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DLR'sCock
06-28-2005, 06:59 PM
General Admits to Secret Air War
By Michael Smith
The Sunday Times UK

Sunday 26 June 2005

The American general who commanded allied air forces during the Iraq war appears to have admitted in a briefing to American and British officers that coalition aircraft waged a secret air war against Iraq from the middle of 2002, nine months before the invasion began.

Addressing a briefing on lessons learnt from the Iraq war Lieutenant-General Michael Moseley said that in 2002 and early 2003 allied aircraft flew 21,736 sorties, dropping more than 600 bombs on 391 "carefully selected targets" before the war officially started.

The nine months of allied raids "laid the foundations" for the allied victory, Moseley said. They ensured that allied forces did not have to start the war with a protracted bombardment of Iraqi positions.

If those raids exceeded the need to maintain security in the no-fly zones of southern and northern Iraq, they would leave President George W Bush and Tony Blair vulnerable to allegations that they had acted illegally.

Moseley's remarks have emerged after reports in The Sunday Times that showed an increase in allied bombing in southern Iraq was described in leaked minutes of a meeting of the war cabinet as "spikes of activity to put pressure on the regime".

Moseley told the briefing at Nellis airbase in Nebraska on July 17, 2003, that the raids took place under cover of patrols of the southern no-fly zone; their purpose was ostensibly to protect the ethnic minorities.

A leaked memo previously disclosed by The Sunday Times, detailing a meeting chaired by the prime minister and attended by Jack Straw, the foreign secretary, Geoff Hoon, the then defence secretary, and Admiral Sir Michael Boyce, chief of defence staff, indicated that the US was carrying out the bombing.

But Moseley's remarks, and figures for the amount of bombs dropped in southern Iraq during 2002, indicate that the RAF was taking as large a part in the bombing as American aircraft.

Details of the Moseley briefing come amid rising concern in the US at the war. A new poll shows 60% of Americans now believe it was a mistake.

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thome
06-28-2005, 07:03 PM
Is this new news to you ?

Nickdfresh
06-28-2005, 07:14 PM
While I do think this stinks, it really is no surprise. We were involved in an "airwar" over Iraq throughout Clinton's tenure. Some even say it may be the first time in history a low-intensity conflict was waged through the air, this was largely ignored by the public, and even the media to an extent.

kentuckyklira
06-29-2005, 03:17 AM
Originally posted by DLR'sCock
General Admits to Secret Air War
If those raids exceeded the need to maintain security in the no-fly zones of southern and northern Iraq, they would leave President George W Bush and Tony Blair vulnerable to allegations that they had acted illegally. Bush and Blair would be spending the rest of their days in prison in a just world!

Secret air raids or not!

Unchainme
06-29-2005, 11:10 AM
Originally posted by kentuckyklira
Bush and Blair would be spending the rest of their days in prison in a just world!

Secret air raids or not!

I'm not suprised personallly, The government does this all the time, they probably had Special Forces over there monthes before any war was talked about. Why does everyone say Bush should go to jail, First of all who going to try him and Blair, The U.N. The U.N. is not Legitimate place for a trial let alone a Government. How about The U.S. Congress or Parliament, well obviously nothing going to happen to bush because he controls The Senate, even moderate republicans will vote the bill down. So lets see you guys are SCREWED! My God The Democrats have sunk so low that they have lost the fact of being a Smart repectfull party, No you guys must resort to Namecalling and Idiot protestors insteadi of Intelligently presenting you point (Yes I realize you guys are Going To Insert A "Bush is an Idiot" I can already predict the thing Democrats says ) :).

kentuckyklira
06-29-2005, 02:25 PM
Originally posted by Unchainme
I'm not suprised personallly, The government does this all the time, they probably had Special Forces over there monthes before any war was talked about. Why does everyone say Bush should go to jail, First of all who going to try him and Blair, The U.N. The U.N. is not Legitimate place for a trial let alone a Government. How about The U.S. Congress or Parliament, well obviously nothing going to happen to bush because he controls The Senate, even moderate republicans will vote the bill down. So lets see you guys are SCREWED! My God The Democrats have sunk so low that they have lost the fact of being a Smart repectfull party, No you guys must resort to Namecalling and Idiot protestors insteadi of Intelligently presenting you point (Yes I realize you guys are Going To Insert A "Bush is an Idiot" I can already predict the thing Democrats says ) :). You might be interested in noticing that I´m from Germany, you twerp! So Dem or REP I ain´t and can´t be either.

BTW, I´m an active member of the Green Party here!:cool:

Unchainme
06-29-2005, 04:14 PM
Originally posted by kentuckyklira
You might be interested in noticing that I´m from Germany, you twerp! So Dem or REP I ain´t and can´t be either.

BTW, I´m an active member of the Green Party here!:cool:

Hey My Ancestors are German.:). Green Party Eh? At least better than being a Demcrat :). Twerp?, Come on you can do better, call me a German Insult.

kentuckyklira
06-29-2005, 05:33 PM
Originally posted by Unchainme
Hey My Ancestors are German.:). Green Party Eh? At least better than being a Demcrat :). Twerp?, Come on you can do better, call me a German Insult. Arschkeks

Wichser

Hurensohn

Schwanzlutscher

Warmduscher

Siffkopp

Arschloch

Drecksack

Penner

Tucke

Schwachkopf

Schwachmat

Depp

Drissbüggel (local dialect)

Matschbirne



Need any more?

Unchainme
06-29-2005, 09:28 PM
Originally posted by kentuckyklira
Arschkeks

Wichser

Hurensohn

Schwanzlutscher

Warmduscher

Siffkopp

Arschloch

Drecksack

Penner

Tucke

Schwachkopf

Schwachmat

Depp

Drissbüggel (local dialect)

Matschbirne



Need any more?

Nope, Thats good. Translation?