Rumsfeld admitted a "missile" hit Pentagon...

[Hardrock69]

"It is a truth that a terrorist can attack any time, any place, using any technique and it's physically impossible to defend at every time and every place against every conceivable technique. Here we're talking about plastic knives and using an American Airlines flight filed with our citizens, and the MISSILE to damage this building and similar (inaudible) that damaged the World Trade Center. The only way to deal with this problem is by taking the battle to the terrorists, wherever they are, and dealing with them."

He also admitted there were "lots of warnings" about 9/11 attack:

http://www.thememoryhole.org/911/rumsfeld-warnings.htm

[LoungeMachine]

Interesting interview.

Nice find, HR

[academic punk]

The plane WAS used as a missle.

Deal with it.

In terms of "the warning signs", they're easy to see after the fact.

Ever have a girl break up with you< and at first you were like "WTF brought that on?" and then after a few days and a thousand drinks the warning signs were clearly evident?

[Keeyth]

These were clear warning signs.

Signs like her saying "If you do that one more time, I'm going to break up with you" warning signs.

Deal with that.

[Mezro]

Originally posted by academic punk
The plane WAS used as a missle.


It was used as a missle. But that is not what Rummy said.

Mezro...he said "...AND the missle..."seems like he let something slip...so much for Mr. Slick goes to Washington...

[Phil theStalker]

Originally posted by Mezro
It was used as a missle. But that is not what Rummy said.

Mezro...he said "...AND the missle..."seems like he let something slip...so much for Mr. Slick goes to Washington...
Wot aboot da radiation signature found at da Penta5gon, like wit DU? huh


:spank:

[Mezro]

Originally posted by Phil theStalker
Wot aboot da radiation signature found at da Penta5gon, like wit DU? huh


:spank:

There are plenty of fucked up things about 9/11 that keep leaking out.

Mezro...the truth is out there...the Bush machine has plenty of slipping cogs in clogs...

[Phil theStalker]

Originally posted by Keeyth
These were clear warning signs.

Signs like her saying "If you do that one more time, I'm going to break up with you" warning signs.

Deal with that.
Oh yeh, y'know i wuz tellin' folks in porno chat rooms in june 2001 dat da U.S. wood bee at war and tit wood start "sept. 15-17"..

DAT'S FAKKING CLOSE, MUTHAS!

I'm psychic.:)

i wish

actually, i'mm very awares aff da political farts..

Has anyo1ne seen Gen. Kevin Burnes lately? huh


:spank:

[BigBadBrian]

Originally posted by Mezro
There are plenty of fucked up things about 9/11 that keep leaking out.

Mezro...the truth is out there...the Bush machine has plenty of slipping cogs in clogs...

Come on, Mez, you're not one of those conspiracy theorists, are you?

You actually believe a missile hit the Pentagon instead of a plane?

[BigBadBrian]

Originally posted by Phil theStalker
Oh yeh, y'know i wuz tellin' folks in porno chat rooms in june 2001 dat da U.S. wood bee at war and tit wood start "sept. 15-17"..

DAT'S FAKKING CLOSE, MUTHAS!

I'm psychic.:)

i wish

actually, i'mm very awares aff da political farts..

Has anyo1ne seen Gen. Kevin Burnes lately? huh


:spank:

I think it's spelled Byrnes. ;)

[Keeyth]

Originally posted by BigBadBrian
Come on, Mez, you're not one of those conspiracy theorists, are you?

You actually believe a missile hit the Pentagon instead of a plane?

You actually believe a plane hit the Pentagon???? :confused:

[academic punk]

Originally posted by Keeyth
You actually believe a plane hit the Pentagon???? :confused:

Yes.

[Keeyth]

Originally posted by academic punk
Yes.

Not from the pictures I saw. Where was the plane?

[academic punk]

Originally posted by Keeyth
Not from the pictures I saw. Where was the plane?

Lodged in the buildings side.

[Mezro]

Originally posted by BigBadBrian
Come on, Mez, you're not one of those conspiracy theorists, are you?

You actually believe a missile hit the Pentagon instead of a plane?

I wouldn't call myself a conspiracy theorist BBB but there are plenty of things that don't add up.

Mezro...I am sure a plane hit the Pentagon...what I am not sure about is if there were missles and/or explosives used along with it...

[Keeyth]

There was a hole in the building that didn't account for the wingspan. and no damage where the sings should have hit.

[Guitar Shark]

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pentagon.htm

[academic punk]

Originally posted by Guitar Shark
*Edit* - Nevermind, I misread the thread.

Schmuck.

[Mezro]

Originally posted by Guitar Shark
http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pentagon.htm

That solves it for me.

Mezro...can we work on Chupacabra next?...:D...

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Keeyth
Not from the pictures I saw. Where was the plane?

Well, after hitting a reinforced concrete structure with rhubarb mesh wire and kevlar blast screens at nearly 400mph, I really can't fathom as to why the entire plane isn't completely intact and ready to fly out of there:rolleyes:.

Do you guys ever waste your time on any thing else besides crack-pot theories? I once posted several pics of plane crashes in which nothing detectable of an aircraft was left, so those crashes never happened? And again, what happened to the people on board? How could several hundred US military personnel carry out an attack without ONE OF THEM having a guilty conscience?

I guess the Valujet Fl109 crash 'never happened' either...
http://www.cnn.com/US/9605/11/plane.crash/6p/crash.site.large.jpg
http://www.cnn.com/US/9605/11/plane.crash/6p/

There ARE PLENTY OF QUESTIONS as to what happened on 9/11, and perhaps why it was allowed to happen, but you guys are completely misdirecting the effort at reaching the truth.

[Baby's On Fire]

Originally posted by Keeyth
Not from the pictures I saw. Where was the plane?

Duh.............vaporized. A piece of aluminum tubing hitting concrete at 500 mph gets vaporized.

Plus all the fucking PEOPLE on the plane are gone.................unless you think aliens abducted them right before they hit the building.

Or maybe their disappearance was part of the government conspiracy:rolleyes:

[Keeyth]

Originally posted by Guitar Shark
http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pentagon.htm

Rummy said missile buddy...

[Guitar Shark]

Originally posted by Keeyth
Rummy said missile buddy...

And so this is the one time you choose to believe him?

Let's assume that a missile was involved, and a plane didn't actually hit the Pentagon. What happened to the hundreds of people who were on that plane? Are they all being held in a bunker somewhere?

[Baby's On Fire]

Originally posted by Keeyth
Rummy said missile buddy...

A "missile" is a flying projectile of any type. A fucking pencil thrown at your head is a "missile".

The plane was used as a ...............................MISSILE.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Baby's On Fire
A "missile" is a flying projectile of any type. A fucking pencil thrown at your head is a "missile".

The plane was used as a ...............................MISSILE.

Exactly! RUMSFELD says a lot of dumb fucking things....But in fact the Boeing 737s were effectively converted into a cruise missiles.

[Keeyth]

Originally posted by Guitar Shark
And so this is the one time you choose to believe him?

Let's assume that a missile was involved, and a plane didn't actually hit the Pentagon. What happened to the hundreds of people who were on that plane? Are they all being held in a bunker somewhere?

Did you know any of them personally? Can you prove they didn't just make up a passenger list of names to give to the press? Can you PROVE there WAS a plane??

[Baby's On Fire]

Originally posted by Keeyth
Did you know any of them personally? Can you prove they didn't just make up a passenger list of names to give to the press? Can you PROVE there WAS a plane??

YES, in fact I can.

A very famus prosecutor (made famous from her CNN commentary during the OJ Simpson trial) WAS ON THE FUCKING PLANE.

Her husband is the current Solicitor General of The United States...................unless this is all a fucking conspiracy too.

Her name was "Barbara"....I can't recall her surname. It was all over the news after 911.

[Keeyth]

Well, without a last name, that'll sure stand up in court, huh GS? That proves it right there I guess! :p

"Barbara" LMAO! Sounds like you knew her REAL personally...

[Guitar Shark]

Originally posted by Keeyth
Well, without a last name, that'll sure stand up in court, huh GS? That proves it right there I guess! :p

"Barbara" LMAO! Sounds like you knew her REAL personally...

I didn't make that last post, Keeyth. Baby's On Fire did. But he's right, I remember the same thing.

After 9/11 a bunch of family members were all over the news, telling their sad stories of their loved ones. I assume you're calling all of these people liars, or that they're in on some conspiracy?

[Baby's On Fire]

Originally posted by Keeyth
Well, without a last name, that'll sure stand up in court, huh GS? That proves it right there I guess! :p

"Barbara" LMAO! Sounds like you knew her REAL personally...
You're an IDIOT. Her husband is TED OLSEN. Do you know who he is? Obviously not.

So I guess he was in on the conspiracy too.......the only people involved in the "conspiracy" are those fucking SAND ******S.

And by the way, for the record, I think DUBBYA is a worthless, no-brain, lying scumbag.

[FORD]

Originally posted by Baby's On Fire
YES, in fact I can.

A very famus prosecutor (made famous from her CNN commentary during the OJ Simpson trial) WAS ON THE FUCKING PLANE.

Her husband is the current Solicitor General of The United States...................unless this is all a fucking conspiracy too.

Her name was "Barbara"....I can't recall her surname. It was all over the news after 911.

Barbara Olson.

Others on the same alleged plane included several DOD employees, and also employees of Raytheon, a defense contractor who makes, among other things, the Global Hawk remote control technology which allows passenger jets to be flown remotely.

With Olson being a skilled propagandist for the BCE, it seems like just a list of people that the BCE might want to work for them, if they were about to launch a major propaganda operation to manufacture consent for a global war.

Ted Olson's a slimy lying bastard. But I don't see him continuing to work for an administration that murdered his wife. Therfore, between the passenger list and the physical evidence at the Pentagon site, which proved a plane couldn't have hit the building, I can only conclude that Babs Olson isn't dead.

But at least she's not on TV anymore. And that IS a good thing.

[BigBadBrian]

Originally posted by Keeyth
There was a hole in the building that didn't account for the wingspan. and no damage where the sings should have hit.


Compared to the concrete building, those aluminum wings were like balsa wood. They're not going through concrete. They folded and were consumed in the explosion.

:gulp:

[Guitar Shark]

Originally posted by FORD
Barbara Olson.

Others on the same alleged plane included several DOD employees, and also employees of Raytheon, a defense contractor who makes, among other things, the Global Hawk remote control technology which allows passenger jets to be flown remotely.

With Olson being a skilled propagandist for the BCE, it seems like just a list of people that the BCE might want to work for them, if they were about to launch a major propaganda operation to manufacture consent for a global war.

Ted Olson's a slimy lying bastard. But I don't see him continuing to work for an administration that murdered his wife. Therfore, between the passenger list and the physical evidence at the Pentagon site, which proved a plane couldn't have hit the building, I can only conclude that Babs Olson isn't dead.

But at least she's not on TV anymore. And that IS a good thing.

Oh . . .

my . . .

God.

[Warham]

And you question my mind?

[Guitar Shark]

Originally posted by Warham
And you question my mind?

;)

[Warham]

Where's Lounge and Nick to back up FORD when he posts this stuff?

[Guitar Shark]

Nick has gone on record criticizing the conspiracy theorist stuff. Not sure about Lounge.

[Warham]

Yeah, that was a mean shot at Nick. I'll just attack Lounge for right now.

[FORD]

Originally posted by BigBadBrian
Compared to the concreted building, those aluminum wings were like balsa wood. They're not going through concrete. They folded and were consumed in the explosion.

:gulp:

Isn't this a concrete building?
http://www.vho.org/tr/2002/2/wtc.jpg
Looks like the wings went through intact to me.

The reason there weren't wing holes at the Pentagon is that missiles don't have them.

[Warham]

The Pentagon is constructed differently than the two towers were. At least the outer wall. The comparison is thin at best.

[Guitar Shark]

Did you even read that snopes article FORD?

Two totally different constructions. The concrete in the Pentagon was actually limestone 2 feet thick. A building "gives" far more, with the glass etc., and the plane was going about twice as fast anyway.

[Keeyth]

Originally posted by Guitar Shark
I didn't make that last post, Keeyth. Baby's On Fire did.

I know that, but you're the legal expert, right? So I was directing that question to you.

[Keeyth]

Originally posted by Baby's On Fire


And by the way, for the record, I think DUBBYA is a worthless, no-brain, lying scumbag.

Well, at least we agree on ONE thing! :p

[Guitar Shark]

Originally posted by Keeyth
I know that, but you're the legal expert, right? So I was directing that question to you.

I am not a legal expert, and BOF answered your question in his next post, so I'm really not sure what you're looking for at this point.

[Keeyth]

Originally posted by FORD
Barbara Olson.

Others on the same alleged plane included several DOD employees, and also employees of Raytheon, a defense contractor who makes, among other things, the Global Hawk remote control technology which allows passenger jets to be flown remotely.

With Olson being a skilled propagandist for the BCE, it seems like just a list of people that the BCE might want to work for them, if they were about to launch a major propaganda operation to manufacture consent for a global war.

Ted Olson's a slimy lying bastard. But I don't see him continuing to work for an administration that murdered his wife. Therfore, between the passenger list and the physical evidence at the Pentagon site, which proved a plane couldn't have hit the building, I can only conclude that Babs Olson isn't dead.

But at least she's not on TV anymore. And that IS a good thing.


What he said!:D

[Keeyth]

Originally posted by Guitar Shark
Did you even read that snopes article FORD?

Two totally different constructions. The concrete in the Pentagon was actually limestone 2 feet thick. A building "gives" far more, with the glass etc., and the plane was going about twice as fast anyway.

That snopes article is a bunch of crap that doesn't support the very pictures it shows as 'evidence'. It is even harder to believe than Hunt the Boeing, so I don't know what you expect to prove by citing the snopes crap.

[Guitar Shark]

Originally posted by Keeyth
That snopes article is a bunch of crap that doesn't support the very pictures it shows as 'evidence'. It is even harder to believe than Hunt the Boeing, so I don't know what you expect to prove by citing the snopes crap.

Most people consider snopes a respected source... what is your source?

[Warham]

Keeyth's source is FORD.

[Keeyth]

Originally posted by Guitar Shark
Most people consider snopes a respected source... what is your source?

Yeah? Many people consider FOX news a respected source.
Many people (allegedly, albeit electronically) voted for Bush again.
Many people allow themselves to be brainwashed by the media.

My source? Intuition and instinct can tell you more than you think. You need to read between the lines and find the truth and the real answers in all that you read or hear about.

You really think with all the spin doctors employed by the government that you can believe everything you read, just because it's the 'official story'? Are you THAT easy?

[Warham]

Your intuition is suspect.

FOX is more respected than CBS, your network of choice.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Warham
Yeah, that was a mean shot at Nick. I'll just attack Lounge for right now.

WTF? How many threads have I started on this? I debunk this crap better than you could ever dream too buddy boy!:mad:

[Keeyth]

Originally posted by Warham
Keeyth's source is FORD.

Bullshit. My sources are many. FORD is just someone who is well versed in the truth, has a keen instinct at sorting out BCE lies, and also happens to have an even greater ability to tap into his resources at the drop of a hat than I do, since I am on my work computer most of the time when I post here.

[Warham]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
WTF? How many threads have I started on this? I debunk this crap better than you could ever dream too buddy boy!:mad:

Too bad you can't do as good debunking the other crap these liberals post in here.

[Warham]

Originally posted by Keeyth
Bullshit. My sources are many. FORD is just someone who is well versed in the truth, has a keen instinct at sorting out BCE lies, and also happens to have an even greater ability to tap into his resources at the drop of a hat than I do, since I am on my work computer most of the time when I post here.

The fact that you bring up the BCE takes you away from the table of rational reasoning and thought.

[Keeyth]

Originally posted by Warham
Your intuition is suspect.

FOX is more respected than CBS, your network of choice.

You don't even know my network of choice, and it certainly isn't CBS. You are full of empty posts, but you are amusing sometimes. Clueless, but amusing.;)

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Warham
Too bad you can't do as good debunking the other crap these liberals post in here.

You mean like the WMD's in IRAQ?;)

[Warham]

My posts might be empty, but your mind is empty.

[Keeyth]

Originally posted by Warham
The fact that you bring up the BCE takes you away from the table of rational reasoning and thought.

In the simplest of terms:
It has been proven countless times that he stole the 2000 election.
That makes him a Commander in Theif. (among many other things)
A theif is a criminal.
He is trying to build an empire.
To not know this is to be void of rational reasoning and thought.

[Warham]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
You mean like the WMD's in IRAQ?;)

We should take a trip to Syria and look around sometime. What do you say?

[Warham]

Originally posted by Keeyth
In the simplest of terms:
It has been proven countless times that he stole the 2000 election.
That makes him a Commander in Theif. (among many other things)
A theif is a criminal.
He is trying to build an empire.
To not know this is to be void of rational reasoning and thought.

A 'lame duck' president establishing an empire, eh? Wow, what a great job! How many more years does he have left in office before he goes back to Crawford to chop down more wood? Is he going to transfer his 'empire' to Hillary when she's elected in 2008?

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Warham
We should take a trip to Syria and look around sometime. What do you say?

Not according to US intelligence...

[Keeyth]

Originally posted by Warham
My posts might be empty, but your mind is empty.

Obviously not, as you seem to think I'm full of it! :p

Make up your mind. Or is that empty too?

[Warham]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
Not according to US intelligence...

I thought you didn't trust US intelligence?

[Keeyth]

Originally posted by Warham
A 'lame duck' president establishing an empire, eh? Wow, what a great job! How many more years does he have left in office before he goes back to Crawford to chop down more wood? Is he going to transfer his 'empire' to Hillary when she's elected in 2008?

Fool. He is most likely going to do everything possible (illegal or not) to get Jeb or someone equally controllable in the White house come 2008. He's even been trying to get the two term limit abolished. Wake up man. Look around.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Warham
I thought you didn't trust US intelligence?

I don't trust it's momentary leadership. The CIA always had misgivings about WMD's.

[Warham]

Originally posted by Keeyth
Fool. He is most likely going to do everything possible (illegal or not) to get Jeb or someone equally controllable in the White house come 2008. He's even been trying to get the two term limit abolished. Wake up man. Look around.

LMAO!!!

[Warham]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
I don't trust it's momentary leadership. The CIA always had misgivings about WMD's.

You didn't like Tenet, that Clinton leftover?

[Mezro]

Good evening and welcome to Crossfire.

On the right, we have Warham and on the left we have FORD. And I'm your host, H. Ross Perot!

We have the makings of a great show right in this thread folks.

Mezro...and for the record...I vaporized upon impact when I headbutted Karl Rove...

[Keeyth]

Originally posted by Mezro
Good evening and welcome to Crossfire.

On the right, we have Warham and on the left we have FORD. And I'm your host, H. Ross Perot!

We have the makings of a great show right in this thread folks.

Mezro...and for the record...I vaporized upon impact when I headbutted Karl Rove...

Gee thanks Mez! What am I? Chopped liver all of a sudden? :p

[Mezro]

Originally posted by Keeyth
Gee thanks Mez! What am I? Chopped liver all of a sudden? :p

And in the center we have chopped liver:p

Mezro...you already have center stage Brother Keeyth...what more do you need?...:cool:

[diamondD]

He could use a clue or two... ;)


You can't argue facts with Keeyth's intuition. He's the guy that thinks those planes couldn't have been hijacked because there were deadly women's purses on board for the passengers to use.

[Keeyth]

Well, at least you're listening and learning diamondD...:p

[diamondD]

I've learned you can't argue with the tin foil crowd because the facts can't overcome their loss of reality.

You post stuff I'm sure that even makes FORD shake his head.

[FORD]

Originally posted by diamondD
He could use a clue or two... ;)


You can't argue facts with Keeyth's intuition. He's the guy that thinks those planes couldn't have been hijacked because there were deadly women's purses on board for the passengers to use.

Now even you will have to admit that many women's purses would make a much more lethal weapon than a mere boxcutter.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by FORD
Now even you will have to admit that many women's purses would make a much more lethal weapon than a mere boxcutter.

But the threat of a bomb in the hold is the most potent threat of all.

[academic punk]

Originally posted by FORD
Now even you will have to admit that many women's purses would make a much more lethal weapon than a mere boxcutter.

To hell with the purses! If any of the women I've dated had been on those planes, not only would those hi-jackers have gotten thier asses kicked inside-out (or at the least they'd've been nagged to death), they never ever would've gone into those buildings.

Nope. Those planes would've suddenly made a sharp turn north and headed away from downtown NYC straight to midtown, making a perfect four point landing right in front of Bloomingdale's!!!

[academic punk]

And somehow they'd have my American Express number handy, and proceed to use it as a Weapon of my Credit Rating's Destruction...

[Baby's On Fire]

IT WAS A FUCKING PLANE. END OF STORY.

[BigBadBrian]

Originally posted by Baby's On Fire
IT WAS A FUCKING PLANE. END OF STORY.

End of story? We wished.

:gulp:

[Warham]

Not if FORD has anything to say about it.

Oh yeah, throw Blueturk in as one of the loons who believes this kind of tripe.

[FORD]

Originally posted by Baby's On Fire
IT WAS A FUCKING PLANE. END OF STORY.

Why is a Canadian buying BCE propaganda? :confused:

[Warham]

Originally posted by FORD
Why is a Canadian buying BCE propaganda? :confused:

Common sense perhaps?

Enter stage right.

;)

[Baby's On Fire]

Originally posted by FORD
Why is a Canadian buying BCE propaganda? :confused:

I buy my own propaganda...................as well as the hundreds of fucking witnesses who SAW the plane.

Unless they were part of the big conspiracy. No wait, there were no sand ******s attacking the US, just BCE guys in costumes, right?

[FORD]

Kinda funny how we get another one from Ontario right after we exposed Gay-wapo and his sock puppet alias, isn't it?

I suggest we keep an eye on this fucker....... Where's Rikk? ;)

[FORD]

Originally posted by Baby's On Fire
I buy my own propaganda...................as well as the hundreds of fucking witnesses who SAW the plane.

Unless they were part of the big conspiracy. No wait, there were no sand ******s attacking the US, just BCE guys in costumes, right?

First of all, cut the racist shit if you want your posts to remain in this forum.

Now aside from that, the official BCE story has many major holes in it. Several people here, myself included, have documented these discrepancies well, and you can find those threads with the search engine on this website. I'd also recommend doing your own research with Google.

Better yet, get a copy of the documentary "911 in Plane Site". While the right wingers try to dismiss it as "conspiracy spin" based on the title alone, it is nothing of the kind. The majority of the film is made up of actual news footage shown live on TV, as events happenned on 9-11-01.

Most of this footage has never been seen on TV since, because it would knock giant holes in the government's "official story".

Don't accept what they tell you. They told you there WMD's in Iraq too. Remember that?

[LoungeMachine]

1] Rummy also referred last year while speaking to troops in Iraq to the "plane that was shot down over Pennsylvania".....so we don't know if these are slip ups, or just the addled mind of a fucking lunatic.

2] I don't believe for one moment that a BOEING JET hit the pentagon, and like FORD said, if you go back and watch and read the archives, no witnesses said they saw a commercial airliner.

3] A plane of some sort may have hit it, or it could have been a missle, but I'll be damned if I'll take THIS administration at it's word.

4] Why have the security videos that the FBI confiscated never been shown? How could a Boeing Jet hitting the Pentagon be classified as National Security?


We don't know the truth, and ANYONE in here who claims to know THE WHOLE TRUTH about what happened that day is full of shit.

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by FORD



Better yet, get a copy of the documentary "911 in Plane Site". While the right wingers try to dismiss it as "conspiracy spin" based on the title alone, it is nothing of the kind. The majority of the film is made up of actual news footage shown live on TV, as events happenned on 9-11-01.

Most of this footage has never been seen on TV since, because it would knock giant holes in the government's "official story".


I'd love for one of the kool-ade drinkers in here to watch the footage and explain to us what that large oblong device is that was strapped to the bottom of one of the jets to hit the WTC

Going back and actually listening and watching what unfolded that day is a real eye opening experience.

WE HAVE NOT BEEN TOLD THE TRUTH

[diamondD]

I wouldn't be a bit surprised to find out that plane was shot down over PA. And if they had said it from day one, I wouldn't have been shocked or complained. Those people were going to die and all it did was prevent more useless deaths.


If there were BSCE operatives on board, why was it shot down and not allowed to complete it's mission?

There must have been some crazy women on there swinging some mean purses! :rolleyes:

[Baby's On Fire]

Originally posted by FORD
First of all, cut the racist shit if you want your posts to remain in this forum.

Now aside from that, the official BCE story has many major holes in it. Several people here, myself included, have documented these discrepancies well, and you can find those threads with the search engine on this website. I'd also recommend doing your own research with Google.

Better yet, get a copy of the documentary "911 in Plane Site". While the right wingers try to dismiss it as "conspiracy spin" based on the title alone, it is nothing of the kind. The majority of the film is made up of actual news footage shown live on TV, as events happenned on 9-11-01.

Most of this footage has never been seen on TV since, because it would knock giant holes in the government's "official story".

Don't accept what they tell you. They told you there WMD's in Iraq too. Remember that?

Fuck off you SAND ****** LOVING TRAITOR.

You're even sicker than the fucking terrorists; a symptathizer is worse because they suppor it, but leave it to others to do the dirty work.

It's okay to accuse people of mass-murder-conspiracy, but it's not okay to call terrorists (and other Muslin radicals) the sand nigers that they are.

Not only are you a traitor and terrorist supporter, you're also a hypocrite.

[Baby's On Fire]

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
1] Rummy also referred last year while speaking to troops in Iraq to the "plane that was shot down over Pennsylvania".....so we don't know if these are slip ups, or just the addled mind of a fucking lunatic.

2] I don't believe for one moment that a BOEING JET hit the pentagon, and like FORD said, if you go back and watch and read the archives, no witnesses said they saw a commercial airliner.

3] A plane of some sort may have hit it, or it could have been a missle, but I'll be damned if I'll take THIS administration at it's word.

4] Why have the security videos that the FBI confiscated never been shown? How could a Boeing Jet hitting the Pentagon be classified as National Security?


We don't know the truth, and ANYONE in here who claims to know THE WHOLE TRUTH about what happened that day is full of shit.

I will agree MOORE'S film was interesting, and I will agree that the BCE and Bush are lying, eveil pieces of shit.

BUT this doesn't mean there is a conspiracy about a plane hitting the Pentagon. A fucking plane hit the Pentagon. Witnesses DID see it; just because Michael Moore "interviews" three people who didn't see a "Boeing" plane, doesn't mean it didn;t happen.

LOTS OF PEOPLE SAW IT.

Let's not forget about the hundred or so people who vanished with the plane, famous people included. Oh wait, I forgot, they're ALL in on the conspiracy and decided to alter their lives forever (and that of their families) because they believe in BUSH and his conspiracy so much.

As for, IRAQ, I agree 100 percent that WAS a conspiracy. But all conspiracies are not alike, nor are all consoiracies feasible or even possible. The plane being one of them.

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by Baby's On Fire
Fuck off you SAND ****** LOVING TRAITOR.

You're even sicker than the fucking terrorists; a symptathizer is worse because they suppor it, but leave it to others to do the dirty work.

It's okay to accuse people of mass-murder-conspiracy, but it's not okay to call terrorists (and other Muslin radicals) the sand nigers that they are.

Not only are you a traitor and terrorist supporter, you're also a hypocrite.

I'd say ban this piece of shit, but in reality it'll be fun watching him/her make a complete fool of him/herself.

Give 'em enough rope, they'll do it everytime.

I hope you enjoy watching your own posts / threads get turned around against you, mensa......

moron

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by diamondD
I wouldn't be a bit surprised to find out that plane was shot down over PA. And if they had said it from day one, I wouldn't have been shocked or complained. Those people were going to die and all it did was prevent more useless deaths.



Something we agree on 100%




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[Baby's On Fire]

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
I'd say ban this piece of shit, but in reality it'll be fun watching him/her make a complete fool of him/herself.

Give 'em enough rope, they'll do it everytime.

I hope you enjoy watching your own posts / threads get turned around against you, mensa......

moron
FORD has been a terrorist sympathizer from day one; you weren't around at that time, so I suggest you shut your mouth. Everyone on here who was a member at that time knows FORD's sentiments.

The guy is a lunatic, paranoid traitor against his country. His only saving quality is that he knows what a scumbag BUSH is.

[Baby's On Fire]

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
Something we agree on 100%




:cool:

THE PLANE HIT THE PENTAGON. It flew over the freeway where LOTS of people saw it. Parts of it were in the rubble, and it hit the ground just outside the wall before hitting the wall itself, which is obvious enough due to the low height of the building.

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by Baby's On Fire
FORD has been a terrorist sympathizer from day one; you weren't around at that time, so I suggest you shut your mouth.

I'm sure even a dolt like yourself can figure out what you can do with your "suggestion"

Or you can find a way to shut it for me.

In the meantime, I'll continue to tell you what an ignorant piece of shit you are. Don't like it, tough shit.

M'kay??

[Baby's On Fire]

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
I'm sure even a dolt like yourself can figure out what you can do with your "suggestion"

Or you can find a way to shut it for me.

In the meantime, I'll continue to tell you what an ignorant piece of shit you are. Don't like it, tough shit.

M'kay??

Yes I'm ignorant. That's why you and FORD think there was some enormous conspiracy, including hundreds of people and their families involved in an irreversible, life-shattering decision to underground, never again able to speak with family or freinds, or show their face in public, ever again.

And to top it off, not ONE of them has changed their minds.....they're all hiding with Osama Bin Laden in a cave.

And by the way, it is PROVEN that some of the passengers called their love dones as the plane neared Washington, DC.............AFTER it had already passed PA.

Not to mention all the witnesses who SAW THE PLANE.

Yeah I'm the ignorant one. You must be plain old stupid.

[FORD]

Originally posted by Baby's On Fire
FORD has been a terrorist sympathizer from day one; you weren't around at that time, so I suggest you shut your mouth. Everyone on here who was a member at that time knows FORD's sentiments.

The guy is a lunatic, paranoid traitor against his country. His only saving quality is that he knows what a scumbag BUSH is.

This proves what a goddamned MORON you are.

You agree with me that the BCE are pieces of shit, yet you say that me saying the BCE are pieces of shit makes me a "terrorist sympathizer"

How exactly does that work, Mr. Short Bus?

Fact is that I'm a patriotic American who is sick of watching these fascist pricks destroy my country.

Just wait... eventually Diebold will find their way into Canada and then you'll get stuck with a BC-eh of your very own.

And then when you oppose them and every last fucking lie that they tell you, you'll be a "terrorist sympathizer" too.

[Baby's On Fire]

Originally posted by FORD
This proves what a goddamned MORON you are.

You agree with me that the BCE are pieces of shit, yet you say that me saying the BCE are pieces of shit makes me a "terrorist sympathizer"

How exactly does that work, Mr. Short Bus?

Fact is that I'm a patriotic American who is sick of watching these fascist pricks destroy my country.

Just wait... eventually Diebold will find their way into Canada and then you'll get stuck with a BC-eh of your very own.

And then when you oppose them and every last fucking lie that they tell you, you'll be a "terrorist sympathizer" too.
First off, you are WAY BEYOND a Bush-basher or a BCE hater.

I despiose BUSH, his father, and most Republican right-wing view points. I am not American but still have my opinion, and also those policies affect the World. e all have a right to weigh in.

You go beyond that to equate EVERYTHING to BUSH and The Republicans, and you give OSama Bin laden a free pass. Every time someone points out what a piece of shit Osama Bin laden is (as well as his folowers), you reply "well the Reagan, Bush Sr. and the CIA created OSama Bin Laden.

NO THEY DID NOT. Muslin INSANITY combined with the RUSSIANS created Osama Bin laden. The United States is only his excuse to murder after the Russians were defeated in Afghanistan.

If it wasn't the American Government, it would be another fucking EXCUSE by these Muslim-right-wing pieces of shit who believe ALL "non-believers" must die.

PROVEN IN THE KORAN ITSELF. Anyone who says the Koran does not advocate murder is LYING.

So yes, BUSH is scum, his father is scum, Rumsfeld is sxum, the BCE EXISTS (I agree) and is scum.. All of them expect Colin Powell who had the balls to QUIT (ie not re-accept his post).

THIS DOES NOT MEAN EVERYTHING IS A CONSPIRACY.

The 911 conspiracy existed in the form of those merderous pieces of shit and all the other "believers".

Was there a post-911 conspracy? YOU BET THERE IS. I agree 100 percent. Fuck-ups had to be hidden. Fuck-ups which in combination with these fucking SAND ******S (yes I will call them that because that is what they are) caused these deaths.

Did BUSH STEAL the election? YES HE DID. But this does not mean they conspired to fly planes into buildings and balme Arabs for it.

And by the way, the use of the term Sand ****** is NOT racist. These pieces of shit who share those beliefs 9and I'm aware that not all of them do) don't deserve to be classified human beings.

And this includes those pieces of shit cheering in the streets afterwards, whetehr they participated in the crime itself or not.

[FORD]

Originally posted by Baby's On Fire
First off, you are WAY BEYOND a Bush-basher or a BCE hater.

I despiose BUSH, his father, and most Republican right-wing view points. I am not American but still have my opinion, and also those policies affect the World. e all have a right to weigh in.

Absolutely true.

You go beyond that to equate EVERYTHING to BUSH and The Republicans, and you give OSama Bin laden a free pass. Every time someone points out what a piece of shit Osama Bin laden is (as well as his folowers), you reply "well the Reagan, Bush Sr. and the CIA created OSama Bin Laden.

NO THEY DID NOT. Muslin INSANITY combined with the RUSSIANS created Osama Bin laden. The United States is only his excuse to murder after the Russians were defeated in Afghanistan.

It is a fact that Osama Bin Laden was once a CIA operative who used the name "Tim Osman". It is also a fact that the Bin Laden family have been business partners with the BCE for decades. And it is a fact that George Bush Sr handpicked Osama as the CIA's leader of the Mujahadeen which fought the Russians in Afghanistan. As for Osama's "excuse to murder" there's three possibilities....

1) According to the man himself, he declared jihad on America when US troops began to occupy Muslim holy lands in Saudi Arabia.

2) Osama's older brother, Salem Bin Laden financed Junior's first oil company, Arbusto Energy. In 1988, the Securities and Exchange commission was looking into Junior's business history (he's failed at every business his dad ever bought him) and it seems that poor Salem, an experienced pilot, suddenly decided to fly into high voltage power lines upon takeoff from a Texas airport. Could Osama hold the Bushes responsible for his brother's death? It's certainly possible.

3) The third possiblity, and admittedly the ugliest, is that Bin Laden never ceased to be a BCE/CIA employee. It was widely reported in the wake of the 9-11 attacks that a CIA station chief met with Bin Laden in the summer of 2001while he was hospitalized in Dubai, presumably for his long reported kidney problems. Now if a law enforcement agent is in the presence of a most wanted criminal & terrorist, especially in a weakened state, it would be easy to smother the bastard with a pillow, unplug his IV's, shoot him up with untraceable drugs or at the very least, arrange for a police/military guard around his hospital room and take his ass into custody when he's well enough.

The station chief did none of these things. So if he didn't want Bin Laden dead or in custody, it's reasonable to assume the CIA had a purpose for him to be at large. Maybe the chief was giving him a new job assignment

If it wasn't the American Government, it would be another fucking EXCUSE by these Muslim-right-wing pieces of shit who believe ALL "non-believers" must die.

Just like the "Christian" right wing pieces of shit?

PROVEN IN THE KORAN ITSELF. Anyone who says the Koran does not advocate murder is LYING.

Got a chapter and verse on that, or are you just repeating what you heard on some hate radio show?

So yes, BUSH is scum, his father is scum, Rumsfeld is sxum, the BCE EXISTS (I agree) and is scum.. All of them expect Colin Powell who had the balls to QUIT (ie not re-accept his post).

I don't let Powell off that easy. He's the one who sold the lie to the UN.

THIS DOES NOT MEAN EVERYTHING IS A CONSPIRACY.

Nope. 19 guys with box cutters, controlled by a feeble man on dialysis. Nothing conspiratorial about that at all...

The 911 conspiracy existed in the form of those merderous pieces of shit and all the other "believers".

Was there a post-911 conspracy? YOU BET THERE IS. I agree 100 percent. Fuck-ups had to be hidden. Fuck-ups which in combination with these fucking SAND ******S (yes I will call them that because that is what they are) caused these deaths.

Does that make the BCE "sand crackers" for killing 100,000 Iraqi civilians without cause?

Did BUSH STEAL the election? YES HE DID. But this does not mean they conspired to fly planes into buildings and balme Arabs for it.

No, but the fact that the PNAC agenda calls for a "new Pearl Harbor" in order to begin a war for global fascism just might mean exactly that.

And by the way, the use of the term Sand ****** is NOT racist. These pieces of shit who share those beliefs 9and I'm aware that not all of them do) don't deserve to be classified human beings.

You seem comfortable with calling them "pieces of shit". Why not leave it at that, and leave race out of it?

And this includes those pieces of shit cheering in the streets afterwards, whetehr they participated in the crime itself or not.

Actually, that was old file footage of Palestinians celebrating the every day battle against Israel, and had nothing to do with 9-11. FAUX News ran it first, for the pure propaganda value, and then other networks picked it up from the FAUX feed, not realizing it was canned footage. Rupert Murdoch just built a house in Israel. Do the math.

Or do the meth, in your case, because you seem about as out there as JKook.

[Baby's On Fire]

The fact that Christian Right-wingers are pieces of shit is irrelevant. Just with that one "retort" (for lack of a better description), YOU PROVED MY POINT:

ONCE AGAIN YOU ARE MAKING EXCUSES FOR BIN LADEN. Pointing out others as pieces of shit to gloss-over the fact that Bin Laden is a piece of shit. Not ONCE do yuo blame him or denounce him as a maniac and a Muslim-extremist piece of shit.

Your three "reasons" are not the case: HE IS A MURDEROUS MUSLIM EXTREMIST. He will kill ANYONE who is not a "believer" just because they are non-believers. PERIOD. Bush, Reagan, the CIA, have NOTHING to do with his beliefs. It's amuisng you cite "the man himself"

UN-FUCKING-BELIEVABLE. So we should believe Osam Bin laden. he's an honest, honourable "man" is he? IT'S AN EXCUSE. HE's a murdering Muslim-extemist piece of shit. THAT'S the rason.

And yes, the Kora DOES advocate the murder of "all non-believrs (Muslims). PERIOD.

Before you post something you're clueles about, try researching it first. Set aside your time from your conspiracy investigations and look at some other facts.

But thanks for proving my points.

[FORD]

Originally posted by Baby's On Fire
The fact that Christian Right-wingers are pieces of shit is irrelevant. Just with that one "retort" (for lack of a better description), YOU PROVED MY POINT:

ONCE AGAIN YOU ARE MAKING EXCUSES FOR BIN LADEN. Pointing out others as pieces of shit to gloss-over the fact that Bin Laden is a piece of shit. Not ONCE do yuo blame him or denounce him as a maniac and a Muslim-extremist piece of shit.

I ain't making excuses for SHIT, dumbass. If you want to know what Bin Laden's motives are, look at all available information. Certainly his own words about what prompted his anger at America are relative to his motives. It has nothing to do with "excusing" his actions. If I were to show you John Wilkes Booth's diary from February 1865 and it said something like "I hate this war. Them goddamn Yankees killed my whole family, and that son of a bitch Lincoln deserves to die for it", does that mean I'm justifying the assassination of Abraham fucking Lincoln??

Fuck no. It means I'm trying to find the motive, in the words of the criminal who committed the act. BTW, the above example is fictional. If Booth wrote something, I've never read it. But the principle applies to Osama Bin Laden's motives.

Your three "reasons" are not the case: HE IS A MURDEROUS MUSLIM EXTREMIST. He will kill ANYONE who is not a "believer" just because they are non-believers. PERIOD. Bush, Reagan, the CIA, have NOTHING to do with his beliefs. It's amuisng you cite "the man himself"

UN-FUCKING-BELIEVABLE. So we should believe Osam Bin laden. he's an honest, honourable "man" is he? IT'S AN EXCUSE. HE's a murdering Muslim-extemist piece of shit. THAT'S the rason.

Put down the crack pipe, and turn the dial on the radio station. The propaganda's taking over. Who the fuck said Bin Laden was "honourable"?? He probably is honest though. Lying isn't looked upon too well in the Muslim faith. Nor should it be in the Christian religion or any others. But obviously nobody told that to the Chimp.

And yes, the Kora DOES advocate the murder of "all non-believrs (Muslims). PERIOD.

As I said... put up or shut up.

Before you post something you're clueles about, try researching it first. Set aside your time from your conspiracy investigations and look at some other facts.

But thanks for proving my points.

Shit.... even the most committed Busheep here can't argue that I don't do my research. They might not like it, and they don't agree with it, but they know I won't post it here until I've checked it out. If I present something as "fact", that means I've seen it at at least three reliable sources which admittedly are harder to find in the age of the corporatist media. You really need to thank God you have CBC up there.

[diamondD]

Honest men don't kill over 3000 innocent people FORD, no matter how you spin it.

[Baby's On Fire]

Originally posted by diamondD
Honest men don't kill over 3000 innocent people FORD, no matter how you spin it.

BINGO!

What FORD fails to realize (or constantly ignores), is that Osama Bin Asshle's motives have nothing to do with Bush.....or Reagan......or the CIA.

He's simply a fucking extremist ASSHOLE.

Sure, he was trained by the CIA....and armed by the CIA.............but there's no conenction to his motives.

If the US pulled out of Arabia right now, there would be no difference. I think it would fuel these pukes even more to know they can get what they want through terror.

And as for the Koran issue FORD..............research or read it yourself. Do you expect me to recite it to you?

You can separate BUSH from Bin Laden.....o matter how you dissect it, it isn't Bush'sm fault.....as much of a lowlife as Bush may be.

[FORD]

And I suppose you think it's just a coincidence that the guy who shot Reagan was a BCE family friend (just like Osama)

Osama may have acted according to his own plans, or he may have still been on the BCE payroll. There's really no way to answer that conclusively either way. But the undeniable truth is that Al Qaeda, just like Hitler's 3rd reich, would have never existed without help from the BCE.

[Unchainme]

In 25 years or so we will know what really happened that day, You can kinda judge it right now, But not really, Something will pop up, And History will either like back kindly on Bush or will it will lok back on him very badly. I still truly don't want to judge the whole issue right now, I'm still leaning towards that it was a Terriost attacked, But I might not be saying that in couple of years.

[Unchainme]

Originally posted by FORD
And I suppose you think it's just a coincidence that the guy who shot Reagan was a BCE family friend (just like Osama)


????? You lost me on that one FORD, Explanation please.

[FORD]

Originally posted by Unchainme
????? You lost me on that one FORD, Explanation please.

You didn't know that the Hinckley family (like the Bin Laden's) were old oil business partners of the BCE?

On the very day of the attempted hit on Reagan, Neil Bush was going to have dinner at Hinckley's brothers house. They cancelled their dinner party given the "mutual" family tragedy.

[Unchainme]

Originally posted by FORD
You didn't know that the Hinckley family (like the Bin Laden's) were old oil business partners of the BCE?

On the very day of the attempted hit on Reagan, Neil Bush was going to have dinner at Hinckley's brothers house. They cancelled their dinner party given the "mutual" family tragedy.

Why would he shot reagan than, If Reagan was a part of the BCE?

[FORD]

Originally posted by Unchainme
Why would he shot reagan than, If Reagan was a part of the BCE?

Basically, Poppy Bush hijacked the Reagan campaign after his own run in 1980 failed. Most of the Reagan Bush cabinet were Poppy's guys. Only Don Regan was a Reagan loyalist from his days in California.

Poppy probably figured that a 70 year old man would be easy enough to control, and that Reagan could just be a puppet out front (much like Junior is today)

Word is though that Reagan didn't exactly play along. At least before the Alzheimer's disease kicked in, he legitimately wanted to be President, even though he was hopelessly outnumbered in his own White House by the BCE.

So either Poppy wanted Reagan dead and Hinckley was a lousy shot, or Bush just wanted to "send a message". So while the oldest President in history survived his term (and then some) he didn't challenge the BCE again.

Did Reagan ever know who ordered the hit? Who knows. But I get the feeling Nancy did. Ron Jr too.

[MAX]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
I guess the Valujet Fl109 crash 'never happened' either...

There ARE PLENTY OF QUESTIONS as to what happened on 9/11, and perhaps why it was allowed to happen, but you guys are completely misdirecting the effort at reaching the truth.

Nice post Nick. :)

[Phil theStalker]

Originally posted by Baby's On Fire
Yes I'm ignorant. That's why you and FORD think there was some enormous conspiracy, including hundreds of people and their families involved in an irreversible, life-shattering decision to underground, never again able to speak with family or freinds, or show their face in public, ever again.

And to top it off, not ONE of them has changed their minds.....they're all hiding with Osama Bin Laden in a cave.

And by the way, it is PROVEN that some of the passengers called their love dones as the plane neared Washington, DC.............AFTER it had already passed PA.

Not to mention all the witnesses who SAW THE PLANE.

Yeah I'm the ignorant one. You must be plain old stupid.
Look, those hundreds of people in those planes are dead, man. And not from their planes crashing into buildings either.

Col. Donn de Grand-Pre said in an interview with Alex Jones that NORAD watched the planes go out over the Atlantic. And, that's all she wrote.

It won't be long before the military takes over from the civilians and the military "decapitates the civilian heirarchy," Col. Donn de Grand-Pre said.

Not only did I hear him say it live, I was taping it and I saw Alex Jones remove the comment from his transcripts, and where the Col. says this the transcripts read "crosstalk." Yeh, right Jones, you lying, scared sack of shit.
www.prisonplanet.com/022904degrand.html


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[Unchainme]

Originally posted by FORD
Basically, Poppy Bush hijacked the Reagan campaign after his own run in 1980 failed. Most of the Reagan Bush cabinet were Poppy's guys. Only Don Regan was a Reagan loyalist from his days in California.

Poppy probably figured that a 70 year old man would be easy enough to control, and that Reagan could just be a puppet out front (much like Junior is today)

Word is though that Reagan didn't exactly play along. At least before the Alzheimer's disease kicked in, he legitimately wanted to be President, even though he was hopelessly outnumbered in his own White House by the BCE.

So either Poppy wanted Reagan dead and Hinckley was a lousy shot, or Bush just wanted to "send a message". So while the oldest President in history survived his term (and then some) he didn't challenge the BCE again.

Did Reagan ever know who ordered the hit? Who knows. But I get the feeling Nancy did. Ron Jr too.

Hmmm, Intresting Theory. FORD You have got to be the Smartest Guy on these Boards, I got hand it to you, You really do your research, its almost damn near impossible on some of these things.

[Phil theStalker]

Yeh, you want us to know, but you don't want us to know too much, do ya, Jones?!

It was as clear as a bell. Col. Donn de Grand-Pre said, "When the military moves, it will move to decapitate the civilain hierarchy."

Jones posted transcript says it's "crosstalk" there.

Yeh, Jones, don't let us know too much, boy.

It could be dangerous.


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[Phil theStalker]

Originally posted by Unchainme
Hmmm, Intresting Theory. FORD You have got to be the Smartest Guy on these Boards, I got hand it to you, You really do your research, its almost damn near impossible on some of these things.
Ron, Jr. knows.

Ron, Jr. knows

RON, JR. KNOWS!


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[Phil theStalker]

Here's how the Jone's transcript reads:

DGP (Donn de Grand-Pre): "Well, this will come. It's going to be in the form of a counter-coup d'tat. You understand that a coup d'tat was pulled on September 11th by the civilian hierarchy. [crosstalk] Say again?

Wayne: "God Grant that it would come soon."

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Here's how the transcript should read and what was actually said:

DGP: "Well, this will come. It's going to be in the form of a counter-coup d'tat. You understand that a coup d'tat was pulled on September 11th by the civilian hierarchy. When the military moves, it will move to decapitate the civilian hierarchy." (sic) Say again?

Wayne: "God grant that it would come soon."


Do you kind of get the gist of what is being discussed here?

Revolution.

So Jones hopes you didn't hear it now and Jones hopes you don't read it, too.

As of this "crosstalk" cover-up, don't trust Jones anymore. I haven't since then. It's shocking the way the most important sentence in the whole interview was "crosstalk" when I have it on tape and the Col. speaks it as clear as a bell.
www.prisonplanet.com/022904degrand.html


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[Warham]

Ron Jr. knows? LMAO!

Now that is the funniest thing I've read in this whole thread.

[ashstralia]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
Well, after hitting a reinforced concrete structure with rhubarb mesh wire and kevlar blast screens at nearly 400mph, I really can't fathom as to why the entire plane isn't completely intact and ready to fly out of there:rolleyes:.

ha! that cracked me up, nick.

did you all notice that after the recent tragic plane crash

in greece, on a wooded hillside, the only recognisable piece

of aircraft was the tail section? and it was not flown full throttle

into an immovable object. the simple fact is, a jet plane IS a flying bomb.

:(

[ashstralia]

Originally posted by FORD
Rupert Murdoch just built a house in Israel. Do the math.

is this true, ford?

lachlan just retired from the company, and moved back to sydney.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Phil theStalker
Look, those hundreds of people in those planes are dead, man. And not from their planes crashing into buildings either.

Col. Donn de Grand-Pre said in an interview with Alex Jones that NORAD watched the planes go out over the Atlantic. And, that's all she wrote.
...

www.prisonplanet.com/022904degrand.html


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NORAD is a big place PHIL, filled with people of all ranks and backgrounds. In fact, it's current commander is a CANADIAN FORCES General I believe...

Did anybody else notice the planes going out over the Atlantic Ocean? You know, like people who were actually there?

[Phil theStalker]

Originally posted by Warham
Ron Jr. knows? LMAO!

Now that is the funniest thing I've read in this whole thread.
Hey,

Ron, Jr. knows.


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[Phil theStalker]

Originally posted by ashstralia
is this true, ford?

lachlan just retired from the company, and moved back to sydney. Everybody's moving out of the U.S. if they can.

And the mighty U.S. military is in Iraq right now for Israel, too. However, due to lack of popular support from the American people for such a reason for the war it isn't promoted from the White House or promoted on the media.


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[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by ashstralia
ha! that cracked me up, nick.

did you all notice that after the recent tragic plane crash

in greece, on a wooded hillside, the only recognisable piece

of aircraft was the tail section? and it was not flown full throttle

into an immovable object. the simple fact is, a jet plane IS a flying bomb.

:(

I've actually have seen small jets crash close up and in person. After that fireball erupts of burning jet fuel, there is not going to be a whole lot of aluminum fuselage left. And these were aircraft falling straight down, not powered and streaking forward like a "missile" (after a collision of two US Navy BLUE ANGELs, A-4 Skyhawks:()

I saw the craters a couple of days later on the local news, I can tell you those planes did indeed crash...

[Warham]

Ron Jr. knows shit.

He 'knew' Kerry would win last year. He said so on MSNBC.

[Phil theStalker]

Originally posted by ashstralia
is this true, ford?

lachlan just retired from the company, and moved back to sydney. Everybody's moving out of the U.S. if they can.

And the mighty U.S. military is in Iraq right now for Israel, too. However, due to lack of popular support from the American people for such a reason for the war it isn't promoted from the White House or promoted on the media.


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[Phil theStalker]

Originally posted by Warham
Ron Jr. knows shit.

He 'knew' Kerry would win last year. He said so on MSNBC.
Look, I didn't say he had hard evidence for a prosecutor -- if he could find an honest one to touch it.

I simply said that he knows.:rolleyes:

C'mon Warham, don't be so weird, you're not a bad guy.


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[ashstralia]

Originally posted by Phil theStalker
Look, those hundreds of people in those planes are dead, man. And not from their planes crashing into buildings either.

Col. Donn de Grand-Pre said in an interview with Alex Jones that NORAD watched the planes go out over the Atlantic. And, that's all she wrote.

It won't be long before the military takes over from the civilians and the military "decapitates the civilian heirarchy," Col. Donn de Grand-Pre said.

Not only did I hear him say it live, I was taping it and I saw Alex Jones remove the comment from his transcripts, and where the Col. says this the transcripts read "crosstalk." Yeh, right Jones, you lying, scared sack of shit.



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are you ok, phil?

i dititn't unn3rstand a w9rd aff dat :)

[Phil theStalker]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
NORAD is a big place PHIL, filled with people of all ranks and backgrounds. In fact, it's current commander is a CANADIAN FORCES General I believe...

Did anybody else notice the planes going out over the Atlantic Ocean? You know, like people who were actually there?
I know about your concern, Nickdfresh.

You'd have to ask that question to Col. Donn de Grand-Pre. He's the shit stirrer on this one.


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[Phil theStalker]

Originally posted by ashstralia
are you ok, phil?

i dititn't unn3rstand a w9rd aff dat :)

"Crosstalk.":D


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[Keeyth]

Originally posted by diamondD
Honest men don't kill over 3000 innocent people FORD, no matter how you spin it.

Well, then WHY didn't he take credit for it?? You've seen how these Musilm extremists are when they do something. They put it all over Al-Jazeera TV, they make demands, they take the credit for what they are doing to show the infidels they mean business.

bin Laden never took credit for it. He never made any demands, at least not until he was blamed for the whole thing. How do we really KNOW who was behind this? Whoever the BCE tells us is? I'm just not that gullible, sorry.

Oh, and here's a theory on a lot of your questions, Baby's on Fire and diamondD:
http://www.serendipity.li/wot/valentine.htm

[Warham]

Slick Willy is responsible for all this.

;)

[Keeyth]

Hmmm...

[Warham]

Hmmm is right!

No wonder Burger shredded all those documents he stole, eh?

[Keeyth]

;) O.K. sure...

[Warham]

You seem surprised?

You remember that story about Sandy Burgler taking those documents by 'accident' right?

[Warham]

...

[Keeyth]

Yeah, but I don't think that makes Clinton responsible for this anywhere near what Bush is...

[diamondD]

Originally posted by Keeyth
Well, then WHY didn't he take credit for it?? You've seen how these Musilm extremists are when they do something. They put it all over Al-Jazeera TV, they make demands, they take the credit for what they are doing to show the infidels they mean business.

bin Laden never took credit for it. He never made any demands, at least not until he was blamed for the whole thing. How do we really KNOW who was behind this? Whoever the BCE tells us is? I'm just not that gullible, sorry.

Oh, and here's a theory on a lot of your questions, Baby's on Fire and diamondD:
http://www.serendipity.li/wot/valentine.htm

No, it's a stupid theory. That's where you got your "purses" theory? :rolleyes:

http://www.serendipity.li/wot/gh1.gif

That plane looks nothing like the ones that hit the WTC. And if you think it would be hard for a pilot to make that turn into the Pentagon, how hard would it be to do it remotely?

Nice fodder for the tin foil crowd for sure.

[Keeyth]

Originally posted by diamondD
No, it's a stupid theory. That's where you got your "purses" theory? :rolleyes:

http://www.serendipity.li/wot/gh1.gif

That plane looks nothing like the ones that hit the WTC. And if you think it would be hard for a pilot to make that turn into the Pentagon, how hard would it be to do it remotely?

Nice fodder for the tin foil crowd for sure.

O.K. diamondDuncecap, what the plane looks like is irrelevant. The point is the technology is out there to have put it into any plane.

It explains things a lot better than the "official story" does.

So... ...what the plane looks like is why you discount the theory???? :rolleyes:

[Keeyth]

Originally posted by diamondD
No, it's a stupid theory. That's where you got your "purses" theory? :rolleyes:

http://www.serendipity.li/wot/gh1.gif

That plane looks nothing like the ones that hit the WTC. And if you think it would be hard for a pilot to make that turn into the Pentagon, how hard would it be to do it remotely?



YOU said a plane hit the Pentagon, I didn't.

[Warham]

I think Clinton planned the whole thing out personally.

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by Warham
You seem surprised?

You remember that story about Sandy Burgler taking those documents by 'accident' right?

Get your facts straight, Gump.

:rolleyes:

[Warham]

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
Get your facts straight, Gump.

:rolleyes:

You tell me how it went down then, tree hugger.

[Warham]

AP: Clinton Adviser Probed in Terror Memos

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By JOHN SOLOMON

WASHINGTON - President Clinton (news - web sites)'s national security adviser, Sandy Berger, is the focus of a criminal investigation after admitting he removed highly classified terrorism documents from a secure reading room during preparations for the Sept. 11 commission hearings, The Associated Press has learned.

Berger's home and office were searched earlier this year by FBI (news - web sites) agents armed with warrants. Some drafts of a sensitive after-action report on the Clinton administration's handling of al-Qaida terror threats during the December 1999 millennium celebration are still missing.

Berger and his lawyer said Monday night he knowingly removed handwritten notes he had taken from classified anti-terror documents he reviewed at the National Archives by sticking them in his jacket and pants. He also inadvertently took copies of actual classified documents in a leather portfolio, they said.

"I deeply regret the sloppiness involved, but I had no intention of withholding documents from the commission, and to the contrary, to my knowledge, every document requested by the commission from the Clinton administration was produced," Berger said in a statement to the AP.

Berger served as Clinton's national security adviser for all of the president's second term and most recently has been informally advising Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry (news - web sites). Clinton asked Berger last year to review and select the administration documents that would be turned over to the commission.

The FBI searched Berger's home and office with warrants earlier this year after employees of the National Archives told agents they believed they witnessed Berger put documents into his clothing while reviewing sensitive Clinton administration papers, officials said.

When asked, Berger said he returned some of the classified documents, which he found in his office, and all of the handwritten notes he had taken from the secure room, but said he could not locate two or three copies of the highly classified millennium terror report.

[LoungeMachine]

Just one problem – the central claim of their argument turned out to be false. The papers that Sandy Berger removed were not originals at all. They were actually copies of a report that was reportedly spread widely around the administration when it was released in 1999. This explains why Justice Department investigators found that Berger “‘did not have an intent to hide any of the content of the documents’ or conceal facts from the commission investigating the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.”

[LoungeMachine]

duh.

THEY WERE COPIES

NOT ORIGINALS


duh

Facts = what a concept

[Warham]

He removed 'hand-written' documents, meaning they were originals. And he said he returned them all. Uh huh.

[Warham]

I like how he 'inadvertently' took documents by stuffing them down his trousers.

[Guitar Shark]

Seriously War, you just need to ask Slick Willie out on a date already and satisfy that craving you have. Turn your obsession into reality. ;)

[DrMaddVibe]

So it's okay to destroy government documents from the National Archives now...that's just great how low the bar gets lowered when its one of theirs...but bar the door and burn down the house..."its impeachable!!!"...if its someone from the right.

Amazing.

Wrong is wrong.

[Warham]

Originally posted by Guitar Shark
Seriously War, you just need to ask Slick Willie out on a date already and satisfy that craving you have. Turn your obsession into reality. ;)

Hey, he's a criminal mastermind and always needs to have somebody keep an eye on him.

By the way, what do you think of Berger stuffing documents stamped 'Top Secret' down his trousers to hide the Clinton administration's ineptness regarding terrorism?

;)

[Guitar Shark]

Originally posted by Warham
By the way, what do you think of Berger stuffing documents stamped 'Top Secret' down his trousers to hide the Clinton administration's ineptness regarding terrorism?

;)

Nice editorializing there. ;) If that's what actually happened, and it's a crime to do so, then Berger should get what's coming to him.

But what does it have to do with this thread?

[DrMaddVibe]

Sandy Berger: Guilty as Charged

Last Friday, in U.S. District Court in Washington, former Clinton National Security Adviser Samuel L. "Sandy" Berger pled guilty to charges that he removed and destroyed classified materials from the National Archives on two occasions in 2003--presumably to keep out of the hands of the 9/11 Commission embarrassing marginalia that he or some other official had scribbled on a 2000 memo critical of the Clinton administration's inattentiveness to terrorism threats.

The New York Times--which often disapproves of lawbreaking, document destruction, and cover-ups by high government officials--went notably easy on Berger. "Ex-Clinton Adviser to Admit Taking Classified Papers," read their headline. (The Washington Post headline made the more obvious point: "Berger Will Plead Guilty.") According to Times reporter Eric Lichtblau, Berger had "agreed" to plead guilty, had "agreed" to "give up his security clearance for three years," and would pay a $10,000 fine. Lichtblau's walk-up piece bent over backward to minimize Berger's criminal activities, while stressing his reputation as "a respected figure in foreign policy circles for years."

The Scrapbook suspects Berger had a lot less discretion in the matter than the Times's careful choice of verbs suggests, but then we don't have its sources: Berger's lawyer Lanny Breuer, who said Sandy "regrets the mistakes he made during his review of documents at the National Archives," and "associates of Mr. Berger," who said Berger stole the documents because he "was just too tired and wasn't able to focus enough, and he felt like he needed to look at the documents

in his home or his office to line them up. He now admits that was a real mistake."

It was. It was a mistake when, on September 2, 2003, Berger took from the archives a long, detailed "after-action" report written by counterterrorism guru Richard Clarke that criticized the Clinton administration's response to the (thwarted) terrorist plot on Los Angeles International Airport in 1999. And it was undoubtedly a mistake when, a month later, Berger removed four additional drafts of the document, stuffed them into his coat and pants pockets, and, once he "realized" that the documents were "essentially the same" as the one he had already stolen, cut three of them into teeny, tiny pieces, which he then destroyed. We've all made that kind of mistake.

It was also a real mistake when he improperly removed his handwritten notes from the archive and lied about it to Archives personnel, the Justice Department, and the media. (Those lies were even told to Lichtblau's colleagues at the Times, something he is too much of a gentleman to bring up. "Mr. Berger returned all of the documents and notes to the archives in October, within a week of his learning they were missing, his lawyers said"--New York Times, July 20, 2004.)

Berger is not alone in having a sketchy memory. Lichtblau reports that "Republican leaders seized on" the Berger story last year--Berger at the time was the top foreign policy adviser to John Kerry, and likely to become secretary of state in a Kerry administration--but the reporter forgets to mention any of the sundry fulminations that emanated from prominent Democrats at the time. The omission prompted us to go back to the original reporting on the Berger investigation, and we found the Democrats were outraged that Republicans thought Berger guilty of wrongdoing.

Some dismissed the story outright. "This is much ado about nothing," said Dee Dee Myers, former Clinton mouthpiece. "The Republican hyperventilating is overdone," pronounced the New York Times editorial page. Joe Lockhart, another ex-Clinton spokesman who briefly flacked for Berger, told reporters that his client felt "a sense of injustice that after building a reputation as a tireless defender of his country that many Republicans would try to assassinate his character to pursue their own ends."

Others cast conspiratorial looks at the Bush White House. The Kerry campaign was deeply suspicious about "the timing of this leak." Lanny Davis, who as Berger's spinmeister may very well have leaked the news of Berger's pilfering himself--an art form perfected by Clinton aides for heading off damaging stories--chimed in on the same theme: "It's a week before the Democratic convention, and they know Kerry will get a bounce. They're doing everything they can to try to undermine that bounce." Ditto then-DNC chairman Terry McAuliffe: "The criminal investigation only came to light three days prior to the release of a report expected to be critical of the Bush administration's lack of focus on the events leading up to the 9/11 attacks." Likewise Hillary Clinton: "The timing speaks for itself," she said. Finally, there was the master of spin himself, Bill Clinton, who took a moment to comment on the Berger investigation during a book signing in Denver, Colorado, last July. "We were all laughing about it on the way over here," said Clinton, "People who don't know"

Berger "might find it hard to believe" he'd make a mistake with classified materials. But "all of us who've been in his office have always found him buried beneath papers."

Don't hold your breath waiting for any reporters to notice that Berger's Republican critics have been vindicated. As the Washington Post went out of its way to note, Berger "did not put it in his socks or underwear, as was alleged by some Republicans last summer."

___Who's Bashing Bolton?

____John Bolton, undersecretary of state and current Bush nominee for ambassador to the United Nations, is "receiving so much bipartisan criticism that there is a widespread question about whether or not the administration was expecting the nomination to pass the Senate." So noted CBS News foreign affairs analyst Pamela Falk in a report last week on a letter opposing Bolton's appointment, signed by 59 former U.S. diplomats and sent to Senator Richard Lugar, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

Much of the news coverage of the letter inanely treated the group as "bipartisan," noting that the former diplomats had "served in both Democratic and Republican administrations"--as is true of any Foreign Service officer with a career of normal duration. Which is to say, this fact tells you nothing special about the political views of the diplomats. As it happens, their politics run the gamut from left to farther left, and their letter is thus an ordinary partisan swipe at the nominee of a president they dislike. (Among other objections, they complain of Bolton's "exceptional record of opposition to efforts to enhance U.S. security through arms control." And we all remember how enhanced U.S. security was by efforts like SALT II. Don't we?)

The Scrapbook deputized an army of assistants (an army of one, actually) to tell us more about the signatories, because, while Senator Lugar surely recognizes each of the 59 names, Google struck out on quite a few. Our researcher told us the best source for biographical information on the 59 turned out to be a website called politicalgraveyard.com, specializing in political has-beens. Here one can learn, for example, that former senator Carol Mosley Braun, whose name we did remember, had also defended the interests of this country in both New Zealand and Samoa--a fact that we had forgotten and that does qualify her as a former ambassador, though not a particularly bipartisan one.

Further nuggets on the 59: Ambassador Henry Kimelman did a bang-up job as a Carter appointee in Haiti, but is perhaps better known for his work as chairman of the McGovern presidential committee in 1972. Ambassador William J. vanden Heuvel, Carter's ambassador to the U.N., has the distinction of having fathered Katrina, editor in chief of the Nation. Then there's the Honorable Terrell E. Arnold, another Carter appointee who later rose to deputy director of the State Department's Office of Counterterrorism. Arnold contributed an op-ed piece to the Washington Post in 1988 with this memorable recommendation: "We must develop an open, restrained endurance of terrorist incidents."

Our advice to Sen. Lugar? Don't take advice from this lot.

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by Guitar Shark
Seriously War, you just need to ask Slick Willie out on a date already and satisfy that craving you have. Turn your obsession into reality. ;)



You just know he's got a blue dress that he's been dying to wear.....:D

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by DrMaddVibe
So it's okay to destroy government documents from the National Archives now...that's just great how low the bar gets lowered when its one of theirs...but bar the door and burn down the house..."its impeachable!!!"...if its someone from the right.

Amazing.

Wrong is wrong.

No, you're right.

I had my facts wrong.

I apologize to you and "ham.

I thought charges were dropped.

My sincere apologies.

:cool:

[Keeyth]

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
You just know he's got a blue dress that he's been dying to wear.....:D

pre-stained even! :p

[Baby's On Fire]

Originally posted by Keeyth
Well, then WHY didn't he take credit for it?? You've seen how these Musilm extremists are when they do something. They put it all over Al-Jazeera TV, they make demands, they take the credit for what they are doing to show the infidels they mean business.

bin Laden never took credit for it. He never made any demands, at least not until he was blamed for the whole thing. How do we really KNOW who was behind this? Whoever the BCE tells us is? I'm just not that gullible, sorry.

Oh, and here's a theory on a lot of your questions, Baby's on Fire and diamondD:
http://www.serendipity.li/wot/valentine.htm

Yes he DID take credit for it. Remember the infamous tapes that were found i afghanistan, with Bin Laden seated on the floor with those other pieces of shit.....LAUGHING about those fools who actually flew the planes..................THAT'S taking credit.

[Warham]

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
No, you're right.

I had my facts wrong.

I apologize to you and "ham.

I thought charges were dropped.

My sincere apologies.

:cool:

Apology accepted. ;)

[DrMaddVibe]

Ditto that.

[Keeyth]

Originally posted by Baby's On Fire
Yes he DID take credit for it. Remember the infamous tapes that were found i afghanistan, with Bin Laden seated on the floor with those other pieces of shit.....LAUGHING about those fools who actually flew the planes..................THAT'S taking credit.

Moron. How the f**K do you know what the hell he was saying in some back room in a language you nor I speak???? We made Jurrasic Park dumbshit, we can certainly doctor up some translated shit supposedly overheard in a private conversation. Man, you ARE gullible!

If he was taking credit for it, he would be front and center on the camera, addressing the United States, telling the infidels, "I did it, here's why and these are my demands."

You call that stupid backroom video with a couple of hand signals proof of taking credit???? Fucking hell you are stupid! No wonder the BCE can brainwash America so simply through the media when there are morons like you out there. Geeezzz!!

:mad:

[Baby's On Fire]

It wasn't hand signals, dumbass. It was DIALOGUE (this means verbal conversation in case you're too stupid to know what the word means).

So, of all the people around The World who speak Arabic who saw the video on every news channel around the planet, NOT ONE bothered to come forward and say "that's not what the fucking sand ****** really said"!

Oh wait. I AM dumb. They're all in the "conpsiracy" too. Silly me,

Yeah I'm dumb alright.

[Keeyth]

You ever heard of an overdub dumbass???? Are you seriously that fuckin GULLIBLE??? Why didn't he put out a video facing the cameras and proud of what he had done like every other terrorist has done with every head chopping and such??? You are a simple, simple man.

Pathetic.

[Guitar Shark]

Keeyth is this all an act just to amuse us, or do you really believe what you post?

[Keeyth]

Oh it's just to amuse you.

Really.

[Guitar Shark]

Originally posted by Keeyth
Oh it's just to amuse you.

Really.

;)

[diamondD]

I would hope that no one could be that dumb. It's scary to think you try to exist in the real world.

[FORD]

Originally posted by Baby's On Fire
Yes he DID take credit for it. Remember the infamous tapes that were found i afghanistan, with Bin Laden seated on the floor with those other pieces of shit.....LAUGHING about those fools who actually flew the planes..................THAT'S taking credit.

The guy in that video tape didn't even remotely resemble Osama Bin Laden....

http://www.awitness.org/osama_b_caught_on_tape.jpg

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by diamondD
I would hope that no one could be that dumb. It's scary to think you try to exist in the real world.

Wait just a minute.

There's a REAL world?

Where?

Why haven't I been told of this???:confused:

How are the graphics?

Mac or PC ?


:D

[Warham]

Originally posted by FORD
The guy in that video tape didn't even remotely resemble Osama Bin Laden....


But this guy does...

http://www.rotharmy.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=562711

[FORD]

Originally posted by Warham
But this guy does...

http://www.rotharmy.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=562711

A better attempt, but still not Osama. here's an original pic from that staged video shoot.....
http://www.nrk.no/img/419417.jpeg

There's no way in Hell that guy is 6' 6" Also his face is shorter and rounder than Bin Laden, who has a longer more angular face.

I'm sure you'll find this hilarious, but if John Kerry had a full beard, he would look more like Bin Laden than the actor in that October video, because at least he would have the correct shaped face, and be close to the right height.

http://www.enduringvision.com/archives/kerryladen.jpg

[ELVIS]

Originally posted by Keeyth
There was a hole in the building that didn't account for the wingspan. and no damage where the sings should have hit.

You're an idiot...

[ELVIS]

Originally posted by FORD
The guy in that video tape didn't even remotely resemble Osama Bin Laden....

http://www.awitness.org/osama_b_caught_on_tape.jpg

Dude, that bullshit is dead...

:rolleyes:

[Keeyth]

Originally posted by ELVIS
You're an idiot...

Well, look who's back. My second favorite neo-con shitbag! :D

Long time no see, moron.;)

[Keeyth]

Originally posted by diamondD
I would hope that no one could be that dumb. It's scary to think you try to exist in the real world.

Actually, it's scary how you just buy the 'real world' story that is fed to you by the press, as if you were some dribbling infant trying to figure out how to get the Gerbers off the spoon...

[diamondD]

And you just keep that tin foil hat wrapped real tight there too Keeyth. Be sure to carry a spare roll in your purse. ;)

[Keeyth]

I think your diaper is leaking. It's either that or your mouth. Shit's coming out either way. Go get Mommy to change it. ;)