View Full Version : Software Engineer admits creating "Vote Fraud Software" for Republicans
Hardrock69
08-28-2005, 09:31 PM
Here is video:
http://www.electiledysfunction.org/ConyersOhioHearing_chunk_8.wmv
Computer programmer Clinton Curtis testified at the December 13th, 2004 Congressional hearing in Columbus, Ohio naming Republican Congressman Tom Feeney as the person who hired him to prepare vote-rigging software.
The programmer claims that he designed and built a "vote rigging" software program at the behest of then Florida Congressman, now U.S. Congressman, Republican Tom Feeney of Florida's 24th Congressional District.
Clint Curtis, 46, claims that he built the software for Feeney in 2000 while working at a sofware design and engineering company in Oviedo, Florida (Feeney's home district).
Curtis, in his affidavit, says that as technical advisor and programmer at Yang Enterprises, Inc. (YEI) he was present at company meetings where Feeney was present "on at least a dozen occasions".
Feeney, who had run in 1994 as Jeb Bush's running-mate in his initial unsuccessful bid for Florida Governor, was serving as both corporate counsel and registered lobbyist for YEI during the period that Curtis worked at the company.
Feeney was also concurrently serving as a Florida state congressman while performing those services for YEI. Feeney would eventually become Speaker of the Florida House before being elected to the U.S. House of Representatives in 2002. He is now a member of the U.S. House Judiciary Committee.
At an October 2000 meeting with Feeney, according to the affidavit and BRAD BLOG interviews with Curtis over the past three days, Feeney inquired whether the company could build a "vote fraud software prototype".
At least three YEI employees are said to have been present at that meeting; Curtis, company owner, Mrs. Li Woan Yang, and her executive secretary, Mike Cohen. Two other YEI employees may have come in and out at different points of the meeting according to Curtis.
Curtis says that Feeney "was very specific in the design and specifications required for this program."
"He detailed, in his own words, that; (a) the program needed to be touch-screen capable (b) the user should be able to trigger the program without any additional equipment (c) the programming to accomplish this needed to stay hidden even if the source code was inspected."
Though there was no problem with the first two requirements, Curtis explained to the Congressman that it would be "virtually impossible to hide such code written to change the voting results if anyone is able to review the uncompiled source code"
Nonetheless, he was asked at the meeting by Mrs. Yang to build the prototype anyway.
Curtis, "a life-long Republican" at the time, claims that it was his initial belief that Feeney's interest was in trying to stop Democrats from using "such a program to steal an election". Curtis had assumed that Feeney, "wanted to be able to detect and prevent that if it occurred."
Upon delivery of the software design and documentation on CD to Mrs. Yang, Curtis again explained to her that it would be impossible to hide routines created to manipulate the vote if anybody would be able to inspect the precompiled source code.
Mrs. Yang then told him, "You don’t understand, in order to get the contract we have to hide the manipulation in the source code. This program is needed to control the vote in South Florida."
Mrs. Yang then took the CD containing the software from Curtis, reportedly for later delivery to Feeney.
In other meetings with Feeny prior to the 2000 elections, it became clear to Curtis that Feeney had plans to suppress the vote in strong Democratic precincts. In the affidavit, Curtis claims that in those meetings Feeney had "bragged that he had already implemented 'exclusion lists' to reduce the 'black vote'." Feeney also mentioned that "proper placement of police patrols could further reduce the black vote by as much as 25%."
Curtis says that he submitted his resignation to YEI effective December 2000, but stayed on until they had found someone to replace him in February of 2001. He eventually became employed by the Florida Dept. of Transportation (FDOT) after leaving YEI.
**busheep crickets chirping**
BigBadBrian
08-28-2005, 10:07 PM
Heresay from a disgruntled employee. Much ado about nothing.
Touchscreen voting is the wave of the future. Get with the program.
:gulp:
Cathedral
08-28-2005, 10:45 PM
Stories like this do nothing but fuck with my head.
I just find it amazing that people think they can do shit like this whithout it ever coming out.
It almost makes the story unbelievable based on the fact that in this story, Curtis was pretty much a stranger to Feeney.
It just comes of as stupid and very hard to believe the audacity of the claims, lol.
Our country needs an enema, i'm now totally convinced of that.
Originally posted by Cathedral
Stories like this do nothing but fuck with my head.
I just find it amazing that people think they can do shit like this whithout it ever coming out.
It almost makes the story unbelievable based on the fact that in this story, Curtis was pretty much a stranger to Feeney.
It just comes of as stupid and very hard to believe the audacity of the claims, lol.
Our country needs an enema, i'm now totally convinced of that.
Well, since you live in Ohio, you could always do your own undercover investigation........ by getting a job at DIEBOLD ;)
Cathedral
08-28-2005, 11:18 PM
I don't want anything to do with Diebold, especially as an employee.
Hardrock69
08-29-2005, 02:45 AM
Cause you may have to eventually testify in front of Congress??
:D
Big Train
08-29-2005, 03:31 AM
Originally posted by Hardrock69
Here is video:
http://www.electiledysfunction.org/ConyersOhioHearing_chunk_8.wmv
"He detailed, in his own words, that; (a) the program needed to be touch-screen capable (b) the user should be able to trigger the program without any additional equipment (c) the programming to accomplish this needed to stay hidden even if the source code was inspected."
Though there was no problem with the first two requirements, Curtis explained to the Congressman that it would be "virtually impossible to hide such code written to change the voting results if anyone is able to review the uncompiled source code"
Nonetheless, he was asked at the meeting by Mrs. Yang to build the prototype anyway.
Upon delivery of the software design and documentation on CD to Mrs. Yang, Curtis again explained to her that it would be impossible to hide routines created to manipulate the vote if anybody would be able to inspect the precompiled source code.
Mrs. Yang then told him, "You don’t understand, in order to get the contract we have to hide the manipulation in the source code. This program is needed to control the vote in South Florida."
Mrs. Yang then took the CD containing the software from Curtis, reportedly for later delivery to Feeney.
If such a program existed, let's ask the logical follow through questions. Wouldn't those voting machines be sequestered and tested? One would imagine the cache or cookies or whatever of those machines would still have some trace of the software (they WOULD want to leave it on there for future riggings, no?)?
The guy or the writer never answered the fucking question: Was it or was it not able to be detected on a source code level?
Additionally, and for the umpteenth time, WHY OH WHY did the Dems NEVER test the machines right from the very week they suspected fraud? Why would they go the long way around to bring their gripes to the public. Why wouldn't they just drop the pants of the repubs and catch them red handed with the software or traces of still on the machine?
Either NO fraud happened or the Dems have something to protect too. Or third option, they are just morons...
Hardrock69
08-29-2005, 10:03 AM
Or the Dems were prevented from testing the machines for one reason or another, or Diebold went in AFTER the election and wiped the old software and reinstalled fresh untampered with softeare just in case the Dems were somehow able to test one of the machines....
Big Train
08-29-2005, 10:14 AM
Still doesn't wash. The Dems would have and should have screamed unfair at the top of their lungs if they suspected foul play and were not allowed. To do nothing and be silent is a lil suspicious to me.
Hardrock69
08-29-2005, 12:30 PM
On that note, look at how Jim Kerry completely disappeared after the election....
He and his campaign simply shut the fuck up and did not say a word.
With all the questions being raised about the election results, the normal thing would have been for them to go on the offensive about it, but the silence was deafening.
Keeyth
10-12-2005, 04:13 PM
Originally posted by Hardrock69
Here is video:
http://www.electiledysfunction.org/ConyersOhioHearing_chunk_8.wmv
Computer programmer Clinton Curtis testified at the December 13th, 2004 Congressional hearing in Columbus, Ohio naming Republican Congressman Tom Feeney as the person who hired him to prepare vote-rigging software.
The programmer claims that he designed and built a "vote rigging" software program at the behest of then Florida Congressman, now U.S. Congressman, Republican Tom Feeney of Florida's 24th Congressional District.
Clint Curtis, 46, claims that he built the software for Feeney in 2000 while working at a sofware design and engineering company in Oviedo, Florida (Feeney's home district).
Curtis, in his affidavit, says that as technical advisor and programmer at Yang Enterprises, Inc. (YEI) he was present at company meetings where Feeney was present "on at least a dozen occasions".
Feeney, who had run in 1994 as Jeb Bush's running-mate in his initial unsuccessful bid for Florida Governor, was serving as both corporate counsel and registered lobbyist for YEI during the period that Curtis worked at the company.
Feeney was also concurrently serving as a Florida state congressman while performing those services for YEI. Feeney would eventually become Speaker of the Florida House before being elected to the U.S. House of Representatives in 2002. He is now a member of the U.S. House Judiciary Committee.
At an October 2000 meeting with Feeney, according to the affidavit and BRAD BLOG interviews with Curtis over the past three days, Feeney inquired whether the company could build a "vote fraud software prototype".
At least three YEI employees are said to have been present at that meeting; Curtis, company owner, Mrs. Li Woan Yang, and her executive secretary, Mike Cohen. Two other YEI employees may have come in and out at different points of the meeting according to Curtis.
Curtis says that Feeney "was very specific in the design and specifications required for this program."
"He detailed, in his own words, that; (a) the program needed to be touch-screen capable (b) the user should be able to trigger the program without any additional equipment (c) the programming to accomplish this needed to stay hidden even if the source code was inspected."
Though there was no problem with the first two requirements, Curtis explained to the Congressman that it would be "virtually impossible to hide such code written to change the voting results if anyone is able to review the uncompiled source code"
Nonetheless, he was asked at the meeting by Mrs. Yang to build the prototype anyway.
Curtis, "a life-long Republican" at the time, claims that it was his initial belief that Feeney's interest was in trying to stop Democrats from using "such a program to steal an election". Curtis had assumed that Feeney, "wanted to be able to detect and prevent that if it occurred."
Upon delivery of the software design and documentation on CD to Mrs. Yang, Curtis again explained to her that it would be impossible to hide routines created to manipulate the vote if anybody would be able to inspect the precompiled source code.
Mrs. Yang then told him, "You don’t understand, in order to get the contract we have to hide the manipulation in the source code. This program is needed to control the vote in South Florida."
Mrs. Yang then took the CD containing the software from Curtis, reportedly for later delivery to Feeney.
In other meetings with Feeny prior to the 2000 elections, it became clear to Curtis that Feeney had plans to suppress the vote in strong Democratic precincts. In the affidavit, Curtis claims that in those meetings Feeney had "bragged that he had already implemented 'exclusion lists' to reduce the 'black vote'." Feeney also mentioned that "proper placement of police patrols could further reduce the black vote by as much as 25%."
Curtis says that he submitted his resignation to YEI effective December 2000, but stayed on until they had found someone to replace him in February of 2001. He eventually became employed by the Florida Dept. of Transportation (FDOT) after leaving YEI.
Why isn't this front page news ???? Who is suppressing this story???
Hardrock69
10-12-2005, 04:57 PM
Ask yourself two questions:
1. Who stands to benefit by suppressing this story?
2. Who has the power to suppress this story?
The answer to each question is the same.
They were actually 2 of the major questions surrounding the JFK Assassination as well as other large-scale political scandals...
Nickdfresh
10-12-2005, 05:54 PM
I need more evidence before I go screaming about this at the top of my lungs...
Originally posted by Nickdfresh
I need more evidence before I go screaming about this at the top of my lungs...
Chimp was losing support in every single subculture of conservatism even before November. Several high profile conservative magazines and news papers had either endorsed Kerry or refused to endorse anyone when a Chimp slam dunk would have been their expected response.
The turnout at the polls was higher than 2000. Yet there is no logical reason on this or any other planet why these "extra" voters would have gone for the Chimp. Voters who usually stay home for lack of motivation are certainly not likely to be motivated to continue the policies of the BCE.
Third party voters (and not just the leftist third parties) had decided to vote for Kerry as their only reasonable way of extracting the BCE from the White House.
The numbers for a Chimp win simply do not add up. Even though it was no great margin - only 50.8% of the vote - it's mathematically impossible, given the losses in the conservative base AND the influx of "new" voters.
Warham
10-12-2005, 06:14 PM
Are you guys going to try this shit in '08 when you lose again?
Keeyth
10-12-2005, 06:22 PM
You mean lose to the Chimp again who will probably try to change the two-term law? In that case, definitely.
Nickdfresh
10-12-2005, 06:24 PM
Originally posted by Warham
Are you guys going to try this shit in '08 when you lose again?
I dunno,' who's the Republican nominee going to be? Some guy named Allen? Bush's bro.?
Uhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuh!
Originally posted by Warham
Are you guys going to try this shit in '08 when you lose again?
If there had been electro-fraud machines in 1984,(all owned by Democratic corporations) and Mondale would have won the election by 50.8% of the vote, do you think the Republicans would have accepted it?
Warham
10-12-2005, 06:46 PM
I like George Allen more than either that swinger McCain, or Guiliani, who's socially liberal, but fiscally conservative. The only thing holding him back might be his youth at this point.
at least McCain and Guiliani have BRAINS. I can't believe you guys would settle for another empty headed puppet. Weren't Reagan, Quayle, and the Chimp enough damage??
Big Train
10-13-2005, 02:52 AM
What story? There is no story here. This "story" is months old and nothing has come of it.
The Dems are the ones to question here. Their silence is deafening, yet it speaks volumes.
WHY doesn't the guy just recreate the software and demonstrate?
Keeyth
10-13-2005, 11:24 AM
Ever heard of a cover up? Why didn't we ever hear where the intense stock trading on United Airlines just before 9-11 ended up leading to?
They take it out of the media, and the Busheep forget. Out of sight out of mind...
BigBadBrian
10-13-2005, 11:30 AM
Originally posted by Hardrock69
On that note, look at how Jim Kerry completely disappeared after the election....
He and his campaign simply shut the fuck up and did not say a word.
With all the questions being raised about the election results, the normal thing would have been for them to go on the offensive about it, but the silence was deafening.
That's because they know they were soundly defeated by some 4 million votes.
Ain't life a bitch.
:gulp:
Keeyth
10-13-2005, 11:55 AM
Originally posted by BigBadBrian
That's because they know they were soundly defeated by some 4 million votes.
Ain't life a bitch.
:gulp:
If it ain't the King of the Busheep...:rolleyes:
Big Train
10-13-2005, 08:40 PM
Originally posted by Keeyth
Ever heard of a cover up? Why didn't we ever hear where the intense stock trading on United Airlines just before 9-11 ended up leading to?
They take it out of the media, and the Busheep forget. Out of sight out of mind...
Let's just assume (as intensel y retarded it may be to me) were true, that yes there was a coverup on both sides. Why wouldn't some enterprising individual (Soros has the cash) or a third party (The Greens may have gotten more than they were credited) NOT buy a machine, have this genius recreate his software (which should be a snap, since he did it once before) and DEMONSTRATE on national TV how it was done?
I've been asking Ford this for 6 months and have gotten no decent response. I pose the same to you. Why wouldn't anyone, if there are so many different individuals who could stand to gain immensely?
To me, there is no story. Nothing to put up, so shut up...
I posted a video where Howard Dean and a voting fraud researcher demonstrate the Diebold fraud software on a nationally broadcast news program. What more do you want?
ODShowtime
10-13-2005, 09:08 PM
Originally posted by FORD
Chimp was losing support in every single subculture of conservatism even before November. Several high profile conservative magazines and news papers had either endorsed Kerry or refused to endorse anyone when a Chimp slam dunk would have been their expected response.
The numbers for a Chimp win simply do not add up. Even though it was no great margin - only 50.8% of the vote - it's mathematically impossible, given the losses in the conservative base AND the influx of "new" voters.
Seriously. All those conservatice voices refused to endorse gw. So many people came out to unseat him. So WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED?
Big Train's right though. Incompetence? Collusion? Is John Kerry controlled by the BCE? Will Tommy and Pam get back together?
ODShowtime
10-13-2005, 09:10 PM
Originally posted by BigBadBrian
That's because they know they were soundly defeated by some 4 million votes.
Ain't life a bitch.
You're fucked just as much as we are because of it jerky.
Originally posted by ODShowtime
You're fucked just as much as we are because of it jerky.
Actually, as a veteran, Brian's actually fucked worse than a lot of us. He just refuses to admit it.
ODShowtime
10-13-2005, 09:15 PM
Originally posted by FORD
Actually, as a veteran, Brian's actually fucked worse than a lot of us. He just refuses to admit it.
as gw&friends and inflation wittle away at his benefits.
Nickdfresh
10-13-2005, 09:21 PM
Originally posted by BigBadBrian
That's because they know they were soundly defeated by some 4 million votes.
Ain't life a bitch.
:gulp:
And Clinton beat Dole by over eight million votes, and he whipped Bush Snr.'s ass by 17 million votes.
Nah nah nah nah, my president beat your president/candidates by more votes.:)
http://images.encarta.msn.com/xrefmedia/sharemed/targets/images/pho/t025/T025888A.jpg
Keeyth
10-14-2005, 11:21 AM
Originally posted by Big Train
Let's just assume (as intensel y retarded it may be to me) were true, that yes there was a coverup on both sides. Why wouldn't some enterprising individual (Soros has the cash) or a third party (The Greens may have gotten more than they were credited) NOT buy a machine, have this genius recreate his software (which should be a snap, since he did it once before) and DEMONSTRATE on national TV how it was done?
I've been asking Ford this for 6 months and have gotten no decent response. I pose the same to you. Why wouldn't anyone, if there are so many different individuals who could stand to gain immensely?
To me, there is no story. Nothing to put up, so shut up...
Uh, well part of a cover up would be silencing those very people who would go public with this sort of information don't you think? :rolleyes:
Hardrock69
10-14-2005, 03:53 PM
Originally posted by Keeyth
Uh, well part of a cover up would be silencing those very people who would go public with this sort of information don't you think? :rolleyes:
To the point where, well, this particular software engineer died in a freak accident, or somehow committed suicide by shooting himself in the back of the head...
:rolleyes:
Warham
10-14-2005, 04:04 PM
Originally posted by Nickdfresh
And Clinton beat Dole by over eight million votes, and he whipped Bush Snr.'s ass by 17 million votes.
Nah nah nah nah, my president beat your president/candidates by more votes.:)
http://images.encarta.msn.com/xrefmedia/sharemed/targets/images/pho/t025/T025888A.jpg
Clinton never received more than 50% of the popular vote though. ;)
Warham
10-14-2005, 04:05 PM
Originally posted by Keeyth
Uh, well part of a cover up would be silencing those very people who would go public with this sort of information don't you think? :rolleyes:
Now your thinking just like Slick Willy. :D
Big Train
10-15-2005, 12:21 PM
Originally posted by Keeyth
Uh, well part of a cover up would be silencing those very people who would go public with this sort of information don't you think? :rolleyes:
:rolleyes: If you believe that, I can't help you.
Silence Soros, who put outs retarded ads nonstop?
Silence Nader, who will call a press conference on anything?
Silence Jesse Jackson or Sharpton who would do the same?
Silence any and all opportunistic libs? This would be their modern Watergate...
Their is too much on the table for too many people to walk away from that opportunity.
The problem for all of them is that there isn't enough truth to make it work.
Nickdfresh
10-15-2005, 12:39 PM
Originally posted by Warham
Clinton never received more than 50% of the popular vote though. ;)
I believe Gore did though.:)
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