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BigBadBrian
09-14-2005, 12:44 PM
Sept. 13, 3005 — Amid the chaos and confusion that engulfed New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina struck, a congressman used National Guard troops to check on his property and rescue his personal belongings — even while New Orleans residents were trying to get rescued from rooftops, ABC News has learned.

On Sept. 2 — five days after Katrina hit the Gulf Coast — Rep. William Jefferson, D-La., who represents New Orleans and is a senior member of the powerful Ways and Means Committee, was allowed through the military blockades set up around the city to reach the Superdome, where thousands of evacuees had been taken.



Military sources tells ABC News that Jefferson, an eight-term Democratic congressman, asked the National Guard that night to take him on a tour of the flooded portions of his congressional district. A 5-ton military truck and a half dozen military police were dispatched.

Lt. Col. Pete Schneider of the Louisiana National Guard tells ABC News that during the tour, Jefferson asked that the truck take him to his home on Marengo Street, in the affluent uptown neighborhood in his congressional district. According to Schneider, this was not part of Jefferson's initial request.

Jefferson defended the expedition, saying he set out to see how residents were coping at the Superdome and in his neighborhood. He also insisted that he did not ask the National Guard to transport him.

"I did not seek the use of military assets to help me get around my city," Jefferson told ABC News. "There was shooting going on. There was sniping going on. They thought I should be escorted by some military guards, both to the convention center, the Superdome and uptown."

The water reached to the third step of Jefferson's house, a military source familiar with the incident told ABC News, and the vehicle pulled up onto Jefferson's front lawn so he wouldn't have to walk in the water. Jefferson went into the house alone, the source says, while the soldiers waited on the porch for about an hour.

Finally, according to the source, Jefferson emerged with a laptop computer, three suitcases, and a box about the size of a small refrigerator, which the enlisted men loaded up into the truck.



"I don't think there is any explanation for an elected official using resources for their own personal use, when those resources should be doing search and rescue, or they should be helping with law enforcement in the city," said Jerry Hauer, a homeland security expert and ABC News consultant.



Jefferson said the trip was entirely appropriate. It took only a few minutes to retrieve his belongings, he said, and the truck stayed at his house for an hour in part to assist neighbors.



"This wasn't about me going to my house. It was about me going to my district," he said.




Two Heavy Trucks and Helicopter Involved


The Louisiana National Guard tells ABC News the truck became stuck as it waited for Jefferson to retrieve his belongings.



Two weeks later, the vehicle's tire tracks were still visible on the lawn.



The soldiers signaled to helicopters in the air for aid. Military sources say a Coast Guard helicopter pilot saw the signal and flew to Jefferson's home. The chopper was already carrying four rescued New Orleans residents at the time.



A rescue diver descended from the helicopter, but the congressman decided against going up in the helicopter, sources say. The pilot sent the diver down again, but Jefferson again declined to go up the helicopter.



After spending approximately 45 minutes with Jefferson, the helicopter went on to rescue three additional New Orleans residents before it ran low on fuel and was forced to end its mission.



"Forty-five minutes can be an eternity to somebody that is drowning, to somebody that is sitting in a roof, and it needs to be used its primary purpose during an emergency," said Hauer.



Coast Guard Commander Brendan McPherson told ABC News, "We did have an aircraft that responded to a signal of distress where the congressman was located. The congressman did decline rescue at the time so the helicopter picked up three other people.

"I can't comment on why the congressman decided not to go in the aircraft," McPherson said. "Did it take a little more time to send the rescue swimmer back a second time? Yes … You'd have to ask the congressman if it was a waste of time or not."



The Louisiana National Guard then sent a second 5-ton truck to rescue the first truck, and Jefferson and his personal items were returned to the Superdome.



Schneider said he could not comment on whether the excursion was appropriate. "We're in no position to comment on an order given to a soldier. You're not going to get a statement from the Louisiana National Guard saying whether it was right or wrong. That was the mission we were assigned."



Jefferson insisted the expedition did not distract from rescue efforts.



"They actually picked up a lot of people while we were there," he said. "The young soldier said, 'It's a good thing we came up here because a lot of people would not have been rescued had we not been in the neighborhood.'"




In an unrelated matter, authorities recently searched Jefferson's property as part of a federal investigation into the finances of a high-tech firm. Last month FBI officials raided Jefferson's house as well as his home in Washington, D.C., his car and his accountant's house.



Jefferson has not commented on that matter, except to say he is cooperating with the investigation. But he has emerged as a major voice in the post-Katrina political debate.



"The levee system that had protected New Orleans for hundreds of years had failed," he said on the House floor on Sept. 7. "Our city was inundated, 80 percent of it, with deadly water. Thousands of lives were lost, many drowned, trapped in their homes. Others were lost trying to escape the fury."



Last week, Jefferson set up a special trust fund for contributions to his legal defense in light of the FBI investigation. A senior federal law enforcement source tells ABC News that investigators are interested in learning if Jefferson moved any materials relevant to the investigation. Jefferson says he did not.



ABC News' Sarah H. Rosenberg, Chris Isham and Ted Gerstein contributed to this report.

LINK (http://www.abcnews.go.com/US/HurricaneKatrina/story?id=1123495&page=1)

BigBadBrian
09-14-2005, 12:47 PM
The Congressman was a Democrat....a Black Democrat.

So much for "Who care's about Black people." :rolleyes:

Take that fucking Kanye West. :mad:



:gulp:

ELVIS
09-14-2005, 12:53 PM
I wonder how much he looted from Walmart...


:elvis:

FORD
09-14-2005, 01:33 PM
There are no Democrats in Louisiana.

Hardrock69
09-14-2005, 01:56 PM
fucking politicians....

Warham
09-14-2005, 03:44 PM
Originally posted by FORD
There are no Democrats in Louisiana.

Democratic Underground?

BigBadBrian
09-14-2005, 03:47 PM
Originally posted by FORD
There are no Democrats in Louisiana.

I guess Blanco and Nagin were Republican-lite, huh? :p

Warham
09-14-2005, 04:16 PM
Where's the harsh tone for Mr. Jefferson, FORD?

DR CHIP
09-14-2005, 04:27 PM
Originally posted by Warham
Where's the harsh tone for Mr. Jefferson, FORD?

EXACTLY.....

FORD
09-14-2005, 05:17 PM
Originally posted by BigBadBrian
I guess Blanco and Nagin were Republican-lite, huh? :p

Yep. As is Mary Landrieu. Personally, I laughed my ass off when she said she wanted to punch Junior in the face, but it doesn't begin to make up for a dismal voting record.

There aren't any true Democrats in Lousiana. It's a stronghold of those DLC shitbag traitors. And if Jefferson is guilty of these accusations, I'm not surprised that a DLC'er would put himself above his constituents. They do so with most of their votes.

ODShowtime
09-14-2005, 07:44 PM
Originally posted by BigBadBrian
The Congressman was a Democrat....a Black Democrat.

So much for "Who care's about Black people." :rolleyes:

Take that fucking Kanye West. :mad:



:gulp:

Alot of black people don't give a shit about other black people. Big Deal.

Big Train
09-14-2005, 10:34 PM
Originally posted by FORD
Yep. As is Mary Landrieu. Personally, I laughed my ass off when she said she wanted to punch Junior in the face, but it doesn't begin to make up for a dismal voting record.

There aren't any true Democrats in Lousiana. It's a stronghold of those DLC shitbag traitors. And if Jefferson is guilty of these accusations, I'm not surprised that a DLC'er would put himself above his constituents. They do so with most of their votes.

The outrage is deafening....

Warham
09-15-2005, 07:05 AM
Isn't it though?

BigBadBrian
09-15-2005, 09:52 AM
Phil, would you like to pop off and comment on this thread? :rolleyes:

scamper
09-15-2005, 10:01 AM
Originally posted by FORD
Yep. As is Mary Landrieu. Personally, I laughed my ass off when she said she wanted to punch Junior in the face, but it doesn't begin to make up for a dismal voting record.

There aren't any true Democrats in Lousiana. It's a stronghold of those DLC shitbag traitors. And if Jefferson is guilty of these accusations, I'm not surprised that a DLC'er would put himself above his constituents. They do so with most of their votes.

Shouldn't a voting record reflect what you believe is best for your community not what your party wants?

FORD
09-15-2005, 12:07 PM
Originally posted by scamper
Shouldn't a voting record reflect what you believe is best for your community not what your party wants?

If you think the Republican agenda is "best for your community" then run as a damn Republican.

scamper
09-15-2005, 12:36 PM
Originally posted by FORD
If you think the Republican agenda is "best for your community" then run as a damn Republican.

I would hope that any of my representatives on any level vote for whats best for the area reguardless of which agenda it falls under.

LoungeMachine
09-15-2005, 05:51 PM
Wrong is wrong.

This dumbass whould be handed a BILL for resources used, and publically apologize.

At LEAST.

DLR'sCock
09-15-2005, 06:24 PM
Wrong is worng, really disgusting....

Cathedral
09-15-2005, 06:36 PM
Originally posted by scamper
I would hope that any of my representatives on any level vote for whats best for the area reguardless of which agenda it falls under.

Then the CAFTA votes should have opened your eyes a little bit.
A couple of Democrats that promised their communities they would vote against it had a last minute change in opinion and CAFTA passed.

That was a display of Democrats and Republicans together putting the screws to the people yet again.

The problem is that those on the left are so focused on their alleged crimes of Bush that they grant a pass on their own criminals and wishy washy representatives effectively making every damn one of them look like hypocrites.

The government doesn't give a fuck about you or me, all they care about is making sure we pay our taxes and fund our own ass fucking while they live in their big homes and have the best of health care all the while they serve themselves with the occasional crumb thrown to the poor if the camera angle is sufficient.

I'm starting to develope an attitude against all staunch politicians and supporters who choose to ignore the big picture and only focus on what applies to them or their agendas.
Too many important issues have been swept under rugs and too many crimes are commited on both sides for any supporter to ignore them.
So, The US Government has become a cestpool of people who only attack the crimes of the opponents and ignore their own parties shortcomings and less than proper actions.

It's really sad, and the biggest reason we are in the trouble we are with the rest of the world.

This country will continue to walk in place until this trend is addressed and something is done about it.
I and more and more Americans everyday are drawing this conclusion, though very late, the coming elections will show some changes in the way the voter thinks and believes when it comes to politics.

Look at this example:
Democrats went straight for Bush's juggular for the failure to respond to Katrina while they ignored the fact that Louisiana Governor and N.O. Mayor were the first line of defense and protection for their people, and they did nothing.
The Dems want to overlook their responsibility just to get a jab at Bush...How does that work?
Well, It doesn't work and as each day has passed I have found myself gaining company on this front and the opinion that they ALL failed the people misrably.

And just like the trial of Saddam Hussein...The crimes he is tried for will be carefully selected because in order to get him for a lot of them the US would have to be on trial as well.
That's why his atrocities against the Iranian's will never be part of his trial and why Saddam will not be put to death or maybe even be convicted of anything at all.

Morrocco, or a very large part of that population even believe's Saddam will be back in power in Iraq in the future.

Bottom line: If Justice is what people want they will never get it from or through politicians. The corruption prevents that at every corner when both sides have their own crimes to cover up.

I'm just happy that the people of this great country are beginning to wake up and finally see where we are heading under the current policies of any Administration we elect.

Anymore, to argue that one is better than the other is a fight waged in ignorance...but we're smarter than that, or at least I am at this point.

FORD
09-15-2005, 06:52 PM
Originally posted by Cathedral

The problem is that those on the left are so focused on their alleged crimes of Bush that they grant a pass on their own criminals and wishy washy representatives effectively making every damn one of them look like hypocrites.

Not the case with ALL of us on the left. I actually have more contempt for the DLC fake Democrats than I do for the neocon shitbag Republicans.

I expect Republicans to vote against the peoples' best interests, as they always have.

I do NOT expect it from the people I worked my ass off campaigning for :mad:

Now if you'll excuse me, I need to go shred a fundraising letter from "my" DLC senator

Cathedral
09-15-2005, 07:14 PM
Originally posted by FORD
Not the case with ALL of us on the left. I actually have more contempt for the DLC fake Democrats than I do for the neocon shitbag Republicans.

I expect Republicans to vote against the peoples' best interests, as they always have.

I do NOT expect it from the people I worked my ass off campaigning for :mad:

Now if you'll excuse me, I need to go shred a fundraising letter from "my" DLC senator


I actually meant the hard left, and the hard right for that matter.
More gets done when it is approached from a centerist stand point on both sides because neither you or I will sit still for complete one sided leadership.

The art of compromise is what's missing from the whole process these days.
And if we all as citizens don't stand up and change that, we will be in for some serious hardship in the very near future.

It's already begun if the truth be known.

DrMaddVibe
09-15-2005, 07:50 PM
LOL!!!

Damn...to be able to be there when you pulled back the curtain to reveal the "wizard"...oh I bet that was a polaroid moment!

4moreyears
09-15-2005, 08:27 PM
To ford you have to be a howard dean dick sucking homo to be a democrat.

Cathedral
09-15-2005, 10:09 PM
Originally posted by DrMaddVibe
LOL!!!

Damn...to be able to be there when you pulled back the curtain to reveal the "wizard"...oh I bet that was a polaroid moment!


Well he didn't look anything like Mel Brooke's in gold makeup walking on his knee's.

May the Schwartz be with you.............

Cathedral
09-15-2005, 10:10 PM
Originally posted by 4moreyears
To ford you have to be a howard dean dick sucking homo to be a democrat.

Dean is so far to the left that he's in danger of flanking the right.

FORD
09-15-2005, 10:56 PM
What's with the fucking trolls in here today??

And Dean isn't a leftist, or a homosexual for that matter.

Cathedral
09-15-2005, 11:35 PM
Honestly, I don't have a clue what Howard Dean stands for.
But i don't think he's gay in any way or my gaydar would beep when he's on the tube running off at the mouth.

The "flanking the right" comment i posted was just for a laugh.

Nickdfresh
09-16-2005, 07:20 PM
Outrageous! Sort of like the President that used the National Guard to illegally invade another country.

stringfelowhawk
09-16-2005, 07:29 PM
To quote the ever phylisophical Hall & Oats:
"Say It Isn't So"!