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Hardrock69
06-21-2005, 09:28 AM
By Robert Adams
New Dawn Magazine.com
6-21-05


When I first spoke to a close Christian friend of mine about the publishing of Tony Bushby's The Bible Fraud, her reaction was one that many Christians have expressed, and one that made me aghast. She didn't want the book available because it would "persuade them away from the Bible and the word of God." Further discussions with her and many other Christians around the world about The Bible Fraud all result in the Bible being quoted as the ultimate reference for the apparent "words of God," and therefore the basis for their arguments. The problem lies in that they believe the Bible is infallible.

If we examine the oldest known Bible to date, the "Sinai Bible" housed in the British Museum (I believe that, during his many years of research, Tony had a private viewing of this priceless book), we find a staggering 14,800 differences from today's Bible and yet it still remains the word of God?

As Tony points out, the history of our 'genuine' Bibles is a convoluted one. Firstly we cannot be sure that we have the full version as it was originally intended. In 1415 the Church of Rome took an extraordinary step to destroy all knowledge of two second century Jewish books that it said contained the true name of Jesus Christ. The Antipope Benedict XIII firstly singled out for condemnation a secret Latin treatise called "Mar Yesu" and then issued instructions to destroy all copies of the book of Elxai. The Rabbinic fraternity once held the destroyed manuscripts with great reverence for they were comprehensive original records reporting the life of Rabbi Jesus.

Later, Pope Alexander VI ordered all copies of the Talmud destroyed, with the Spanish Grand Inquisitor Tomas de Torquemada (1420-98) responsible for the elimination of 6,000 volumes at Salamanca alone.

Solomon Romano (1554) also burnt many thousands of Hebrew scrolls and, in 1559, every Hebrew book in the city of Prague was confiscated. The mass destruction of Jewish books included hundreds of copies of the Old Testament and caused the irretrievable loss of many original handwritten documents.

The oldest text of the Old Testament that survived, before the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls" was said to be the Bodleian Codex (Oxford), which was dated to circa 1100 AD. In an attempt by the church to remove damaging Rabbinic information about Jesus Christ from the face of the earth, the Inquisition burnt 12,000 volumes of the Talmud.

In 1607, forty-seven men (some records say fifty four) took two years and nine months to re-write the Bible and make it ready for press. It was, by the order of King James, issued with a set of personal 'rules' the translators were to follow. Upon its completion in 1609, it was handed over to the King James for his final approval. However, "It was self evident that James was not competent to check their work and edit it, so he passed the manuscripts onto the greatest genius of all time... Sir Francis Bacon"

The first English language manuscripts of the Bible remained in Bacon's possession for nearly a year. During that time ... "he hammered the various styles of the translators into the unity, rhythm, and music of Shakespearean prose, wrote the prefaces and created the whole scheme of the Authorized Version. At the completion of the editing, King James ordered a 'dedication to the King' to be drawn up and included in the opening pages. He also wanted the phrase 'Appointed to be read in the churches' to appear on the title page.

The King James Bible is considered by many today to be the 'original' Bible and therefore 'genuine' and all later revisions simply counterfeits forged by 'higher critics'. Others think the King James Bible is 'authentic' and 'authorized' and presents the original words of the authors as translated into English from the 'original' Greek texts. However, as Tony points out, the 'original' Greek text was not written until around the mid fourth century and was a revised edition of writings compiled decades earlier in Aramaic and Hebrew. Those earlier documents no longer exist and the Bibles we have today are five linguistic removes from the first bibles written. What was written in the 'original originals' is quite unknown. It is important to remember that the words 'authorized' and 'original', as applied to the Bible do not mean 'genuine', 'authentic' or 'true'.

By the early third century, it became well noted that a problem was occurring . politics! In 251AD, the number of Presbyter's (roving orator or priest) writings had increased dramatically and bitter arguments raged between opposing factions about their conflicting stories. According to Presbyter Albius Theodoret (circa 255), there were "more than two hundred" variant gospels in use in his time. In 313, groups of Presbyters and Biscops (Bishops) violently clashed over the variations in their writings and "altar was set against altar" in competing for an audience and territory.

When Emperor Constantine conquered the East in 324, he sent his Spanish religious advisor, Osius of Cordoba, to Alexandria with letters to several Biscops exhorting them to make peace among their own. But the mission failed and Constantine, probably at the suggestions of Osius, then issued a decree commanding all Presbyters and their subordinates "be mounted on asses, mules and horses belonging to the public and travel to the city of Nicaea" in the Roman province of Bithymia, the country of Asia. The Presbyters were instructed by the Emperor to bring with them the manuscripts from which they orated to the rabble (that's us!) "wrapped and bound in leather".

Constantine saw in this developing system of belief the opportunity to make a combined state religion and protect it by law. The first general church council was thus convened and the year was 325.

On 21 June, the day of the Summer Solstice, (and under those cult conditions) a total of 2048 "presbyters, deacons, sub-deacons, acolytes and exorcists" gathered at Nicaea to decide what Christianity really was, what it would be, what writings were to be used and who was to be it's God.

Ancient church evidence established that a new 'god' was to be approved by the Roman Emperor and an earlier attempt (circa 210) to deify either Judas Khrestus or his twin brother Rabbi Jesus (or somebody else) had been 'declined'. Therefore, as late as 325, the Christian religion did not have an official god.

After a long and bitter debate, a vote was finally taken and it was with a majority show of hands that Judas Khrestus and Rabbi Jesus both became God (161votes for and 157 votes against). The Emperor effectively joined elements of the two individual life stories of the twin brothers into a singular creation. The doctrine of the Celtic / British church of the west was democratically attached to the Presbyters stories of the east.

A deification ceremony was then performed 'Apotheosis'. Thus the deified ones were then called 'saviours' and looked upon as gods. Temples, altars, and images with attributes of divinity were then erected and public holidays proclaimed on their birthdays.

Following the original example set by the deification of Caesar, their funerals were dramatized as the scene of their resurrection and immortality. All these godly attributes passed as a legal right to Emperor Constantine's new deity, Jesus Christ.

The Emperor then instructed Bishop Eusebius to compile a uniform collection of new writings "bound together as one" using the stories from the large collection of Presbyters as his reference source. Eusebius was to arrange for the production of "fifty sumptuous copies ... to be written on parchment in a legible manner, and in a convenient portable form, by professional scribes thoroughly accomplished in the art". This was the first mention of finished copies of a Christian 'New Testament' in the history of mankind.

As one can imagine, to condense the real life of the Jesus Christ, the Church and His teachings with supporting evidence into a short article is very difficult. It is therefore wise for those who wish to have supportable evidence to read and study Tony Bushby's epic work, The Bible Fraud, along with it's detailed blood lines (family trees) and over 869 references. (see www.thebiblefraud.com)

However, attempting to summarize what Tony has written..... in 325 AD, the first Christian council was called at Nicaea to bring the stories of twin brothers, Jesus 'the Rabbi' and Judas Khrestus into one deity that we now know as Jesus Christ. Tony says they were not born of virgin birth but to Nabatean Arab Mariamne Herod (now known as the Virgin Mary) and fathered by Tiberius ben Panthera, a Roman Centurion. The brothers were raised in the Essene community and became Khrists of their faith. Rabbi Jesus later was initiated in Egypt at the highest of levels similar to the 33rd degree of Freemasonry of which many Prime ministers and Presidents around the world today are members. He then later married three wives, one of whom we know as a Mary Magdalene, a Druidic Princess, stole the Torah from the temple and moved to Lud, now London.

Tony believes the reason Jesus stole the Torah was that he said it contained "a very special secret", which he was going to reveal that secret to the world. He was stoned to death and the Torah taken from him before he could.

The elder brother, Judas Khrestus, with his "Khrestian" followers conspired to take the throne of Rome, his royal birthright, and was captured, tried, and was sentenced to be crucified. (The "Khrestians" and the Essenic army, the Nazarenes, would today be likened to terrorists.) At the trial, Judas exercised his royal birthright to have a replacement in Simon of Cyrene (Luke 23:41) and then was sold as a slave to live out his days as a carpenter in India.

Rabbi Jesus spent a considerable amount of time at the Palace of the British in Rome and sometime around 48 AD, he left for Egypt to pursue his greatest esoteric goal. The spiritual knowledge from his secret education in the Essene and Druid movements was soon to be elevated to the highest level possible - initiation into the innermost rite of the Egyptian temples.

It was probable that Rabbi Jesus' earlier initiation into both the Essene and Druid schools played a major part in his acceptance into the Egyptian school. The Druids could claim a very early origin and the essence of their wisdom was also that of the Essenes. In the case of the Essenes, it is possible to show that their movement was specifically established to preserve secret information, for they knew and used the sacred writing of the Initiates. The full meaning of the point being made by Bushby is that in the case of all Secret Schools, the inner and ultimate Mystery was revealed only to a High Initiate.

Those who were initiated into the Ancient mysteries took a solemn oath never to reveal what had passed within the sacred walls. Every year only a comparatively few Egyptian initiations were conducted, and the number of persons who knew their secrets was never at any time large. The initiations always took place with the onset of darkness and the candidate was entranced for periods of varying length, depending upon the level of the degree for which he had entered.

The first initiatory step involved a forty-day procedure that basically involved purification, not only in physical form, but dissolving all tendencies to evil thoughts, purifying the mind as well. It appears that he would have fasted, alternatively on vegetables, juices and very special herbal concoctions.

The New Testament recorded that this happened to Rabbi Jesus who "was led into the desert.... and he fasted forty days and forty nights" (Matt. 4:1-2).

This trial period involved more than just fasting. During the forty days and nights' ordeal, Tony says the candidate was required to study astronomical charts to supplement his skills in astronomy and memorize charts of the heavens. They were also given a particular ritual from which to memorize certain passwords, secret signs and handclasps, skills that are still practiced to this day in Freemasonry.

These initiations were not limited to Egypt. The ancient civilizations inherited these Mysteries from a remote antiquity and they constituted part of a primitive revelation from the gods to the human race. Almost every people of pre-Christian times possessed its institution and tradition of the mysteries. The Romans, the Druids of Britain, the Greeks, the Cretans, the Syrians, the Hindus, the Persians, the Maya and the American Indians, among others, had corresponding temples and rites with a system of graduated illuminations for the initiates.

The modern world knows little of these ancient rites yet they were conducted in a huge variety of buildings the world over.

The 'Towers' that are found throughout the East in Asia were directly connected with the Mystery-initiations. The candidates for initiation were placed in them for three days and three nights, whenever there was no temple with a subterranean crypt close at hand.

In this aspect of the initiatory procedure, Tony points out a direct Gospel parallel with Rabbi Jesus saying, "After three days I shall rise again", for he knew the finishing process he was to undertake would take three days being a symbol of the period of time required to complete a condition of development. The ancient Egyptian hieroglyphic texts speak of an initiate as 'twice-born', and he was permitted to add to his name the words 'he who has renewed his life', so that on some ancient tomb-inscriptions archaeologists still discover these phases descriptive of the spiritual status of the deceased person.

So little did the later Gospel writers understand the initiatory process that they never perceived they were developing a story that included a Rabbi's (and Arch Druid of Britain) experience in an Egyptian Mystery School.

St Austin (c. 380) asserted that it was generally known in church circles that Rabbi Jesus had been initiated in Egypt, and that "he wrote books concerning magic". In the Gospel of Nicodemus, the Jews brought the same accusation before Pontius Pilate, "Did we not tell you he was a magician?" Celsus (c. 178) spoke of the same charge. In the Clementine Recognitions, the accusation was brought against Rabbi Jesus that he did not perform any miracles but practiced magic and carried about with him the figure of a seated skeleton.

Jewish tradition invariably asserted that Rabbi Jesus learned 'magic' in Egypt. Bushby says the kernel of this persistent accusation may perhaps be reduced to the simple historical element that Rabbi Jesus went to Egypt and returned with far wider and more enlightened views than those of his former religious associates.

Now, I'm sure that many of you are having trouble grasping some of the ideas presented in this article and I congratulate you on taking the effort to read this far. We all need to demand our local Church, the Church scholars, theologians and media make an open examination of the evidence compiled in Tony Bushby's The Bible Fraud. It may rattle some core beliefs but what is more important to you . the truth or what sits comfortably because it's what you've known all you life?

I leave you with a quote from one of the conspirators

"How well we know what a profitable superstition this fable of Christ has been for us." Pope Leo X (1513-1521)

Article first published in New Dawn Magazine No 71, March 2002

alexpgrimes
06-21-2005, 11:06 AM
the church is hiding the truth. that religion was made up by man to keep the masses in their place.

Bill Lumbergh
06-21-2005, 11:09 AM
"I pledge myself to your teachings........." "GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD"

Don Corleone
06-21-2005, 02:39 PM
Originally posted by Bill Lumbergh
"I pledge myself to your teachings........." "GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD"

Use the force Bill

Warham
06-21-2005, 04:09 PM
This is old hat. There's nothing new they've discovered. You either believe or you don't.

Shaun Ponsonby
06-21-2005, 04:18 PM
Everybody knows that the Bible is bollocks. There is only one creature who is worthy of worship.
http://www.rotharmy.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=484112

Now, that is VERY larg.

I hope that you, too, all have LARG, and your spatulas.

Hardrock69
06-21-2005, 04:47 PM
ALAN BE PRAISED!!!

bastardog
06-21-2005, 05:04 PM
I have to say as a Catholic I am (not a good one by the way). That all the story here presented was going well til that shit about the twin brothers. I mean everyone should be looking for the history base to solidify his believes (thats my opinion....not the church...I think they want you to be a blind follower).......but that kind of histories is like say that Leonardo DaVinci was hiding something just because of his paints..................there is not enough evidence for anything just because the same church that compile the bible (altering the scripts or inventing them) destroy any other documents.....so there is no other references.

OK there are other gospels in the Dead Sea Scrolls......but the Church also claim a reason that sounds as posible as any of this new stories about Jesus ( it means that it could be real or not with a 50% of be and 50% of not be).........that they review them when compiling the books to be included in the Bible and that they determinate base on style of writting and content that weren't wrote on the time that pretends to explain...so that leave us with other version that is: That the Church says the truth.
You just have to read and find which story is more real for you.......I keep with the "Churchs says the truth" one

...and you?

Ally_Kat
06-21-2005, 06:18 PM
does he make references to where he got his information and the quotes from...or do I have to buy his book to open my mind?

Redballjets88
06-21-2005, 06:21 PM
the bible isnt what christians believe they believe in jesus....the bible is just there to "guide" the way by helping to answer questions about life

kentuckyklira
06-21-2005, 08:05 PM
Religion is the idiotīs excuse for lacking trust in his own common sense!

LoungeMachine
06-21-2005, 08:32 PM
OPIATE FOR THE MASSES

Dave's Bitch
06-21-2005, 08:37 PM
Originally posted by Don Corleone
Use the force Bill





LOL i love that pic

Seshmeister
06-21-2005, 09:46 PM
Originally posted by Redballjets88
the bible isnt what christians believe they believe in jesus....the bible is just there to "guide" the way by helping to answer questions about life

That's fair enough but less than 1% of christians have even the smallest idea about how the bible has reached them. Maybe if they did then we wouldn't get so much literal interpretation of it for their own ends and predjudices,

If it is the word of god then he had a bizarre way of expressing himself.

Cheers!

:gulp:

Shaun Ponsonby
06-22-2005, 06:29 AM
God is a dick.

Hardrock69
06-22-2005, 10:48 AM
Some wymynists out there woud say the opposite...

Nitro Express
06-22-2005, 01:28 PM
The Mormon church is actually built apon what is being discussed in this thread. The founder of the church Joseph Smith claimed he was confused about religion and the contradictions in the bible and when to pray about the matter. He then saw God the Father and Jesus Christ who told him all religion is a product of man and the ancient church of Jesus Christ no longer existed. Joseph then claimed to have been visited by an angel who instructed him where some gold plates were buried. The Plates contain a record of ancient Americans and Jesus visiting them after his crucifixtion.

The translated record of these gold plates is the Book of Mormon. The Mormons believe this solves the bible problem because the Book of Mormon was translated off the original record by the power of God. Mark Twain once read the Book of Mormon and called it chloriform in print. LOL!

All I can say is it never stops. You can spin religion anyway you like. If a religion lasts long enough, it too has it's own spin offs; usually, the leader is a power hungry individual trying to tap into peoples core religiouse values. Brigham Young successfully branched off of the church Joseph Smith set up. Fundamentalist polygamouse zelots have branched off of Brigham Youngs church.

The prodestant churches are spinoffs of Catholosism. I would say Mormonism is a prodestant spinoff because Joseph Smith at one time was a Methodist.

As far a Christinan faiths go, the Mormons have to be the most creative. You can become a God yourself. You can have wifes without number in the next life. Hell, a good muslim only gets 72 wifes. Mormonism has the biggest prize of any religion, you become a God and have a huge pool of beautiful goddesses to fuck.

Why do we see the young guys in the shirt ties on the bicycles selling the Book of Mormon and trying to get as many converts as they can? Because they believe it's part of the journey of getting God like power and lots of pussy. All I can say is at least they aren't flying airplanes into buildings to get theirs.

Religion is a business that sells people a product that is invisible and there is no proof it even exists. Religion is some wierd shit. LOL!

Hardrock69
06-22-2005, 05:42 PM
Ok so right off the bat I wanna know where the gold plates are.....

Why are there no photographs of them?

So it is the translated record...translated from what language?

Seshmeister
06-22-2005, 08:47 PM
Hahahah that's the funny bit as ever with religion.

This cunt who was a convicted fraudster is wandering about in a field ALONE one day in 1827(these things always seem to happen when people are alone for some reason) and the hand of the lord comes down and gives him a bunch of gold plates engraved in Egyptian no less that he takes home.

He spends all night translating them (the fact he doesn't know ancient Egyptian from a hole in his ass is beside the point) and then the next day the gold plates MYSTERIOUSLY fucking disappear. Can you imagine??

The Morman church now has over 9 000 000 members...:D

Warham
06-22-2005, 08:49 PM
Fools!

Imbeciles!

:D

Hardrock69
06-22-2005, 10:07 PM
LMFAO!!!

Another fucking con artist....

Though the polygamy bit might be seen by some as a cool deal, I would not want to be charged with servicing multiple women....one is plenty for me. Any more than that and I would be worn out after a few weeks....or else I would be in fantastic physical shape!!!

I would not want to deal with the multiple soap operas tho...

Nitro Express
06-22-2005, 10:26 PM
I was raised Mormon. My great granddaddy had four wives and was later jailed for polygammy.

Like all religions, Mormonism has evolved. It used to be a lot more radicle than it is now but it's still a cult.

At least in my family, more and more of us are leaving the church. I've been out of it for 10 years.

Why Joseph Smith and Brigham Young were successful is they both were very clever con men. They engineered the church to where it actually became part of your family structure. After the first generation, your own family and inlaws keep you in line. That's why Mormon weddings are in temples where non members can't go to the wedding and members are only suppossed to marry other members.

It's social engineering more than religion.

David Lee Roth in his book mentioned how much he hated being raised Jewish. I would take being Jewish any day over being Mormon. LOL! I'm now an agnostic. There's no proof of anything so I'm just happy to say "I don't know". When I die, I guess I will get to see what all the fuss was over.

Warham
06-22-2005, 10:29 PM
Well said, Nitro!

Seshmeister
06-22-2005, 10:34 PM
... Brigham Young were successful [/B]

LOL.

Never noticed the irony of that name before...:)

LoungeMachine
06-22-2005, 10:46 PM
Bring 'em Young [and Bring 'em often!]

Nitro Express
06-22-2005, 10:51 PM
I believe Mormonism was cooked up by Joseph Smith and a guy named Oliver Cowdery. Many people credit The Book of Mormon being the first book that mentioned, Jews migrating to the Americas and forming an ancient civilization here.

In the late 18th century, a book called "View of the Hebrews" was published that also hit apon the concept of some of the lost tribes of Isarel migrating to the American continent.

In my oppinion, Oliver Cowdery read "View of the Hebrews" because it was available in the Manchester, New York public library not far from where Joseph Smith was currently living. The Book of Mormon is nothing more than a poor plagerism of the old and new Testament with some new stuff thrown in.

Before he started the Mormon church. Smith was into all sorts of money making schemes like looking for buried Spanish treasure, selling ginsing (He was way ahead of his time on this one), and other "get rich quick schemes".

Smith lived close to the newly finished Erie Canal that was bringing gulliable new immigrants from Europe in. If you look at who was joining the Mormon church it was people right off the boat. People who believed they had landed in the land of promise and completely gulliable.

Smith seemed to be PT Barnam character. He even bought some mummies from a Chicago freak show and claimed one of the mummies was Abraham. Smith made an elaborate translation of the papyrus that came with the mummies and called it the "Book of Abraham". The Book of Abraham is still considered scripture by the Mormons and explains in detail what the next life is like.

The papyrus later surfaced in the late 1960's in the Metropolitan Museum of Art in NYC. It was still glued to the Nauvoo, Illinois map and still had the pencil markings Joseph originally made. Ancient Egytian could not be translated in Joseph Smith's time, but now it can because of further arciological discovery and increased knowlege of the Rossetta Stone. Experts now agree the Joseph Smith papyrus is nothing more than a run of the mill funeral text. Nothing special and Joseph got it wrong. The Mormons bought the papyrus shortly after it was found and have kept it hidden in the church arcives. The internet now has blown open much of what the church has hidden over the years and also the History Channel and PBS have done documentaries on the Mountain Meadows Massacre in Utah. The largest religiouse act of terrorism in the US since Sept. 11.

New evidence comming forward niether paint Joseph Smith or Brigham Young in favorable light. Smith was a charming con artist. Brigham Young was a smart tyrant who built his own theocracy in the wild west. Mountain Meadows is one example of the attrocities, Brigham Youngs followers were capable of commiting.

Mormonism like most man made religion, is about power. Nothing more and nothing less. It's just another chapter in the wierd history book of organized religion.

Nitro Express
06-22-2005, 11:03 PM
Having multiple wives would only remind me I have only one dick and only so much cum. Maybe when you become a God you can multiply yourself and have sex with millions of women at the same time and feel it all. All this is going on while I'm the Voodoo Child cutting down mountains with the edge of my hand and raising a little sand. LOL!

Seshmeister
06-22-2005, 11:04 PM
I'm glad you and yours managed to escape this nonsense.

It's amazing and depressing what people will swallow.

LoungeMachine
06-22-2005, 11:06 PM
What's the difference between "organized religions" and "cults"????


The size of the budget

Warham
06-22-2005, 11:07 PM
I agree. That's why I'm not a member of any organized faith. The church is corrupt and eeeeeevil!

LoungeMachine
06-22-2005, 11:25 PM
Originally posted by Warham
I agree.

This is getting creepy;)

Stop agreeing with me.

I'm a whining bleeding heart LIBERAL, remember:cool:

bastardog
06-23-2005, 05:17 PM
At least religions are a guide to be a better person.
But there is alway fanatics that try to force other people to beleive in what they belive.

That makes me think......If I was in the time of the Cruzades did I would be part of the armies of the Catholics (since I'm a catholic).....well, probably I will be part just for the part of killing people without been punished......maybe many of the soldiers of that time did the same reasoning......