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Nickdfresh
06-08-2005, 05:09 AM
Jun 8, 4:36 AM EDT

Official: Rebels Open to Talk With Iraq
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By HAMZA HENDAWI
Associated Press Writer

BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) -- A Sunni Arab politician said Tuesday two insurgent groups were willing to negotiate with the government, possibly opening a new political front in embattled Iraq. But a string of coordinated deadly bombings signaled that militants remain fierce.

The former Cabinet minister said he had established contact with the groups which account for a large part of the Sunni insurgents and were responsible for attacks against Iraqis and foreigners, including assassinations and kidnappings.

It was the first public disclosure that such negotiations might be in the offing with specific groups, but independent confirmation was not possible. Al-Jaafari's government declined comment.

At least 32 lives were claimed in the day's violence, which included four explosions within seven minutes in and around Hawija, 40 miles southwest of Kirkuk, and the killings of a Sunni cleric and a foreign ministry employee. The fatalities pushed the death toll to 879 in the 5 1/2 weeks since the government was formed.

Former electricity minister Ayham al-Samarie told The Associated Press the Islamic Army in Iraq and the Army of Mujahedeen - or holy warriors - were ready to open talks with the Shiite-led government aimed at eventually joining the political process.

The claim appears consistent with comments from a senior Shiite legislator, Hummam Hammoudi, who told the AP last week the government had opened indirect channels of communication with some insurgent groups.

The contacts were "becoming more promising and they give us reason to continue," Hammoudi said without providing details.

Al-Samarie, an Illinois Institute of Technology graduate who holds dual U.S. and Iraqi citizenship, said the two groups represent more than 50 percent of the "resistance." He excluded the al-Qaida in Iraq group which has carried out some of the bloodiest attacks and is headed by a non-Iraqi, Jordanian-born Abu Musab al-Zarqawi.

U.S. military officials believe about 12,000 to 20,000 fighters, including supporters, make up the insurgency.

Al-Samarie said he began contacting insurgent political leaders about five months ago. He did not meet any field commanders, he said, but would not name those he contacted or say who else joined in the meetings.

"Guns will not solve the problem. Guns never solved any problems; it's always politics that solves problems," he said. "How can they (the government) solve the problem without talking to the resistance? The resistance exists and everyone knows it exists."

Al-Samarie said he told the insurgent leaders they had to "come out to the political arena."

"We told them that 'no one knows what you want,'" he said, speaking in his home in an upscale Baghdad neighborhood. "'You say you want the occupier to leave Iraq but what do you want after that? You must have a political agenda.'"

The insurgent leaders agreed "that the time has come for them to come out," al-Samarie said.

The Islamic Army in Iraq is a significant insurgent group that has claimed responsibility for attacks on U.S. and Iraqi forces as recently as in the last two weeks.

The group, most active in Baghdad and the region directly to the south, generally avoids bombings. Besides attacks against U.S. forces, it has claimed responsibility for assassinations of Iraqi government officials and the killings of an Italian journalist and Pakistani contractors. It released two French journalists in December 2004 after holding them for 124 days.

It claims thousands in its ranks and says its members are predominantly Iraqi. According to insurgent statements, the group has at times collaborated with the al-Qaida in Iraq network of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi and the Ansar al-Sunnah Army.

Less is known about the Mujahedeen Army, but it has claimed responsibility for scores of attacks, including the April downing of a helicopter carrying 11 civilians, among them six Americans, and the kidnapping of Indonesian journalists who were released unharmed in February.

The effort to begin talks comes at a delicate time for the government, criticized by Sunni Arab groups for deliberately targeting the minority in counterinsurgency campaigns such as the ongoing Operation Lighting in Baghdad.

The influential Sunni Association of Muslim Scholars said the operation, which has led to nearly 900 arrests, could spark sectarian strife. Now in its second week, the campaign involves thousands of Iraqi security forces and 7,000 U.S. troops, according to the U.S. military.

"We tried to reduce tension, but the government took another path. What is being done by the army during the raids and the arrests is only enhancing the culture of hatred," said association spokesman Abdul-Salam al-Qubeisi.

In Hawija, the first explosion, caused by a roadside bomb, killed no one. But the next three killed 18, with the deadliest coming at a checkpoint in Dibis, on Hawija's outskirts - which killed 10. At least 39 people were wounded.

"I was standing some distance from the checkpoint when I heard a big explosion and I was thrown onto the ground," Lt. Sadiq Mohammed, 26, whose right leg was wounded, said from his hospital bed. "This is a terrorist act because real resistance should only target American troops, not Iraqis trying to protect their country."

Near the Syrian border, an American-backed military operation zeroed in on insurgents in Tal Afar, sending tanks and Bradley fighting vehicles to patrol the narrow streets under the cover of helicopters, witnesses said. About 20 suspected insurgents were captured, Tal Afar police Capt. Amjad Hashim said.

Two U.S. Marines also died Monday after separate roadside bombings near Fallujah, the military said Tuesday. A U.S. soldier died of non-combat related injuries near Baghdad International Airport.

On Wednesday, the military said three U.S. soldiers had died in two attacks. Two 42nd Infantry Division Soldiers were killed in an indirect fire attack on their base in Tikrit late Tuesday, and a roadside bomb exploded near another U.S. vehicle north of Baghdad, officials said.

At least 1,679 U.S. military members have died since the Iraq war began in March 2003, according to an Associated Press count.

In Habaniya, 50 miles west of Baghdad, insurgents attacked a supply convoy carrying supplies to an American base, and local reporters said they saw at least seven bodies, all of which appeared to be Iraqi men in their 20s and 30s. The U.S. military and American diplomats said they were not aware of any Americans in the convoy.

Elsewhere, a mortar attack at a U.S. base near Fallujah left three Iraqis dead; and gunmen killed four Iraqis in Mosul, a Sunni cleric in southern Basra and a foreign ministry employee in Baghdad.

Laith Kuba, spokesman for Prime Minister Ibrahim al-Jaafari, who earlier this week indicated Saddam Hussein could go on trial within two months, said Tuesday the timing was in the hands of the Iraqi Special Tribunal and no trial date had been set.

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Associated Press writers Yehia Barzanji in Kirkuk, Iraq, contributed to this report.

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BigBadBrian
06-08-2005, 10:23 AM
Originally posted by Nickdfresh
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It claims thousands in its ranks and says its members are predominantly Iraqi. According to insurgent statements, the group has at times collaborated with the al-Qaida in Iraq network of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi and the Ansar al-Sunnah Army.



FORD, are the BCE responsible for both the of these groups or just al-Zarqawi? Hmm? :rolleyes:

Nickdfresh
06-08-2005, 03:05 PM
I'm hoping this is our ticket out of the IRAQI "quagmire." "Peace with honor?"

DLR'sCock
06-08-2005, 03:26 PM
The vast majority of insurgents are Iraqis and eventual negotiation with their own people could be a good thing. Hopefully this is a beginning of getting out.

Nickdfresh
06-09-2005, 08:34 AM
June 9, 2005

Indirect U.S. Talks With Iraq Rebels Reported
Religious figures and politicians act as intermediaries, an official in Baghdad says.

By Borzou Daragahi, Times (http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-iraq9jun09,0,6688456.story?page=1&coll=la-home-world) Staff Writer

BAGHDAD — The U.S. Embassy has held indirect talks with members of violent Iraqi insurgent groups, a U.S. official said Wednesday, edging back from a long-standing position not to negotiate with terrorists or those who have American or Iraqi blood on their hands.

"People stop shooting at us, and we — and I think the Iraqi government — are ready to engage," said the U.S. official, who spoke to a group of Western reporters on condition of anonymity. "People willing to condemn the use of violence, particularly against the Iraqi people, we're willing to engage."

The U.S. is hoping to persuade Iraq's insurgents to lay down their weapons and join the political process. But the insurgency is thought to be made up of diverse groups of fighters, and it is unclear how broad a cross-section has been involved in the contacts with the United States.

No details on the substance of the talks were made public, and it was not known whether they had yielded any results.

Reports of meetings between figures associated with the insurgency and American officials began emerging earlier this year.

U.S. military commanders in war-torn swaths of Iraq have long sent olive branches and ultimatums to militants through local tribal and religious leaders. A Pentagon official, who declined to be identified by name because of the subject's sensitivity, described those interactions as informal and non-substantive. "There has been some dialogue with these guys, but no negotiations," the official said.

The talks confirmed by the U.S. official in Baghdad on Wednesday appeared to be more formal contacts between insurgents and U.S. diplomats, mainly using Sunni Arab political and religious figures as go-betweens. Abdul-Salam Kubaysi, a leader of the Muslim Scholars Assn., an influential Sunni Arab group, said he knew of at least three instances in which figures close to the insurgency had approached the U.S. Embassy about the prospects of cutting a deal, the latest within the last week.

More than 1,680 U.S. troops, and thousands of Iraqis, have been killed as Iraq's insurgency has raged. For months, Iraq's interim leaders have been in contact with representatives of insurgent groups, trying to bring them into the political process. But the new participation of the Americans in such talks might help convince the guerrillas that the negotiations could have substantial results.

The involvement of diplomats in indirect negotiations with insurgents may also be a signal that the U.S. is subtly shifting to a more pragmatic and less rigid policy as casualties continue to mount more than two years after the March 2003 invasion.

The discussions could also indicate a new willingness on the part of guerrillas to lay down their weapons. Former Electricity Minister Ayham Sameraei, a Sunni Arab, told Associated Press this week that the Islamic Army in Iraq and the Mujahedin Army, two militant groups that have claimed responsibility for attacks on Americans and kidnappings of foreigners, have approached him about the prospect of making peace with the new Iraqi government.

Indirect talks with American officials started six to eight weeks ago, said an insurgent leader in the western town of Ramadi.

"There is a secret kind of dialogue between the resistance and the Americans," said the man, known by the nickname Abu Diham. "It's done through mediators. We try to put our conditions forward to the Americans."

Among their demands are an end to U.S. troops' raids on homes, an amnesty for fighters and the release of prisoners.

The Americans say their message is that the longer the insurgents fight, the longer U.S. troops will stay.

"We really are sincere when we say the only reason we're staying here is that you're shooting at us to try and get us out," one U.S. official in Baghdad said recently.

Deep disagreements complicate any potential settlement between insurgents and Americans and their Iraqi allies. Many Sunni Arab politicians have demanded a timetable for the withdrawal of U.S. and other foreign troops. The Bush administration and the transitional government dominated by Shiite Muslims and Kurds have resisted setting any date for a withdrawal of U.S. forces, saying it cannot happen until Iraqi police and military forces become stronger.

Although some Iraqi politicians, including President Jalal Talabani, have floated the idea of an amnesty, the Bush administration and leading figures in the Iraqi government insist that those who have committed violence must face justice before entering the country's political mainstream.

Asked about U.S. talks with insurgents, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said Wednesday that Iraqis must take the lead in persuading the fighters to lay down their arms.

"There have been innocent Iraqis who have been killed by insurgent activities and terrorist activities," she told reporters in Washington. "It is clearly an Iraqi process, and we'll try to be supportive of it."

U.S. officials and Iraqis stress that talks have not occurred directly between guerrilla leaders and Americans, but rather have involved Sunni Arab political and religious figures with feet in both the ongoing political process and the insurgency. The talks have emerged from extensive U.S. contacts with Sunni Arab leaders.

"We never made a specific decision: Go out and talk to the insurgency," said the U.S. official in Baghdad. "It has evolved in the course of normal business that we now come into contact with people who at least claim to have some form of relationship to the insurgency."

The official conceded, though, that not all insurgents are interested in talks.

"There are some of the insurgents who are irredeemable and have to be dealt with in a mostly purely military way," the U.S. official said.

Opinions differ as to the value of the discussions. Some Sunni Arabs who have served as mediators questioned the sincerity of both the Americans and the insurgents.

The insurgents, they say, use the contacts to gauge the strength and intentions of the U.S. military, whereas Americans see them as a way to infiltrate and crack the insurgency.

"Neither side is trustworthy," said one of the mediators, Mahmoud Mashadani, a leader of the Supreme Committee of Dawa and Irshad, a Sunni Arab group that follows an Islamic tradition related to Osama bin Laden's Wahhabism.

The Americans also have doubts about whether the intermediaries they have conferred with have much sway over the insurgents.

"Frequently with the people we talk to we get these very broad assertions," the U.S. official said. "In terms of an actual deliverable … cessation of violence in an area, I'm unable to identify any such thing. Because of the very diverse, diffuse nature of the Sunni leadership, it's very hard to figure out who has any weight at all."

Times staff writers Tyler Marshall in Washington and Patrick J. McDonnell and Shamil Aziz in Baghdad and special correspondent Asmaa Waguih in Baghdad and others in Ramadi and Baqubah contributed to this report.

Nickdfresh
01-13-2008, 12:04 PM
Originally posted by Nickdfresh
I'm hoping this is our ticket out of the IRAQI "quagmire." "Peace with honor?"

What took so long?