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DrMaddVibe
05-16-2005, 06:01 PM
MEXICO CITY - President
Vicente Fox refused to apologize Monday for saying Mexicans in the United States do the work that blacks won't — a comment widely viewed as acceptable in a country where blackface comedy is still considered funny and nicknames often reflect skin color.

State Department spokesman Richard Boucher said the U.S. Embassy in Mexico City had raised the issue with the Mexican government. "That's a very insensitive and inappropriate way to phrase this and we would hope that (the Mexicans) would clarify the remarks if they have a chance," Boucher said.

Fox's spokesman, Ruben Aguilar, said the remark has been misinterpreted as a racial slur. He said the president was speaking in defense of Mexican migrants as they come under attack by the new U.S. immigration measures that include a wall along the U.S.-California border.

Stung by the U.S. crackdown on illegal immigrants, many Mexicans — including Mexico City's archbishop — said Fox was just stating a fact.

"The president was just telling the truth," said Celedonio Gonzalez, a 35-year-old carpenter who worked illegally in Dallas for six months in 2001. "Mexicans go to the United States because they have to. Blacks want to earn better wages, and the Mexican — because he is illegal — takes what they pay him."

But the
Rev. Jesse Jackson and the Rev.
Al Sharpton, two black U.S. civil rights activists, said Fox should apologize. "His statement had the impact of being inciting and divisive," Jackson said.

Lisa Catanzarite, a sociologist at Washington State University, disputed Fox's assertion. She said there is intense competition for lucrative working class jobs like construction and that employers usually prefer to hire immigrants who don't know their rights.

"What Vicente Fox called a willingness to work ... translates into extreme exploitability," she said.

Fox made the comment Friday during a public appearance in Puerto Vallarta, saying: "There's no doubt that Mexican men and women — full of dignity, willpower and a capacity for work — are doing the work that not even blacks want to do in the United States."

Responding to the criticism Monday, Aguilar read a statement expressing Fox's "enormous respect for minorities, whatever their racial, ethnic or religious origin."

"The purpose (of the comment) was none other than to show the importance Mexican workers have today in the development and progress of U.S. society," Aguilar said, repeating a statement released Saturday.

He refused to comment further, saying only that Fox would "intensify his diplomatic efforts to protect the integrity of the Mexicans living in that country."

The dispute reflects Fox's growing frustration with U.S. immigration policy and deteriorating relations between the two nations.

The Mexican government was expected to send a diplomatic letter to the United States on Monday protesting recent measures that include requiring states to verify that people who apply for a driver's license are in the country legally, making it harder for migrants to gain amnesty, and overriding environmental laws to build a barrier along the California border with Mexico.

The measures have been widely criticized in Mexico, where residents increasingly see the United States as adopting anti-migrant policies.

Even Cardinal Norberto Rivera Carrera, the archbishop of Mexico City, criticized the U.S. policy as ridiculous and defended Fox's comments, saying: "The declaration had nothing to do with racism. It is a reality in the United States that anyone can prove."

Gilberto Rincon, president of the National Council to Prevent Discrimination, said the statement was "unfortunate." But, speaking after releasing a report on racism in Mexico, he said it reflected outdated language more than a racist attitude.

Fox has championed the rights of minorities and the disabled and has led a successful campaign to amend the constitution to make discrimination a crime.

George Grayson, a Mexican expert with the College of William & Mary in Virginia, said the dispute will hurt Fox's campaign to liberalize immigration laws, adding that it shows "once again how tone deaf Mexico's president is with respect to the United States."

While Mexico has a few, isolated black communities, the population is dominated by descendants of the country's Spanish colonizers and its native Indians. Comments that would generally be considered openly racist in the United States generate little attention here.

One afternoon television program regularly features a comedian in blackface chasing actresses in skimpy outfits, while an advertisement for a small, chocolate pastry called the "negrito" — the little black man — shows a white boy sprouting an afro as he eats the sweet. Many people hand out nicknames based on skin color.

Victor Hugo Flores, a 30-year-old bond salesman, cringed when asked what he thought of Fox's comment, but said it isn't too different from popular sayings celebrating what Mexicans see as a strong work ethic among blacks.

"It was bad, but it really isn't racist," he said. "Maybe the president shouldn't have said it. But here we say things like, 'He works like a black person,' and it's normal."

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FORD
05-16-2005, 06:04 PM
Yep... Junior's good buddy and partner in drug smuggling, Vicente Fox. What a guy :rolleyes:

BigBadBrian
05-16-2005, 06:06 PM
Originally posted by FORD
Yep... Junior's good buddy and partner in drug smuggling, Vicente Fox. What a guy :rolleyes:

If Kerry had won......


Nah never mind.....that's too easy. ;)

Angel
05-16-2005, 06:43 PM
C'mon Ford. Yeah, it was worded wrong, but definitely not racist.

Give your head a shake, pal

Warham
05-16-2005, 06:55 PM
FORD supports Howard Dean, so you have to take his comments on this with a grain of salt.

FORD
05-16-2005, 09:58 PM
Originally posted by Angel
C'mon Ford. Yeah, it was worded wrong, but definitely not racist.

Give your head a shake, pal

I didn't say he was a racist. Unless it's possible for a Mexican to be racist against other Mexicans, because he clearly couldn't give a flying burrito about those people in his own country who have no way of making a living in their own country, so they have to break in to ours.

Hardrock69
05-17-2005, 01:23 AM
He is right though....

Up until the 60s, most service jobs were held by Black Americans. Then once the Civil Rights movement gained strength and there was more opportunity for black workers, then of course they wanted to do as any human would and improve their lot in life.
And so it became harder to find people willing to work for such low wages.

Many employers are to blame for hiring illegal immigrants. No American trying to survive is going to work for $2.00 an hour.

And because the illegal immigrants are here illegally, they cannot complain about their fucked wages, and the minimum wage laws do not apply to them, as they do not even have permission to be in the coutnry, let alone have the same rights granted to those who do.

As I have said before, if you are here legally, MORE POWER TO YA! There is room in this country for anyone who follows the rules and pays their fucking taxes.

If you cannot prove you have permission to even BE HERE, you must get shipped back to wherever the fuck you came from, and DON"T FUCKING COME BACK WITHOUT THE NECESSARY PAPERWORK!!!


:mad: :mad: :mad:

Hardrock69
05-20-2005, 11:26 AM
And as for racist Presidents:

http://www.miqel.com/text/nixon-racism-marijuana-pope-gays.html

FORD
05-20-2005, 11:39 AM
What the fuck was that? Archie Bunker was a "hard-hat"?? Meathead went "both ways"???

And Tricky Dick didn't even know the name of the goddamn show??

What a paranoid, delusional bigot he was.

And if I remember correctly, wasn't Archie a cab driver?

Figs
05-20-2005, 12:40 PM
Archie did drive a cab for a little while, but I think it was after he lost is other job, which I think was some kind of loading dock work. Meathead was never bi.

ELVIS
05-20-2005, 12:44 PM
No...

DrMaddVibe
05-20-2005, 11:34 PM
Originally posted by ELVIS
No...

WTF?

Where have you been?

Hardrock69
05-21-2005, 12:08 AM
I always just thought he was just a loser hippie.....I never spent any time wondering about whether he was a fag or not...Nixon did not even know the name of the show but was totally convinced Meathead was queer....I guess ol' Tricky Dick had a Tricky Dick...

I wonder if his wife knew he was a pole smoker....