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blueturk
04-15-2005, 10:12 PM
Those devil worshipping Democrats are trying to block Dubya's judicial nominees! Join majority leader Bill Frist and some bigwig conservative Christians on April 24th and fight the good fight! And yes, I know that I typed "Frisk" instead of "Frist".


http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/15/politics/15judges.html?hp&ex=1113624000&en=0b42a55582cd9ab5&ei=5094&partner=homepage


Frist Set to Use Religious Stage on Judicial Issue
By DAVID D. KIRKPATRICK

Published: April 15, 2005


WASHINGTON, April 14 - As the Senate heads toward a showdown over the rules governing judicial confirmations, Senator Bill Frist, the majority leader, has agreed to join a handful of prominent Christian conservatives in a telecast portraying Democrats as "against people of faith" for blocking President Bush's nominees.




Fliers for the telecast, organized by the Family Research Council and scheduled to originate at a Kentucky megachurch the evening of April 24, call the day "Justice Sunday" and depict a young man holding a Bible in one hand and a gavel in the other. The flier does not name participants, but under the heading "the filibuster against people of faith," it reads: "The filibuster was once abused to protect racial bias, and it is now being used against people of faith."

Organizers say they hope to reach more than a million people by distributing the telecast to churches around the country, over the Internet and over Christian television and radio networks and stations.

Dr. Frist's spokesman said the senator's speech in the telecast would reflect his previous remarks on judicial appointments. In the past he has consistently balanced a determination "not to yield" on the president's nominees with appeals to the Democrats for compromise. He has distanced himself from the statements of others like the House majority leader, Tom DeLay, who have attacked the courts, saying they are too liberal, "run amok" or are hostile to Christianity.

The telecast, however, will put Dr. Frist in a very different context. Asked about Dr. Frist's participation in an event describing the filibuster "as against people of faith," his spokesman, Bob Stevenson, did not answer the question directly.

"Senator Frist is doing everything he can to ensure judicial nominees are treated fairly and that every senator has the opportunity to give the president their advice and consent through an up or down vote," Mr. Stevenson said, adding, "He has spoken to groups all across the nation to press that point, and as long as a minority of Democrats continue to block a vote, he will continue to do so."

Some of the nation's most influential evangelical Protestants are participating in the teleconference in Louisville, including Dr. James C. Dobson, founder of Focus on the Family; Chuck Colson, the born-again Watergate figure and founder of Prison Fellowship Ministries; and Dr. Al Mohler, president of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary.

The event is taking place as Democrats and Republicans alike are escalating their public relations campaigns in anticipation of an imminent confrontation. The Democratic minority has blocked confirmation of 10 of President Bush's judicial nominees by preventing Republicans from gaining the 60 votes needed to close debate, using the filibuster tactic often used by political minorities and most notoriously employed by opponents of civil rights.

Dr. Frist has threatened that the Republican majority might change the rules to require only a majority vote on nominees, and Democrats have vowed to bring Senate business to a standstill if he does.

On Thursday, one wavering Republican, Senator John McCain of Arizona, told a television interviewer, Chris Matthews, that he would vote against the change.

"By the way, when Bill Clinton was president, we, effectively, in the Judiciary Committee blocked a number of his nominees," Mr. McCain said.

On Thursday the Judiciary Committee sent the nomination of Thomas B. Griffith for an appellate court post to the Senate floor. Democrats say they do not intend to block Mr. Griffith's nomination.

That cleared the way for the committee to approve several previously blocked judicial appointees in the next two weeks.

The telecast also signals an escalation of the campaign for the rule change by Christian conservatives who see the current court battle as the climax of a 30-year culture war, a chance to reverse decades of legal decisions about abortion, religion in public life, gay rights and marriage.

"As the liberal, anti-Christian dogma of the left has been repudiated in almost every recent election, the courts have become the last great bastion for liberalism," Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council and organizer of the telecast, wrote in a message on the group's Web site. "For years activist courts, aided by liberal interest groups like the A.C.L.U., have been quietly working under the veil of the judiciary, like thieves in the night, to rob us of our Christian heritage and our religious freedoms."

Democrats accused Dr. Frist of exploiting religious faith for political ends by joining the telecast. "No party has a monopoly on faith, and for Senator Frist to participate in this kind of telecast just throws more oil on the partisan flames," said Senator Charles E. Schumer, Democrat of New York.

But Mr. Perkins stood by the characterization of Democrats as hostile to faith. "What they have done is, they have targeted people for reasons of their faith or moral position," he said, referring to Democratic criticisms of nominees over their views of cases about abortion rights or public religious expressions.

"The issue of the judiciary is really something that has been veiled by this 'judicial mystique' so our folks don't really understand it, but they are beginning to connect the dots," Mr. Perkins said in an interview, reciting a string of court decisions about prayer or displays of religion.

"They were all brought about by the courts," he said.

Democrats, for their part, are already stepping up their efforts to link Dr. Frist and the rule change with conservatives statements about unaccountable judges hostile to faith.

On Thursday, Mr. Schumer released an open letter calling on Dr. Frist to denounce such attacks. "The last thing we need is inflammatory rhetoric which on its face encourages violence against judges," he wrote.

FORD
04-15-2005, 11:09 PM
Bill Frist owns abortion clinics and murders cats for fun. Satan is more Christian than that fucking piece of shit is.

BigBadBrian
04-16-2005, 12:17 PM
Originally posted by FORD
Bill Frist owns abortion clinics and murders cats for fun. Satan is more Christian than that fucking piece of shit is.

Which still makes him one step above you.

kentuckyklira
04-16-2005, 12:50 PM
Well Americans, enjoy your freedom cos there ain´t gonna be much of it left!

BigBadBrian
04-16-2005, 12:54 PM
Originally posted by kentuckyklira
Well Americans, enjoy your freedom cos there ain´t gonna be much of it left!

You know nothing of America. You live in a land where women are FORCED into prostitution and you can't even own your own weapons and you don't get any news other than what you are force-fed.

:gulp:

kentuckyklira
04-16-2005, 01:00 PM
Originally posted by BigBadBrian
You know nothing of America. You live in a land where women are FORCED into prostitution and you can't even own your own weapons and you don't get any news other than what you are force-fed.

:gulp: Wanna get owned, again, like so many times before??

I spent a considerable amount of my childhood in NYC. My company does lots of business with US companies, which means occasional business trips to the USA for me.

My uncle lives in San Francisco.

And your "forced into prostitution" myth has been taken apart so often that I´m beginning to believe you´re some kind of illegal immigrant from central America who still has some difficulties with the English language!

Warham
04-16-2005, 01:32 PM
Originally posted by FORD
Bill Frist owns abortion clinics and murders cats for fun. Satan is more Christian than that fucking piece of shit is.

Funny you say that since you are pro-abortion. He should be a friend to liberals everywhere!

Nickdfresh
04-16-2005, 01:55 PM
Originally posted by Warham
Funny you say that since you are pro-abortion. He should be a friend to liberals everywhere!

Frist SAYS all the 'right' things; so therefore he is a beautiful person of the Christian right. Words speak louder than actions.

Warham
04-16-2005, 02:35 PM
Not to me.

BigBadBrian
04-16-2005, 03:14 PM
Originally posted by kentuckyklira
Wanna get owned, again, like so many times before??

The only thing you own are poor debating skills. ;)




I spent a considerable amount of my childhood in NYC. My company does lots of business with US companies, which means occasional business trips to the USA for me.

My uncle lives in San Francisco.

And your "forced into prostitution" myth has been taken apart so often that I´m beginning to believe you´re some kind of illegal immigrant from central America who still has some difficulties with the English language!


Big fucking deal. Some homo uncle living in San Francisco or a few business trips to the US gives you no insight to our culture. Try again, Adolf.

Also, the news article in this thread (http://www.rotharmy.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=16382&highlight=prostitution) clearly points out the facts of the plight of the women of Germany being forced into prostitution. Don't deny it.

kentuckyklira
04-16-2005, 03:33 PM
Originally posted by BigBadBrian
The only thing you own are poor debating skills. ;)






Big fucking deal. Some homo uncle living in San Francisco or a few business trips to the US gives you no insight to our culture. Try again, Adolf.

Also, the news article in this thread (http://www.rotharmy.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=16382&highlight=prostitution) clearly points out the facts of the plight of the women of Germany being forced into prostitution. Don't deny it. Good god, ONE FUCKING ARTICLE and you believe to know the truth and you say a few years in NYC as a kid are worthless concerning knowing anything about the USA!

You´re easily the most ridiculous person on this forum!

FORD
04-16-2005, 03:58 PM
Originally posted by kentuckyklira

You´re easily the most ridiculous person on this forum!

Nah, Jizzystool has that one locked up, and Pandaboy is a close second. Brian could be third though.

kentuckyklira
04-16-2005, 04:14 PM
Originally posted by FORD
Nah, Jizzystool has that one locked up, and Pandaboy is a close second. Brian could be third though. Do those guys try to discuss politics on a National Enquirer level??:confused:

Ally_Kat
04-16-2005, 05:04 PM
what part of NYC?

BigBadBrian
04-16-2005, 10:10 PM
Originally posted by FORD
Nah, Jizzystool has that one locked up, and Pandaboy is a close second. Brian could be third though.

:rolleyes: We could put your threads in an asylum for the insane.

blueturk
04-16-2005, 10:15 PM
I'm not even a cat person or anything, but this IS kind of fucked up.

http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20021231-071056-3546r

Frist asked to atone for killing cats
By Dee Ann Divis
Science and Technology Editor
Published 12/31/2002 8:13 PM


WASHINGTON, Dec. 31 (UPI) -- Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., is being asked by an animal advocacy group to support legislation for better animal treatment to make up for fraudulently adopting cats from animal shelters then experimenting on and killing them while he was a medical student.

A Dec. 31 letter from the People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals asked Frist to make amends by pressing for reforms that would replace old-style tests where animals are subjected to painful and sometimes deadly procedures with newer, more humane approaches. They also requested that he help fund research to find non-animal alternatives.

Frist acknowledged in a 1989 book that he routinely killed cats while an ambitious medical student at Harvard Medical School in the 1970s. His office said it had no record on how many cats died. Frist disclosed that he went to animal shelters and pretended to adopt the cats, telling shelter personnel he intended to keep them as pets. Instead he used them to sharpen his surgical skills, killing them in the process.

The newly elected leader of the Senate Republicans revealed the practice in his book "Transplant: A Heart Surgeon's Account of the Life-and-Death Dramas of the New Medicine."

"It was a heinous and dishonest thing to do," Frist wrote, in a passage quoted by The Boston Globe. On Tuesday, Frist's press aide, Nick Smith, told United Press International that "Senator Frist denounces the activities that he did while he was in medical school -- as he has done before."

It is not clear if Frist's actions were illegal. Many states ban shelters from knowingly letting their animals be taken for such purposes.

Massachusetts put such a ban in place in 1983. Frist was a student in the Boston area from 1974 to 1978. A total of 14 states have passed such laws. Four states -- Iowa, Minnesota, Utah and Oklahoma -- still have laws that allow labs to demand the release of animals for experimental use.

But such regulations, called pound seizure laws, only govern the actions of the shelters.

"The pound seizure law probably would not apply there because the shelter did not intentionally sell the animal to him for this purpose," said Debora Bresch, a lawyer and a lobbyist for the American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals.

"They thought they were adopting the animal out to him," said Bresch. "What he did was fraudulent and probably was illegal."

"It would probably would be considered cruel back even then," added Stephen Musso, senior vice president and chief of operations of ASPCA.

Though Musso said he personally had not heard about the Frist incident, he told UPI, "We wouldn't want to see anybody taking an animal out of an animal shelter and doing anything with it -- first of all that would be harmful; second of all, different than the intentions that they gave to the people at that shelter or humane organization."

Attitudes toward animal experimentation have shifted, said Gary Patronek, director of the Tufts Center for Animals and Public Policy in North Grafton, Mass.

"The fact that laws have passed prohibiting the practice of pound seizure in 14 states is evidence of the fact that society's attitudes have changed," Patronek told UPI. "The laws reflect the attitudes. If there isn't a broad social consensus about something, then typically the laws don't change."

The demographics have changed also. By the end of 2000, a total of 34 percent of American households had at least one cat -- a sharp rise of 8 percent in only two years. The American Pet Products Manufacturers Association also said in their 2001-2002 National Pet Owner Survey that 39 percent of all U.S. households owned at least one dog in 2000, about the same percentage as in 1998.

Though Frist's practice has been known for 11 years, the matter appears to be gathering new attention since his election as Senate majority leader. E-mail with copies of news articles mentioning the incident are bouncing around the Internet, said Bresch.

One Frist supporter said the senator's opponents are fueling the interest in the issue.

"What is happening here is that people are doing profiles of the senator, and they are desperate to find something wrong with him and to come up with something bad in his past," he pointed out.

Whether Frist will come to the aid of animal legislative causes remains to be seen. His spokesman said they had not seen the PETA letter and therefore would not comment on it.

PETA, normally more combative and high-profile, took a somewhat restrained tone in its letter. There was no mistaking PETA's opinion, however, as the organization asked Frist to make an effort on the animals' behalf.

"There could be no better way of making some small amends to those animals whose trust you betrayed when you took them from shelters," the letter said.

LoungeMachine
04-16-2005, 10:39 PM
Originally posted by BigBadBrian
:rolleyes: We could put your threads in an asylum for the insane.

I bet 5 seconds after you posted that you realized just how stupid it sounded............


weak:rolleyes:

Warham
04-17-2005, 12:13 AM
I don't even care about debating about the politicians in Washington anymore. Liberals complain about Tom Delay, but yet somehow forget about such scandals as the Sandy Berger, or should I say Burglar, swipe and shred snafu. I haven't talked about Bush and his policies in weeks here. and I'm leaning on just talking about conservative and liberal issues from now on.

FORD
04-17-2005, 02:02 AM
Berger made an honest mistake and apologized for it. Neither DeLay or Junior will even admit to making a single mistake despite the mountains of evidence of their wrongdoing.

Warham
04-17-2005, 10:15 AM
Yeah, an honest mistake. I can't believe you think that after all the B.S. conspiracy theories you believe in. Then again, as long as it's a Democrat, there's no conspiracy involved.

And then I could bring up that Dingy Harry Reid article from the LA Times in 2003, where it talks about him setting up all kinds of opportunities for his family in Nevada. I'm sure there's nothing there either.

kentuckyklira
04-17-2005, 11:18 AM
Originally posted by Ally_Kat
what part of NYC? Manhattan, 71st and Park Avenue

Nickdfresh
04-17-2005, 04:45 PM
Originally posted by Warham
Yeah, an honest mistake. I can't believe you think that after all the B.S. conspiracy theories you believe in. Then again, as long as it's a Democrat, there's no conspiracy involved....

POT--->TEA KETTLE!

Remember the "President Clinton had the plane full of military officers coming to arrest him shot down" theory?

BTW, happy birthday you conspiracy nut!

Warham
04-17-2005, 07:57 PM
Yeah, but the Clinton thing was posted in response to all this ridiculous shit that I've read here since last year.

You can find bullshit conspiracy theories for just about any prominent politician.

Thanks for the birthday wishes. :D

Nickdfresh
04-17-2005, 08:06 PM
Originally posted by Warham
Yeah, but the Clinton thing was posted in response to all this ridiculous shit that I've read here since last year.

You can find bullshit conspiracy theories for just about any prominent politician.

Thanks for the birthday wishes. :D

I think the most offensive one is the 'FDR knew about the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor in advance' theory. It doesn't even make any fucking sense!

Ally_Kat
04-18-2005, 12:22 AM
Originally posted by kentuckyklira
Manhattan, 71st and Park Avenue

well that explains a lot ;)

kentuckyklira
04-18-2005, 04:27 AM
Originally posted by Ally_Kat
well that explains a lot ;) :confused: