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Rikk
08-25-2004, 02:28 PM
Continuing the Re-Appreciation thread begun by Sesh with his excellent review of VAN HALEN II, and following my thread for DIVER DOWN, I have decided to next cover my personal favorite Van Halen album, 1984. Now, many fans think of DIVER DOWN as the joker in the pack...the one that really doesn't fit with everything else. Well, if you look at the entire Van Halen catalogue, maybe that's true. But if you look just at the 6-pack, DIVER DOWN is a rather lazy but typical Van Halen album (w/Roth). It has excellent music and great guitar playing...but it doesn't really make any new statements. It's 1984 that does this...and those statements sure alienated some fans (and made MANY new fans as well).

In time, Eddie Van Halen came to realize that he was rather unhappy with the working methods and final result of the DIVER DOWN album. In fact, it could be argued that following the amazing "Hide Your Sheep Tour" (which, in retrospect, is a very fitting name) and US Festival performance, Eddie realized that he wasn't really happy with the band's working methods on ANY of the five Van Halen albums. Eddie knew he wanted to do something that gave him more control. And the idea of his own recording studio seemed like a godsend. And it allowed him more time to channel his creativity; he could wake up in the middle of the night and go record a guitar track (if he wanted to). In actuality, however, the studio may be the one thing that finally brought the whole party crashing down. Having it there gave him more control...it allowed him to dictate "This is my studio...leave if you don't like my terms." And Ted wasn't comfortable doing his own work. Neither was Dave. What was this? Eddie's solo album with the others as guest musicians and a guest producer? It's easy to see why the tension developed. And working from home sometimes breeds laziness.

Dave has claimed that the band spent a year in the studio recording 1984. Well, that just can't be really that accurate. The band were touring a lot in early 1983 and the band also played US Festival, Dave went to the jungle, and Ed needed to have the studio actually built. The album was actually released at the VERY end of 1983. So, it couldn't have been quite a year. But it can be believed that the band spent a lot of time working on different ideas (with Alex and Eddie working alone for much of the time...probably a first in VH-history but a working-method that would become the norm from now on). It is clear that the band was starting to turn more into four individuals recording together (in fact, it's entirely possible that this is the album on which Ed started doing his own bass tracks). It is unclear if ANY of the tracks on 1984 actually have the entire band playing at once live in the studio. Often, Alex and Eddie would lay down their parts and have Mike and Dave overdub their parts later. Plus, Eddie was overdubbing MOST of his solos on this album (only GIRL GONE BAD and HOT FOR TEACHER have live solos, if I'm not mistaken). Furthermore, Dave and Ted seem to have been rather dissatisfied with some of Eddie's material. Maybe picking covers (for DIVER DOWN) was Dave's way of rejecting Ed's more "out there" material. But here, Ed had more control. Dave apparently had the band record a version of the oldie IN THE MIDNIGHT HOUR during these sessions, but that remains unreleased. Mind you, several originals WERE rejected...Dave probably never even put vocals on some of them. In fact, it's quite clear that the band's working methods were not as efficient as they had once been. Ed was writing tons of music, but Dave was unhappy with the new direction much of the music was taking. And it wasn't just Ed's riffs or chord changes or rhythms...Eddie actually wanted to use keyboard as the primary instrument on several songs! Ed was even pushing for a little keyboard song that had already been rejected by the band (JUMP). Man, what a mess this all sounds like. Was this really the album that was going to turn the band into a household name? Well, they say tension sometimes provides for the greatest creativity. And this is no exception. The band may have been fighting, but 1984 certainly showed each member at his best (well, maybe except Mike...FAIR WARNING was probably his real album to shine, if Mike ever shined). Don't believe what some old school fans will tell you...this is NOT the keyboard album. Ed plays guitar on this album like his life depended on it. His keyboards are still a great tool for good songwriting here (unfortunately, Ed would begin drowning in them by 5150...but by that point, there wasn't a good singer around to throw out the bad music or write good melodies over it). From hits to jam sessions, from stories inspired by suicide to stories of promiscuous schoolteachers, from a song that contains only keyboards to a song that begins with an incredible drum solo...1984 has it all!

Production-wise, this album is pretty amazing. It does sound like a studio creation. But, being someone that enjoys home-recording, I find the idea of a home-recorded Van Halen album when the original line-up was still around very appealing. You can really hear the many little bursts of late night creativity in amazing moments like Ed's great solo in TOP JIMMY. And Dave sounds better than ever. It sounds like he really had time to fuck around and try new things with his vocal parts...and he sounds more confident here than on many any other album in his career (except maybe EAT 'EM AND SMILE). I fully believe the story that he actually had his assistant drive him around the city blaring the music from the new songs through the car's sound system, with Dave writing the lyrics in the back seat. It only makes sense that PANAMA was actually born in a car. Anyway, maybe I'm biased. JUMP was the first Van Halen I ever heard...and this was the only Van Halen album I owned as a child...it wasn't until a few years later that I picked up the rest. And I loved them all...but this is one special album for me. And while it may seem to pave the way for the Van Hagar sound, it has two things those fucking albums don't have: great lyrics and incredible swaggar. 5150 was to 1984 what a hangover is to a great drunken night.

1984
I know many fans of the six-pack hate this "song". I love it. 45 seconds of musical bliss....a totally dated synthesizer symphony, named by Eddie's wife and apparently taken from a 45-minute recording! (I think I read that this piece was the first thing Ed recorded in his new studio.) Anyway, this really sets the mood perfectly...it's Ed being completely creative, preparing you for JUMP and reminding you of his incredible sense of melodic music-writing. It also reminds the listener that Dave triumphs on this album, but this really is Ed's album (as would be every album that followed). Unfortunately, the very fitting fact that this song begins the album has caused many fans to have the misconception that this is the keyboard album. Well, there are three songs out of nine with keyoards, and this short instrumental is one of them.

JUMP
What needs to be said? This is, by no means, the band's best song. But it's their biggest hit. It apparently changed lives (it changed mine) and was one of the biggest hits of the 1980s. It's a brilliant piece of pop music. And as catchy as that annoying (and now dated) riff is, it's really Dave that makes this song. The hook is in his simple declaration on the chorus ("might as well jump!"), and his melodies on the bridge between the verse and the chorus are pure rock 'n' roll magic ("Can't you see me standing here, I get my back against the record machine!"...Chuck Berry would be very proud). Ed's solo is also excellent (but short), and the (now cheesy) keyboard solo seems declare "Yes, this is a hit...now, buy me!" Alex's drum sound is also new here. This really is the brown sound...funny he's not even playing his whole kit because it wouldn't all fit in the studio. Anyway, it's a great song. But, it's a shame that this song is the best-known Van Halen song since it is one of the songs least-representative of their overall sound. (Oh, and sheep, this IS the only No. 1 hit the band ever had...I thought Hagar was the more popular singer??...I guess the fact that this one album also sold more than half the entire Van Hagar catalogue is also irrelevant, huh?...oh, and Hagar has butchered this song night after night on stage...again, I don't think he gets it...the man couldn't swagger if his life depended on it.)

PANAMA
And the hits just keep on comin'. This is about a car. Dave wrote it realizing that there were no Van Halen songs about cars (writing car songs is an old rock 'n' roll cliche he wanted to live up to). What I love about this one is the melody...but I also love the sound of it. It sounds like a fucking jam-session. I can just see Ed and Al cutting this in 5150, guitar amp on 10...take 3, maybe? I love Ed's little mistake in the middle-eight (although I didn't know it was a mistake until I heard umpteen live versions of the song doing something completely different on that second bar). But just...listen to Dave! Man oh man, the melody leading up to the chorus...the "Ain't no stopping now!" part, the simple one-word chorus. It's an unbelievable hit...and the years have probably been kinder to this one than JUMP. Another quick note: listen to the relentless rhythm on this one. It sounds like AC/DC (the band that apparently inspired Ed to write the music to this). This was a huge hit for the band...probably their second-best-known song ever. And if it weren't for Dave, this would have been another SUCKA IN A 3-PIECE. The music is actually pretty generic...it's what Dave does with it that makes it unbeatable. Sammy Hagar would come in and spend 10 minutes writing about tits and breakfast cereals, and all to some generic rock 'n' roll melody, ruining it completely (as he did so many Van Halen songs). But thank God Dave stayed around long enough to make this masterpiece. It's unbeatable...1000 listens later.

TOP JIMMY
For years, this was one of my least-favorite songs on the album. Now, it's one of my very favorite Van Halen songs. It really is like the band's JOHNNY B. GOODE (as Ed suggested). Dave's little tribute to a local Los Angeles musician is touching, the lyrics are great, Ed's playing is stupendous. This is actually a much more technical guitar song than PANAMA. It's probably the first song on the album that made the rabid Ed fans sit up and listen. The tuning is interesting, the riff is complicated yet catchy...the guitar sound is wacky (with the guitar totally recorded in stereo, a different channel for each string). And I love the speed change for the solo...total rock 'n' roll. This sounds dangerous, and this album is the last time ('til ME WISE MAGIC) that they ever sounded like that. A masterpiece! (I love the "Oh Jimmy!" cry at the end...total Dave!)

DROP DEAD LEGS
Maybe my favorite Van Halen song. Well, definitely one of my favorites. It definitely comes from the same train of thought as PANAMA. In fact, fans buying this album before any other Van Halen album were probably given the misconception that Van Halen enjoyed writing typical fist-in-the-air arena rock. And that really isn't true. The band's first five albums had no songs so blatantly arena-rock as this or PANAMA (well, except for maybe RUNNIN' WITH THE DEVIL). But it's not the simple rhythm that makes this unbeatable...it's the incredibly catchy and in-your-face riff, combined with Dave's screaming-at-the-world vocals. I've had Hagar fans complain to me that the lyrics in this song are retarded. Well, sorry sheep, but I'll put a lot more stock in "nice white teeth, Betty Boop" (love that line!) than "she put the cream in my coffee!" (sounds like a major gay come-on...why is someone putting cream in YOUR coffee???). The song goes on relentlessly for a few minutes (with Ed and Al so clearly playing live together with the bass and vocals overdubbed later). But my favorite bit comes at the end, when Ed overdubs another guitar playing a great blues riff and then an amazing solo comes in (a third track!), leading to a long fade-out (I wish it went on for another five minutes!). Why the hell did Ed lose this amazing guitar tone after this album? He never sounds bluesier than he does here. On 5150, not only were the vocals light, but the guitar (and drums!!!) also sounded too poppy.

HOT FOR TEACHER
A classic, and not even one of my favorites on the album. It's funny that this is another of the band's biggest hits, and they haven't even played it since the 1984 tour. It's swagger is undeniable, it's appeal was unquestioned by millions. Yet, Hagar doesn't get it. So, he doesn't sing it. Well, if he doesn't get it, what's he doing in this band anyway? Well, it is a good thing the idiot never sang this, because he would butcher it. This isn't a song about generic verse, chorus, verse, chorus, bridge, solo, chorus...this is about attitude and spunky lyrics. It's not about having sex with some "bitch" that sure "got the rhythm". It's about "I heard you missed us, we're back!!!" Hagar used to like to say that when he toured with the band in the 90's. "We're back!" But so many in that audience thought, "Who are you again?" Anyway, enough about that idiot. Dave really delivers here...how the fuck did he think of this shit? Listen to his verse melody: "T-t-teacher, stop that screaming, teacher don't you see?" My god, man...from what rock did you crawl? You are amazing! And the lyrics? I was fucking nine-years-old, and I knew what he was talking about. I'm down for some of that. What else does Dave do here? He shuts up for long periods. He lets Al have his incredible opening drum solo. He lets Ed go nuts on the solo...he turns this into a vehicle for intense jamming by a great band...he's not just a searching for a showcase for his vocals (as Ed and Al have accused him of since). And to see this song live (I only saw the 1984 tour through the Montreal bootleg), wow. Dave just basically plays his part and gets the crowd screaming. He sticks his hand in the air when the quiet part begins...and the crowd goes nuts! What more could you ask for?

I'LL WAIT
There is not one moment I dislike on 1984...not even the four-minutes this song takes. In fact, I'll do you one better...I fucking love this song. Yes, I know. It's cheesy. The keyboard is dated. This is "too 80s". Well, you want to know why I love it? My answer is one word. Take a guess. That's right...Dave. Dave fucking rules on this song. Yes, Ed has his cheesy keyboard that reminds me of being a young schoolboy thinking the world always had synthesizers. Alex goes for a typical 4/4 80s drum beat underneath the cheesy synths. The solo is great...the chords are cheesy but cool. BUT DAVE!!! Oh man, "You got me captured, I'm under your spell!" Damn straight. Do the pop routine Dave, because you actually make even that sound cool. Yes, Dave was against doing this, but he obviously got into it enough to come up with an incredible melody and amusing lyrics about a girl in a photograph! Sam would, of course, have a cheesy melody and sing about some town in Mexico in which men eat breakfast burritos on their girlfriend's bellybuttons. Or he would sing about getting kidnapped by aliens while trying to drive 55 through a school zone, killing 5 children. But Dave, he helped make his a big hit. It's the most dated song on the album, but it's another one I really like. (Of course, any cheesier and you're drowning in fondue.)

GIRL GONE BAD
The album's masterpiece. I don't play guitar...just drums and vocals. But I can say with confidence that this song sounds like the most technically-accomplished thing Ed pulls off on the album (if not one of the most accomplished songs of his career). A great, non-typical rock beat, great off-beats and time changes. Amazing guitar sound. In fact, this is one in which Dave is excellent but is overshadowed by the guitar playing. Ed's solo on this is amazing (and listen to the way Al changes beats under the high note in the solo). My favorite moment in the song? Well, my favorite moment in the song is maybe my favorite moment in the entire Van Halen catalogue. Eddie quiets down after his solo and starts picking out the main notes again and Dave fades in with a little mid-range note and then another Dave appears in the right speaker singing some line that after listening for 20 years, I still can't make out. Anyone know what he's actually saying? It sounds to me like "I've heard you like to take me show-oh-ah," etc. (nonsense, but that's all I can hear). Anyway, this is Van Halen at its very best. It's incredible that this album contained this song and the next album contained GOOD ENOUGH.

HOUSE OF PAIN
Yup. Pretty vintage-sounding Van Halen. Of course, even though this was recorded for both the Gene Simmons ZERO demo and the '77 Warner Bros. demos, this version is radically different. And it's excellent...great hard rock. Technically, it's probably the least-accomplished thing on the album. And Dave is so buried in the mix that you can practically not hear a thing he is saying...he definitely has less of a chance to shine here. But I still love this track...I love everything on this album. I love Dave's little "Ah ah, ah ah, ah ah, ah ah ah ah ah ah ah" as Ed plays a soft bluesy lick. It kind of reminds me of Plant singing with Page on NOBODY'S FAULT BUT MINE. But still, overall, this is the only song on the album that I think doesn't really progress the band at all. But on an album where eight songs have already done that, why not just close it off with a vintage barnstormer? And this mother fucker worked so well live (of course, the 1984 was the only tour that saw the band pull this out...I mean think about how much fans have been fucked with Hagar being in the line-up!!!). Funny enough, the excellent BIG TROUBLE (not the Dave solo song) was also tried out during these sessions (also on the ZERO demos and '77 Warner Bros. tapes). And I actually like BIG TROUBLE more (as a song), but it definitely wouldn't have fit as much on this album since one more rocker to close it out was exactly what the doctor ordered (and Alex apparently demanded that the band record this and include it in the final tracklist). Oh, and the fade-out...among the saddest in the history of rock. Could this really be the end?? Nobody expected that the band wouldn't be heard from again (at least for 12 years, and only temporarily).

Well, that's it. I'd love to read any feedback or opinions from anyone else. This is my favorite VH album for every reason I've listed above. But one more quick comment: it's amusing that how inconspicuous Mikey is on this album. He really is hiding under a lot of the mixes, even occasionally replaced with a synth bass. And Al didn't have his full drums. The studio was still rough. Of course, these rough edges added both to the album's severe rawness and it's over-the-top commerciality. 1984 is a masterpiece. Pity we never heard a real follow-up. But maybe that just adds to the album's legend.

If you haven't listened to it in a while, blast it in your stereo and make sure you don't do anything else while listening to it. Play it loud and play it proud, and listen closely to it...listen to all the nuances you may have missed out on the first 1,000 times you heard it. This one is a real winner!;)

MAX
08-25-2004, 02:49 PM
Great assessment Rikk and that's why this gets a sticky thus replacing the dated Diver Down thread. lol.

Again, thanks Rikk for yet another stellar post. Much appreciated bro.

lafours
08-25-2004, 02:52 PM
Excellent review. 1984 is probobly my favorite VH album as well.. It is legendary..It is the DEFINITIVE hard rock album of the 80's.

Ed's more "studio craft" pop tendencies were perfectly balanced out by Diamond Dave....making the most mature, yet cool side of Van HAlen ever recorded.

frenchie
08-25-2004, 03:12 PM
rikk, it's always a pleasure to read you.what an excellent work! thank you very much.my english is not very good but the way you write is very good!

Rikk
08-25-2004, 03:19 PM
Thank you so much, friends! Thanks for the great feedback!

spmusicplyr
08-25-2004, 03:29 PM
Wow...you give it up for Girl gone bad and Top jimmy, and thats why i like you so much more now!
Jump is an easy, cheesy song. Nobody, unless they're musically inclined like you and I, realizes the difficulty of girl gone bad.

Thanks!

spmusicplyr
08-25-2004, 03:31 PM
Oh you know what else i do....there might be a time where i listen to an album more than 5 times in a row....

Each time, i pay attention to only one instrument at a time. Maybe its just drums, just bass or vocals etc.

You'd be amazed at what you hear when you pick only one part instead of absorbing the whole sound.

Rikk
08-25-2004, 03:43 PM
Originally posted by spmusicplyr
Oh you know what else i do....there might be a time where i listen to an album more than 5 times in a row....

Each time, i pay attention to only one instrument at a time. Maybe its just drums, just bass or vocals etc.

You'd be amazed at what you hear when you pick only one part instead of absorbing the whole sound.

Oh, hell yeah! I do the same thing...I go through different phases with bands. I even once listened very closely to the bass on VH II...and while it wasn't that technical, I heard a bunch of little bits and pieces I hadn't noticed before that I really liked! I love the little "hidden" nuances of what people are playing!

And yup, the playing on TOP JIMMY and especially GIRL GONE BAD astound me every time I hear them. Would you say GIRL GONE BAD is Eddie's hardest song to learn?

A vote for you!:)

fe_lung
08-25-2004, 06:21 PM
A good review that made me rethink what I've always seen as an over-appreciated album!

I've always found Jump to be an interesting song, though. It's an exceptionally dark lyric couched in a radio-friendly tune. That period of time produced three different songs of that type, "Every Breath You Take", and "Born In The USA" being the others. All three are pretty pessimistic songs whose meaning was lost on mainstream audiences (is it coincidence that all three were the biggest hits of their respective artists careers?)

Jump is probably the most hopeful of the three. Springsteen's tune is a much darker affair ("got nowhere to run, ain't got nowhere to go"), and Stings is downright scary in it's obsession. Dave's is more buoyant. I think that this is the result of Dave's outlook. He seems to be saying that there's a lot in life that kind of sucks but you gotta grin and bear it. If you just can't lighten up and roll with the punches then you might as well jump!

Of course, Dave always injected humor and good times into his lyrics, a habit which Bruce and Sting are rarely guilty of. Likewise, Dave doesn't take himself or his art too seriously.

Anyway, that's just my thoughts on things. I could be wrong.

rob100
08-25-2004, 06:22 PM
Must have listened that album at least 1000 times also.
'Girl gone bad' sure is one of Van Halen's finest moments.

Sometimes I wonder if there are overdubs in the cymbals on some places on the album, or if Alex just an amazing drummer. I only play guitar.

Great review, Rikk.

sambo
08-25-2004, 07:25 PM
A pleasure to read Rikk, well done..

Reverberator
08-25-2004, 07:33 PM
Good read .

ClubDave
08-25-2004, 10:18 PM
man, another excellent review.......you really channel up all the great memories i have of vh.......i think mikes bass sounds really great on girl gone bad, that is one of the few songs where you realy get a good feel of everyone in the band, and mike is on in the chorus too........mikes other great bass song is hot for teacher.......his bass is so heavy there, just listen to him thump during ed's solo.......im interested in doing the write up on vh I........if its cool with the mods just shout me an ok, and i could have it up as early as tonight, hopefully that is

Matt White
08-25-2004, 10:23 PM
If I could vote for you AGAIN Rikk , I would surely do so. 1984. Gotta admit, I was ONE of those guys who originaly thought of it as the "KEYBOARD" album. LOVED PANAMA, TOP JIMMY, DROP DEAD LEGS, GIRL GONE BAD, & HOUSE OF PAIN RIGHT OFF. It took YEARS before I came to appreciate JUMP and I'LL WAIT.
At the time, I would have rated it my LEAST FAVORITE VAN HALEN recording. But time, and the shit put out by Van Hagar, have made me realize what a MASTERPIECE 1984 truly is. STELLAR FROM START TO FINISH!!!!!!!:killer: :killer: :killer: :killer: :killer: :killer: :killer:

AAA+++


DAVE OR THE GRAVE BABY!!!!!

Chaz Rock City
08-25-2004, 10:58 PM
1984 was the intro to my college radio show. I also stole the title of the show from Dave: Entertainment at Maximum Impact

TwoFoolsAMinute
08-25-2004, 11:09 PM
That was Fantastic! I'll have the CD in when I go to work tomorrow.

hotdog@ a shake
08-25-2004, 11:52 PM
oh hell yeh....

10 MILLION VAN HALEN FANS CAN'T BE WRONG!!!

"1984" remains to be the last peak in thier career and it's been all down hill ever since...

AMAZING FUCKIN' ALBUM and DAVE is stellar all the way thru...

and to those of u that don't dig "JUMP", what the hell? don't tell me everytime u hear that first keyboard chord, u guyz don't get the chills? LOL

what's still amazing to me about this cd is that Dave, as a vocalist, was absolutely fantastic! his tone is real consistant, clear and his range seemed to be opening up to the next level. he's actually singing, rather than his usual screaming, skip, schtick...etc...

compare his vocals from "1984" to "EAT 'EM @ SMILE".

Dave Roth is a living LEGEND folks!!!

Bill Lumbergh
08-26-2004, 02:29 AM
What a great read Rikk! 1984 is my LEAST favorite six pack record, yet it is still undeniably great. That whole time period brings back amazing memories for me..............thanks bro. Fave 1984 track- House of Pain

bueno bob
08-26-2004, 03:45 AM
Nice read, Rikk! 1984, sad to have to say it (but consider my age) is what introduced me to Van Halen. Jump, in particular. There I was, all of ten and listening to whatever crap was on the radio or MTV at the time (which wasn't anything special...10 years old means no job means no cash means no records or tapes means you get what you get and be glad you have it!). Jump came on and I just about shit my pants. In a time when I was being force fed Men at Work, Hall and Oates, and whatever other bullshit was out there, here was a fun song, a pleasant and upbeat song, nice enough for the radio, yes, but addictive and catchy. I still get the willies hearing it to this day...it had that much impact.

Picking up pop cans to afford the tape was second nature, so within days I had enough cash to afford it, and man, was I surprised! Not only were they having fun with Jump but they were kicking your ass with Hot for Teacher and House of Pain, Panama was a great rocker (still is), Girl Gone Bad is still one of my favorite VH songs ever and the rest of the album flowed as cool as a Pepsi down your throat after mowing the lawn on a hot July day.

The rest of the Van Halen catalog came after, and I knew that, one of these days, I would be old enough to catch them live...then came 1985, and yet I had hope still - maybe this Sammy Hagar guy wouldn't be a bad catch. They'd still play the same songs live, sure, and what the hell, I was 11 and optimistic. Of COURSE it was going to be a great album, hell, it was VAN HALEN!

Typical childish ignorance, but let children be children while they can, hmm?

1984 remains to this day my favorite Van Halen album, even though it was the beginning of Van Halen: The Lite Years. It always picks up my day and makes me smile, no matter what kind of shit life has thrown my direction...and I've YET to find a better album to drive to the beach listening to on a hot and sunny Saturday afternoon with the top down and the volume up to 10.

They say the brightest flame burns the quickest, but for one brief moment in time, Van Halen caught it (for me, anyway) PERFECTLY.

ashstralia
08-26-2004, 10:00 AM
agree with all of the above.
i've posted elsewhere that
this album has a special
resonance for me.
a coming of age thing.

the other thing was
THE VIDEOS!!

i thought these guys were the
most impossibly cool people on the planet!
mini =vh= in hot for teacher,
dave swimming on the wire with the ghetto
blaster in panama,

how fucking cool was that?
all dave's vision of course.

Panamark
08-26-2004, 10:37 AM
Great stuff Rikk ! :)

I actually listen to 1984 and hear Van Halen at their peak.
Sure it was recorded in Ed's new studio, sure it had two
keyboard tunes.. *BUT* they were at the top of their game.
This album rocks, bigtime. Probably the only original Van Halen
album that didnt really need remastering.

Panama, Hot for Teacher, house of Pain, Girl Gone Bad, Top Jimmy,
and of couse Jump.... I loved this tune.. Why ?? Suddenly all these
dipshits that didnt get Van Halen were seeing them at number one...

Now *THE* most important fact. This was the last album made by
the real lineup. The largest selling album (with VH1)
and the album with their only number one hit. I fucking love it !

As House of Pain fades out. We are left with the empty feeling
of this is the end.

Until a brief flash when CGTSNM and MWM sprang up some 12 years
later...

This stuff was brilliant, one more guys, thats all you owe us.

Andertime
08-26-2004, 11:34 AM
Great review Rikk! I thoroughly enjoy all of your posts.

It seems that 1984 was what introduced many of us to VH. I remember watching the Jump video and seeing Eddie tapping in the solo and thinking, "what the fuck was that?" I had my mom buy me the tape and I was totally mesmerized. I soon owned the entire six-pack and was known amongst my friends as the VH freak. I loved this moniker until the spring of 1986.

Like Bueno Bob, I couldn’t wait to see VH live. Then came 1985 and Eddie and tubby played at farm aid and I remember thinking, “This is pretty lame, but hey its EVH, it’s gotta be cool.” I thought that until the spring of 86 when that piece of shit WCTBL was released. I remember hanging out with my buddies when that song came on and everyone laughed and said that it sucked. I remember the let down feeling I had when I heard it, total disappointment. I just wanted the feeling that I had when I heard any song of the six-pack.

I don’t even tell people that I like VH anymore. I got sick of the having to validate it by saying “I only like the DLR era”. You know what I’m talking about, especially back in the late 80’s. You would say that you like VH and people would look at you with that “Are you fucking kidding me look?” and then when you would say, “I only like the Dave stuff”, people would give you a nod of approval.

It’s cool to be able to come to a place where everybody feels the same way that you do. The DLR Army rocks!!!!!

Marlowe01
08-26-2004, 11:45 AM
If only someone could do that for Diver Down...that CD is VASTLY underrated, although not my favorite.

Rikk
08-26-2004, 12:12 PM
Originally posted by Marlowe01
If only someone could do that for Diver Down...that CD is VASTLY underrated, although not my favorite.

Did you check out my DIVER DOWN REVISITED thread? It's probably on Page 2 or something now, but it's still here. Just not stickied.

ClubDave
08-26-2004, 04:55 PM
Originally posted by Andertime


I soon owned the entire six-pack and was known amongst my friends as the VH freak. I loved this moniker until the spring of 1986.



that is a really funny little line you have written there.......i have decided to go on with the VH I revisited and hopefully it will be up shortly

Andertime
08-26-2004, 05:09 PM
I think all true Van Halen fans that were around back then know what I'm talking about.

Can't wait to check out your review.

Vanstonica
08-26-2004, 05:30 PM
Great review, Rikk.

And I couldn't agree with Panamark more, about the feeling House of Pain leaves you with at the end. A feeling that's been unfulfilled to this day.

I wonder, if they had known it was going to be their last album together, if they would have ended the album a little differently??

DLRdelight!
08-26-2004, 09:26 PM
Great review of the album

tjvhou812
08-26-2004, 09:41 PM
1984 is a kickass album...

but vh only makes ass kicking albums

TwoFoolsAMinute
08-26-2004, 10:42 PM
Well, I threw it in today and listened to 1984 all the way through. I guess all I have to say is that I don't get this love affair with "Girl Gone Bad" that song sounds confused and badly mixed to me.

=Marshall=
08-27-2004, 04:20 AM
I had to put the record on while reading this. Great review Rikk! 1984's sound is so brilliant, it is tight but still has a lot of air and ambience to it. I rate it right up there as the one of the best sounding records of all time. Zep's III is kinda similar in it's tight-but-loose sound IMO.

And I agree that Girl Gone Bad is the most amazing piece of work guitarwise from Ed, ever. Awesome licks, awesome solo, and the harmonic tapping technique reaches it's peak here. And Dave fits in the mood of the music like glue! One of my favorites! Gotta go blast it out the stereo right now! :killer:

Terry
08-27-2004, 05:04 PM
1984...............

Title track..........wanking on a synth

Jump...........suppose as far as Van Halen songs with keyboards go, this is one of the better ones, although the dialectic nature of the lyrics and the instrumentation is really the only point of interest.

Panama.........solid effort


Top Jimmy........obscure


Drop Dead Legs........this track has never gotten old for me


Hot For Teacher........same with this one, though lord knows it should have as many times as I've heard it.


I'll Wait...........never cared for this one even when it was new. The meek nature of the lyrics, a throwaway guitar solo, etc. For me, one of the few classic VH tracks that borders on the disposable.

Girl Gone Bad........does seem to be a somewhat slapdash effort, comprised of a drum and guitar jam heard during Somebody Get Me A Doctor at the Us Festival, and the vocals feel rushed. But it has an intensity that sets it apart as one of my favorite tracks on the album

House of Pain........far and away the best track on the record. No shock that it was on of Halen's older tunes ressurrected for this effort.



MA's bass sounded better on this album than on nearly every other 6 pack effort, Fair Warning excepted.

For some reason, I really dug AVH's work on this record too, both in terms of what he played and how it sounded. Great drum tones and performance. Even the electronic drums aren't as grating as they were on 5150.

Was really Ed's last hurrah as far as guitar work went. His tone wasn't quite as clear on this one as on the previous 5, but it hadn't degenerated into that mid EQ slush that permeated all of Van Hagar's stuff. Dug his use of alternate tuning on Top Jimmy, the fade out multitracked guitar work on the end of Drop Dead Legs, and Hot For Teacher/Girl Gone Bad/House of Pain from start to finish.


Roth puts in a solid performance throughout. Interesting lyrics, solid vocals.


Definitely the best sounding record done at 5150 to these ears. Maybe that had something to do with Templeman producing and Ed having as yet to fuck around with the gear he was using.

Give it a 7 out of 10. Loses points for skipworthy tracks (title track and I'll Wait)

secrets
08-28-2004, 03:32 PM
Originally posted by Terry
MA's bass sounded better on this album than on nearly every other 6 pack effort, Fair Warning excepted.

For some reason, I really dug AVH's work on this record too, both in terms of what he played and how it sounded. Great drum tones and performance. Even the electronic drums aren't as grating as they were on 5150.

Was really Ed's last hurrah as far as guitar work went. His tone wasn't quite as clear on this one as on the previous 5, but it hadn't degenerated into that mid EQ slush that permeated all of Van Hagar's stuff. Dug his use of alternate tuning on Top Jimmy, the fade out multitracked guitar work on the end of Drop Dead Legs, and Hot For Teacher/Girl Gone Bad/House of Pain from start to finish.


Roth puts in a solid performance throughout. Interesting lyrics, solid vocals.


Definitely the best sounding record done at 5150 to these ears. Maybe that had something to do with Templeman producing and Ed having as yet to fuck around with the gear he was using.

Give it a 7 out of 10. Loses points for skipworthy tracks (title track and I'll Wait)

Terry that is the most honest and accurate review of this album I've ever read.

I couldn't agree more.

Rikk
08-29-2004, 01:09 AM
Originally posted by secrets
Terry that is the most honest and accurate review of this album I've ever read.

I couldn't agree more.

LOL. What wasn't honest about my review?:D

secrets
08-29-2004, 06:01 AM
Originally posted by Rikk
LOL. What wasn't honest about my review?:D

Sorry Rikk! I liked your review too, I thought it was an interesting read just related to what Terry said, especially about the use of keyboards on title track "Jump" and "I'll Wait" which for me detract slightly from an otherwise excellent album.

I don't mind those songs but they just sound a bit dated to me.

I don't think EVH used keyboards that well on any VH track apart from "And The Cradle Will Rock" where he got an amazing sound by playing through a distorted guitar amp.

dave_is_vh
08-29-2004, 05:36 PM
Drop Dead Legs has got to be Ed's best guitar solo ever. It kills me every time.

Rikk
08-29-2004, 05:42 PM
Originally posted by dave_is_vh
Drop Dead Legs has got to be Ed's best guitar solo ever. It kills me every time.

Yup. It is pretty fucking incredible.

tjvhou812
08-29-2004, 11:10 PM
dave says

Terry
08-30-2004, 05:08 PM
Originally posted by secrets
Terry that is the most honest and accurate review of this album I've ever read.

I couldn't agree more.

Some like 1984 more than others, and that's cool, too.

When it first came out, I was playing it constantly from start to finish, but for me some of the tracks just didn't have the same endurance as the years went by, unlike, say Fair Warning or Women and Children First, which still get played from start to finish to this day (even though I'm tempted to skip And The Cradle Will Rock at times).

Diver Down is kind of along the same lines as 1984, in that a few of the tracks get skippped when I listen to it (Where Have All The Good Times Gone?, Dancing In The Streets), and not necessarily due to being overplayed on the radio either (a la Jump).

DavidLeeNatra
08-30-2004, 05:42 PM
Originally posted by tjvhou812
dave says

sam says:

http://www.rotharmy.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=117770

suck me again tjvhou812 !!! then back in the sheep pen...

Rikk
08-30-2004, 06:51 PM
LOL!!!!!!!!

Where did you get that fucking pic??

Bill Lumbergh
08-30-2004, 06:59 PM
Originally posted by Rikk
LOL!!!!!!!!

Where did you get that fucking pic??

In the BOBW liner notes.........under the pic it says Michael Anthony-Bass, Vocals

DavidLeeNatra
08-31-2004, 04:57 AM
Originally posted by Rikk
LOL!!!!!!!!

Where did you get that fucking pic??

believe it or not...as I am a behind-the-enemy-lines-worrier, I was on an undercover operation on the ched-rocker-site...and there it is... :D

tex36
09-01-2004, 04:02 AM
1984 was GOOD. Definitley not great. Had some high points but mostly lows. Ya'll need to pop in women and children first or fair warning to really appreciate the KICK ASS ATTITUDE this band had in their heyday. Even Diver Down has stronger songs than 1984. Listen to the Full Bug and you will experience the Van Halen sound that was lost from 1984 on. I have been to the concerts from 1980 through the 1984 tour. The Fair Warning tour was by far the most entertaining of all.

secrets
09-01-2004, 01:01 PM
Originally posted by tex36
1984 was GOOD. Definitley not great. Had some high points but mostly lows. Ya'll need to pop in women and children first or fair warning to really appreciate the KICK ASS ATTITUDE this band had in their heyday. Even Diver Down has stronger songs than 1984. Listen to the Full Bug and you will experience the Van Halen sound that was lost from 1984 on. I have been to the concerts from 1980 through the 1984 tour. The Fair Warning tour was by far the most entertaining of all.

1984 IS a great album with a only a few weak points IMO, but I'd have to say you're right about Fair Warning and WACF, which are totally Kick Ass from start to finish and pretty much underrated.

meanstreet
09-09-2004, 03:21 PM
If it's a Van Halen album with Dave as the toastmaster general at the helm, it's ALL good...

Rikk
05-25-2005, 09:58 PM
Been listening to the six-pack a LOT this week. I want to bump these and maybe get some good discussion.:) I'm proud of these write-ups I did.

Big Fat Sammy
05-26-2005, 01:51 AM
Originally posted by Rikk
My favorite moment in the song? Well, my favorite moment in the song is maybe my favorite moment in the entire Van Halen catalogue. Eddie quiets down after his solo and starts picking out the main notes again and Dave fades in with a little mid-range note and then another Dave appears in the right speaker singing some line that after listening for 20 years, I still can't make out. Anyone know what he's actually saying? It sounds to me like "I've heard you like to take me show-oh-ah," etc. (nonsense, but that's all I can hear).

I clicked on this thread with the intention of asking that very question...I've asked many times...still don't know.

It sounds to me like "These streetwalkers....have nowhere to call home" Hell i dont know!

Great review!!! :)

DLR7884
08-03-2005, 02:00 AM
Copied.

DLR7884
1 more thread to go.

VonHalen
08-03-2005, 06:07 PM
well put

Rikk
08-03-2005, 08:10 PM
Much obliged. And a free stickied thread to anyone that can supply proof of the phrase Dave is using on the quiet part in the middle of GIRL GONE BAD...

ashstralia
08-04-2005, 06:58 AM
how cool to read that again.

resurrect another one next week, rikk!

Rikk
08-04-2005, 09:07 AM
Thank you, ASH.;)

Actually, the five I did are all in here somewhere...but I'm gonna eventually write another one up...maybe for the debut or DEMO DAZE.:)

Matt White
01-29-2006, 12:37 PM
1984....


A CLASSIC......


LEARN IT LOVE IT LIVE IT

SNIPER
01-29-2006, 01:01 PM
The only flaw on this masterpiece is in some of the mix Roth got fucked over. Like in Girl Gone Bad you cant hear shit!

Matt White
01-30-2006, 12:09 PM
Classic recording....Front to back....

Matt White
05-23-2006, 10:06 AM
GIRL GONE BAD?!?!

UH uh UH uhUH uh HUHUhuHU hu UH huhu

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a278/darkness2006/Vonsgirls.jpg

Unchainme
05-16-2007, 05:34 PM
BUMP