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4moreyears
05-26-2005, 08:56 AM
NewsMax has learned that a new book about Hillary Clinton is being rushed into print months ahead of schedule and Vanity Fair magazine will soon publish an excerpt of the work.

Publishing insiders say the book and its revelations could destroy her bid to run for the presidency in 2008.

The tell-all book by Edward Klein, "The Truth About Hillary: What She Knew, When She Knew It, and How Far She'll Go to Become President," was originally slated for publication in September.

Editor's Note: NewsMax will be among the first to offer this book – reserve your copy – Go Here Now.

But the publisher, the Sentinel imprint of the Penguin Group, has moved up the publication date to June 21 due to the "intense interest and speculation" generated by several media reports on the book, Sentinel spokesman Will Weisser told NewsMax.com.

Vanity Fair will beat the embargo with a special excerpt due out June 5, a source close to the publisher said.

The Drudge Report sparked interest in the book with an online story quoting a source close to author Klein as saying, "The revelations in it should sink her candidacy."

The online report created a storm of interest in "The Truth About Hillary" on talk radio, the Web, and cable chat shows.

MSNBC's Joe Scarborough claimed, "Its contents are top secret, but the sources say the revelations inside could torpedo Hillary Clinton's chances at a run at the White House."

The Washington Times followed with a report claiming the book will make new, nasty revelations about Hillary.

"Rumors that the book 'won't be pretty' and is brimming with 'new dirt' have circulated in the New York press for the past four months," the Times said.

The book's sensational revelations about Sen. Clinton may be difficult for her spin operation to torpedo.

Klein is no conservative hatchet man. He's the former editor in chief of The New York Times Magazine and author of the "The Kennedy Curse," "Farewell, Jackie" and several other best sellers.

Klein came under fire, however, for "The Kennedy Curse," a book about JFK Jr. that delved into the personal lives of John and his wife, Carolyn, detailing extramarital affairs and drug use.

A source familiar with Klein's book said his Hillary book will similarly offer a rare and provocative glimpse into the personal lives of the Clintons.

Promotional material released by the publisher of the 336-page Hillary Clinton book states: "Just as the Swift Boat Veterans convinced millions of voters that John Kerry lacked the character to be president, Klein's book will influence everyone who is sizing up the character of Hillary Clinton."

The promo discloses that Klein "draws on rare access to inside sources to reveal what Hillary knew and when she knew it during her years as first lady, especially during her husband's impeachment.

"It will also prove that she lied to America in her best-selling autobiography 'Living History.'"


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Nickdfresh
05-26-2005, 10:07 AM
Hmmm...The term libelous comes to mind....

Hardrock69
05-26-2005, 11:45 AM
If the stuff in it is true and can be verified it is not "libelous".

FORD
05-26-2005, 12:54 PM
Originally posted by Hardrock69
If the stuff in it is true and can be verified it is not "libelous".

And if it can't, MoonieMax will market it anyway.

4moreyears
05-26-2005, 12:57 PM
Originally posted by Hardrock69
If the stuff in it is true and can be verified it is not "libelous".

How true, just like the Swift Boat documentation that came out on John Kerry.

JH

FORD
05-26-2005, 01:31 PM
Originally posted by 4moreyears
How true, just like the Swift Boat documentation that came out on John Kerry.

JH

From a white supremacist publishing company, written by a Bush relative who has stalked John Kerry for 35 years, and is too chickenshit to appear in front of a camera without more makeup on his face than all 4 members of KISS.

Warham
05-26-2005, 01:44 PM
Oh, Hillary will do alot to become the next president, but it's not about what she'll really go through, as opposed to what her and Bill's lackeys will go through for THEM.

I don't know for sure how many people have been indicted and served jail sentences for the Clintons' dirty deeds, but I'm sure I use more than my two hands to count the number. In fact, David Rosen is up to bat right now in court. He probably won't tell either.

Nickdfresh
05-26-2005, 02:07 PM
Originally posted by Warham
Oh, Hillary will do alot to become the next president, but it's not about what she'll really go through, as opposed to what her and Bill's lackeys will go through for THEM.

I don't know for sure how many people have been indicted and served jail sentences for the Clintons' dirty deeds, but I'm sure I use more than my two hands to count the number. In fact, David Rosen is up to bat right now in court. He probably won't tell either.

And you were saying what regarding FORD's conspiracy agenda? Maybe next time tell the Inspector Cluestarr not to fixate on blowjobs and cum stains. Until then, present some evidence or risk having me call you a hypowit wanker!:p

Warham
05-26-2005, 02:18 PM
No conspiracy. It's documented.

http://www.gargaro.com/clintonconvicts.html

VARIOUS ARKANSAS:

1) Roger Clinton: Bill Clinton brother; drug trafficking conviction (Wall Street Journal "The Foster Test" January 14, 1994)

2) Dan Lasater: governor Bill Clinton contributor and state contractor: drug trafficking conviction (Wall Street Journal "The Foster Test" January 14, 1994)

3) Dan Harmon: Arkansas Seventh Judicial District prosecuting attorney and Bill Clinton friend and political ally: five federal racketeering, extortion, and drug distribution convictions (Wall Street Journal "Arkansas Justice" June 13, 1997)

4) Bill McCuen: Bill Clinton political ally: former Arkansas Secretary of State; bribery, tax evasion, kickbacks convictions (Wall Street Journal: Whitewater: "The Prosecution Rests" May 7, 1996)

WHITEWATER:

5) Webster Hubbell: Bill Clinton friend and political ally; Hillary Clinton Rose Law Firm partner: embezzlement; fraud; two felony convictions (Wall Street Journal "Whither Whitewater?" October 18, 1995)

6) Jim Guy Tucker: fraud; three felony convictions (Wall Street Journal "Second-Term Stall" February 11, 1997; Associated Press "Tucker Pleads Guilty to Cable Fraud" February 20, 1998)

7) William J. Marks Sr.: Jim Guy Tucker business partner; one conspiracy conviction (Associated Press "Whitewater Defendant Pleads Guilty" August 28, 1997)

8) Jim McDougal: Bill and Hillary Clinton friend, banker, and political ally: eighteen felony convictions (Wall Street Journal "Immunize Hale" May 29, 1996)

9) Susan McDougal: Bill and Hillary Clinton friend; former wife of Jim McDougal: four felony convictions (Wall Street Journal "Immunize Hale" May 29, 1996)

10) David Hale: Bill and Hillary Clinton friend, banker, and political ally: two felony convictions of conspiracy and mail fraud (Wall Street Journal "The Arkansas Machine Strikes Back" March 19, 1996)

11) Chris Wade: Whitewater real estate broker; two felony convictions (Wall Street Journal "Hard Evidence From a Federal Investigator" August 10, 1995)

12) Stephen Smith: former Governor Clinton aide; one conviction (Wall Street Journal "Hard Evidence From a Federal Investigator" August 10, 1995)

13) Larry Kuca: Madison real estate agent; fraudulent loans (Wall Steet Journal "Hard Evidence From a Federal Investigator" August 10, 1995)

14) Robert Palmer: Madison appraiser; one conspiracy felony conviction (Wall Street Journal "Hale Predicts Hillary Conviction" October 21, 1996)

15) Neal Ainley: Perry County Bank president; embezzled bank funds for Clinton campaign; two misdemeanor convictions (Wall Street Journal "Arkansas Bank Shot" May 4, 1995)

16) John Latham: Madison Bank CEO; bank fraud conviction (Wall Street Journal "Smoke Without Fire" January 12, 1996)

17) John Haley: attorney for Jim Guy Tucker; misdemeanor guilty plea; tax fraud (Associated Press "Tucker Pleads Guilty to Cable Fraud" February 20, 1998)

18) Eugene Fitzhugh: Whitewater defendant, pleaded guilty to one misdemeanor count of trying to bribe David Hale; is appealing a ten month prison sentence (The Arkansas Democrat-Gazette, "Whitewater Defendants" February 22, 1998)

19) Charles Matthews: Whitewater defendant, pleaded guilty to two misdemeanor counts of bribery, served fourteen months of a sixteen month prison sentence (The Arkansas Democrat-Gazette, "Whitewater Defendants" February 22, 1998)

ESPY:

20) Tyson Foods: guilty plea; $6 million federal court fines and investigative costs (Washington Post "Tyson Foods Admits Illegal Gifts to Espy" December 30, 1997)

21) Sun-Diamond Growers: $1.5 million fine for illegal campaign contributions to Espy's brother (Associated Press "A Look at Mike Espy Investigation" August 27, 1997)

22) Richard Douglas: former Sun-Diamond Growers official; several bribery convictions and guilty pleas(Washington Post "Tyson Foods Admits Illegal Gifts to Espy" December 30, 1997; Associated Press: "Lobbyist Pleads guilty in Espy Case" March 17, 1998)

23) James H. Lake: Sun-Diamond Growers lobbyist; three convictions regarding illegal campaign contributions to Espy's brother (Associated Press "A Look at Mike Espy Investigation" August 27, 1997)

24) Ron Blackley: Espy's chief of staff: financial fraud conviction; twenty-seven month prison sentence (Washington Post "Tyson Foods Admits Illegal Gifts to Espy" December 30, 1997; Associated Press: "Judge Sentences Espy Aide to Jail" March 18, 1998)

25) Smith Barney: improper payments to Espy; $1 million-plus fine (Associated Press: "A Look at Mike Espy Investigation" August 27, 1997)

26) Crop Growers Corporation: $2 million fine for money laundering to Henry Espy's campaign (Associated Press: "A Look at Mike Espy Investigation" August 27, 1997)

27) Brook Keith Mitchell Sr. (with his company Five M Farming Enterprises: four counts) for fraud (Associated Press: "A Look at Mike Espy Investigation" August 27, 1997)

28) Five M Farming Enterprises (with owner Brook Keith Mitchell: four counts) for fraud (Associated Press: "A Look at Mike Espy Investigation" August 27, 1997)

29) John J. Hemmingson, former head of Crop Growers Corporation: three counts relating to illegal campaign contributions to Henry Espy (Associated Press: "A Look at Mike Espy Investigation" August 27, 1997)

30) Alvarez T. Ferrouillet, Jr., Louisiana lawyer and Henry Espy campaign finance head: ten count conviction (Associated Press: "A Look at Mike Espy Investigation" August 27, 1997)

31) Municipal Healthcare Cooperative: Ferrouillet-related company; perjury, bank fraud, money laundering convictions (Washington Post: "Tyson Foods Admits Illegal Gifts to Espy" December 30, 1997)

32) Ferrouillet & Ferrouillet: Ferrouillet-related company; perjury, bank fraud, money laundering convictions (Washington Post: "Tyson Foods Admits Illegal Gifts to Espy" December 30, 1997)

CAMPAIGN FINANCE:

33) Michael Brown (Ron Brown's son): money laundering; misdemeanor conviction (Los Angeles Times, "Ron Brown's Son Pleads Guilty to Illegal Donation" August 29, 1997)

34) Eugene Lum: Clinton/Gore campaign contributor and colleague; felony conviction; money laundering (Los Angeles Times, "First Fund-Raising Sentences Meted Out" September 10, 1997)

35) Nora Lum: Clinton/Gore campaign contributor and colleague; felony conviction; money laundering (Los Angeles Times, "First Fund-Raising Sentences Meted Out" September 10, 1997)

36) Johnny Chung: Clinton/Gore campaign contributor and colleague; many visits to Clinton White House and Oval Office with mainland Chinese associates; several illegal campaign contributions, money laundering, tax fraud, and bank fraud guilty pleas (Associated Press: "Democrat Fund-Raiser Pleads Guilty" March 17, 1998)

37) Roger Tamraz: Clinton/Gore campaign contributor and colleague; many visits to Clinton White House and Oval Office; fugitive from Lebanon embezzlement convictions; target of French government financial investigation; BCCI connections (The Wall Street Journal: "Integrity of the Institutions" March 20, 1997, et. al.) CISNEROS:

38) Linda Jones: Henry Cisneros mistress; conspiracy, bank fraud, money laundering, and obstruction of justice federal felony guilty pleas; sentenced to three and one-half years in prison (Associated Press: "Cisneros Ex-Mistress Sentenced" March 25, 1998)

39) Patsy Jo Wooten: Linda Jones sister; one conspiracy guilty plea (Associated Press: "Cisneros Ex-Mistress Sentenced" March 25, 1998)

40) Allen Wooten: Linda Jones brother-in-law; one conspiracy guilty plea (Associated Press: "Cisneros Ex-Mistress Sentenced" March 25, 1998)

FORD
05-26-2005, 02:22 PM
Here's the thing about witch hunts. They start out sure they're going to find evidence of a certain charge (i.e a nominally shady real estate deal) and then when a ridiculous amount of time and resources have been WASTED investigating such matters and not coming up with jack shit, the investigators, and the fascist cunts who cheer them on, feel they have to find something - ANYTHING - that they can find the suspect "guilty" of, even if it has nothing whatsoever to do with the original charges. In some cases, they might even have to invent the circumstances to entrap the suspect.

And while the end result might be spun to make the suspect look guilty, it also paints the so called investigators as exactly what they are - LYING SCUMBAG PIECES OF FUCKING SHIT!!

Warham
05-26-2005, 02:28 PM
But you don't love Hillary, FORD.

Are you defending her now?

4moreyears
05-26-2005, 02:59 PM
Originally posted by FORD
Here's the thing about witch hunts. They start out sure they're going to find evidence of a certain charge (i.e a nominally shady real estate deal) and then when a ridiculous amount of time and resources have been WASTED investigating such matters and not coming up with jack shit, the investigators, and the fascist cunts who cheer them on, feel they have to find something - ANYTHING - that they can find the suspect "guilty" of, even if it has nothing whatsoever to do with the original charges. In some cases, they might even have to invent the circumstances to entrap the suspect.

And while the end result might be spun to make the suspect look guilty, it also paints the so called investigators as exactly what they are - LYING SCUMBAG PIECES OF FUCKING SHIT!!

Like you are not guilty of the same thing right here. What a hypocrite.

Rubnose
05-26-2005, 11:19 PM
Are people really considering her as a candidate? Her whole becoming NY Senetor is so contrived and phoney it is beyond me that one would intelligently cast a vote for her. That is why I expect all the un- intelligent democrats to support this unqualified woman.

Honestly, she has really done nothing for the state of New York except promote herself as some sort of new found moderate, that we all clearly see through, in an attept to become President.

I really detest this piece of shit so called woman. She is so self absorbed it makes me ill. As much as I hate her stupid phoney husband, I would vote for him sooner then I would even entertain the pathetic thought of giving her my vote.

She is a dumb person with dumb ideas who needs to ride coat tails to acquire any position. Remember midnight basketball?

In fact I hope she does run and the GOP puts it support behind Laura Bush as it's nominee cause I guarantee the good people of the united states would rather have a decent woman like Mrs. Bush in charge then a wormy, sneaky hag like Hillary.


Sorry everyone but I just do not like someone who holds office but does nothing except for the advancement ofthemselves.

magikmountn2
05-28-2005, 12:52 AM
Originally posted by Warham
No conspiracy. It's documented.

http://www.gargaro.com/clintonconvicts.html

VARIOUS ARKANSAS:

1) Roger Clinton: Bill Clinton brother; drug trafficking conviction (Wall Street Journal "The Foster Test" January 14, 1994)

2) Dan Lasater: governor Bill Clinton contributor and state contractor: drug trafficking conviction (Wall Street Journal "The Foster Test" January 14, 1994)

3) Dan Harmon: Arkansas Seventh Judicial District prosecuting attorney and Bill Clinton friend and political ally: five federal racketeering, extortion, and drug distribution convictions (Wall Street Journal "Arkansas Justice" June 13, 1997)

4) Bill McCuen: Bill Clinton political ally: former Arkansas Secretary of State; bribery, tax evasion, kickbacks convictions (Wall Street Journal: Whitewater: "The Prosecution Rests" May 7, 1996)

WHITEWATER:

5) Webster Hubbell: Bill Clinton friend and political ally; Hillary Clinton Rose Law Firm partner: embezzlement; fraud; two felony convictions (Wall Street Journal "Whither Whitewater?" October 18, 1995)

6) Jim Guy Tucker: fraud; three felony convictions (Wall Street Journal "Second-Term Stall" February 11, 1997; Associated Press "Tucker Pleads Guilty to Cable Fraud" February 20, 1998)

7) William J. Marks Sr.: Jim Guy Tucker business partner; one conspiracy conviction (Associated Press "Whitewater Defendant Pleads Guilty" August 28, 1997)

8) Jim McDougal: Bill and Hillary Clinton friend, banker, and political ally: eighteen felony convictions (Wall Street Journal "Immunize Hale" May 29, 1996)

9) Susan McDougal: Bill and Hillary Clinton friend; former wife of Jim McDougal: four felony convictions (Wall Street Journal "Immunize Hale" May 29, 1996)

10) David Hale: Bill and Hillary Clinton friend, banker, and political ally: two felony convictions of conspiracy and mail fraud (Wall Street Journal "The Arkansas Machine Strikes Back" March 19, 1996)

11) Chris Wade: Whitewater real estate broker; two felony convictions (Wall Street Journal "Hard Evidence From a Federal Investigator" August 10, 1995)

12) Stephen Smith: former Governor Clinton aide; one conviction (Wall Street Journal "Hard Evidence From a Federal Investigator" August 10, 1995)

13) Larry Kuca: Madison real estate agent; fraudulent loans (Wall Steet Journal "Hard Evidence From a Federal Investigator" August 10, 1995)

14) Robert Palmer: Madison appraiser; one conspiracy felony conviction (Wall Street Journal "Hale Predicts Hillary Conviction" October 21, 1996)

15) Neal Ainley: Perry County Bank president; embezzled bank funds for Clinton campaign; two misdemeanor convictions (Wall Street Journal "Arkansas Bank Shot" May 4, 1995)

16) John Latham: Madison Bank CEO; bank fraud conviction (Wall Street Journal "Smoke Without Fire" January 12, 1996)

17) John Haley: attorney for Jim Guy Tucker; misdemeanor guilty plea; tax fraud (Associated Press "Tucker Pleads Guilty to Cable Fraud" February 20, 1998)

18) Eugene Fitzhugh: Whitewater defendant, pleaded guilty to one misdemeanor count of trying to bribe David Hale; is appealing a ten month prison sentence (The Arkansas Democrat-Gazette, "Whitewater Defendants" February 22, 1998)

19) Charles Matthews: Whitewater defendant, pleaded guilty to two misdemeanor counts of bribery, served fourteen months of a sixteen month prison sentence (The Arkansas Democrat-Gazette, "Whitewater Defendants" February 22, 1998)

ESPY:

20) Tyson Foods: guilty plea; $6 million federal court fines and investigative costs (Washington Post "Tyson Foods Admits Illegal Gifts to Espy" December 30, 1997)

21) Sun-Diamond Growers: $1.5 million fine for illegal campaign contributions to Espy's brother (Associated Press "A Look at Mike Espy Investigation" August 27, 1997)

22) Richard Douglas: former Sun-Diamond Growers official; several bribery convictions and guilty pleas(Washington Post "Tyson Foods Admits Illegal Gifts to Espy" December 30, 1997; Associated Press: "Lobbyist Pleads guilty in Espy Case" March 17, 1998)

23) James H. Lake: Sun-Diamond Growers lobbyist; three convictions regarding illegal campaign contributions to Espy's brother (Associated Press "A Look at Mike Espy Investigation" August 27, 1997)

24) Ron Blackley: Espy's chief of staff: financial fraud conviction; twenty-seven month prison sentence (Washington Post "Tyson Foods Admits Illegal Gifts to Espy" December 30, 1997; Associated Press: "Judge Sentences Espy Aide to Jail" March 18, 1998)

25) Smith Barney: improper payments to Espy; $1 million-plus fine (Associated Press: "A Look at Mike Espy Investigation" August 27, 1997)

26) Crop Growers Corporation: $2 million fine for money laundering to Henry Espy's campaign (Associated Press: "A Look at Mike Espy Investigation" August 27, 1997)

27) Brook Keith Mitchell Sr. (with his company Five M Farming Enterprises: four counts) for fraud (Associated Press: "A Look at Mike Espy Investigation" August 27, 1997)

28) Five M Farming Enterprises (with owner Brook Keith Mitchell: four counts) for fraud (Associated Press: "A Look at Mike Espy Investigation" August 27, 1997)

29) John J. Hemmingson, former head of Crop Growers Corporation: three counts relating to illegal campaign contributions to Henry Espy (Associated Press: "A Look at Mike Espy Investigation" August 27, 1997)

30) Alvarez T. Ferrouillet, Jr., Louisiana lawyer and Henry Espy campaign finance head: ten count conviction (Associated Press: "A Look at Mike Espy Investigation" August 27, 1997)

31) Municipal Healthcare Cooperative: Ferrouillet-related company; perjury, bank fraud, money laundering convictions (Washington Post: "Tyson Foods Admits Illegal Gifts to Espy" December 30, 1997)

32) Ferrouillet & Ferrouillet: Ferrouillet-related company; perjury, bank fraud, money laundering convictions (Washington Post: "Tyson Foods Admits Illegal Gifts to Espy" December 30, 1997)

CAMPAIGN FINANCE:

33) Michael Brown (Ron Brown's son): money laundering; misdemeanor conviction (Los Angeles Times, "Ron Brown's Son Pleads Guilty to Illegal Donation" August 29, 1997)

34) Eugene Lum: Clinton/Gore campaign contributor and colleague; felony conviction; money laundering (Los Angeles Times, "First Fund-Raising Sentences Meted Out" September 10, 1997)

35) Nora Lum: Clinton/Gore campaign contributor and colleague; felony conviction; money laundering (Los Angeles Times, "First Fund-Raising Sentences Meted Out" September 10, 1997)

36) Johnny Chung: Clinton/Gore campaign contributor and colleague; many visits to Clinton White House and Oval Office with mainland Chinese associates; several illegal campaign contributions, money laundering, tax fraud, and bank fraud guilty pleas (Associated Press: "Democrat Fund-Raiser Pleads Guilty" March 17, 1998)

37) Roger Tamraz: Clinton/Gore campaign contributor and colleague; many visits to Clinton White House and Oval Office; fugitive from Lebanon embezzlement convictions; target of French government financial investigation; BCCI connections (The Wall Street Journal: "Integrity of the Institutions" March 20, 1997, et. al.) CISNEROS:

38) Linda Jones: Henry Cisneros mistress; conspiracy, bank fraud, money laundering, and obstruction of justice federal felony guilty pleas; sentenced to three and one-half years in prison (Associated Press: "Cisneros Ex-Mistress Sentenced" March 25, 1998)

39) Patsy Jo Wooten: Linda Jones sister; one conspiracy guilty plea (Associated Press: "Cisneros Ex-Mistress Sentenced" March 25, 1998)

40) Allen Wooten: Linda Jones brother-in-law; one conspiracy guilty plea (Associated Press: "Cisneros Ex-Mistress Sentenced" March 25, 1998)

warham sir you are on it. you know more people have had to take it in the ass for the clintons than that though.
i know people that worked comms security for the clintons first term and they have nothing nice to say about hilary. does anybody really have anything nice to say about her that isnt trying to use some of her fund raising skills? since the clintons still control the democratic money we have to endure the love fest a little longer. they wont hold the money much longer so 08 is surely her year to go for it. i just hope the american public isnt stupid enough to vote her in. this book will do damage to hilary but not enough because it likely wont get any mainstream media support.

4moreyears
05-29-2005, 09:03 PM
Originally posted by magikmountn2
warham sir you are on it. you know more people have had to take it in the ass for the clintons than that though.
i know people that worked comms security for the clintons first term and they have nothing nice to say about hilary. does anybody really have anything nice to say about her that isnt trying to use some of her fund raising skills? since the clintons still control the democratic money we have to endure the love fest a little longer. they wont hold the money much longer so 08 is surely her year to go for it. i just hope the american public isnt stupid enough to vote her in. this book will do damage to hilary but not enough because it likely wont get any mainstream media support.

Could not have said it better myself.

JH

Cathedral
05-29-2005, 09:53 PM
I find it funny that she is already being defended before the book comes out and you defenders even know what exactly it is you are defending against, lol.

She is a bigger snake than her husband is.
In fact i don't even think there is a politician that isn't a snake.

I wouldn't vote for her if she were the only candidate on earth.

If we are ever going to have a woman president, she is not it, period.

FORD
05-29-2005, 10:08 PM
Hillary's not my candidate either. Her pandering to the right wing, especially the Likud lobby sickens me to no end. I'm just laughing my ass off at the illiterates and ignorant fucks (who seem to have invaded this board lately) ready to buy the next round of Swift Boat Liar style manipulation.

It's not about Hillary, or even Kerry (who I'm no fan of either) It's the fact that they will lie about ANYONE, of any party who stands in the way of their sick fascist agenda. Look at how they trashed McCain in 2000, and he's a Republican.

Cathedral
05-29-2005, 10:20 PM
Originally posted by FORD
Hillary's not my candidate either. Her pandering to the right wing, especially the Likud lobby sickens me to no end. I'm just laughing my ass off at the illiterates and ignorant fucks (who seem to have invaded this board lately) ready to buy the next round of Swift Boat Liar style manipulation.

It's not about Hillary, or even Kerry (who I'm no fan of either) It's the fact that they will lie about ANYONE, of any party who stands in the way of their sick fascist agenda. Look at how they trashed McCain in 2000, and he's a Republican.

I gotta agree with you, bro, corruption is running at a speed today that it has never before been capable of reaching.
I don't trust politicians, especially the one's who think you are in their corner and continue to lie to your face.

I would really like to see the slate wiped clean and the people of this Nation stand up and shut these crooked fucks down.
How both sides of the isle get busted in one controversy or another and turn on a spin machine that pretty much makes people overlook them is complete bullshit.

You would swear that the voters were blind by the way things are spun anymore.

Fuck Them All, Just don't do it by being silent because that doesn't work and if good people don't vote for good people we all end up being governed by people dumber than we are.

The number of people who didn't vote in the last election compared to the number of people that did just crushes me inside.
So many people just don't care and i don't understand that at all.

Nickdfresh
05-30-2005, 02:24 PM
Originally posted by 4moreyears
Could not have said it better myself.

JH

Couldn't have written it worse either.;)

Nickdfresh
05-30-2005, 02:34 PM
Originally posted by Rubnose
Are people really considering her as a candidate? Her whole becoming NY Senetor is so contrived and phoney it is beyond me that one would intelligently cast a vote for her. That is why I expect all the un- intelligent democrats to support this unqualified woman.

"Un-intelligent?" Actually I, and more than a few other Republicans, voted for her. She certainly was not my first choice, but since you're such a fucking expert on NYS politics, why don't you tell me who ran against her and what he is doing now? c'mon, without Googling boy! Who was the wunderkind wanker that was financed largely from out of state sources, much like the fools in Virginia that are throwing their money into the electoral landfill that is Gov. George Pataki?


Honestly, she has really done nothing for the state of New York except promote herself as some sort of new found moderate, that we all clearly see through, in an attept to become President.

Honestly, she's done far more for NY than any other freshman Senator could have done. She's actually gotten rave reviews here. So I am not sure what state your from. While I do not want to see her as a Presidential Candidtate, she can remain my Senator 'til death do us part.


I really detest this piece of shit so called woman. She is so self absorbed it makes me ill. As much as I hate her stupid phoney husband, I would vote for him sooner then I would even entertain the pathetic thought of giving her my vote.

Really? Why? Did talk radio tell you to hate her?


She is a dumb person with dumb ideas who needs to ride coat tails to acquire any position. Remember midnight basketball?

Dumb? The only dumb thing is your remark, most, even her enemies, consider her exceptionally bright.


In fact I hope she does run and the GOP puts it support behind Laura Bush as it's nominee cause I guarantee the good people of the united states would rather have a decent woman like Mrs. Bush in charge then a wormy, sneaky hag like Hillary.

I'd take that matchup, unfortunately the GOP isn't stupid enough to take that option.



Sorry everyone but I just do not like someone who holds office but does nothing except for the advancement ofthemselves. [/B]

Then you must hate just about ALL politicians. Especially Tom DeLay and George Bush.;) :D

Warham
05-30-2005, 03:45 PM
I'm still waiting for you to vote for a Republican, Nick.

Nickdfresh
05-30-2005, 04:04 PM
Originally posted by Warham
I'm still waiting for you to vote for a Republican, Nick.

Field a decent candidate and NICK will vote.:D

Warham
05-30-2005, 04:05 PM
Name a GOP president in the last fifty years you would have voted for.

Nickdfresh
05-30-2005, 04:28 PM
You mean final Presidential Candidates? I wouldn't have voted for NIXON, maybe FORD, perhaps Reagan, and maybe IKE.

I definitely would have voted for Nelson ROCKEFELLER if he had beaten GOLDWATER for the nomination in 64.' I actually did vote for BUSH Snr. (we all make mistakes;)), and I voted for McCAIN in the NY Rep. Primary, and probably would have went for him over GORE.

Perhaps I am not a Liberal as you think?:confused:

Vice President Nelson Rockefeller gives hecklers the finger in New York

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/90/Rockefellergivesfinger.jpg

Seshmeister
05-30-2005, 08:46 PM
Women shouldn't hold office in any case particularly the top job.

It's insanity.

We tried it once and it was a disaster.

Cathedral
05-31-2005, 12:15 AM
Originally posted by Nickdfresh
You mean final Presidential Candidates? I wouldn't have voted for NIXON, maybe FORD, perhaps Reagan, and maybe IKE.

I definitely would have voted for Nelson ROCKEFELLER if he had beaten GOLDWATER for the nomination in 64.' I actually did vote for BUSH Snr. (we all make mistakes;)), and I voted for McCAIN in the NY Rep. Primary, and probably would have went for him over GORE.

Perhaps I am not a Liberal as you think?:confused:

Vice President Nelson Rockefeller gives hecklers the finger in New York

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/90/Rockefellergivesfinger.jpg

You voted for Bush Sr.?
Don't fret it, Nick. I voted for his first term also, but went Perot on the next election because he abandoned the Iraqi's after they stood up to Saddam and got slaughtered.

But in my case i went one worse and voted for his son twice.
I admit in 2000 i was an anyone but Gore kind of guy.
And last year i went the Bush sheep route and did an anyone but Kerry vote, i wasted it.

Were human, bro, and prone to make mistakes.

The only vote i am proud of that i cast in my lifetime was for Reagan, the man was an awesome President in my humbled opinion.

4moreyears
07-26-2005, 07:20 AM
Originally posted by Seshmeister
Women shouldn't hold office in any case particularly the top job.

It's insanity.

We tried it once and it was a disaster.

Agreed.

FORD
07-26-2005, 08:59 AM
You necroposted this thread just for that?

God damn some people need lives :rolleyes:

Seshmeister
07-26-2005, 10:14 AM
Originally posted by FORD
You necroposted this thread just for that?

God damn some people need lives :rolleyes:

Hey It's a serious point!

Just because some weird accepted convention has grown around women holding office doesn't mean it's right.

Pink Spider
07-26-2005, 12:02 PM
Originally posted by Seshmeister
Women shouldn't hold office in any case particularly the top job.

It's insanity.

We tried it once and it was a disaster.

Women will always be telling men what to do. Keeping them out of office isn't going to stop that. :D

Hardrock69
07-26-2005, 12:42 PM
Here are som photo excerpts from the book:

dick picture removed per Roth Army policy

Hardrock69
07-26-2005, 12:47 PM
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Dick picture removed as per Roth Army policy

Hardrock69
07-26-2005, 12:53 PM
http://www.rotharmy.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=486681

Seshmeister
07-26-2005, 03:18 PM
Originally posted by Pink Spider
Women will always be telling men what to do. Keeping them out of office isn't going to stop that. :D

No but it helps slightly.

Since they run everything else by dripping tap moaning I think it's only fair that they aren't allowed to hold public office.

They also shouldn't be allowed to work in environments where they make up more than 20% of the staff as it just causes trouble.

Of course you would need exceptions for hookers, strippers and nurses.

Cheers!

:gulp:

Nickdfresh
07-26-2005, 09:03 PM
The author on this book was interviewed on "Air America" by Al FRANKEN and friends. No, actually he was grilled and embarrassed on how little he actually knew about CLINTON, and basically admitted that he lied or misrepresented a significant portion of the book. He didn't even spell many of the names right.

He's also a lier when it comes to his motivation for writing such a vitriolic piece of shit, he did it for the money that little douche bag radical rightests would pay to read a book filled with errors and lies.