
Originally posted by Guitar Shark
http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/outrage/rape.htm \

You know I had a feeling about this, but I didn't want to say anything. That's why we like "Linkys" in the FRONTLINE! There is so much shit on the internet!

blonddgirl777
03-30-2005, 12:37 AM
Originally posted by stilleddiesangel
Northern Girl, many thanx for this info. .although for a moment it made my blood run cold!! It does make a lot of sense and I've showed it to my teenage daughters. Rapists are preditors and as you say look for easy targets. Rape is not about sex in the general sense, it's about absolute power and any sign of strength, I'm sure will discourage.

Again.. thanx!!

Yes... Thanks for the tips!

And you are right Still... rape IS about empowering and not about sex. Although I am not a big woman, I walways try to show that I am not a victim.

D.L.R. was talking about the right to carry guns well... I know that I would feel more invincible if I would pack up one in my purse... not that I ever want to kill someone but if it comes to between me and a rapist... HE would be the one to go!!!

:mad:

Figs
03-30-2005, 12:41 AM
Originally posted by Guitar Shark
http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/outrage/rape.htm

good job!