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Nickdfresh
04-09-2005, 10:04 AM
...Economic development of Mexico and the US Southwest?

April 9, 2005

Major Port Proposed for Baja Region
Shippers want to build in Mexico because of logjams at the complex in L.A. and Long Beach.
By Chris Kraul and Deborah Schoch, Times (http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-mexport9apr09,0,2724207.story?coll=la-home-headlines) Staff Writers

MEXICO CITY — A coalition of shipping and freight concerns announced plans Friday for a $1-billion port on deserted seaside farmland about 150 miles south of Tijuana on the Baja peninsula. They hope to link the Mexican port to California with a new rail line connecting to the Imperial Valley and compete with the Los Angeles and Long Beach ports for a share of the multibillion-dollar West Coast shipping business.

If it materializes, the Punta Colonet facility would be one of the largest public works projects undertaken in Mexico, requiring the construction of roads, housing, public buildings and other infrastructure where none now exists.

The firms have begun lobbying the Mexican government, telling officials there would be enough cargo traffic and investment dollars to underwrite a major portion of the cost to build the port and a new city to serve it.

At stake is a share of the estimated $200 billion in revenue generated annually by shipping through California.

"We have to get Colonet developed," said Walter J. Romanowski, an executive with Los Angeles-based Marine Terminals Corp., a holding company owned by Evergreen and Yang Ming shipping lines of Taiwan, Hanjin of South Korea and China Shipping of Shanghai, all among the world's largest shipping firms. "There are no other viable West Coast options."

Romanowski said he wanted the right to build a complex of berths, warehouses and cranes that by 2012 could be running 1 million standard container units a year, about one-seventh the current volume at the Los Angeles port. Construction of the proposed Mexican port would take at least five years, the shipping companies say.

Port officials in Long Beach and Los Angeles said Friday that the project was news to them, although rumors have circulated for months about potential new port developments in Mexico.

Traffic at the two ports is so backed up that as many as 50 ships are kept waiting offshore as long as a week at a time. Environmental and other restrictions limit the ports' expansion, and other West Coast shipping terminals are becoming just as crammed.

Shipboard container traffic out of China is growing at an explosive rate — 15% or more per year — overwhelming the Long Beach and Los Angeles port complex, the world's third-largest.

Tie-ups at the L.A.-Long Beach ports last year sparked international anxiety when a flood of Asian cargo clogged docks, rail lines and highways, forcing giant container ships to idle offshore.

The logjam was blamed for delaying the delivery of holiday goods nationwide. Now, with January container traffic in Long Beach up 35% over last year, the shippers fear that such blockages could become an annual problem, forcing freighters to less congested ports in Seattle and British Columbia.

Southern California port officials worry about losses in jobs and revenue if shipping traffic shifts to competing regions.

But there is little room for the ports to grow. Expansion of the Los Angeles-Long Beach complex also is complicated by mounting community opposition. The twin ports are the region's largest source of air pollution.

The shipping industry soon will have no choice but to expand out of the Los Angeles Basin, and Mexico is the best alternative, said Al Fierstine, former Los Angeles port business development director who is now an advisor to Marine Terminals Corp.

Mexican Sen. Hector Osuna Jaime said the project would promote much needed growth in jobs and industry in Baja California. A new port, he said, would spur investors to build factories, possibly reversing a trend in recent years that has seen manufacturing jobs leave Mexico for China.

One political hurdle facing approval of the proposed port is the 150-mile rail link to connect with the United States. Mexican laws bar foreign ownership of such a line.

Also, Mexican officials traditionally authorize public works projects that they can see completed before their terms expire. President Vicente Fox leaves office at the end of 2006, long before the Punta Colonet project would receive its first ship.

The row over the California ports' environmental impacts spawned a proposal in Sacramento to limit emissions, as well as an ongoing initiative, launched by Los Angeles Mayor James K. Hahn, to slash Port of Los Angeles pollution to 2001 levels.

Last year's logjam of ships occurred just two years after the autumn 2002 lockout of dockworkers by the Pacific Maritime Assn., representing West Coast shipping lines.

At its worst, the 10-day lockout created a lineup of 129 ships waiting to deliver cargo at the Los Angeles-Long Beach complex.

Dockworkers' fears of losing jobs to automation helped spark the lockout, and some predicted a contract ratified by their union a few months later would mean a severe drop-off in high-paying longshore jobs.

Instead, the number of jobs increased, with 3,000 added at the complex.

Big Train
04-09-2005, 12:17 PM
Umm YEA. Compel them to not have to kill themselves to come here to work in the first place, which is what the majority of them want.

How long have I been saying this? Lean on Mexico to get their house in order and then invest there. There are all kinds of things in Mexico to develop that we covet. Not to mention it is a hell of a lot easier to deal with on all angles in terms of logistics, location, influence etc..

It's pretty simple.

academic punk
04-09-2005, 12:23 PM
Maybe they could open a bunch of Tower Records down ther. That should boost the economy...

Or, then again, maybe it wouldn't...

Big Train
04-09-2005, 01:01 PM
Your cheap shots are so uninspired...c,mon TRY...your boring me.

Nickdfresh
04-09-2005, 01:22 PM
Originally posted by Big Train
Umm YEA. Compel them to not have to kill themselves to come here to work in the first place, which is what the majority of them want.

How long have I been saying this? Lean on Mexico to get their house in order and then invest there. There are all kinds of things in Mexico to develop that we covet. Not to mention it is a hell of a lot easier to deal with on all angles in terms of logistics, location, influence etc..

It's pretty simple.

Well here is something you'd always made sense on! The Mexican Gov't has always been corrupt and has leaned on anyone making waves (most recently the populist, left-of-center mayor of Mexico City).

You make a good point, I mean didn't the ex-ruling party (the PRI?) win every election for like decades until recently when international voting monitors finally began to scrutinze their election process?

Big Train
04-09-2005, 01:36 PM
Uh huh. For starters, thats what was wrong with the PRI. The misuse of funds, the favors, the beatings...eventually crossing the desert to be in East LA washing cars is a HUGE step forward. They aren't here with the express intent to "Steal anyone's job". In fact, for many of them, it is a huge hardship. A town called El Monte near where I (and the diamond one reside) is like almost 80% male. It is comprised of young men who have left their families or husbands who have just to make enough money for them to survive. You think they WANT to be here?

blueturk
04-09-2005, 02:01 PM
Here's something else to consider, that may help explain why Dubya is so adamant about loosening the border.

Illegal immigrants pad Social Security


IF Americans ever succeeded in getting rid of illegal immigrants — deporting those who are already here and preventing the entry of others — there would be an outcry from Latino activists, civil libertarians, and the business community.
But thats nothing. Do you know who might really be furious? The Social Security Administration. If not for the billions in payroll taxes that illegal immigrants are paying into the system, the funding crisis facing Social Security would be much more serious and much more imminent. It is all thanks to the 1986 Immigration Reform and Control Act, which made it a crime for employers to knowingly hire illegal immigrants.

True, the law is a joke that is rarely enforced, and that should bother the law-and-order crowd more than it does. But by forcing employers to require Social Security cards — even bogus ones — IRCA did manage to rope illegal immigrants into the system. Last year, contributions by illegal immigrants made up about 10 percent of the Social Security surplus — the difference between what the system takes in and what it doles out.

According to a recent story in The New York Times, the numbers are startling. But they help explain why the U.S. government has tolerated illegal immigration. Its the same reason that someone visiting Las Vegas tolerates a slot machine spewing out silver dollars.

Heres the drill: People enter the country illegally, promptly procure bogus Social Security cards from the black market, and use them to get jobs. Eventually they get paid, and those earnings generate W-2s that go to the Social Security Administration, which tucks them away in something called the earnings suspense file. (The government does try to notify some of the larger employers that Social Security cards
they've accepted appear to be phony, but thats about the extent of their efforts to figure out where all this money is coming from.) According to the best estimates of the Social Security Administration, the fund has kept track over the last 20 years of more than $300 billion in total earnings — the vast majority of them attributable to illegal immigrants.

But those are just the figures in a ledger. The hard currency is the Social Security taxes that illegal immigrants and their employers pay on those earnings. That rings in at about $7 billion a year. Which is why you dont hear the Social Security Administration raising a fuss over illegal immigration.


And so perhaps the most promising element of President Bushs plan to reform the immigration system is his idea to, from this point forward, create 401(k)-type accounts where Mexican immigrant workers could invest part of their earnings. There the money would sit until the workers returned to Mexico, at which point they could draw it out. Bushs plan would put an end to the current system, and thats what hard-line conservatives hate about it. Theyre basically admitting that Social Security needs to rely on ill-gotten goods just to stay afloat.


And people wonder why we have so much illegal immigration. Not me. I wonder why we dont have more of it.


Ruben Navarrette (ruben.navarrette@uniontrib.com) writes for the San Diego Union-Tribune.
http://www.insidebayarea.com/oaklandtribune/oped/ci_2647421

The Scatologist
04-09-2005, 05:33 PM
More and higher quality guitar factories in Mexico maybe? :D

dr.rythm
04-10-2005, 02:14 PM
Originally posted by Big Train
They aren't here with the express intent to "Steal anyone's job". In fact, for many of them, it is a huge hardship.

I totally agree with that statement...I think it is pathetic when people bash on illegal immigrants cuz many of them do those moves out of desperation just to ameliorate their situation...it's either that or die...

and first of all they don't steal or jobs, they work where most of us would not....would you pick fruits for 4$/h in blazing sun or wash cars for the same amount, and so on....

and second they are illegal because our society decides so... Oh yeah Free trade Agreement...for who??

for rich American to go implant their factories over there and exploits their people and ressources....

but not so much free trade when it comes to help them get a better life...:(

franksters
04-10-2005, 07:32 PM
dr rythm,
you are so right

Nickdfresh
04-10-2005, 08:55 PM
I live across the street from "legal" immigrants (work visas I believe). They are hard working and responsible, and much better than the white trash they work for.