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Nickdfresh
07-27-2005, 08:03 AM
Iraq Wants Quick Withdrawal of U.S. Troops
Wednesday, July 27, 2005 7:10 AM EDT
The Associated Press
By ROBERT BURNS
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BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) — Iraq's transitional prime minister called Wednesday for a speedy withdrawal of U.S. troops and the top U.S. commander here said he believed a "fairly substantial" pullout could begin next spring and summer.

Prime Minister Ibrahim Jaafari said at a joint news conference with Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld that the time has arrived to plan a coordinated transition from American to Iraqi military control throughout the country.

Asked how soon a U.S. withdrawal should happen, he said no exact timetable had been set. "But we confirm and we desire speed in that regard," he said, speaking through a translator. "And this fast pace has two aspects."

First, there must be a quickening of the pace of U.S. training of Iraqi security forces, and second there must be closely coordinated planning between the U.S.-led military coalition and the emerging Iraq government on a security transition, he said.

"We do not want to be surprised by a withdrawal that is not in connection with our Iraqi timing,"' he said.

Speaking earlier with U.S. reporters traveling with Rumsfeld, Gen. George Casey, the top American commander in Iraq, said he believed a U.S. troop withdrawal could begin by spring 2006 if progress continues on the political front and if the insurgency does not expand.

Rumsfeld was planning to get a firsthand look at the training of Iraqi security forces by watching a demonstration by a group of Iraqi special forces soldiers using live ammunition at a training range run by American troops.

U.S. officials describe a variety of security forces being developed. Foremost is the Iraqi army, comprised mainly of infantry battalions, although there also are to be four tank battalions. The army now has about 77,000 soldiers, and it is scheduled to expand to about 85,000 by December. It includes "intervention forces," to lead the Iraqi effort against the insurgency.

There are now about 94,000 police, most for standard traffic and patrol work. That is to grow to about 145,000 by December, and it includes "special police" commando battalions as well as a mechanized police brigade that will be a paramilitary, counterinsurgency unit intended to deploy to high-risk areas using light armored personnel carriers.

The organization in charge of training and equipping Iraqi security forces is the Multinational Security Transition Command, headed by Lt. Gen. David Petraeus, who last week was announced by the Pentagon as the next commander of the Army's Combined Arms Center at Fort Leavenworth, Kan. He is to be replaced in Iraq by Maj. Gen. Martin Dempsey, who spent more than a year in Iraq as commander of the 1st Armored Division.

The effort to build a reliable Iraq security force has been slowed by a number of problems. One that can be traced to the earliest days of the U.S. military occupation was the virtual disintegration of the Iraqi army that existed when American troops invaded in March 2003. Some say this was made worse by the decision of L. Paul Bremer, the U.S. civilian administrator of Iraq starting in May 2003, to formally disband the Iraqi security forces.

Another problem has been infiltration of the security forces by insurgents. In its report to Congress last week, the Pentagon acknowledged that this remains a problem and it still is unable to say just how much infiltration there is, despite efforts to improve vetting of recruits.

Rumsfeld said en route to Iraq on Wednesday that Iraqi leaders must take a more aggressive stance against what he called harmful interference from neighboring Syria and Iran.

He said he would be pushing the Iraqis to provide more people who can be trained by U.S. personnel to handle the growing number of detainees in the country, now estimated to number at least 15,000.

With a permanent Iraqi government scheduled to take power in January, following adoption of a constitution and an election in December, they need trained prison guards "so that as soon as it is feasible we can transfer responsibility for Iraqi prisoners to the Iraqi government," he said.

Rumsfeld has often criticized Iran and Syria for meddling in Iraq's affairs. In his remarks Wednesday, he put the main onus on Iraqi leaders to do more to fix the problem.

"They need to be aggressively communicating with their neighbors to see that foreign terrorists stop coming across those borders and that their neighbors do not harbor insurgents and finance insurgents," he said in an in-flight interview with reporters accompanying him from Tajikistan.

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Nickdfresh
07-27-2005, 12:54 PM
General: U.S. could start Iraq pullout in spring
Depends on political, security progress, commander says

Wednesday, July 27, 2005; Posted: 12:51 p.m. EDT (16:51 GMT)

BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN (http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/07/27/iraq.main/index.html)) -- The top U.S. military commander in Iraq said Wednesday that the U.S. military could begin a substantial troop pullout as early as next spring.

Gen. George Casey, who spoke to reporters during Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld's unannounced trip to Iraq, said some conditions would have to be met for the withdrawal to take place.

"I do believe that if the political process continues to go positively and if the development of the security forces continues to go as it is going, I do believe we'll still be able to take some very substantial reductions after these elections in the spring and summer of next year."

Elections in Iraq are scheduled for the end of this year.

Casey said he could not say how many of the approximately 135,000 American troops would be withdrawn.

At the same time, transitional Prime Minister Ibrahim al-Jaafari, who met with Rumsfeld, said it was time for a coordinated plan to transition from the American to the Iraqi military and urged that it be done in a speedy fashion.

Casey said there was no agreement on how many insurgents are battling coalition forces.

"The level of attacks they've been able to generate has not increased substantially here over what we've seen in the last year," Casey said. "This insurgency is not progressing."

Referring to the large-scale attacks mounted in recent weeks and months, Casey said "what you are seeing is a change in tactics to more violent, more visible attacks against civilians and that is a no-win strategy for the insurgency."

Last week, national security adviser Mowaffak al-Rubaie told CNN that he'd be "very surprised if the coalition forces will not start pulling out by middle of next year."

Rubaie said he believed the withdrawing coalition forces would be "in sizable numbers."

Rumsfeld said Iraq needs to be more aggressive in its stance against interference from neighbors such as Syria and Iran, and the borders with those countries should be closed to stem the flow of insurgents into Iraq.

"They need to be aggressively communicating with their neighbors to see that foreign terrorists stop coming across those borders and that their neighbors do not harbor insurgents and finance insurgents in a way that is destructive of what the Iraqi people are trying to accomplish," Rumsfeld said.

Rumsfeld's comments echo those of Iraq's defense minister who criticized Syria on Tuesday for ignoring Iraqi demands "to stop the infiltration of terrorists."

Rumsfeld also encouraged the Iraqi constitution committee to meet its August 15 deadline to come up with a draft of the country's constitution. If the draft is approved by the transitional National Assembly, it will be put before voters in an October 15 referendum.

Rumsfeld's visit coincides with polls that cite declining support for the U.S.-led war in Iraq and a lack of confidence in the United States' ability to help establish a permanent Iraqi government and train Iraqi security forces to defend the country without coalition support.

According to a recent CNN poll, 60 percent of Americans say they don't believe the United States will be able to establish a permanent government in Iraq. In addition, a Pentagon report issued last week said 171,000 Iraqi security forces are now trained and equipped but that only 2,500 are capable of mounting counter-insurgency operations on their own without Coalition Forces help.
Algeria says 2 diplomats killed

The Algeria government Wednesday said that its two diplomats abducted last week in Iraq were killed by their kidnappers.

Algerian charge d' affaires, Ali Belarouci, and colleague Azzedine Belkadi were seized Thursday in Baghdad's Mansour neighborhood, which is home to a number of Arab embassies.

An Internet statement posted Wednesday said the group al Qaeda in Iraq, the Islamic militant group led by terrorist Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, had killed the diplomats.

Threats to kill the men were posted Tuesday on several Web sites.

Algeria's foreign minister on Monday told Algerian TV the country had withdrawn its diplomats and their families from Iraq after the abduction.

Egypt's top envoy in Baghdad, Ihab el-Sherif, was abducted from a Baghdad street earlier this month. Al Qaeda in Iraq the also claimed responsibility for that abduction.
Other developments

# A suicide car bomber attacked an Iraqi army convoy near a hospital in northern Baghdad on Wednesday, killing two civilians and wounding 10 people, including five Iraqi soldiers, police told CNN.

# Gunmen ambushed a car carrying three Trade Ministry employees Wednesday in Baghdad, killing one and wounding the others, police told CNN.

# An improvised explosive device detonated near a combat patrol Wednesday, killing a Task Force Liberty soldier and wounding five others, the U.S. military said. The incident, which took place in Salaheddin province, brings the number of U.S. troops killed in the war to 1,780.

# A mortar round struck a parking lot of a bus terminal in Baghdad on Wednesday, killing a civilian and wounding 20 people. Yarmouk Hospital officials provided the casualty figures and police gave the account of incident, in which 25 cars were damaged.

# A police commando died and four others were wounded Wednesday when a car bomb exploded in the Shurta al-Khamsa section of southwestern Baghdad, according to sources in Yarmouk Hospital.

# Gunmen abducted three Baghdad International Airport employees Wednesday morning in a neighborhood on the western side of the city, police told CNN. Maher Yaseen Jasim, head of the airport's telecommunications department, was seized along with an employee and a driver when three cars with eight gunmen intercepted Jasim's car, police said. The gunmen took a female employee's bag and told her to get out of the car.

CNN's Aneesh Raman, Enes Dulami, Mohammed Tawfeeq and Cal Perry contributed to this report.

Cathedral
07-27-2005, 01:51 PM
And even if the troops do pull out there is no guarentee that Iraq won't become worse than what it was before.

If we're gone, who's to say what goes down over there?

And if an increase in insurgents is stated as reason it can't happen, there is already an excuse in the works for us to stay longer.

I'm lost on the entire objective at this point.
I don't see how they will effectively pull off a pull out given the content of the two above articles.

If the insurgents are smart, and they have proven very clever, they would just lay low until the coalition forces leave and then take over the country while resistance is at its lowest.

I sense some smoke and mirrors tricks going on here.

LoungeMachine
07-27-2005, 01:56 PM
Originally posted by Cathedral


I'm lost on the entire objective at this point.
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Don't worry

It changes periodically

Nickdfresh
07-27-2005, 01:59 PM
I've heard an interesting theory; that only the IRAQI's themselves can beat the insurgents. American troops give the guerillas a unifying enemy, an occupation force to attack and to maintain the war against. It's said that if US troops were to withdraw, many SUNNIs would fear reprisals from the SHIITES and would begin to lesson their support of the insurgency and the country may have to agree on something in order to avoid civil war.

In any case, I thinks it's already too late as our "allies" in the IRAQI Gov't are cozying up to the IRANIANS.

Cathedral
07-27-2005, 02:13 PM
Yep, Iran and Syria both are being huge wrenches thrown into the machine.
But you're right, Nick, The Iraqi's are the one's with the biggest and toughest job of keeping themselves free.

I don't think they have what it takes, i honestly don't.

worldbefree
07-27-2005, 06:01 PM
"I'm lost on the entire objective at this point."

To start drawing down just before the midterm elections.

bobgnote
07-27-2005, 06:15 PM
Originally posted by Cathedral
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If the insurgents are smart, and they have proven very clever, they would just lay low until the coalition forces leave and then take over the country while resistance is at its lowest.

I sense some smoke and mirrors tricks going on here.

Hey, OUR funds are being syphoned into the deregulated power provider oligopoly. YOU in there depend on FUNDS FLOWS, ALL THE TIME, NEVER STOPPING! Those were fatally stricken, as if by lampreys on long-distance, Great Lake swimmers (see those shimmers? not enough pool for you, yet).

Al Queda attacked with the inception of the long-term deals. YOUR ability to put troops in the field with enough smarts to do accounting is severely curtailed by that circumstance, since I would NEVER trust my life directly to some git who thinks the way to get along with folks getting screwed by the USA is to go, 'BRING IT AWN!!'

What an ass is GW! ALL your strategic limits and parameters have been queered by GW, and when the time comes, the US implodes on the funding failure, and then THEY WILL HAVE A CHEAP WEAPONS EDGE YOU DID NOT FORSEE.

I think the time has come to notice how the 9/11 Intifada got to 2001, particularly, and NOTICE NOW, that DHS needs to address this fraud, which has churned another four years underneath Greenspan and the usual gang of idiots all pretending funds are EVERYWHERE, like Spring!

We are in a FIGHT, churned up, to our disadvantage. Survive how you must. But know, that the current picture IS bad, and it might be worse.