Seshmeister
06-03-2005, 10:24 PM
Gordon Brown is a really smart economist who is going to be the next Prime minister of the UK in a year or two. He's kept the UK with a good economy for 8 years now which is what save Blair at the last election. He's come up with a plan for Africa which will work. Did you know that in the West we spend 16 times as much on subsidies for fucking farmers as we do in AID for Africa? It's ok for Chrysler or Rover to go out of business but we need protect the fucking farmer's because then we can watch the babies in Africa die.
This is it as far as I'm concerned. It's a totally logical fair,cheap plan to sort shit out and if the special interest groups in the US stop it from happening again then I'm gonna start being one of the assholes firebombing MacDonalds too...
And before someone starts the 'it's Africa's leaders fault they'll spend it all on palaces and arms' there is protection against that in the plan.
Bush is a Christian? This is your big chance dummy.
Gordon Brown is worried that time is running out for Africa
The UK Chancellor Gordon Brown has put forward a bold plan to tackle poverty in Africa ahead of the G8 Summit of rich countries in Scotland next month.
He called for a doubling of European aid by 2010 and 100% debt relief, as well as an end to many trade subsidies.
But the plan is facing opposition in the US - and particularly from President George W Bush.
Mr Bush's stance sets up a possible clash with UK Prime Minister Tony Blair, due in Washington next week.
Mr Bush said on Wednesday that a key part of the plan did not fit with the US budget process.
The UK is pushing hard for major debt relief and a doubling of aid to Africa, and Chancellor Gordon Brown laid out a set of ambitious plans on Friday.
This is not a time for timidity nor a time to fear reaching too high
Gordon Brown, UK Finance Minister
Brown waives Live 8 VAT
The UK has said that 2005 is a vital year for Africa, and argues that without significantly more money the United Nations' Millennium Goal of halving world poverty by 2015 will be impossible to meet.
The UK is one of six European nations who have pledged to increase their aid target to 0.7% of GDP by that year, a figure which only five countries have managed to reach so far.
However the US has said that the target is not a realistic one for it to work towards.
US Treasury spokesman Tony Fratto told BBC's Newsnight programme: "The problem at looking at targets of 0.7% of GDP is that when people focus on numbers like that they don't know what they are talking about in nominal terms.
"They don't know how much money is available and how much money is in the pipeline."
'Doesn't fit'
Speaking in Edinburgh, Mr Brown said he would present the new British proposals to the leaders of the G8 summit next month, to the European Union, and the UN.
As well as 100% debt relief, Mr Brown wants to set up an International Finance Facility (IFF) to double development aid to Africa in order to pay for education and medical programmes like mass immunisation.
BROWN'S FOUR-POINT PLAN FOR AFRICA
100% debt relief to pay for education and health
Launch International Finance Facility for Immunisation
Large increase in direct development aid, doubling of aid from European countries
Removal of export subsidies and all trade-distorting support to agriculture, which work against producers in the developing world
Source: Chancellor Gordon Brown, 3 June speech
He also said that the EU would double its own aid to $80bn a year by 2010.
But the US remains concerned that the UK is proposing that the debt plans should be financed in part by selling gold reserves held by the International Monetary Fund (IMF).
A surge in the price of gold has boosted the value of the reserve, and the UK wants to use that extra cash.
The US - along with some other countries including Japan, Germany and Italy - has never been keen on the idea of selling IMF gold.
Washington has also raised questions over the IFF, which would allow developing countries to borrow against future aid pledges.
Mr Bush said on Wednesday that the IFF for Africa "doesn't fit our budgetary process".
The US has already pledged to increase development aid through its own Millennium Challenge Account, but little of the money has been spent so far.
Getting closer
Analysts say the war in Iraq and its related costs have pushed Africa off the US agenda, and think a change in priorities is unlikely.
"What the UK is proposing is not a cost-free policy," said Marina Ottoway, a senior associate at Carnegie Endowment in Washington. "Africa has not really had much of a constituency in the US."
According to Reuters, UK government sources have been talking about pressing ahead even without US involvement.
Even that may prove difficult, Ms Ottoway explained, since agreements with the World Bank and International Monetary Fund are multilateral and any changes would therefore require US backing.
Similar strictures apply to the trade agreements, and the European Union is unlikely to drop subsidies unless the US does the same, she said.
Mr Brown played down reports of a rift or stand-off between the UK and the US.
"In my talks over the last few months, but particularly over the last day or two, with the US Treasury Secretary, we believe that there is common ground on securing that debt relief," he explained.
"We believe it is going to be possible to reach an agreement on debt relief."
"This is not a time for timidity nor a time to fear reaching too high."
This is it as far as I'm concerned. It's a totally logical fair,cheap plan to sort shit out and if the special interest groups in the US stop it from happening again then I'm gonna start being one of the assholes firebombing MacDonalds too...
And before someone starts the 'it's Africa's leaders fault they'll spend it all on palaces and arms' there is protection against that in the plan.
Bush is a Christian? This is your big chance dummy.
Gordon Brown is worried that time is running out for Africa
The UK Chancellor Gordon Brown has put forward a bold plan to tackle poverty in Africa ahead of the G8 Summit of rich countries in Scotland next month.
He called for a doubling of European aid by 2010 and 100% debt relief, as well as an end to many trade subsidies.
But the plan is facing opposition in the US - and particularly from President George W Bush.
Mr Bush's stance sets up a possible clash with UK Prime Minister Tony Blair, due in Washington next week.
Mr Bush said on Wednesday that a key part of the plan did not fit with the US budget process.
The UK is pushing hard for major debt relief and a doubling of aid to Africa, and Chancellor Gordon Brown laid out a set of ambitious plans on Friday.
This is not a time for timidity nor a time to fear reaching too high
Gordon Brown, UK Finance Minister
Brown waives Live 8 VAT
The UK has said that 2005 is a vital year for Africa, and argues that without significantly more money the United Nations' Millennium Goal of halving world poverty by 2015 will be impossible to meet.
The UK is one of six European nations who have pledged to increase their aid target to 0.7% of GDP by that year, a figure which only five countries have managed to reach so far.
However the US has said that the target is not a realistic one for it to work towards.
US Treasury spokesman Tony Fratto told BBC's Newsnight programme: "The problem at looking at targets of 0.7% of GDP is that when people focus on numbers like that they don't know what they are talking about in nominal terms.
"They don't know how much money is available and how much money is in the pipeline."
'Doesn't fit'
Speaking in Edinburgh, Mr Brown said he would present the new British proposals to the leaders of the G8 summit next month, to the European Union, and the UN.
As well as 100% debt relief, Mr Brown wants to set up an International Finance Facility (IFF) to double development aid to Africa in order to pay for education and medical programmes like mass immunisation.
BROWN'S FOUR-POINT PLAN FOR AFRICA
100% debt relief to pay for education and health
Launch International Finance Facility for Immunisation
Large increase in direct development aid, doubling of aid from European countries
Removal of export subsidies and all trade-distorting support to agriculture, which work against producers in the developing world
Source: Chancellor Gordon Brown, 3 June speech
He also said that the EU would double its own aid to $80bn a year by 2010.
But the US remains concerned that the UK is proposing that the debt plans should be financed in part by selling gold reserves held by the International Monetary Fund (IMF).
A surge in the price of gold has boosted the value of the reserve, and the UK wants to use that extra cash.
The US - along with some other countries including Japan, Germany and Italy - has never been keen on the idea of selling IMF gold.
Washington has also raised questions over the IFF, which would allow developing countries to borrow against future aid pledges.
Mr Bush said on Wednesday that the IFF for Africa "doesn't fit our budgetary process".
The US has already pledged to increase development aid through its own Millennium Challenge Account, but little of the money has been spent so far.
Getting closer
Analysts say the war in Iraq and its related costs have pushed Africa off the US agenda, and think a change in priorities is unlikely.
"What the UK is proposing is not a cost-free policy," said Marina Ottoway, a senior associate at Carnegie Endowment in Washington. "Africa has not really had much of a constituency in the US."
According to Reuters, UK government sources have been talking about pressing ahead even without US involvement.
Even that may prove difficult, Ms Ottoway explained, since agreements with the World Bank and International Monetary Fund are multilateral and any changes would therefore require US backing.
Similar strictures apply to the trade agreements, and the European Union is unlikely to drop subsidies unless the US does the same, she said.
Mr Brown played down reports of a rift or stand-off between the UK and the US.
"In my talks over the last few months, but particularly over the last day or two, with the US Treasury Secretary, we believe that there is common ground on securing that debt relief," he explained.
"We believe it is going to be possible to reach an agreement on debt relief."
"This is not a time for timidity nor a time to fear reaching too high."