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Nickdfresh
05-20-2005, 03:13 PM
Some fear that the photos of SADDAM in his tighty-whities will possibly further inflame the insurgency which targets US troops, and firther ethnic tensions. Is there any outrage over this? Or were people just full of shit in the NEWSWEEK thread? Just wondering....

May 20, 2:15 PM EDT

U.S. Investigates Near-Naked Saddam Photos

By PATRICK QUINN
Associated Press (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/I/IRAQ_SADDAM_PHOTOS?SITE=NYBUE&SECTION=HOME) Writer

BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) -- British and American newspapers published photos Friday showing an imprisoned Saddam Hussein clad only in his underwear and washing his laundry, prompting an angry U.S. military to launch an investigation and the Red Cross to say the pictures may violate the Geneva Conventions.

Britain's The Sun and the New York Post said the photos were provided by a U.S. military official they did not identify. The photos angered the U.S. military, which issued a condemnation rare for its immediacy.

President Bush said Friday he did not believe the photos would incite further anti-American sentiment in Iraq, which is edging toward open sectarian conflict.

"I don't think a photo inspires murderers," Bush said at the White House. "These people are motivated by a vision of the world that is backward and barbaric."

He added, "I think the insurgency is inspired by their desire to stop the march of freedom."

Bush was briefed by senior aides Friday morning about the photos, and he "strongly supports the aggressive and thorough investigation that is already under way" that seeks to find who took them, White House press spokesman Trent Duffy said.

Both The Sun and the Post are controlled by Rupert Murdoch. Sun managing editor Graham Dudman told The Associated Press in London the newspaper paid "a small sum" for the photos. He would not elaborate except to say the paper paid more than 500 British pounds, which is equal to about $900.

The paper also said it was publishing more photos Saturday.

Duffy says the release of pictures of Saddam Hussein in his underwear was wrong and is being investigated.

"These are iconic images of the world's most notorious war criminal," the paper said in a statement. "The Sun is proud to run the pictures and we will be running more tomorrow."

Saddam's chief lawyer, Ziad al-Khasawneh, said his legal team would sue The Sun because the photos represent "an insult to humanity, Arabs and the Iraqi people."

"It is clear that the pictures were taken inside the prison, which means that American soldiers have leaked the pictures," he said by telephone from Amman, Jordan. "We will sue the newspaper and everyone who helped in showing these pictures."

He said the photos were part "of a comprehensive war against the Islamic and Arab nations" that included the abuse at Baghdad's Abu Ghraib prison and allegations by Newsweek, which were later retracted, about Quran desecration at the U.S. prison in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

Iraqis gathered in coffee shops in Baghdad and elsewhere watched as some Arab satellite networks - including Al-Arabiya - showed the front page of The Sun, with its picture of Saddam standing in his underwear. Other published photos show him clothed and seated on a chair doing some washing, sleeping and walking in what is described as his prison yard.

"This is an insult to show the former president in such a condition. Saddam is from the past now, so what is the reason for this? It is bad work from the media. Do they want to degrade the Iraqi people? Or they want to provoke their feelings," said Abu Barick, a 45-year-old Baghdad businessman.

In northern Kirkuk, Marwan Ibrahim, a 31-year-old civil servant, said the pictures were a "humiliation for a man who in the near past was the leader of Iraq and a top Arab leader in the region."

Others, however, were not so kind.

"Saddam Hussein and his regime were bloody and practiced mass killing against the people, therefore, whatever happens to Saddam, whether he is photographed naked or washing his clothes, it means nothing to me. That's the least he deserves," said Hawre Saliee, a 38-year-old Kurd.

Jihad Ballout, a spokesman for the Al-Jazeera network, said his network did not show the pictures because it had ethical and professional concerns.

"The photo is demeaning to Iraqis," he said, adding that "from the professional side, it is not news."

The U.S. military in Baghdad said the photos violated military guidelines "and possibly Geneva Convention guidelines for the humane treatment of detained individuals."

"The specific issue here is that these images are against (Department of Defense) policy. It's not the content of the photo that is the issue at hand, but it is the existence or release of the photos," U.S. military spokesman Staff Sgt. Don Dees said.

He added that the military would question the troops holding Saddam as part of its investigation.

"We take seriously our responsibility to ensure the safety and security of all detainees," a military statement said.

The military said the source of the photos was not immediately known. Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman said the photos possibly were at least a year old, and officials were trying to determine whether they were taken from a surveillance camera or hand-held camera.

The International Committee for the Red Cross, which is responsible for monitoring prisoners of war and detainees, said the photographs violated Saddam's right to privacy.

"Taking and using photographs of him is clearly forbidden," ICRC Middle East spokeswoman Dorothea Krimitsas said. U.S. forces are obliged to "preserve the privacy of the detainee."

Aside from U.S. soldiers, the only others with access to Saddam are his legal team, prosecuting judge Raed Johyee and the ICRC.

Saddam was captured in December 2003 while hiding in a concealed hole in the ground near his hometown of Tikrit, 80 miles north of Baghdad. He is charged with war crimes, but no date has been set for his trial.

It is not the first time there has been an outcry over images of Saddam.

Pictures and video images of Saddam being examined by a medic after his arrest were widely criticized - even by the Vatican. A top Vatican cardinal said at the time that American forces treated the captured Iraqi leader "like a cow."

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Associated Press reporters Bassem Mroue in Baghdad and Jill Lawless in London contributed to this report.

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BigBadBrian
05-20-2005, 03:43 PM
Originally posted by Nickdfresh


Jihad Ballout, a spokesman for the Al-Jazeera network, said his network did not show the pictures because it had ethical and professional concerns.

"The photo is demeaning to Iraqis," he said, adding that "from the professional side, it is not news."



I suppose showing the Nick Berg beheading was dignified for Americans. Fucking Islamofascist assholes trying to imitate a news organization. :mad:

FORD
05-20-2005, 04:33 PM
Originally posted by BigBadBrian
Fucking Islamofascist assholes trying to imitate a news organization. :mad:

Fucking Dominionistfascist assholes trying to intimidate CBS and NewsWeak. :mad:

fanofdave
05-20-2005, 09:16 PM
no extremist terrorist is teetering on the fence as to deciding
whether or not to commit an act of violence until they see ol'
sadam photographed in his undies, mate. that decision was
made long before sadam was on the front page of some rag
imitating mike jordan's hanes commercials.

and before the conspiracy freaks start yelling "BUSH ADMINISTRATION IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS", lets keep it in perspective. some jackass took some pictures; unauthorized; smuggled them out, and put them up for sale to the highest tabloid bidder, and the rest is history.

LoungeMachine
05-21-2005, 10:22 AM
PENTAGON TO PROBE SADDAM'S UNDERWEAR


BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- The U.S. military says it will "aggressively investigate" how photographs of Saddam Hussein in captivity -- including one of the deposed leader in his underwear -- were released to a London tabloid.

Senior U.S. military sources have said the military did not give photos to The Sun -- no matter what the newspaper says.

The tabloid published additional photos Saturday of Saddam and imprisoned members of his regime, one day after showing a nearly undressed Saddam on the front page of its Friday edition.

Alongside a color photograph showing the former leader standing in a white robe behind barbed wire, the Saturday paper features a black-and-white photo of Ali Hassan al-Majid, known as "Chemical Ali," in prison.

Also featured is Huda Salih Mahdi Ammash, known as "Chemical Sally" and "Mrs. Anthrax."

Chemical Ali is a suspect in a long list of crimes, including the gassing of Kurds in the late 1980s and early 1990s. Ammash was one of Iraq's top biological weapons scientists.

According to the tabloid, U.S. "military sources said they handed over the photos in the hope of dealing a body blow to the resistance in Iraq."

Senior military officials said they first saw the photographs through diplomatic channels. They believe the U.S. Embassy got the photos and then gave them to the military to evaluate their authenticity.

In Baghdad, Lt. Col. Steve Boylan, director of the Combined Press Information Center, said, "This was not an official release, and we are aggressively investigating to find out what happened, and why it happened."

The Pentagon issued a statement as well.

"These photos were taken in clear violation of DoD [Department of Defense] directives and possibly Geneva Convention guidelines for the humane treatment of detained individuals," it said.

"Multi-National Forces-Iraq is disappointed at the possibility that someone responsible for the security, welfare, and detention of Saddam would take and provide these photos for public release."

Officials emphasized that because it was not a sanctioned government release, the United States is not in violation of the Geneva Conventions, although an individual might be.

Under Articles 13 and 14 of the 1949 Geneva Conventions III Relative to the Treatment of Prisoners of War, POWs "must at all times be protected ... against insults and public curiosity," and also "are entitled in all circumstances to respect for their persons and their honor."

Who took the pictures?
A U.S. military official in Baghdad told CNN that the pictures appeared to have been taken between January and April 2004, given Saddam's condition and some features in the background. That period would correspond with the time that Saddam was in U.S. military custody.

The official said the investigation will try to find out who took the pictures, when, and for what purposes. Only a small number of people have access to the cell where Saddam is held, and no personal cameras are permitted in the area.

Saddam is under video surveillance in his cell "24/7," said the official, who could not say if the still photographs were possibly taken by the surveillance camera.

Pentagon officials concede that Saddam remains under U.S. control, even though he is in the legal control of the Iraqi government and thus no longer considered an enemy of war.

The 68-year-old former dictator has appeared in public only once since his July 2004 capture to face preliminary war crimes charges before an Iraqi judge in Baghdad. Special Report

Reaction
In Washington, Barham Salih, the Iraqi minister of planning, met Friday with U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice.

"We are bound by the rule of law, and Saddam Hussein is accused of serious war crimes. But he will be judged in court at the end of the day. And he needs to be treated within accordance of what the law requires."

Rice said, "I have confidence in the Iraqi government's desire and capability to live up to its obligations for international standards concerning the treatment of Saddam Hussein."

Pentagon officials drew a distinction between these images and previous pictures it has released. After Saddam's capture in December of 2003, the Pentagon released an image of Saddam in a "spider hole" and a short video of him undergoing a medical examination.

The Pentagon has argued the pictures did not violate the Geneva Conventions, because it was important to demonstrate to the Iraqi people that Saddam was in custody.

President Bush was asked Friday whether photos of Saddam -- as well as the now-retracted Newsweek story about military interrogators flushing a Quran down a toilet -- serve to inspire opposition in the Muslim world.

He said, "I don't think a photo inspires murderers. I think they're inspired by an ideology that is so barbaric and backwards that it's hard for many in the Western world to comprehend how they think."

CNN's Roger Clark, Jamie McIntyre, Ed Payne and Barbara Starr contributed to this report.