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Hecubus
01-03-2004, 03:03 PM
Allright then....

Those of you who enjoy watching a good game 'o shinny,
BRING IT!!

My Sharks are rolling after the naysayers have been silenced about playoff potential as they sit atop the Pacific once more!!

Tough one tonite in St. Looie, tho. If they can win in that building, they only have The Joe to conquer.

GO SHARKIES!!!

PHOENIX
01-03-2004, 03:34 PM
DUDE THE HABS ARE GONNA WIN A 25th STANLEY CUP THIS YEAR.


Year Winner Finalist Games
2003 New Jersey Devils Anaheim Mighty Ducks 4-3
2002 Detroit Red Wings Carolina Hurricanes 4-1
2001 Colorado Avalanche New Jersey Devils 4-3
2000 New Jersey Devils Dallas Stars 4-2
1999 Dallas Stars Buffalo Sabres 4-2
1998 Detroit Red Wings Washington Capitals 4-0
1997 Detroit Red Wings Philadelphia Flyers 4-0
1996 Colorado Avalanche Florida Panthers 4-0
1995 New Jersey Devils Detroit Red Wings 4-0
1994 New York Rangers Vancouver Canucks 4-3
1993 Montreal Canadiens Los Angeles Kings 4-1
1992 Pittsburgh Penguins Chicago Blackhawks 4-0
1991 Pittsburgh Penguins Minnesota North Stars 4-2
1990 Edmonton Oilers Boston Bruins 4-1
1989 Calgary Flames Montreal Canadiens 4-2
1988 Edmonton Oilers Boston Bruins 4-0
1987 Edmonton Oilers Philadelphia Flyers 4-3
1986 Montreal Canadiens Calgary Flames 4-1
1985 Edmonton Oilers Philadelphia Flyers 4-1
1984 Edmonton Oilers NY Islanders 4-1
1983 New York Islanders Edmonton Oilers 4-0
1982 New York Islanders Vancouver Canucks 4-0
1981 New York Islanders Minnesota North Stars 4-1
1980 New York Islanders Philadelphia Flyers 4-2
1979 Montreal Canadiens NY Rangers 4-1
1978 Montreal Canadiens Boston Bruins 4-2
1977 Montreal Canadiens Boston Bruins 4-0
1976 Montreal Canadiens Philadelphia Flyers 4-0
1975 Philadelphia Flyers Buffalo Sabres 4-2
1974 Philadelphia Flyers Boston Bruins 4-2
1973 Montreal Canadiens Chicago Black Hawks 4-2
1972 Boston Bruins NY Rangers 4-2
1971 Montreal Canadiens Chicago Black Hawks 4-3
1970 Boston Bruins St. Louis Blues 4-0
1969 Montreal Canadiens St. Louis Blues 4-0
1968 Montreal Canadiens St. Louis Blues 4-0
1967 Toronto Maple Leafs Montreal Canadiens 4-2
1966 Montreal Canadiens Detroit Red Wings 4-2
1965 Montreal Canadiens Chicago Black Hawks 4-3
1964 Toronto Maple Leafs Detroit Red Wings 4-3
1963 Toronto Maple Leafs Detroit Red Wings 4-1
1962 Toronto Maple Leafs Chicago Black Hawks 4-2
1961 Chicago Black Hawks Detroit Red Wings 4-2
1960 Montreal Canadiens Toronto Maple Leafs 4-0
1959 Montreal Canadiens Toronto Maple Leafs 4-1
1958 Montreal Canadiens Boston Bruins 4-2
1957 Montreal Canadiens Boston Bruins 4-1
1956 Montreal Canadiens Detroit Red Wings 4-1
1955 Detroit Red Wings Montreal Canadiens 4-3
1954 Detroit Red Wings Montreal Canadiens 4-3
1953 Montreal Canadiens Boston Bruins 4-1
1952 Detroit Red Wings Montreal Canadiens 4-0
1951 Toronto Maple Leafs Montreal Canadiens 4-1
1950 Detroit Red Wings NY Rangers 4-3
1949 Toronto Maple Leafs Detroit Red Wings 4-0
1948 Toronto Maple Leafs Detroit Red Wings 4-0
1947 Toronto Maple Leafs Montreal Canadiens 4-2
1946 Montreal Canadiens Boston Bruins 4-1
1945 Toronto Maple Leafs Detroit Red Wings 4-3
1944 Montreal Canadiens Chicago Black Hawks 4-0
1943 Detroit Red Wings Boston Bruins 4-0
1942 Toronto Maple Leafs Detroit Red Wings 4-3
1941 Boston Bruins Detroit Red Wings 4-0
1940 New York Rangers Toronto Maple Leafs 4-2
1939 Boston Bruins Toronto Maple Leafs 4-1
1938 Chicago Black Hawks Toronto Maple Leafs 3-1
1937 Detroit Red Wings NY Rangers 3-2
1936 Detroit Red Wings Toronto Maple Leafs 3-1
1935 Montreal Maroons Toronto Maple Leafs 3-0
1934 Chicago Black Hawks Detroit Red Wings 3-1
1933 New York Rangers Toronto Maple Leafs 3-1
1932 Toronto Maple Leafs NY Rangers 3-0
1931 Montreal Canadiens Chicago Black Hawks 3-2
1930 Montreal Canadiens Boston Bruins 2-0
1929 Boston Bruins NY Rangers 2-0
1928 New York Rangers Montreal Maroons 3-2
1927 Ottawa Senators Boston Bruins 2-0-2

PHOENIX
01-03-2004, 03:35 PM
The NHL assumed control of Stanley Cup after 1926.
1926 Montreal Maroons Victoria Cougars (WHL) 3-1
1925 Victoria Cougars (WHL) Montreal Canadiens 3-1
1924 Montreal Canadiens Calgary Tigers (WCHL) 2-0
Vancouver Maroons (PCHA) 2-0
1923 Ottawa Senators Edmonton Eskimos (WCHL) 2-0
Vancouver Maroons (PCHA) 3-1
1922 Toronto St. Patricks Vancouver Millionaires (PCHA) 3-2
1921 Ottawa Senators Vancouver Millionaires (PCHA) 3-2
1920 Ottawa Senators Seattle Metropolitans (PCHA) 3-2
1919 No decision - series between Montreal and Seattle canceled- flu epidemic
1918 Toronto Arenas Vancouver Millionaires (PCHA) 3-2

1917 Seattle Metropolitans (PCHA) Montreal Canadiens (NHA) 3-1
1916 Montreal Canadiens (NHA) Portland Rosebuds (PCHA) 3-2
1915 Vancouver Millionaires (PCHA) Ottawa Senators (NHA) 3-0
1914 Toronto Blueshirts (NHA) Victoria Aristocrats (PCHA) 3-0
1913 Quebec Bulldogs (NHA)
1912 Quebec Bulldogs (NHA) Moncton Victorias (MPHL) 2-0

Prior to 1912, teams could challenge for Stanley Cup, therefore
there were more than one Championship series per season.

1911 Ottawa Senators (NHA) Galt Professionals (OPHL) 1-0
Port Arthur Bearcats 1-0
1910 Montreal Wanderers (NHA) Berlin Dutchmen (OPHL) 1-0
(Kitchener)
1909 Ottawa Senators (ECAHA) Galt Professionals (OPHL) 2-0
Edmonton Eskimos 2-0
1908 Montreal Wanderers (ECAHA) Ottawa Victorias 2-0
Winnipeg Maple Leafs (MPHL) 2-0
Toronto Professionals (OPHL) 1-0
Edmonton Eskimos 2-1
1907 Montreal Wanderers (ECAHA) Kenora Thistles (MPHL) 12-8
(Goals)
1907 Kenora Thistles (MPHL) Montreal Wanderers (ECAHA) 2-0
1906 Montreal Wanderers (ECAHL) Ottawa Silver Seven(ECAHL) 12-10
(Goals)
New Glascow 2-0
1906 Ottawa Silver Seven (ECAHL) Queen's University 2-0
Smiths Falls HC (FAHL) 2-0
1905 Ottawa Silver Seven Dawson City Nuggets 2-0
Rat Portage (Kenora) Thistles 2-1
1904 Ottawa Silver Seven Winnipeg Rowing Club 2-1
Toronto Marlboros 2-0
Montreal Wanderers (FAHL) 0-0-1
Brandon 2-0
1903 Ottawa Silver Seven Montreal Victorias (CAHL) 1-0-1
Rat Portage (Kenora) Thistles 2-0
1903 Montreal AAA (CAHL) Winnipeg Victorias 2-1-1
1902 Montreal AAA (CAHL) Winnipeg Victorias 2-1
1902 Winnipeg Victorias Toronto Wellingtons 2-0
1901 Winnipeg Victorias Montreal Shamrocks (CAHL) 2-0
1900 Montreal Shamrocks (CAHL) Winnipeg Victorias 2-1
Halifax Crescents 2-0
1899 Montreal Shamrocks (CAHL) Queen's University 1-0
1899 Montreal Victorias (CAHL) Winnipeg Victorias 2-0
1898 Montreal Victorias (AHA)
1897 Montreal Victorias (AHA) Ottawa Capitals 1-0
1896 Montreal Victorias (AHA) Winnipeg Victorias 1-0
1896 Winnipeg Victorias Montreal Victorias (AHA) 1-0
1895 Montreal Victorias (AHA)
1894 Montreal AAA (AHA) Montreal Victorias (AHA) 1-0
Ottawa Capitals 1-0
1893 Montreal AAA (AHA)

Full Bug
01-03-2004, 04:29 PM
Originally posted by PHOENIX
DUDE THE HABS ARE GONNA WIN A 25th STANLEY CUP THIS YEAR.

Seems Phoenix has been sticking his nose in the white stuff again, if their lucky the Habs just might squeek into the playoffs.....MIGHT being the key word....:p

PHOENIX
01-03-2004, 05:11 PM
Hockey Night In Canada baby! :D

Du du du du da da.......

Va Beach VH Fan
01-03-2004, 05:28 PM
I enjoy watching Souray this year, that fucker has a cannon of a shot....

Of course, if I'm gonna post in this thread, I gotta talk about my Pens....

The big issue of course is the two month absence of Lemieux after what's called a minor hip strain....

Stan Savran offered an interesting opinion last night on Fox Sports P-Burgh..

After today's 4-1 ho-hum loss to the Rangers, Mario's missed 29 games now.... After 30 games missed, which will be after Monday's game vs. the Full Bug Maple Leafs ( :D ), the Penguins gain back 80 percent of his pay by way of insurance...

For Mario's salary, that's 4 million clams, which of course to the cash-starved Pens, is a very nice chunk of change....

But the guy hasn't said a word in two months, not one word to anyone in the media....

I wouldn't doubt it that it's the reason he's stayed away this long....

PHOENIX
01-03-2004, 06:02 PM
Dude i feel sorry for the Pens. Mario is still young and should be out there playing.

Va Beach VH Fan
01-03-2004, 07:58 PM
Young compared to who, Messier ???

He's 38, with a long history of back and hip problems, on top of beating cancer....

That said, I don't see it taking 2 months to heal from a hip "strain" as they're calling it....

Hecubus
01-03-2004, 08:10 PM
You have to start thinking Lemieux' sticking around this long to keep the folks coming to the games.

I'm surprised he's still playing, but it shows his character & that he's trying to help turn it around.

Full Bug
01-03-2004, 09:17 PM
Mario wont play unless he feels 110% health, he's just like that now, but I bet he will play more if the Pens make the playoffs (That doesnt look to likely)

Chris
01-04-2004, 10:39 AM
Newflash: June 2004

LEAFS WIN THE CUP!

Hecubus
01-04-2004, 12:49 PM
Originally posted by Chris
Newflash: June 2004

LEAFS WIN THE CUP!

Dude,

What's with Owen Nolan's eye?

Full Bug
01-04-2004, 02:28 PM
Originally posted by Hecubus
Dude,

What's with Owen Nolan's eye?
Nolan sees 'flashes' after taking stick to eye


By Lance Hornby

Owen Nolan was being examined by a specialist at Toronto Western Hospital last night for possible eye damage after getting high-sticked on his first shift. Nolan went down to the ice kicking in pain and was helped off the ice after Buffalo Sabres defenceman Jay McKee accidentally lifted his blade into the Leaf forward's face after the two had been fighting for a puck. Initially diagnosed as a cut above his left eye, Nolan had been stitched up and was back into street clothes in the dressing room when he began to experience "flashes" according to head coach Pat Quinn.

"The evidence was blunt trauma to the eye," Quinn said. "We have no reason to believe it's really bad, except that he's not seeing things so well. So that indicates the eyeball probably was hit."

DOCTOR SUMMONED

Dr. Rob Devenyi, who worked closely with the Leafs when Bryan Berard was partially blinded by a stick in the eye in 2001, was summoned to meet Nolan at the hospital. The on-ice officials closest to the play quickly huddled as Nolan left and McKee was not penalized.

"You hate to see that happen to a player ... and there was no penalty after," captain Mats Sundin said. "Hopefully, Owen's going to be okay."

The Leafs are already without last year's leading scorer, Alex Mogilny, whose hip surgery tops a long list of Toronto injuries this season. Nolan has 28 points in 38 games.
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What a fucking drag.....
:(

Hecubus
01-05-2004, 12:32 AM
Brutal.

Of course he was one of my fav Sharks. He brought the grit to the team while he was out here. It was crappy to see him go, but McAuley's doing a helluva job & folks are warming up to him quick.

If I have to root for another team to win Lord Stanley's cup this year it has to be the Leafs for Nolan & Marchment's sake, since Friesen got his last year with the Devils.

lucky wilbury
01-06-2004, 06:22 PM
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story.asp?ID=66919&hubName=nhl

Lemieux out for the season


Associated Press
1/6/2004

PITTSBURGH (CP) - Pittsburgh Penguins star Mario Lemieux needs hip surgery and will miss the rest of the NHL season but he's confident he'll be back for the 2004-05 campaign.

The surgery, which will repair chronic tendinitis in his left hip flexor, will take place next Tuesday.

The 38-year-old Lemieux, the team's owner and captain, has not played since Nov. 1. He has been resting and undergoing physical therapy for the past two months in the hope that the injury would heal. But doctors recommended surgery after an MRI revealed no significant change in his condition.

``I was optimistic that the injury would heal, and I was hoping to get back in the lineup and play with some of our very promising young players,'' Lemieux said Tuesday in a release. ``It is disappointing that I won't have a chance to return to the ice this season, but I look forward to coming back next year.''

Lemieux had one goal and eight assists in 10 games this season. On Oct. 29, he became only the sixth player in NHL history to record 1,700 career points.

``Mario continues to suffer from pain in his left hip, and the diagnosis of a hip flexor muscle problem remains the same,'' said Dr. Charles Burke, the Penguins team physician.

Lemieux underwent surgery on his right hip in October of 2001. He rebounded to lead the NHL in scoring for much of the 2002-03 season, finishing with 28 goals and 63 assists for 91 points in 67 games.

``The encouraging thing for me is that the surgery in 2001 was successful, and I have had no problems since then with my right hip,'' Lemieux said.

A six-time NHL scoring champion and three-time MVP who battled back from a bout with cancer and two back operations, Lemieux has 683 goals and 1,018 in 889 career games.

It's bad news for the young Pittsburgh club, which is stuck in the NHL basement with a 9-23-5-3 record.

``We'd been hoping to get him back in the lineup, but I know he's been frustrated by the lack of improvement,'' coach Eddie Olczyk said. ``It's very unfortunate, because he worked so hard over the summer and was in such tremendous shape to start the year. He was looking forward to having a great season.''

It could also be bad news for Wayne Gretzky, who said he would like to have Lemieux return as captain of Team Canada for the World Cup of hockey this summer. Lemieux said he'd be interested as long as he was healthy. As the team's managing director, Gretzky led Canada to a gold medal at the Olympics in 2002. Lemieux was the captain of that squad.

The surgery will be performed at the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center by Dr. Marc Philippon, one of the world's leading orthopedic hip surgeons.

PHOENIX
01-06-2004, 07:02 PM
LEAFS SUCK ASS!

HAB A NICE DAY!

:D

Chris
01-06-2004, 07:49 PM
Originally posted by Hecubus
Dude,

What's with Owen Nolan's eye? Well he had to have laser eye surgery to repair a small tear in his eye. Here is a link to a news article.

TSN Article (http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/teams/news_story.asp?ID=66774&hubName=nhl-maple_leafs)

Chris
01-06-2004, 07:53 PM
Originally posted by PHOENIX
LEAFS SUCK ASS!

HAB A NICE DAY!

:D Are things looking up in Montreal PHOENIX? Now that you have Gainey at the helm, things should improve. He is definitely one of the best GM's in the game.

Va Beach VH Fan
01-06-2004, 08:58 PM
The Leafs look awfully strong....

And no, I'm not just saying that because they whooped up on my Pens last night, everyone does that.... :D

Full Bug
01-06-2004, 11:24 PM
Originally posted by Va Beach VH Fan
The Leafs look awfully strong....

I think they might finally have a shot at the cup this year, but just because they are the Leafs I cant help but feel they will let me down and find a way to lose somehow, but its great to see them doing so well.....Unlike the Habs RIGHT PHOENIX?:D

Diva Lee Roth
01-06-2004, 11:39 PM
The only sport I care about. I need to catch up on my hockey..:)

Chris
01-06-2004, 11:46 PM
They're a good team. But they're an old team.....if they stay healthy, they could win it all. I've been a die hard fan for 36 years and they've never won much. So I've got my fingers crossed. :)

Hecubus
01-07-2004, 11:24 PM
Sometimes those old crafty bastards can get the job done a lot more efficiently then the new machines....

Full Bug
01-08-2004, 12:20 PM
Phoenix 3, Washington 0

January 7, 2004


WASHINGTON (AP) -- Brian Boucher deflected the attention as easily as the Washington Capitals' shots.

Boucher became the first NHL goalie in almost 55 years to record four consecutive shutouts, making 27 saves in the Phoenix Coyotes' 3-0 victory over Washington on Wednesday night.

``I've had some help along the way, but ... you need luck on your side, too,'' Boucher said. ``They hit some posts and guys have been blocking a lot of shots.''

The last goalie with four straight shutouts was Montreal's Bill Durnan, who accomplished the feat from Feb. 26-March 6, 1949.

Boucher stretched his shutout streak to 265:45, and trails only Durnan's modern-era NHL record of 309:21, also set in 1949.

Boucher will be back in goal Friday night in Minnesota, where the Coyotes close a four-game road trip.


``It's pretty unbelievable,'' Boucher said. ``Hopefully, I can ride it through until Friday.''

Phoenix coach Bob Francis left little doubt that Boucher will start against the Wild.

``What would you do?'' Francis said. ``I'm not stupid.''

Shane Doan had a goal and an assist and Damond Langkow and Ladislav Nagy also scored for the Coyotes, 4-0-4 in their last eight road games.

Two first-period goals gave the Coyotes -- and Boucher -- some breathing room.

``Our formula has been to come out and have a strong first period and go with the mind-set that it's going to be a low-scoring game,'' Francis said.

The Capitals have lost three straight and are 0-6-1 in their last seven, scoring only eight goals during that stretch.

``We obviously ran into a hot goalie,'' Washington's Mike Grier said. ``We had a terrible first period and we put ourselves behind the 8-ball again.''

Boucher, elevated from third string when Zac Bierk sustained a groin injury in mid-November, faced only six shots in the first period, but had to make two tough saves. Grier stole the puck from Nagy in the neutral zone, but Boucher gloved Grier's snap shot from the right circle at 7:12.

Phoenix opened the scoring on Doan's unassisted goal -- his 17th goal of the season -- with 4:16 left in the first period. He scored on a rising wrist shot moments after Washington flubbed a three-on-two break.

Langkow made it 2-0 with 1:56 left in the period, converting a short pass from Doan on the left boards. Langkow swept the puck past goalie Olaf Kolzig from the left circle.

Just 1:29 into the second period, Grier had another good chance, but Boucher pushed the puck clear with his glove. Washington failed on two power plays that produced four shots late in the third period, including a 25-second two-man advantage.

Nagy scored an empty-net goal with 24 seconds left.
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First time in 55 years? Impressive......

PHOENIX
01-10-2004, 06:20 PM
CANADIANS BEAT PITTSBURGH 8-0!!!

WHAT THE HELL IS THE MATTER WITH THE PENS?

PHOENIX
01-10-2004, 06:24 PM
Originally posted by Full Bug
I think they might finally have a shot at the cup this year, but just because they are the Leafs I cant help but feel they will let me down and find a way to lose somehow, but its great to see them doing so well.....Unlike the Habs RIGHT PHOENIX?:D

THE HABS ARE DOING PRETTY GOOD THIS YEAR.


Eastern Conference
Team GP Pts
1. * Toronto 43 57
2. * Philadelphia 42 55
3. * Atlanta 42 43
4. Ottawa 41 52
5. New Jersey 40 50
6. Boston 42 48
7. Montreal 43 47
8. NY Islanders 41 44
9. Tampa Bay 40 43
10. Buffalo 43 40
11. NY Rangers 40 40
12. Florida 42 39
13. Carolina 42 38
14. Washington 43 29
15. Pittsburgh 42 28

Hecubus
01-15-2004, 10:34 PM
They're doing great.....

if the season ended today....

MUHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!

Sorry, Peenix. Just f'ing witcha!

Dave's PA Rental
01-15-2004, 10:55 PM
Couple things...

Mario Lemieux is the greates hockey player ever. Better than Gretzky. I saw them both play at the Boston Garden.

I cant understand how you guys can watch the NHL nowadays. Maybe if the Bruins didnt suck and if they had an old time hockey player that the Boston fans could like, I would feel different. Joe Thornton will never do it for me.

There were flashes of greatness last year with Thornton, but players today just dont seem to have the heart that they used to have. Maybe im just old. (im only 34)

I wish that I could tolerate the game the way it is played now, and I try to watch, but it is just so uninteresting. I envy you guys who still enjoy it.

Bob_R
01-16-2004, 06:54 AM
Originally posted by Daves PA rental
Couple things...

Mario Lemieux is the greates hockey player ever. Better than Gretzky.

I couldn't disagree more. IMO, I can't see how anyone can think that Gretzky isn't the greatest ever.

Full Bug
01-16-2004, 09:37 AM
Originally posted by Daves PA rental

Mario Lemieux is the greates hockey player ever. Better than Gretzky.
If Mario had stayed healthy all these years MAYBE....and thats a big MAYBE....Personally I think Wayne was the best, nobody could ever top him, his records are safe.....

lucky wilbury
01-16-2004, 04:22 PM
Originally posted by Daves PA rental
Couple things...

Mario Lemieux is the greates hockey player ever. Better than Gretzky. I saw them both play at the Boston Garden.

I cant understand how you guys can watch the NHL nowadays. Maybe if the Bruins didnt suck and if they had an old time hockey player that the Boston fans could like, I would feel different. Joe Thornton will never do it for me.

There were flashes of greatness last year with Thornton, but players today just dont seem to have the heart that they used to have. Maybe im just old. (im only 34)

I wish that I could tolerate the game the way it is played now, and I try to watch, but it is just so uninteresting. I envy you guys who still enjoy it.

joe's playing better as of late and he would be doing better if they would start calling the penelties that people do to him. how many times have pelelties been called when he's been basically tackled? not many.

Va Beach VH Fan
01-16-2004, 07:37 PM
LOL, you guys know me, you know I'd LOVE to agree with the sentiment that Lemieux was better than Gretzky....

But Bugger hit it right on the head....

Mario missed 3 years due to back surgeries and cancer, then another 3 years due to his retirement due to back problems...

There's just no way to say "what could have been"....

Had Mario been healthy those years, his numbers would have been very close to Wayne's....

And I've heard from many NHL players that although Wayne was more of a scorer, he couldn't touch Mario in terms of passing and 1-on-1 ability....

Hecubus
01-17-2004, 05:54 PM
Bump....Because this belongs above the Anti-hockey thread.

Full Bug
01-17-2004, 06:05 PM
You got that right bro, lol....:D
Jeremy Roenick will be back tonite, he is still bitter about what happened a few days ago, the Leafs better keep him in check.....

lucky wilbury
01-17-2004, 10:22 PM
it's got to be the panthers or the hurricanes

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story.asp?ID=68560

Report: NHL team approaches Winnipeg


TSN.ca Staff

1/17/2004

(TSN.ca) - The Winnipeg Sun is reporting that an unidentified NHL team has approached the City of Winnipeg about possible relocation.

Deputy mayor Don Vandal received a voice mail from a representative of an American-based club that is interested in potentially moving to Winnipeg. "They're asking 'How serious is Winnipeg, because we're in trouble," Vandal told the paper.

The reported team is not the Pittsburgh Penguins, a team that Vandal has courted in recent weeks, but he would confirm that it is a team that is not doing well financially.

Winnipeg hasn't had a team since the Jets left for Phoenix in 1996.

The news comes just after the Pittsburgh Penguins gave a firm 'Thanks, but no thanks,' to an invitation by the deputy mayor to move the team to Winnipeg.

Some diehard hockey fans said bring it on, while others said their passion for the league left town with the Jets when they moved to Phoenix and became the Coyotes in 1996.

Radio call-in shows, online chat groups and sports pundits jumped on the story, which had snowballed following the publication in the Sun of a letter Vandal wrote Penguins majority owner Mario Lemieux.

Hecubus
01-18-2004, 12:00 AM
I read that about Roenick today on ESPN.com

I can go either way on this one...
I was leaning towards "shut up & play" until he got his dental work rearranged, now I'm not so sure.
Either way, half of it has to be because he's playing under that pear Hitchcock.

SHARKS 2 AVS 1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BOO YAH!!!!

Take that Teemu.

Va Beach VH Fan
01-18-2004, 09:56 AM
No, it won't be the Penguins....

The main issue with the Pens is funding for the new arena....

They are very close to approving slots in Pennsylvania, which will generate income to a new arena in Pittsburgh and a new convention center in Philly....

There was a PA congressman on FSN 'Burgh saying it should be approved in a matter of weeks....

Now what happens with the CBA, who knows....

SilvioDante
01-19-2004, 08:07 AM
Here is the first I had heard about it...

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune-review/sports/penguinslive/archive/s_172675.html

I was worried it might be my Predators. But we are in sixth place and moving up. Things are great now...

Va Beach VH Fan
01-19-2004, 09:39 AM
Yeah, Nashville's gonna be a tough team in the years to come....

It may very well be Carolina.... I remember Poj saying how much money they're losing, combined with their current payroll...

Hecubus
01-21-2004, 11:40 PM
OH YEAH!!! MY SHARKS ARE ROLLIN'

Just got done with a spankin of the Coyotes in the first of a home & home series. Gonna be a helluva game tomorrow nite.

All you naysayers....watch the fuck out!!

Hecubus
01-23-2004, 10:59 PM
Jagr for Anson Carter?

Seems pretty lopsided. And how about being traded to the Caps? Carter must be saying whoop de fucking do. Poor guy.

SilvioDante
01-25-2004, 11:21 AM
I think it is great, I have tickets to see the Rangers next month and this will make it even better!!!

Hecubus
01-25-2004, 03:07 PM
9-1 tho last nite. OUCH!!!

They didn't add him for offense I know, but damn....
that was an arse kicking.

Va Beach VH Fan
01-25-2004, 08:41 PM
It's been the same problem for the Rangers for a long, long time....

Lack of a decent defense....

And for a team that has Poti, Leetch, and Kasparaitis for D-men already, that's pretty sad....

But, ya know, it could also be linked to the inability of their forwards to chip in on the defensive end.....

SilvioDante
01-25-2004, 10:02 PM
Your right Va... and if they are expecting Dunham to bail them out every night they are sadly mistaken. Trust me I know. He is a good goalie, but he can no carry a team long. Look at my Preds now, they are rolling since the trade. I wouldn't give up Vokoun for anything right now.

Well, maybe not anything....

Va Beach VH Fan
01-26-2004, 07:35 AM
I think the Rangers are gonna grab a goalie very soon... Dunham is still woozy with post-concussion stuff...

Maybe Kolzig or Burke....

BITEYOASS
01-27-2004, 11:09 AM
Yeah, it'll be Red Wings vs. Maple Leafs in the stanley cup final and it will be a 7 game match. But when you all lose, don't try any of that hockey riot shit in Detroit!

lucky wilbury
01-28-2004, 10:03 PM
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story.asp?ID=69986&hubName=nhl

Rangers Lindros suffers concussion

1/28/2004

NEW YORK (Ticker) - New York Rangers center Eric Lindros, whose once-brilliant career has been marred by injuries, suffered another concussion Wednesday.

Lindros had his head down along the boards in the neutral zone when he was nailed with a clean hit by Washington Capitals defenseman Jason Doig midway through the second period at Madison Square Garden.

The 6-5, 237-pound Lindros stayed on the ice and sought out Doig off the ensuing faceoff. The two exchanged punches and received five minutes major penalties for fighting.

Lindros, who turns 31 next month, finished the period but appeared dazed as he left the bench for the locker room and did not return. The team said he will be re-evaluated Thursday.

It is the latest in a long line of concussions for Lindros, who has been sidelined 109 games since the start of the 1996-97 season due to a variety of injuries.

Injury-free last season, Lindros was beset by a series of concussions in 1999-00, the last of which came with Philadelphia in Game Seven of the Eastern Conference finals.

One of the most hyped players to enter the NHL, Lindros won the Hart Trophy following the lockout-abbreviated 1994-95 campaign. The five-time All-Star was a force his first five seasons, totaling 436 points in 297 games.

Lindros also led the Flyers to the Stanley Cup Finals in 1997, but he feuded with general manager Bob Clarke before he was dealt to New York in August 2001.

In 39 games this season, Lindros has 10 goals and 22 assists.

Hecubus
01-28-2004, 11:40 PM
Talk aboot a broken record....

Hang up the skates, Eric.

Hecubus
02-03-2004, 11:54 PM
Anyone going to the All Star Game? I dig this game the best with baseball a close 2nd....

Bob_R
02-04-2004, 12:29 PM
How 'bout them Devils! They're right on the Flyers ass and they are playing well without Stevens. Boy, what a shot in the arm when he returns for the stretch run. :)

Hecubus
02-04-2004, 02:45 PM
Dude,
I've always been kind of a Devils fan, just because they're an exciting team to watch, but when they got a hold of my boy, longtime Shark Jeff Friesen, I was rooting for them to with the cup so he could get his name on it....

Helluva hockey team. Brodeur's the man. Scott Stevens (slowed by concussion) still a force to be reckoned with....

Va Beach VH Fan
02-04-2004, 09:13 PM
Originally posted by Hecubus
Dude, I've always been kind of a Devils fan, just because they're an exciting team to watch

Wait a second, are we talking about the same team ??

The New Jersey Devils, exciting to watch ??

Don't get me wrong, outstanding TEAM....

Brodeur is becoming one of the all-time greats...

But exciting ???

If you think the Devils are exciting, I'd imagine you just love all of these 2-1 games, right ?? :D

Hecubus
02-05-2004, 04:51 PM
Being a Sharks fan, I'm totally used to the low scoring games...and all of the ties for that matter...

Back in the day, though, when Daneyko (sp?) was on the blue line, those guys brought some serious wood in games.....

I do have pretty limited exposure to the Devils being out here in CA, but you're right, they're usually talking about Brodeur first & foremost.

ALinChainz
02-05-2004, 05:12 PM
Not to mention the attention The Great One brought to the sport. I'm not sure the value of that can be measured.

Not to mention the 200 point seasons, all I can STILL say is wow.

lucky wilbury
02-06-2004, 04:27 PM
since the skills comp is on tommorow and the all star game is sunday what is the best part of the skills comp?

Swampscott Dave
02-06-2004, 04:42 PM
Big Joe thornton will lead the Bruins to the cup. Murray,Samsanov, lokks good.

Hecubus
02-06-2004, 10:38 PM
Originally posted by lucky wilbury
since the skills comp is on tommorow and the all star game is sunday what is the best part of the skills comp?

Hardest shot is always popular with me...

That or the breakaway competition.

ALinChainz
02-06-2004, 10:46 PM
Always kind of interesting the speed comp also. See who has the wheels on the ice.

Va Beach VH Fan
02-07-2004, 02:32 PM
I agree with the hardest shot...

See if anyone cracks 100 again....

Gmoney
02-08-2004, 08:24 AM
Who owns the Chiefs........OOOWNS.......OOOOWNS!!

Trade me right fuckin' now!!

Va Beach VH Fan
02-08-2004, 10:01 AM
Damn, Souray and Aucoin both wind up and crank it up for 102.2 MPH....

Souray is having one hell of a year for the Habs....

SilvioDante
02-08-2004, 10:33 AM
What about that move my boy Kimmo put on in the breakaway contest??!!

ALinChainz
02-08-2004, 04:26 PM
Right before the drop of the puck starting the second period, Panama.

Gotta love a little classic VH with your hockey.

Dave IS VH
02-09-2004, 12:43 AM
Originally posted by ALinChainz
Right before the drop of the puck starting the second period, Panama.

Gotta love a little classic VH with your hockey.

I went to the game, and I was rocking out to that. LOL

Golden AWe
02-09-2004, 04:45 AM
Originally posted by Daves PA rental
Couple things...

Mario Lemieux is the greates hockey player ever. Better than Gretzky. I saw them both play at the Boston Garden.




My opinion is that Gretzky is the best player ever and Lemieux is the most gifted player ever...

My number one hero in hockey was a Bruin too...Number 77 Raymond Bourque...I'm so glad he finally got the Cup in Colorado...:)

Va Beach VH Fan
02-09-2004, 08:22 PM
I think if Mario doesn't get cancer and doesn't have his back go out of whack, he may not have passed Wayne in points, but I think he definitely would be known as the most dominant player ever....

Let's not forget, Wayne was on a much better Oilers team for the majority of his career, giving himself many more scoring opportunities, while Mario's first several years were on lousy Pens teams... Right after the Pens won the 2 Cups, he gets hurt and eventually retired for 3 1/2 years....

Golden AWe
02-10-2004, 04:59 PM
Hasek out for the season

Canadian Press

2/10/2004

DETROIT (AP) - Detroit Red Wings goaltender Dominik Hasek is out for the rest of the season and playoffs because of a recurring groin injury.

``That's it for the season,'' Hasek said Tuesday. ``I cannot handle anymore. My groin, it cannot handle it. I hoped for two months it would get better every day. But it didn't get better, it got even worse last week''

The 39-year-old Hasek, who returned to the Wings this season after a one-year retirement, has played just 14 games this season because of injuries. His record is 8-3-2 with a 2.20 goals-against average and .907 save percentage.

Hasek's absence leaves the goaltending duties to Curtis Joseph and Manny Legace.

Hasek does hope to play again after this season.

``He really feels that he needs an extended period of time to give the groin a chance to heal,'' Red Wings general manager Ken Holland said from the NHL meetings in Henderson, Nev.
``I think in the summertime he's going to decide whether he wants to officially retire,'' he added.

Hasek retired after Detroit won the 2002 Stanley Cup, and the Red Wings signed Joseph, a former Toronto Maple Leaf who was a free agent, to replace him.
But after the Red Wings were swept in the first round of the playoffs last year, the six-time Vezina Trophy winner and two-time league MVP came back.
Suddenly three was a crowd and the team tried to trade Joseph. But no team wanted to take Joseph and his $8-million US contract.
When Hasek was healthy, Detroit put Joseph on waivers and sent him to its AHL team in Grand Rapids twice.
Joseph, who has played well at times in Hasek's absence, has another year remaining on his contract.
``We're very, very lucky that he's been a real pro through this,'' Holland said. ``And luckily for us that nobody claimed him.''

Hasek is making $6 million this season.

Golden AWe
02-10-2004, 05:00 PM
Brain injury advocate to Lindros: quit

TSN.ca Staff

2/10/2004

An Albany-based attorney who leads an advocacy group for victims of brain injuries says Eric Lindros should not be allowed to play hockey again.
Michael Kaplen, the president of the Brain Injury Association of New York, says sports concussions and brain injuries in particular are underappreciated.

"How can I say... 'Retire him?' How do I have the nerve?" Kaplen tells the Daily News. "My answer is that I've seen thousands who have had the same injury and went back to play and had tragic consequences."

Two leading researchers in the field of sports-related concussions don't necessarily agree with Kaplen's conclusions.

"In my opinion, I don't think the actual number of concussions really is an issue," said Dr. Ira Casson, who is a member of the NFL's subcommittee on brain injury.

"I know that there are many people in the field who would probably think otherwise. I don't know what their number is, but they would probably say once you get to a certain number, you probably should stop."

Dr. Mark Lovell of the University of Pittsburgh, who has designed testing programs for both the NFL and NHL, agrees that there is no magic number. He says frequency of concussions and diminished resistance to lesser blows are key factors in determining whether a player should be permitted to return.

Lovell says since 25 months have passed between concussions for Lindros and the fact that a forceful blow was required to cause the latest one are potentially encouraging signs.

Lindros is currently recovering from his eighth documented concussion after he was bodychecked by Washington defenceman Jason Doig two weeks ago. He is currently under the care of noted neurologist Dr. Karen Johston.

Hecubus
02-15-2004, 11:00 PM
OK....

The Lindros thing is a no-brainer.........pun intended.


The Hasek thing....what a waste after the guy stirs up the biggest shit storm in Detroit this side of Barry Sanders retiring.....

Good for CuJo to feel some stability again....even if it ain't in his creaky old bones!!

Va Beach VH Fan
02-16-2004, 08:39 AM
Now it's not only Lindros, but possibly Roenick as well...

He's now had 9 concussions....

Hecubus
02-16-2004, 03:15 PM
And these days Roenick is the heart & soul of the Flyers. It's like he's been reborn.

It'll be interesting to see how they do tonite when my Sharks roll into town. Big brother Primeau still ailing? Little bro's on a tear....

Hecubus
02-16-2004, 03:16 PM
He scored on that breakaway, by the way.....

Va Beach VH Fan
02-16-2004, 07:24 PM
Yeah sure, now the fucker scores....

Wayne Primeau scored as much when he played for the Pens as Wayne Campbell....

Party on Wayne !!!!

Hecubus
02-16-2004, 08:21 PM
Ever see that fight between him & his brother? Good stuff. I hear their mom chewed their asses afterwards & made them promise to never do it again...

Bob_R
02-16-2004, 08:33 PM
Originally posted by Va Beach VH Fan
Now it's not only Lindros, but possibly Roenick as well...


Now this toally hurts me to say but maybe Scott Stevens as well.

:cry: :(

Hecubus
02-17-2004, 11:51 PM
Nah...Stevens will be back. He's tougher than those 2 combined.

lucky wilbury
02-18-2004, 06:18 PM
bondra goes to the sens for a prospect and a pick. i hope the sens implode.

Bob_R
02-18-2004, 09:30 PM
Originally posted by Hecubus
Nah...Stevens will be back. He's tougher than those 2 combined.

I hope you're right! :) And you are right on your second point. :)

Va Beach VH Fan
02-18-2004, 09:54 PM
Originally posted by lucky wilbury
bondra goes to the sens for a prospect and a pick. i hope the sens implode.

Bondra may be the most underrated player in the NHL...

True definition of a sniper....

lucky wilbury
02-19-2004, 12:53 AM
you know things aren't going well when the nhl launches a site like this: http://www.nhlcbanews.com/

SilvioDante
02-19-2004, 03:30 PM
I personally want to thank any and all Blackhawk fans, if there are any left, for Steve Sullivan. A hat-trick and and assist in his debut for the Preds!!

We might make the playoffs just yet....

BuzinBad
02-19-2004, 09:50 PM
I just read this 3 pages and I can tell I won't be popular for the team I love but I love the NHL and can't stand the thought of not having hockey. The NHL needs to pull their head out and realize they can't live through a strike. Look what it did to baseball. And hockey doesn't have the fan base they had.

Anyway I am a Dallas Stars fan and while we are looking like we might not make the playoffs I still love every game. As much as it pains me to say yes Hecubus the Sharks are playing well. The whole time we were winning we could not gain ground because the Sharks are kicking ass as well. Pray for no strike!

Hecubus
02-19-2004, 10:30 PM
Originally posted by SilvioDante
I personally want to thank any and all Blackhawk fans, if there are any left, for Steve Sullivan. A hat-trick and and assist in his debut for the Preds!!

We might make the playoffs just yet....

BAH!!!

An off nite for sure for my Sharkies....Redemption tonight against an easy mark....6-3 & out, baby.

Hecubus
02-19-2004, 10:32 PM
Originally posted by BuzinBad
I just read this 3 pages and I can tell I won't be popular for the team I love but I love the NHL and can't stand the thought of not having hockey. The NHL needs to pull their head out and realize they can't live through a strike. Look what it did to baseball. And hockey doesn't have the fan base they had.

Anyway I am a Dallas Stars fan and while we are looking like we might not make the playoffs I still love every game. As much as it pains me to say yes Hecubus the Sharks are playing well. The whole time we were winning we could not gain ground because the Sharks are kicking ass as well. Pray for no strike!

You & I are going to have some interesting conversations, bro. You fuckin' Stars fan you...or is it the Dallas SARS this year? Nyuk nyuk nyuk.... :D

I concur on the CBA...they've gotta get it done. I can't be without my hockey...

lucky wilbury
02-19-2004, 10:58 PM
http://nhl.com/onthefly/news/2004/02/204060.html

Flyers acquire Zhamnov from Blackhawks


CHICAGO (AP) - The Philadelphia Flyers acquired center Alex Zhamnov from Chicago on Thursday for center Colin Fraser, defenseman Jim Vandermeer and a second-round pick in the June draft.

Zhamnov, 33, had back surgery early in the season and has missed 35 games. In 23 games, he had six goals and 12 assists.

"Alex Zhamnov is a real pro and a player who has given his heart and soul to the Blackhawks over the past eight seasons," Blackhawks general manager Bob Pulford said.

Fraser is playing for Red Deer in the junior Western Hockey League, while Vandermeer has split time between the Flyers and the Philadelphia Phantoms of the AHL. He has three goals in 23 games.

"We have acquired two players who we feel fit the direction we are going," Pulford said.

The Blackhawks, second to last in the 30-team NHL, also traded their leading scorer, Steve Sullivan, to Nashville on Monday for two second-round draft picks.

lucky wilbury
02-20-2004, 04:13 PM
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story.asp?id=72973

Avalanche acquire Boughner from 'Canes

TSN.ca Staff


2/20/2004

The Colorado Avalanche have acquired defenceman Bob Boughner from the Carolina Hurricanes for Washington's third round draft pick and prospect Chris Bahen.


The 32-year-old blueliner has no goals and five assists with a -9 rating this season with Carolina. He will some defensive toughness to the Avalanche back line that boasts the offensive talents of Adam Foote, Rob Blake, Derek Morris and Martin Skoula.

Boughner was a second round draft pick by the Detroit Red Wings in 1989 but did not debut in the NHL until 1995-96 as a member of the Buffalo Sabres.

After stints in Nashville and Pittsburgh, the Windsor, Ontari native enjoyed his most productive offensive season with the Calgary Flames last season, scoring three goals and adding 14 assists.

Hecubus
02-20-2004, 11:41 PM
Yup. I was waiting for things to start shifting around....

The Avs always try & pick someone up for insurance purposes....

lucky wilbury
02-21-2004, 04:14 PM
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story.asp?ID=73083&hubName=nhl

Avs acquire Sauer; part with Skoula


TSN.ca Staff

2/21/2004

DENVER, Colo. - The Colorado Avalanche has acquired defenseman Kurt Sauer and a fourth round draft choice in the 2005 Entry Draft from the Mighty Ducks of Anaheim. In return, the Avalanche gave up the services of Martin Skoula.

"We are excited to add a defenseman of Kurt's size and ability to our roster," said Colorado Avalanche President and General Manager Pierre Lacroix. "At 23, Kurt is a young player already possessing over a year's worth of NHL regular season and playoff experience. We expect him to be a strong contributor on our blue line for many years to come."

Drafted by the Avalanche in the 3rd round (88th overall) in 2000, Sauer signed as a free agent with the Mighty Ducks in 2002.

In 55 games played with the Mighty Ducks this season, Sauer has notched one goal and four assists with 32 penalty minutes while logging an average of 16:53 in ice time. During his rookie campaign in 2002-03, Sauer collected a goal and two assists in 80 contests, including a goal and an assist in 21 playoff games.

Bob_R
02-22-2004, 07:20 PM
Going to the NJ vs. Penguins game on March 17th. Got tix half price from the Cub Scouts. My oldest son and I are going.

VA Beach VH Fan: The Pens are sinking faster than the Titanic. What's going on?

Bob_R
02-22-2004, 08:46 PM
18 losses in a row!! Holy shit !!

Hecubus
02-23-2004, 12:12 AM
Holy shit is right. So what's really on Mario's mind besides the CBA, & the losses, & the injuries..&.....

Damn...

BuzinBad
02-23-2004, 02:28 PM
Originally posted by Hecubus
You & I are going to have some interesting conversations, bro. You fuckin' Stars fan you...or is it the Dallas SARS this year? Nyuk nyuk nyuk.... :D

I concur on the CBA...they've gotta get it done. I can't be without my hockey...

Well they started as SARS but they are quickly coming back to STARS. Like I said we just can't keep up because when we win the Sharks win. Will make for an interesting end to the regular season. Normally it isn't very interesting having the playoffs rapped up early. Guess those days are gone for us. Good luck. I don't hate the Sharks as much as I hated Marchment. F'n dirty playing prick. But that is another conversation.

Va Beach VH Fan
02-23-2004, 08:54 PM
Originally posted by Hecubus
Holy shit is right. So what's really on Mario's mind besides the CBA, & the losses, & the injuries..&.....

Damn...

As I said when Von was busting my balls at DDLR, they've been in nearly every game during this streak.... EVH Fanatic, trust me, you and your boy are going to enjoy it, the Pens play extremely hard, and play Jersey really well... Don't be surprised if the game is closer than you think....

I've watched every game this year except for one, and that was because I was with Pojo in Greensboro for Aerosmith/KISS....

Now that's a true fan, boys....

The Penguins' problems ?? Christ, this may take a while....

1. CBA - First and foremost, the NHL will not survive with a crooked system like baseball has... If they don't fix it now, not only will the Pens be gone, but about 5 others also...

2. New arena - I think this will happen, it depends on the approval of slot machines in the state... People love to gamble no matter what state they live in....

3. Scouting/Drafts - Have absolutely fucking sucked for quite a while now.... Outside of the last couple of years, they haven't had a decent draft, not even a decent #1 pick, in quite a long time.... The last few years have been good though, with Fleury this year, and hopefully Ovechkin next year....

4. Trades - Have absolutely fucking sucked for quite a while now (didn't I just say that ??)... Lemme put it to you this way, I actually got excited last week when we traded Berehowsky for Ric Jackman !!! (Seriously, we made out on that deal)....

But here's what killed the Penguins.... OK, it's a given, they had to get rid of Jagr, Kovalev, Lang, and Straka because they couldn't afford them any longer....

First, they trade Jagr to the Capitals... OK, that's understandable, the Caps HAD money back then... But who did they get for him ?? Kris Beech, Michael Sivek, and Ross Lupaschuk.... Beech is a major underachiever and still in the minors, Sivek is even worse.... Lupa looks like he may make it, he's got a cannon as a D-man....

Then last year, it was time for Kovalev to go to the Rangers.... Who did they get in that blockbuster deal ?? Rico Fata, who had about 9 goals right off the bat and was leading Kovalev in scoring for quite a while, but has extremely cooled off.... Mikael Samuelsson, a very average forward who went to Florida in the Fleury deal on draft day....Joel Bouchard, who got released by the Pens and signed back on with the Rangers !!!.... And Richard Litner, who didn't even play one season with the Pens before going back to Europe to play....

Lang left as a F.A., but fuckin' Craig Patrick didn't trade him before the deadline, foolishly thinking they'd make the playoffs....

Straka's deal may end up to be a good one... They got Martin Strbak, who looks to be a good D-man, until he broke his foot, and Russian prospect Sergei Anshakov, who many believe outplayed his teammate Ovechkin at the World Junior Championships.....

And finally, that leads us to Mario... As many of you know, bad-mouthing Mario is like sacreligious in Pittsburgh, it just doesn't happen... But the past couple of years, his injuries have been extremely questioned in the 'Burgh... First, he gets hurt and sits out the year until he plays for the Olympics... Now, he will sit out the year and will supposedly be ready for the 2004 World Cup of Hockey.... In addition, his complete silence since he got hurt in November has been harshly criticized... He hasn't said one word to the fans....

So in summary, yes, they are taking some major lumps now obviously... But hopefully with a new CBA, new arena, and their several excellent prospects maturing, they'll be a force sooner than you think....

Hecubus
02-25-2004, 12:14 AM
If they survive the CBA....

It would be pretty hard to picture the league without the Pens, especially when a couple of the expansion teams would survive...

1. Salary Cap (Tough shit. There should be one in every sport)
2. Get rid of the instigator rule
3. Let the goalies handle the puck outside the crease, but make 'em fair game
4. Move the trade deadline out so there's not so much rent-a-player happening....

Bob_R
02-25-2004, 11:04 AM
Good points bro! You should replace Bettmann as commish.

Sucka
02-25-2004, 06:22 PM
Originally posted by Hecubus
If they survive the CBA....

It would be pretty hard to picture the league without the Pens, especially when a couple of the expansion teams would survive...

1. Salary Cap (Tough shit. There should be one in every sport)
2. Get rid of the instigator rule
3. Let the goalies handle the puck outside the crease, but make 'em fair game
4. Move the trade deadline out so there's not so much rent-a-player happening....


All great points. Not sure about the trade deadline thing, but if you get a hard cap in there, that should take care of all the trading. It'll make it like the NBA where it's tough too move high end guys, cause you have too match up the salary's and what not.

I'm with you on the instigator rule for sure. You get rid of that bullshit rule, and i'll be you the stick infractions go down by a mile, and so well concussions cause guys wont be out there taking liberties.

What do you guys think of making it mandatory for guys too wear sheilds?

Va Beach VH Fan
02-25-2004, 07:50 PM
I don't know if I'd make it mandatory, but how about bumping up the high sticking penalty to 4 minutes, with another 2 for blood ??

Bob_R
02-25-2004, 08:11 PM
Originally posted by Sucka
All great points. Not sure about the trade deadline thing, but if you get a hard cap in there, that should take care of all the trading. It'll make it like the NBA where it's tough too move high end guys, cause you have too match up the salary's and what not.

I'm with you on the instigator rule for sure. You get rid of that bullshit rule, and i'll be you the stick infractions go down by a mile, and so well concussions cause guys wont be out there taking liberties.

What do you guys think of making it mandatory for guys too wear sheilds?

Hey welcome aboard Sucka! :) :killer: :bananna:

Sucka
02-25-2004, 09:11 PM
Thanks Fanataic! Bout time I headed over this way and see what you guys were up too.

About the high sticking, I think a mandatory 4 mins would be good, but I never liked the blood thing. You either get high sticked or ya dont. Blood shouldnt determine the amount of time ya have too spend in the box IMO. Now if it's a McCsorley job like what he did too Brashear years ago, then yea more mins should be asessed.

Hecubus
02-27-2004, 01:05 AM
If not 4 minutes for high sticking, make them serve the entire two minutes regardless of goals scored.

lucky wilbury
02-27-2004, 01:16 AM
if thats the case why not make all penelties that way. i'd also like to throw in if one player takes his hand of his stick and either a:hold the other players stick b: grabs the other player that it gets called. grant it it's in the rules now but it's not called.

lucky wilbury
02-27-2004, 02:09 PM
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story.asp?ID=74026&hubName=nhl

Red Wings acquire Lang


TSN.ca Staff

2/27/2004

The Red Wings have done it again. TSN has learned that Detroit has acquired centre Robert Lang from the Washington Capitals for Tomas Fleischmann, a first round pick in 2004 and a fourth round pick in 2006.

Lang is tied for the NHL lead in scoring with 74 points (29 goals, 45 assists). In eleven NHL seasons, Lang has played in 640 games, tallied 173 goals and dished out 289 assists. Lang has been in Washington the past two seasons and spent nearly four seasons with the Pittsburgh Penguins. He has also spent time with the Boston Bruins and Los Angeles Kings.

The 19-year-old Fleischmann is among the WHL's leading scorers, with 28 goals and 69 points in 53 games with the Moose Jaw Warriors this season.

ALinChainz
02-27-2004, 04:28 PM
Got to like it if you're a Wings fan. And I am.

Va Beach VH Fan
02-27-2004, 08:31 PM
I just gotta giggle watching the Caps turn into the second-generation Penguins....

But I will say this, at least the Caps got a good return for Lang....

They traded Jagr and all they got back was the overrated Anson Carter....

I think Gonchar will be gone to Toronto by the end of the weekend, they scratched him tonight, saying he had the "flu"....

lucky wilbury
02-27-2004, 10:34 PM
one of the deals for Gonchar is samsonov,jillson and 1st round pick. if they send sammy out i swear i'll kick the crap out of mike o connel myself

ALinChainz
02-27-2004, 10:57 PM
It is interesting to see how some of these clubs are handling business with the upcoming labor dispute looming over everyone. I think that it will make for an very intense playoff season this year.

Va Beach VH Fan
02-28-2004, 08:40 AM
In that respect Al, the Pens prepared for the lockout well...

They knew they wouldn't be able to keep the big contracts (Jagr, Kovalev, Lang, Straka) with the uncertain status of the CBA, so they got rid of them in time to establish a core group of promising youngsters on the roster when the CBA expires....

I guess the thinking is with a kindler/gentler CBA for all of the clubs, they can afford to keep their prospects when they mature and start producing...

ALinChainz
02-28-2004, 11:12 AM
I am getting the feeling that this strike/lockout will be just as bad, if not worse than the one in 1995. This could get ugly, with players threatening to play over seas.

Although, I will admit that the reduced schedule that season of 50 games almost made every game a playoff game.

SilvioDante
02-28-2004, 11:22 AM
ESPN the Magazine, in its last edition, said in one of their "insider" deals said that no one will go on record and say it, but NHL officials are preparing for a 18 month lockout/strike.

18 months!!! Most teams might not make it thru that.

ALinChainz
02-28-2004, 12:02 PM
What gets me is that even the successful teams, Ottawa for example, one the elite in the East, but bankrupt. And I agree with that, some teams make not make it through that period of time.

I know I am going to make it a point to enjoy the hockey we have this season, it may be awhile after that.

Va Beach VH Fan
02-29-2004, 08:00 PM
Break up the Penguins !!!!!!

Two out of three, they're rolling now !!!!!

Penguins 3, Islanders 2, OT
Feb. 29, 2004

UNIONDALE, N.Y. (AP) Ryan Malone scored 2:45 into overtime to give the Pittsburgh Penguins a come-from-behind 3-2 victory Sunday over the New York Islanders.

Malone picked up a rebound of Alexei Morozov's shot and beat Garth Snow to give the Penguins their second overtime victory in three games after losing a team-record 18 straight (0-17-0-1). They haven't won in regulation since winning at Philadelphia on Jan. 12 and have dropped an NHL-record 14 straight at home.

Pittsburgh ended its three-game road trip 2-1 and will try to earn their first home victory since Dec. 29 when they play the Islanders again on Tuesday. New York started the Penguins' home losing streak with 6-1 win on New Year's Eve.

Tomas Surovy and Ric Jackman also scored for the Penguins, who got 38 saves from Andy Chiodo.

Janne Niinimaa and Oleg Kvasha scored and Snow made 20 saves for the eighth-place Islanders, who are two points behind Montreal in the Eastern Conference playoff race.

The Penguins killed off four penalties in the first period, including a two-man disadvantage that lasted 1:28 and yielded only one shot. But Pittsburgh gave up a goal on the Islanders' last shot of the period, a slap shot from the right point by Niinimaa with 5.2 seconds left.

Surovy tied it 68 seconds into the middle period. Milan Kraft won a faceoff back to Surovy, whose one-timer struck the crossbar and dropped in behind Snow.

The Islanders took back the lead during Pittsburgh's first power-play chance. Chiodo stopped Kvasha's initial shot from the left side, but the Islanders forward knocked the rebound in at 12:14 for his career-best 14th goal of the season.

Pittsburgh fared much better on its next power play, scoring four seconds into the advantage to tie it with 34.9 seconds left in the period.

Off a right circle faceoff, Kraft drew the puck back to Dick Tarnstrom, who crossed it over to Jackman for a slap shot that beat Snow high.

Notes: Islanders captain Michael Peca missed his second straight game due to a gash on his leg, sustained Thursday when he was struck by a puck. ... New York was 7-2-3 in its previous 12 home games with both losses coming to the Ranges. ... Last season, the Penguins lost 308 man-games due to injury after 64 contests. This season, the number has dropped to 219. ... The Islanders lead the season series 3-0-1-1 with one game remaining.

lucky wilbury
03-03-2004, 12:36 AM
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story.asp?ID=74683&hubName=nhl

Canadiens obtain Kovalev from Rangers

3/2/2004

MONTREAL (CP-AP) - The Montreal Canadiens added some much needed scoring help to their lineup Tuesday night by acquiring winger Alexei Kovalev from the New York Rangers.

In return, the Canadiens sent prospect Josef Balej and a 2004 second-round pick to the Rangers, who are on their way to a seventh straight season out of the playoffs.

Montreal, meanwhile, is currently seventh in the Eastern Conference with 76 points, 11 points up on Florida for the final playoff spot.

``Our team has shown perseverance and strength throughout this season,'' Canadiens general manager Bob Gainey said in a release. ``The opportunity to support the pursuit of our goal of making the playoffs by acquiring a veteran NHL player was presented to us and we have taken on that opportunity.''

Kovalev is earning $6.6 million US this year and will become an unrestricted free agent on July 1, so his stay in Montreal may be short.

The Canadiens hope it will be long enough to take them deep into the playoffs. Team president Pierre Boivin announced last week that Montreal must reach the third round of the post-season to break even this year.

In Kovalev, Montreal gets a potent forward who has scored 30 or more goals each of the last three seasons. The 32-year-old is also a veteran who won a Stanley Cup with the Rangers in 1994.

This season, he has 13 goals and 42 points in 66 games.

``I expected that they were going to trade me,'' Kovalev said. ``They talked about it a lot, rumours have been around for a while about most of the guys.

``I knew that eventually I was going to go somewhere, so I was ready for that. I tried to still play for this organization. You can't just stop playing, so I kept working hard. Now I am just going to another team to do my best.''

Balej, 22, was selected in the third round of the 2000 draft by the Canadiens. He leads the Hamilton Bulldogs - Montreal's American Hockey League affiliate - in every offensive category this year, scoring 25 goals and 58 points in 55 games.

The trade was Gainey's first since taking over the general manager's job in Montreal last summer. It also marks the start of what is expected to be a busy week in New York, as the struggling Rangers try and offload some of their high-priced players before the March 9 trading deadline.

New York general manager Glen Sather announced last week when he gave up his coaching duties that changes were about to take place.

It was the second time Kovalev was traded away by the Rangers. He was reacquired by New York from Pittsburgh on Feb. 10, 2003, after scoring 149 goals in parts of five seasons with the Penguins, playing much of the time with Mario Lemieux and Jaromir Jagr.

However, he had just 23 goals and 32 assists in 90 games during his second stay in New York.

``He's a good player, but for whatever reason - whether it was the chemistry or the mix - it just didn't work,'' Rangers assistant GM Don Maloney said.

Kovalev couldn't apply his scoring touch with the Rangers, the team with which he spent his first six-plus seasons.

``I have to do better than I did before,'' Kovalev said after New York's 4-3 loss Tuesday night to Atlanta. ``I came in and I was happy, and I wish I could have done better with this organization. But I guess it didn't work for me.

``Right now I don't want to hurt a team anymore and I guess it's just time for me to move.''

In 837 career games with the Rangers and Penguins, Kovalev has scored 291 goals and 677 points.

lucky wilbury
03-03-2004, 01:24 PM
you knew something was up when morrison was out of the game last night with an injury that no one saw happen. don't know if this is a good deal for the b's. the d core is pretty good but they still need a second line center! get a center!

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story.asp?ID=74738&hubName=nhl

Gonchar dealt to Bruins


TSN.ca Staff with CP files


3/3/2004

After shipping out Jaromir Jagr, Peter Bondra and Robert Lang, the Washington Capitals have dumped some more salary - this time off their own blueline - sending defenceman Sergei Gonchar to the Boston Bruins in exchange for defenceman Shaone Morrisonn and a first and second round draft pick in the 2004 Entry Draft.

"The addition of Sergei makes us a better hockey club,'' Bruins general manager Mike O'Connell said in a statement.

"He is one of the premier offensive defencemen in the game and that was an element that we felt needed upgrading on our team. He moves the puck very well, has great awareness on the ice and will be a great addition to our power play.''

Gonchar is in the final year of a four-year, $13.95 million US contract that pays him $3,650,000 this season.

The 29-year old veteran has seven goals and 49 points this season, leading all NHL defenceman in scoring.

"Sergei Gonchar is an outstanding player, but given the uncertainty we are all facing next season and his impending unrestricted free agency thereafter, we thought it best to make the move to acquire young assets now," said McPhee.

The 10-year veteran was taken 14th overall in the 1992 NHL Entry Draft by the Capitals. He made his NHL debut in the 1994-95 season and scored seven points as a rookie. He led all Capitals' defencemen in scoring over the next two seasons and led the team's blueline with 11 playoff points as the Capitals went the Stanley Cup Final in 1998.

In 1998-99, Gonchar played just 53 games, and led team defencemen with 21 goals and 31 points. He also led the Capitals with 13 power play goals and was the first Russian defenceman to score 20 goals in an NHL season.

In 1999-2000, Gonchar finished the season with a team best +26 rating and became the second defenceman in team history to score a hat trick.

Morrisonn, a Vancouver native, had one goal, seven assists and a plus-10 rating in 30 games with the Bruins this season. He's the kind of young NHL defenceman Caps GM George McPhee was insisting had to be part of any Gonchar trade.

"Shaone Morrisonn was the best young defenceman available and the player we wanted," McPhee added. "We are pleased to have him and expect him to be one of our top four defencemen for a very long time."

Morrisonn, chosen 19th overall by Boston in the 2001 entry draft, is six foot three and 205 pounds, a big, mobile defenceman McPhee was looking for as he rebuilds the Caps.

lucky wilbury
03-03-2004, 06:26 PM
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story.asp?ID=74788&hubName=nhl

Oilers acquire Nedved and Markkanen


TSN.ca Staff

3/3/2004

New York Rangers President and General Manager Glen Sather announced today that the club has acquired forward Dwight Helminen, a second round selection in the 2004 NHL Entry Draft and goaltender Stephen Valiquette from the Edmonton Oilers in exchange for centre Petr Nedved and goaltender Jussi Markkanen.

Helminen, 20, has skated in 32 games this season for University of Michigan Wolverines of the Central Collegiate Hockey Association (CCHA), registering 13 goals and 10 assists for 23 points, along with four penalty minutes. He currently ranks second on the Wolverines with 13 goals and ranks fifth on the team with 23 points. On January 10, Helminen tallied a career-high four goals on four shots in Michigans 7-1 victory over Ohio State. He was named CCHA Offensive Player of the Week with a three-point series against Ohio State on November 14 and 15.

The 6-0, 200-pounder has appeared in 110 career contests with the University of Michigan Wolverines, collecting 40 goals and 34 assists for 74 points, along with 48 penalty minutes. During the 2002-03 regular season, he registered 17 goals and 16 assists for 33 points. He finished the season tied for the third on the team with 33 points and posted career-bests in all scoring categories. In 2003 post-season play, Helminen tied for the team lead in post-season scoring with six goals and one assist for seven points, leading to his selection to the CCHA Super Six All-Tournament team. Internationally, Helminen has represented the United States at the 2002 and 2003 IIHF World Junior Championships.

The native of Hancock, Michigan was originally Edmontons eighth round selection, 244th overall, in the 2002 NHL Entry Draft.

Valiquette, 26, has appeared in 35 matches this season with the Toronto Roadrunners of the American Hockey League (AHL), posting a record of 14-14-5, along with a 2.59 goals against average. He also appeared in one game with Edmonton this season. In seven career NHL matches with Edmonton and the New York Islanders, he has registered a record of 2-0-0, along with a 2.32 goals against average.

The 6-5, 205-pound goaltender signed as a free agent with Edmonton on July 20, 2003. He was originally drafted by the Los Angeles Kings as their eighth choice, 190th overall, in the 1996 NHL Entry Draft.

Nedved, 32, has appeared in 65 games for the Rangers this season, registering 14 goals and 17 assists for 31 points, along with 42 penalty minutes. In 478 career games with the Rangers, Nedved collected 149 goals and 202 assists for 351 points, along with 312 penalty minutes.

Markkanen, 28, has appeared in 26 matches with New York this season, posting a mark of 8-12-1, along with a 2.56 goals against average.

Va Beach VH Fan
03-03-2004, 08:21 PM
And the hits keep on comin....

Maple Leafs acquire Brian Leetch

TSN.ca Staff

3/3/2004

The Toronto Maple Leafs announced Wednesday evening that the hockey club has acquired defenceman Brian Leetch and a conditional draft choice from the New York Rangers in exchange for defenceman Max Kondratiev, forward Jarkko Immonen, Toronto's first-round pick in the 2004 Entry Draft and the team's second-round pick in 2005.

"Brian has been a premier defenceman in this league since first coming into the league," said GM John Ferguson. "We look forward to having a player with his great credentials joining our group."

Leetch, 36, has played 57 games for the New York Rangers this season collecting 36 points (13 goals, 23 assists) with 24 penalty minutes. He ranks fifth in the NHL in average ice time (26:14) and 10th among NHL defencemen in points. Leetch leads the team in powerplay points (19) and average ice time as well as leading all team defencemen in goals, assists, points and shots (165).

The native of Corpus Christi, Texas has captured the James Norris Memorial Trophy on two occasions (1992, 1997), the Calder Memorial Trophy in 1989 and the Conn Smythe Trophy in 1994. He has been named to the NHL First All-Star Team twice (1992, 1997) and to the NHL Second All-Star Team three times (1991, 1994, 1996). Leetch was named to the NHL All-Rookie Team in 1989 and has played in nine NHL All-Star Games (1990, 1991, 1992, 1994, 1996, 1997, 1998, 2001, 2002). He won the Stanley Cup with the New York Rangers in 1994.

Va Beach VH Fan
03-03-2004, 08:25 PM
And while I'm on the topic of the Maple Leafs....

Yo, Full Bugger, you gotta answer this one....

Why oh why is it that EVERY hockey website in Canada says that the Maple Leafs are interested in EVERY player on the trading block ???

I sometimes laugh out loud reading this stuff....

It sure as hell seems like that, every major player whose rumored to get traded, "Toronto has expressed an interest in.....", or some shit like that....

Bob_R
03-04-2004, 06:52 AM
Wow, the Leafs got Leetch. Full Bug must be as happy as a pig in shit.

ALinChainz
03-04-2004, 12:06 PM
Bruins acquire C Nylander from Capitals


March 4, 2004


BOSTON (Ticker) - After bolstering their blue line by acquiring Sergei Gonchar, the Boston Bruins again turned to the Washington Capitals on Thursday as they acquired center Michael Nylander for a second-round pick in the 2006 draft.

Nylander and Gonchar both are expected to play Thursday night, when Boston hosts the New York Islanders.

The 31-year-old Nylander missed the first 63 games of the season with a broken right leg and has two assists in three contests.

"Michael is a proven center who gives us an additional offensive threat," Bruins general manager Mike O'Connell said. "He has fullly healed from his injury and we look forward to having him on our team."

Nylander has played 633 games with five different teams and has 139 goals and 296 assists. In 24 playoff games, the 6-1, 195-pound Swede has three goals and 11 assists.

"Michael is a good player," Capitals general manager George McPhee said. "It's unfortunate that he missed most of this year with an injury, but he wanted an opportunity to play in the playoffs. Given the status of his unrestricted free agency this summer and our reluctance to enter into new contracts until we know what the new collective bargaining agreement holds, we felt it in his best interest to acquire an asset for Michael at this time."

On Wednesday, the Bruins acquired Gonchar from Washington for defenseman Shaone Morrisonn and first- and second-round picks in the 2004 draft. The Capitals have traded away Jaromir Jagr, Peter Bondra, Robert Lang and Steve Konowalchuk this season and have three first-round first picks in the 2004 draft.

Full Bug
03-04-2004, 12:25 PM
Originally posted by Va Beach VH Fan
And while I'm on the topic of the Maple Leafs....

Yo, Full Bugger, you gotta answer this one....

Why oh why is it that EVERY hockey website in Canada says that the Maple Leafs are interested in EVERY player on the trading block ???

I sometimes laugh out loud reading this stuff....

It sure as hell seems like that, every major player whose rumored to get traded, "Toronto has expressed an interest in.....", or some shit like that....
Not really sure, I dont write that stuff.....The only thing I can guess it that everyone here knows Toronto has been looking to improve their defence....

Full Bug
03-04-2004, 12:27 PM
Originally posted by EVH FANATIC
Wow, the Leafs got Leetch. Full Bug must be as happy as a pig in shit.
Hell yes, he can only improve our team, his points this year have been decent....

Full Bug
03-04-2004, 12:40 PM
Hey Beach, did you know we have a Maple Leafs TV channel here? All Leafs news all the time, it comes with my cable package, although I dont really watch it much, I am more interested in watching the games....

knuckleboner
03-04-2004, 12:49 PM
well, before the league folds, i'm just waiting on us to trade the rest of our hockey sticks, pucks, and the "capitals" name to some team.

at our current pace, we'll be able to field an entire team of future draft picks by the trade deadline.

lucky wilbury
03-04-2004, 12:56 PM
a second line center! finally! what a line: samsonov nylander bergeron hell yeah!

Va Beach VH Fan
03-04-2004, 07:26 PM
Originally posted by Full Bug
Hey Beach, did you know we have a Maple Leafs TV channel here? All Leafs news all the time, it comes with my cable package, although I dont really watch it much, I am more interested in watching the games....

Does not surprise me AT ALL Bug....

Don't get me wrong, I love how you Canucks present a hockey telecast... Good close ups, microphones close to the ice, great intermission reports, everything...

Va Beach VH Fan
03-04-2004, 07:27 PM
Originally posted by knuckleboner
well, before the league folds, i'm just waiting on us to trade the rest of our hockey sticks, pucks, and the "capitals" name to some team.

Damn, that sounds familiar, but I just can't put my finger on where I heard that before....

Something about trading Jagr, Kovalev, Straka and letting Lang go....

:D

Hecubus
03-04-2004, 11:41 PM
Hey Bug,

How have my boys Nolan & Marchment been received up there?

Bob_R
03-05-2004, 10:26 AM
Leetch started his Maple Leafs' career with 3 assists. Not bad, not bad at all.

Golden AWe
03-05-2004, 10:40 AM
As a Capitals-fan I'm actually happy that this firesale happened...several years with a huge payroll, and not getting past the 1st round of the playoffs...considering there will be a new NHLPA/NHL-agreement meeting, dramatic things might happen considering the salaries and stuff...so it's not necessarily such a bad thing to rebuild now...

Full Bug
03-05-2004, 11:08 AM
Originally posted by Hecubus
Hey Bug,

How have my boys Nolan & Marchment been received up there?
Pretty good, Nolan is more popular then Marchment I would say.....

Full Bug
03-05-2004, 11:11 AM
Originally posted by EVH FANATIC
Leetch started his Maple Leafs' career with 3 assists. Not bad, not bad at all.
Yeah, he had a great start, and the fans really got into him right away, near the end they were shouting at him to shoot more instead of pass so he could finish the night with a goal.....

Va Beach VH Fan
03-05-2004, 08:19 PM
Originally posted by Golden AWe
As a Capitals-fan I'm actually happy that this firesale happened...several years with a huge payroll, and not getting past the 1st round of the playoffs...

'Cause you kept gettin' your ass smacked by the Pens baby !!!!!

:D

lucky wilbury
03-06-2004, 02:20 AM
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story.asp?ID=75124&hubName=nhl

Flyers thump Senators in slugfest


Associated Press

3/5/2004

PHILADELPHIA (AP) - For one night, the Philadelphia Flyers turned back into the Broad Street Bullies.

Claude Lapointe and Mark Recchi scored 30 seconds apart in the first period, helping the Flyers beat the Ottawa Senators 5-3 Friday night in a game that featured five consecutive brawls in the final two minutes and set an NHL record with 419 penalty minutes.

``We're not scared of Ottawa and we're not intimidated by their talent,'' Flyers goaltender Robert Esche said.

Officials needed about 90 minutes after the game ended to sort the penalties. The previous record for penalty minutes was 406 by the Minnesota North Stars and Boston Bruins in 1981. The Flyers had 213 minutes and Ottawa had 206.

After the game, Philadelphia general manager Bob Clarke, captain of the Broad Street Bullies teams of the 1970s, went toward Ottawa's dressing room, but was stopped by Flyers officials.

``Their tough guy (Rob Ray) got beat up and then their next two lines fought guys who don't fight,'' Flyers coach Ken Hitchcock said. ``I don't care what it shows them. We played a great game.''

Danny Markov, Kim Johnsson and Alexei Zhamnov also scored for Philadelphia, which snapped a five-game winless streak (0-3-2) against Ottawa. The Flyers were eliminated from the playoffs by the Senators the last two seasons, and were 3-10-3 against them since a 1-0 victory in Game 1 of the 2002 Eastern Conference quarter-finals.

Philadelphia remained tied for first place in the East with Tampa Bay.

Chris Neil, Zdeno Chara and Peter Bondra scored for Ottawa, which fell four points behind the conference leaders.

``I thought we competed hard and I don't know what happened at the end,'' Senators coach Jacques Martin said.

Philadelphia enforcer Donald Brashear and Ray started the fighting by dropping their gloves with 1:45 left. As they skated off the ice, the rest of the players joined in, including the goalies as Ottawa's Patrick Lalime skated the length of the ice to go after Esche.

Once play resumed, all the players, except the new goalies, immediately went after each other. At the next faceoff, Philadelphia's Michal Handzus and Ottawa's Mike Fisher went at it. Another fight broke out 30 seconds later. Finally, Philadelphia's Patrick Sharp and Ottawa's Jason Spezza finished it off.

The bad blood between the teams stems from Senators forward Martin Havlat hitting Recchi in the face with his stick in a game last week. Havlat played his first game after being suspended two games by the NHL. He sat in the penalty box while the fights took place.

The Flyers had seven players remaining and Ottawa had six as the game ended.

``Why wouldn't I start it? Did you see the last game?'' Brashear said. ``I fought a tough guy. They went after guys who don't fight. I could've fought one of their good players and hurt them, but I didn't.''

The teams meet again in Philadelphia on April 2.

``Obviously my teammates didn't forget what happened last week,'' Recchi said.

Lapointe tied it at 1 midway through the first period with his fourth goal. His shot from the side of the left circle near the boards went off Lalime's glove and in.

Recchi scored his 25th goal into an open net a half-minute later after Lalime failed to control rebounds on consecutive shots by John LeClair.

The Flyers took a 3-1 lead later in the period when Markov took a slap shot that Neil deflected with his glove while trying to knock it down, redirecting it past Lalime.

A power-play goal by Johnsson, his third goal in two games, made it 4-1 early in the second period.

``It wasn't a great game, but our guys stood up there,'' Senators defenceman Wade Redden said.

Neil gave the Senators a 1-0 lead just 4:07 in with his eighth goal. Chara one-timed a shot past Esche for his 15th goal, cutting the deficit to 4-2 in the second period.

Zhamnov made it 5-2 with his 10th goal in the third period. Zhamnov has nine points in seven games with the Flyers since he was acquired from Chicago last month to help fill the void at centre created by injuries to all-stars Jeremy Roenick and Keith Primeau.

Va Beach VH Fan
03-06-2004, 08:51 AM
I watched the highlights of that game, what a slugfest !!!

It was like this;

Long scrum/fight near the goal...

Faceoff, then immediately fight again.....

Faceoff, then immediately fight again.....

Faceoff, then immediately fight again.....

It was great !!!!

Golden AWe
03-06-2004, 10:33 AM
Originally posted by Va Beach VH Fan
'Cause you kept gettin' your ass smacked by the Pens baby !!!!!

:D

All those series with Caps leading 3-1...:(

BuzinBad
03-06-2004, 11:24 AM
Full Bug wrote:

Nolan is more popular then Marchment I would say.....



Well I am guessing that is because Nolan actually knows how to play hockey! Just a guess. I wish I had the quote but back when Hitchcock was back coaching Dallas he said something like "I love having Marchment on the ice because he can't play and we normally score when he is". And that is back when Marchment was getting death threats in Dallas!

How 'bout them STARS! Watch out Hecubus the Sharks are coming to Dallas and we are red hot with 13 home games without a loss! Getting hot just at the right time. 4 points back could become 2 Sunday. Did anyone else see that ass whipping of the Flames last night?

Full Bug
03-06-2004, 12:35 PM
Marchment doesnt get alot of ice time, so there must be something to what your saying BuzinBad.....Hell, I barely hear his name at all during a game.....

lucky wilbury
03-06-2004, 03:16 PM
:anger: :matrix:

Full Bug
03-07-2004, 01:43 PM
Any team that beats the Sens is cool with me, they might be the Leafs biggest rivals this season, for points in the standings anyway......

Hecubus
03-07-2004, 04:24 PM
Originally posted by BuzinBad
Full Bug wrote:

Nolan is more popular then Marchment I would say.....



Well I am guessing that is because Nolan actually knows how to play hockey! Just a guess. I wish I had the quote but back when Hitchcock was back coaching Dallas he said something like "I love having Marchment on the ice because he can't play and we normally score when he is". And that is back when Marchment was getting death threats in Dallas!

How 'bout them STARS! Watch out Hecubus the Sharks are coming to Dallas and we are red hot with 13 home games without a loss! Getting hot just at the right time. 4 points back could become 2 Sunday. Did anyone else see that ass whipping of the Flames last night?

Dude, you're more right than you know....
With Sturm down they've got to do some serious shuffling & regrouping. As I type this it is 2-0 Stars in the first......

UGGGGHHH......

Hecubus
03-07-2004, 04:28 PM
AND WHAT THE FUCK IS WITH ESPN PRE-EMPTING THE GAME WITH FUCKING TENNIS?!?!?!? :upyours: :mad2:

BuzinBad
03-08-2004, 10:31 AM
Originally posted by Hecubus
AND WHAT THE FUCK IS WITH ESPN PRE-EMPTING THE GAME WITH FUCKING TENNIS?!?!?!? :upyours: :mad2:

And after they put the game on...ESPN was making them say the F'n Tennis score. LIKE ANYONE THAT WATCHES HOCKEY GIVES A DAMN!

I missed the first 2 goals because they were playing tennis. I almost put my head through my TV! Actually had to listen to the game on the radio. My wife killed me when she walked in and saw me watching Tennis and listening to hockey. She said "I am not even going to ask."

Anyway I am sick about Sturm because I like playing teams at their best. Still got 2 games left with you. And after the shit Morrow pulled this next game in San Jose will be interesting.

Full Bug
03-09-2004, 12:02 PM
Avs say Moore hit was pre-meditated


VANCOUVER (CP) -- Derek Morris didn't mince words Monday night.

The Colorado defenceman called Todd Bertuzzi's vicious hit from behind on Avalanche rookie Steve Moore a disgusting, pre-meditated act.

"It was disgusting," an angry Morris said. "There's no other word for that.

"I've never seen anything like that in my seven years of playing hockey (in the NHL)."

Late in the third period of Colorado's convincing 9-2 win, Bertuzzi came up behind Moore, grabbed the back of Avalanche player's sweater and delivered a round-house swing with his gloved right hand that struck Moore's head. Moore fell head first to the ice under the weight of Bertuzzi, who came down on top of him at the 8:41 mark.

A pool of blood formed around Moore's head as he lay motionless on the ice. A stretcher was wheeled out and after a delay of nearly 10 minutes the 25-year-old native of Windsor, Ont., was taken off for medical attention.

Moore was conscious and talking to medical staff when he was wheeled off the ice and then taken to hospital.

Morris compared the attack to one in which former Canuck Donald Brashear was clubbed by a stick-swinging Marty McSorley, who was suspended by the NHL and has not played in the league again.

"The Brashear incident was obviously another thing that was bad but this was pre-meditated," Morris said. "This is the worst thing I've seen."

Bad blood between the two teams had been simmering since Moore's hit on Vancouver captain Markus Naslund during a game Feb. 16 in Denver. That resulted in Naslund suffering a concussion that cost him three games.

Moore wasn't penalized for the hit and the league took no action. That was of little solace at the time to Vancouver coach Marc Crawford, who called Moore's hit "a cheap shot by a young kid on a captain, the leading scorer in the league."

Bertuzzi received a 10-minute match penalty for his hit on the Avalanche centre Monday.

Colorado coach Tony Granato was seen screaming at Crawford and had to be restrained at his team's bench.

Granato said after the game Crawford was responsible for the actions of his team during the fight-filled game that drew 156 minutes in penalties, 99 to Vancouver.

"Three or four times we stood our ground like we had to and that thing happened to put an exclamation point on probably what they were trying to accomplish," said Granato. "Something was said on their side. You just don't go out and start fighting for the fun of it.

"I didn't like the body language," Granato said of the Canuck coaching staff. "I didn't like the way the whole thing transpired. There's no need for that, let's face it."

Morris accused Crawford of laughing about the incident.

"The worst thing about it is their coach is over there laughing about it and that just shows the class of that guy," he said.

Naslund said after the game no player wants to see an opponent injured and that Bertuzzi felt awful about the incident.

"Obviously I think we all feel bad about someone getting hurt," Naslund said. "It's a bad feeling when someone gets seriously injured like that.

"Todd feels awful about it and is very sorry. I know it might not mean much right now. As weird as it seems I don't think that was Todd's intentions."

Bertuzzi, who was suspended 10 games two years ago for coming off the bench to join an on-ice fight, was unavailable for comment after the game.

Canuck forward Brad May, who said earlier there was a bounty on Moore for his hit on Naslund, agreed the game got out of hand.

"This game took a life of its own; it shouldn't have," said May who scored both Vancouver goals. "For two-and-a-half to three weeks there's been a lot of talk.

"Not in both lockerooms. That's all I'm going to say."

Colorado captain Joe Sakic said the incident took away from a solid performance by the Avalanche, who lost 7-1 at home the night before to Calgary.

"It was an ugly incident and it really puts a damper on the whole game," said Sakic who had a goal and three assists. "There's payback but that's not payback. That's going overboard.

"And I'm sure Todd feels bad right now about the result. No player wants to see somebody go down like that."
=========================
Did anyone see the way his head bounced off the ice when he went down? Fuckin brutal......
Bertuzzi can kiss the rest of his season goodbye with a suspension, bet on it.....

Full Bug
03-09-2004, 06:12 PM
Moore out for season after Bertuzzi hit


By JIM MORRIS -- Canadian Press


VANCOUVER -- Colorado Avalanche forward Steve Moore, sucker-punched from behind by Canucks star Todd Bertuzzi, will miss the rest of the season with a fractured neck as bad blood led to a bad injury.

Bertuzzi, meanwhile, faces the wrath of the NHL and possibly the police.

Moore, a rookie with modest numbers for the Avs, crashed face first to the ice following Bertuzzi's punch in the third period of Colorado's 9-2 win Monday night.

The Canucks power forward landed on top of Moore, who was targeted because of a hit last month that sidelined Vancouver captain Markus Naslund with a concussion.

Police are investigating the incident, which also left Moore with a concussion. He will remain in hospital in Vancouver "for an indefinite period of time," the Avs said.

"Regardless of the fact that this involves a player in the National Hockey League, this will be a routine assault investigation," said Const. Sarah Bloor, a spokesman for the Vancouver Police.

"Crown counsel will be responsible for making a decision as to whether or not anyone is charged."

Bertuzzi has been suspended pending a hearing with the NHL in Toronto on Wednesday.

The league issued a statement saying executive vice-president Colin Campbell, who handles discipline for the NHL, and Bertuzzi would not comment until a disciplinary decision was reached.

The general managers of both teams held separate news conferences Tuesday. Canucks GM Brian Burke said Bertuzzi had planned to meet the media but was "too distraught to come here today."

"It's been too emotionally difficult for him," he said.

"Right now he's very upset about what happened. In terms of the incident, he's remorseful and relieved that Mr. Moore's injuries at this point appear, that a full recovery should be possible."

Bertuzzi had tried to contact Moore at the hospital, in addition to trying to speak to the Avalanche trainer, Burke said.

The Canucks GM, while wishing Moore "nothing but the best in terms of recovering from this injury," declined comment on the incident himself.

Colorado GM Pierre Lacroix was also guarded.

"We hope as an organization that Steve will recover," Lacroix said, adding more medical tests are planned.

"All I know that his spirit, under the circumstance, is good," Lacroix added.

He avoided offering any more medical information, saying that was best left to doctors.

Lacroix also did not want to talk about a criminal investigation, saying he just wanted his player to get well.

"I don't want to think of anything else," he said.

It was in Vancouver that Marty McSorley, then with the Boston Bruins, was charged with assault after knocking out then-Canuck Donald Brashear with a stick to the head in February 2000.

McSorley, suspended by the NHL for a year, was convicted of assault and given an 18-month conditional discharge.

Moore's injuries are extensive.

"Exams have revealed that Steve sustained a concussion and a cervical injury (neck fracture) and will be out at least for the remainder of the season," head Colorado trainer Pat Karns said in a statement.

"He also suffered deep facial lacerations and abrasions to the forehead, right cheek and upper lip."

As soon as his condition allows it, the 25-year-old from Windsor, Ont., will be transferred to Craig Hospital in Denver, the statement continued.

On a team stacked with stars, Moore is a checking forward who has four goals and seven assists in 57 games this season, 13th in scoring on the Avs. He has 37 penalty minutes.

Bertuzzi is a bona-fide star, a native of Sudbury, Ont., who signed a $27.8-million US four-year contract in October. While known for his big hits -- his hard-hitting checks were featured in a TV commercial for Gatorade -- he usually steers away from fights.

He has 17 goals and 43 assists, second best on the Canucks. He also has 122 penalty minutes.

Bertuzzi was suspended 10 games two years ago for coming off the bench to join an on-ice fight.

But bad blood between Colorado and Vancouver, currently No. 2 and No. 4 in the West, had been simmering since Moore's hit on Naslund during a game Feb. 16 in Denver. Naslund suffered a concussion that cost him three games.

Moore wasn't penalized for the hit and the league took no action.

Vancouver coach Marc Crawford called Moore's hit "a cheap shot by a young kid on a captain, the leading scorer in the league."

The two teams met in Denver on March 3 but there was little action in a 5-5 tie. That changed Monday night as the score became lopsided in Colorado's favour.

Asked how far over the line Bertuzzi's hit was, Colorado coach Tony Granato said: "We have too much to offer in our game for something like this. Does it cross the line? Of course it does."

But Lacroix said the NHL would do the right thing.

"I have full trust they will do the appropriate action."

The Avs GM also said he had not heard from the Canucks.

"I haven't heard from nobody," he said, adding Bertuzzi's agent had made a call to request information.

The Moore injury is the latest black eye for the NHL, following a brawl-filled game last Friday between the Ottawa Senators and Philadelphia Flyers, which set an NHL record of 419 penalty minutes.

And the league will not be pleased that the Bertuzzi bloodbath tarnished NHL trade deadline day -- normally a dream day for hockey junkies.

"This is not the way we're going to make people love the sport," said Lacroix, who refused to be drawn into further debate.

The Denver Post called the incident "an ugly piece of frontier justice."

"Even with the animosity between Colorado and Vancouver seemingly building by the second, nobody expected it to come to this," said the Rocky Mountain News.

Bertuzzi received a match penalty for his hit on the Avalanche centre Monday.

The two teams don't meet again during the regular season.

Colorado cancelled a planned skate Tuesday morning at GM Place. The team was to fly to Edmonton later in the day for a game Wednesday against the Oilers.
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A broken neck, holy shit, and maybe charges for Todd, he really fucked up.....

Bob_R
03-09-2004, 06:56 PM
The Leafs acquired Ron Francis. Can't provide a link or details I'm on my way out the door.

Full Bug is this the Leafs year? Good-bye 1967?

Va Beach VH Fan
03-09-2004, 07:10 PM
They've got my vote....

Of course, I said that last year too...

Full Bug
03-09-2004, 07:22 PM
Originally posted by EVH FANATIC

Full Bug is this the Leafs year? Good-bye 1967?
Damm I hope so, it sure looks like a better bet then any year I can remember, if they can stay healthy, particularly Eddie B, then they have a good chance I think.....Eddie's somewhat constant back problems worries me quite a bit though, I wish we would have picked up a decent backup goalie.....

Bob_R
03-09-2004, 08:32 PM
Originally posted by EVH FANATIC
The Leafs acquired Ron Francis. Can't provide a link or details I'm on my way out the door.

Full Bug is this the Leafs year? Good-bye 1967?

OK, here's some reading material.


Tuesday, March 9, 2004

Associated Press
RALEIGH, N.C. -- Carolina captain Ron Francis waived his no-trade clause and was dealt to the Toronto Maple Leafs on Tuesday.

The 41-year-old Francis, in his 23rd season, ranks fourth in NHL history in career points and second in assists.

The Hurricanes received the Maple Leafs' fourth-round draft pick in 2005.

Francis said Carolina general manager Jim Rutherford began talking to him about waiving his no-trade clause Monday, and he told the team he was willing to consider a move Tuesday morning.

By early afternoon, the deal was done.

"Certainly, they've got a good team and hopefully I can find a little niche to sort of help them out," Francis said. "I certainly know a lot about that organization and I'm looking forward to trying to help them."

In 68 games this season, Francis has 10 goals and 20 assists. In 1,719 career games, he has 546 goals and 1,242 assists.

"It really wasn't important to me what we got," Hurricanes president and general manager Jim Rutherford said. "Quite frankly, if we didn't get anything for Ron Francis at this point to accommodate him ... that would've been fine with me. I told Toronto once Ron had said he would go that I'm not going to hold them up or squeeze them hard on a trade."

Francis is moving to the team he rooted for while growing up.

"Every kid grows up dreaming of playing for them," Francis said of the Leafs.

With the uncertainty surrounding the NHL's labor situation, Francis said he wanted to make a final run at a Stanley Cup.

Toronto is fourth in the Eastern Conference with 86 points. The Maple Leafs also recently acquired Brian Leetch from the New York Rangers, another franchise player, as they prepare a push for the Stanley Cup.

Francis started his career with the Hartford Whalers, before being traded to Pittsburgh in 1991. He played on back-to-back Stanley Cup championship teams with the Penguins.

He returned to his original franchise for the 1998-99 season after the Whalers moved to Raleigh and became the team's captain and elder statesman, known affectionately as "Ronnie Franchise."

He reached the Stanley Cup finals with the Hurricanes in 2002, but Carolina lost to the Detroit Red Wings.

Carolina missed the playoffs last season.

This season, the Hurricanes are 12 points out a playoff spot with 14 games remaining.

Hurricanes coach Peter Laviolette said there is no way to know how the team will react to the trade of their captain.

"For the most part, I don't think motivation will be an issue," he said. "It hasn't been all year. I think it's an opportunity for different people to step up. There's some veteran players, there's also some players coming up."

Francis said he will always have fond memories of the Hurricanes' 2002 run to the finals.

"I don't think I've ever seen such a passionate display by sports fans for this team," he said.

ALinChainz
03-11-2004, 11:42 AM
NHL Suspends Bertuzzi for Rest of Season

By JOHN WAWROW, AP Sports Writer

TORONTO - Todd Bertuzzi of the Vancouver Canucks (news) was suspended for the rest of the regular season and the playoffs by the NHL on Thursday for attacking Colorado's Steve Moore.



In addition, Bertuzzi's eligibility for next season will be determined by NHL commissioner Gary Bettman before the start of training camp.


The Canucks were also fined $250,000.


"We felt Todd Bertuzzi had given up his right to play the rest of the season," league vice president Colin Campbell said Thursday.


"It was wrong. It wasn't anything else but wrong."


Bertuzzi sat out Wednesday's 1-1 tie with Minnesota and will miss the final 12 games of the regular season, forfeiting at least $500,000. The suspension will amount to a minimum of 17 games if the Canucks make the playoffs and are swept in a first-round series.


Vancouver is fourth in the Western Conference standings. Bertuzzi is the team's second-leading scorer with 17 goals and 43 assists.


The All-Star forward slugged Moore in the side of the head late in Monday night's 9-2 victory by the Avalanche. He hit Moore from behind and drove his head into the ice. Moore landed face-first — with the 245-pound Bertuzzi on top of him — and lay in a pool of blood for several minutes before he was removed on a stretcher.


Moore is out for the season with a broken neck. He also sustained a concussion and deep cuts on his face, and remained hospitalized in Vancouver.


Canucks general manager Brian Burke also scheduled a news conference for later in the day.


The previous longest suspension handed out by the league was 23 games, to Boston's Marty McSorley in February of 2000, and Tampa Bay's Gordie Dwyer in September 2000.


In fining the Canucks, Campbell ruled that while the organization did not encourage or condone Betuzzi's action, the franchise must accept some responsibility.


Both teams had been warned by the league about retaliation for a hit by Moore on Canucks' captain Markus Naslund on Feb. 16. Naslund sustained a concussion and missed three games.


"We believe the Vancouver organization ultimately bears some responsibility ... to moderate the focus of its team. We believe that more could have, and should have, been done," Campbell said in a statement.


Bettman, in ruling next season on Bertuzzi's eligibility, will take into account Moore's health and the progression of his recovery, Campbell said.


The decision comes a day after Bertuzzi had an hour-long hearing at the NHL office in Toronto.


Bertuzzi and Burke returned to Vancouver after attending the hearing. The player met briefly with teammates before addressing reporters.


An emotional Bertuzzi apologized to Moore.

"These comments are for Steve. I had no intention of hurting you," Bertuzzi said Wednesday night, reading a statement before the Canucks played the Wild.

"I feel awful for what transpired," he said.

Bertuzzi spoke with his wife, Julie, agent Pat Morris and members of the Canucks management staff alongside. He choked up three times during his three-minute address.

"To the game of hockey and the fans of Vancouver, for the kids that watch this game, I am truly sorry," Bertuzzi said. "I don't play the game that way. I'm not a mean-spirited person and I'm sorry for what happened."

B.C. Solicitor General Rich Coleman and Vancouver police are investigating the punch, the second time in four years police have looked into an on-ice hit at an NHL game in the city.

"To Steve's family, I'm sorry you had to go through this and I'm sorry again for what happened out there," the right wing said. "I'm relieved to hear that Steve is going to have a full recovery, it means a lot to me to know that's going to happen."

In February 2000, McSorley was charged for hitting then-Vancouver Canuck Donald Brashear with his stick. McSorley was convicted of assault with a weapon, but he received an 18-month conditional discharge, meaning no jail time and no criminal record after probation.

The league suspended him for a year, ending his 17-year NHL career.

When Moore's condition improves, he'll be transferred to Craig Hospital in Denver and evaluated by neurosurgeons, the Avalanche said.

Bertuzzi was an All-Star last season when he was fifth in the league in scoring. This year, he was an All-Star again and has 60 points.

Full Bug
03-11-2004, 01:14 PM
Bertuzzi banned for rest of regular season, playoffs

By PIERRE LeBRUN -- Canadian Press

TORONTO -- Like Steve Moore, Vancouver Canucks star Todd Bertuzzi's season is over.

The NHL suspended Bertuzzi for at least the rest of the regular season and the playoffs for his attack on Moore in Vancouver on Monday night.

The sentence mirrors the Colorado rookie's doctor-enforced ban. Thanks to Bertuzzi, his season is also over.

Bertuzzi's "eligibility" for the 2004-05 NHL season will be determined by commissioner Gary Bettman at the start of training camp, the league said.

"No final determination on the total duration of Mr. Bertuzzi's suspension has yet been made," Colin Campbell, the NHL's executive vice-president and director of hockey operations, said in a statement.

Bertuzzi will forfeit at least $501,926.39 US in salary, money the Canucks will pay into the NHL Players' Emergency Assistance Fund. That's some $75,000 more than Moore will make this season.

The incident is also under police investigation.

The Canucks were also fined $250,000, although Campbell said in the statement he believes Vancouver "did nothing to affirmatively encourage Mr. Bertuzzi's actions, and that it in no way condones what transpired."

"We felt they could have done more in this situation to control their players," Campbell told a subsequent news conference.

"We don't feel they took the temperature down," he added.

Moore remains in a Vancouver hospital, recovering from a concussion, facial cuts and chip fractures to two vertebrae. When doctors give the green light, he will be moved to a hospital in Denver.

"Mr. Bertuzzi is forfeiting $500,000 of his salary and he's missing at least the rest of the season and all the playoffs," said NHL executive vice-president Bill Daly, the league's chief legal officer. "And in addition to that, the Vancouver Canucks are paying a significant fine.

"None of that makes Steven Moore able to play today but at least he should, I would think, feel better about the fact that the league is doing what it can to regulate what goes on on the ice and to try to prevent this from happening again."

The Canucks have 12 games left in the regular season, and unlike McSorley's Bruins, are expected to go deep into the playoffs. Bertuzzi had already sat out one game, pending the league's decision.

With four rounds in the playoffs, the post-season ban could amount to a maximum 28 games, making the total a possible 41 games this season alone.

"It's severe," Campbell said. "We dealt with Todd Bertuzzi like we would any other player in this situation. Because Todd Bertuzzi is the impact player he is, the ramifications and severity of this will definitely affect and hurt the Vancouver Canucks' chances of being successful in the playoffs. But we couldn't consider that."

Bettman said he felt the league did what it could to minimize any damage done to the game's image.

"I think ultimately we'll be judged on our response and the message that it sends," Bettman said. "The message that's being sent is this is not a part of our game, it has no place in our game, and it will not be tolerated in our game."

Colorado GM Pierre Lacroix issued a statement following the ruling saying the league "acted with a clear sense of what was fair for all parties involved."

"Steve Moore's complete recovery continues to be our main concern," he added. "At the same time, we will turn our energy and attention towards the remainder of our season and the upcoming playoffs."

The league has adopted the same tack as it did with Marty McSorley, after he knocked out Donald Brashear with a stick to the head in February 2000.

McSorley was banned for the rest of the regular season and playoffs, which turned out to be 23 games since Boston missed the post-season. At a subsequent review that November, the ban was extended to a full year.

This latest ruling came one day after a disciplinary hearing involving Bertuzzi, Vancouver GM Brian Burke and NHL Players' Association officials.

Campbell made the decision last night, informing Burke at 5:30 a.m. Vancouver time. Burke then told Bertuzzi, who had made a tearful televised apology just hours before.

Campbell, the league's disciplinarian, said he was watching the game Monday night -- "10 seconds after it happened on the ice, I made the phone call (to Bettman)."

The first question at the news conference was whether fighting was a problem in the league. Campbell denied it.

While the violence exhibited in the Bertuzzi case is not new to the NHL, the circumstances are different this time. There is a worrying sense of premeditation here, although Bertuzzi has denied intent to injure.

Moore was targeted because of a hit on Canucks captain Markus Naslund in the Feb. 16 game. Naslund, the league's leading scorer at the time, was subsequently sidelined three games with a concussion. The Avs player was not penalized on the play and the league did not take any further action.

The Canucks called it a cheap shot and there was talk of retribution.

The next meeting between the two, a 5-5 tie in Denver on March 3, produced little out of the ordinary. But that changed Monday at GM Place as Moore fought Matt Cooke.

With the game a lost cause -- the Avs won 9-2 -- Bertuzzi grabbed Moore from behind at 8:41 of the third period. He sucker-punched the Avs forward on the side of his head and then landed on top of Moore, driving his head into the ice.

"Mr. Bertuzzi pursued Mr. Moore on the ice, attempting to engage him in a confrontation," Campbell said in the league statement.

"When Mr. Moore declined to engage Mr. Bertuzzi, Mr. Bertuzzi responded by delivering a gloved punch from behind to the side of Mr. Moore's head, rendering him unconscious. Upon falling to the ice, Mr. Moore suffered additional serious injuries.

Bertuzzi's troubles are not over. Vancouver police, who charged McSorley with assault, are investigating the Moore hit.

McSorley was convicted of assault with a weapon and given an 18-month conditional discharge.

Unlike McSorley, Bertuzzi is not an enforcer. He is a bona-fide star, albeit one with an occasional nasty streak.

He is the highest-paid Canuck at $6.8 million US. Moore, in contrast, is a fringe player who makes $425,000.

Bertuzzi has 17 goals, 43 assists and 122 penalty minutes in 69 games this season. He has played 1,449 minutes and ranks 22nd in the league in scoring.

Moore has five goals, seven assists and 27 penalty minutes in 57 games. He has played 746 minutes and ranks 408th in league scoring.

On Wednesday night, a tearful Bertuzzi apologized to Moore.

"I had no intention of hurting you and I feel awful for what transpired."

He also apologized to his GM, owner and teammates.

"To the fans of hockey and the fans of Vancouver, to the kids that watch this game, I'm truly sorry. I don't play the game that way. I'm not a mean-spirited person."

Perhaps, but Bertuzzi's actions have shoved a league with financial and labour problems under a harsh spotlight.

The Globe and Mail's lead editorial Thursday called for a ban on fighting in the NHL.

Across the page, Globe columnist Jeffrey Simpson -- who normally comments on affairs of state -- called the NHL "the worst-organized professional league in North America, maybe the world."

The headline above the column was "Hockey is so sick it needs to sit out a season."

In another editorial Thursday, the Denver Post said Bertuzzi should be thrown out of the game.

"The league should ban Bertuzzi for life from any association with professional hockey, much as Major League Baseball did with Pete Rose for gambling, a far less serious offence."

The Post also canvassed legal experts on whether Moore had grounds for a lawsuit against Bertuzzi.

Colorado defeated the Oilers 3-2 in overtime in Edmonton on Wednesday night, the Avs' first game since the Moore injury.

The team "promised Steve a win, and we got it for him," said star forward Paul Kariya.
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Looks good on him.....Tears or not, he deserved that much at least....

ALinChainz
03-11-2004, 01:50 PM
He had no intention of hurting him.

I guess sucker punching is his way of showing that.

Hecubus
03-11-2004, 10:30 PM
Originally posted by BuzinBad
And after they put the game on...ESPN was making them say the F'n Tennis score. LIKE ANYONE THAT WATCHES HOCKEY GIVES A DAMN!

I missed the first 2 goals because they were playing tennis. I almost put my head through my TV! Actually had to listen to the game on the radio. My wife killed me when she walked in and saw me watching Tennis and listening to hockey. She said "I am not even going to ask."

Anyway I am sick about Sturm because I like playing teams at their best. Still got 2 games left with you. And after the shit Morrow pulled this next game in San Jose will be interesting.

Yeah that was a tough break, pun intended. I think that Curtis Brown can fill a few holes because from what I have read he's a good all purpose player that they've been trying to get for a while now.

It's going to be a very interesting & tight stretch run...

ALinChainz
03-18-2004, 07:37 PM
March 18, 2004

Bettman Believes Lockout Can Be Avoided


WASHINGTON (AP) -- With talk of a possible lockout that could substantially curtail or even cancel next season, NHL commissioner Gary Bettman believes a work stoppage can be avoided.

Bettman, speaking with reporters before the Rangers played the Capitals on Thursday, said the expiration of the collective bargaining agreement Sept. 15 gives the league and union an opportunity to fix the sport's problems.

``I view September of 2004 as an opportunity to go forward,'' Bettman said. ``I'm optimistic. At the right time, the union will want to reason together with us.''

Bettman said the league already has scheduled meetings with the NHL Players Association in April and May in an attempt to head off a possible lockout. He wants ``a rational and fair relationship between revenues and expenses.''

While repeatedly saying he wanted a deal with the union that reduced costs for teams, he declined to be more specific. He also ruled out any possible contraction.

``The word contraction does not exist in my or the NHL's vocabulary,'' he said. ``Any suggestion that the Capitals or any franchise is either moving or contracting is nothing more than unsubstantiated and irresponsible rumor mongering.''

On other topics:

-- Bettman said Todd Bertuzzi's attack on the Colorado Avalanche's Steve Moore last week was disturbing but shouldn't cause a rush to radically crack down on brawls.

``This wasn't a fight. This was an incident that crossed the line, and it was dealt with appropriately. Let's not overgeneralize. It was dealt with in a very strict and harsh way.''

-- Bettman thinks the league will be able to replace its expiring television contract with ABC and ESPN with a favorable deal.

-- He also planned to meet with Capitals owner Ted Leonsis, whom he suspended for a week and fined $100,000 for scuffling with a disgruntled fan. The commissioner praised Leonsis, saying: ``He has been a great owner for this franchise.''

-- In recent weeks, the Capitals and Rangers made multiple trades in an attempt to aggressively shed payroll, moves that Bettman applauded.

``With the uncertainty of next year, I think it was smart,'' he said.

Va Beach VH Fan
03-20-2004, 04:58 PM
Originally posted by EVH FANATIC
Going to the NJ vs. Penguins game on March 17th. Got tix half price from the Cub Scouts. My oldest son and I are going.

VA Beach VH Fan: The Pens are sinking faster than the Titanic. What's going on?

Hey bro, of course you get to see the Pens when they DON'T play well... They've really improved recently, then they go to Exit 16W and have absolutely no legs at all.... I think the Devils realized they couldn't fuck around the way the Pens were playing and took it to them early....

By the way hockey fans, the Pens have the 3RD most points in the NHL in the last month...

And, their power play is the BEST in the NHL since January.... Jackman was one of the main reasons for this... Christ, what a steal, thanks Full Bugger !!!

Not bad for a last place team, better hope they don't get Ovechkin, they could make some noise in the future, whenever they play again that is....

Full Bug
03-20-2004, 11:08 PM
Originally posted by Va Beach VH Fan

And, their power play is the BEST in the NHL since January.... Jackman was one of the main reasons for this... Christ, what a steal, thanks Full Bugger !!!

Its only polite to throw a dying dog a bone, or in this case a dying penguin a fish.....:D

Va Beach VH Fan
03-21-2004, 08:46 AM
Yeah yeah yeah....

Have fun with Berehowsky, when he plays anyway... :D

Bob_R
03-24-2004, 10:21 AM
The Devils clinched a playoff spot with their win last night. Brodeur collected his 400th win. The youngest (31), fastest (735 games), and first with one team.

Also, Scott Stevens started skating Monday. :) :bananna:

Full Bug
03-24-2004, 10:42 AM
I hate New Jersey, they are a royal pain in the ass come playoff time, seeing them knocked out first round would make my day......
Plus I could bug EVH about that forever......:D

Bob_R
03-25-2004, 08:55 AM
LOL Bug! Yeah the Devils have only lost once in the 2nd Round and that was to our arch-rivals the Rangers. It seems like if you don't get them in the first round they reach the finals.

Bob_R
03-25-2004, 09:04 AM
Check out this site guys: www.broadstreetbully.com

Full Bug
03-25-2004, 10:16 AM
Thats a cool site, some good clips in there....

Hecubus
03-26-2004, 05:11 PM
Fookin' a baybee!!!

My Sharkies clinched & are comin' after the Red Wings!!!

Fuckin' Red Wings....

Full Bug
03-27-2004, 10:41 AM
Toronto hosts the Sens tonite, its gonna be a war......

Bob_R
03-28-2004, 05:04 PM
If the Devils can beat the Isles this afternoon they'll be 2 points behind The Flyers with 3 games remaining for each team. A few weeks ago it seemed that there was no way that the Devs could catch them.

Bob_R
03-28-2004, 07:57 PM
Devils won 3-2! :bananna: Two points out of first

Bug, if the season ended today: Devils vs. Toronto in Round 1. :D

Bob_R
03-29-2004, 03:07 PM
Originally posted by Hecubus
Fookin' a baybee!!!

My Sharkies clinched & are comin' after the Red Wings!!!

Fuckin' Red Wings....

Congrats dude! The Sharks have their first 100 point season.

Full Bug
03-29-2004, 03:48 PM
Originally posted by EVH FANATIC

Bug, if the season ended today: Devils vs. Toronto in Round 1. :D
Maybe, but we meet Ottawa again on saturday, that will have meaning, damm, what a fight going on in this conference, nobody can predict what will happen this week......
Owen Nowen hurt his knee this week, that sucks, the Leafs always get the injury bug before the playoff's, worries me.....
As far as NJ, no problem......;)

Full Bug
03-29-2004, 03:49 PM
I'm gonna get a Playoff thread going at Von's soon EVH, might want to visit it......

Va Beach VH Fan
03-29-2004, 05:58 PM
Absolutely nothing like playoff hockey....

All-out wars.....

Bob_R
03-30-2004, 09:14 AM
DENVER -- Wearing a brace from his chin to his chest, Steve Moore walked into a news conference Monday and said he doesn't remember the hit that knocked him out for the season -- and might have ended his NHL career.

When the announcer said Steve Moore was at Monday's game, Moore got a standing ovation.
The Colorado Avalanche forward still has a red welt under his right eye, but he wore a broad smile while speaking to the media for the first time since Vancouver's Todd Bertuzzi sucker-punched him during a game on March 8.

"I feel very fortunate to be able to be here today, to be able to walk in here today," 25-year-old Moore said before Colorado's game against Los Angeles. "I don't know whether I'll be able to play again, but I remain optimistic. I'm more fortunate just to be alive and to take one day at a time."

Moore waved to the crowd from one of the luxury boxes in the first period after he was welcomed back by the public-address announcer. The fans gave him a standing ovation that lasted more than a minute, and players from both teams tapped their sticks on the ice.

Moore suffered two broken vertebrae, a concussion and facial lacerations when Bertuzzi punched him from behind and drove his head into the ice. The hit was believed to be retaliation for a check by Moore in February that knocked Canucks' star Markus Naslund out for three games.

Bertuzzi was suspended for the rest of the season and the playoffs, and Vancouver police are looking into assault charges against him. He also must apply to NHL commissioner Gary Bettman for reinstatement before he can play again.

Moore said he has not spoken to Bertuzzi and hasn't heard his public apology, and he avoided questions about Bertuzzi's punishment but did say the hit was over the line.

"I think that type of stuff doesn't have any place in the game," he said. "We have a tremendous game, this game of hockey, and I think this incident has made the image of this game suffer. That's unfortunate, and I sincerely hope nothing like this ever happens again."

Canucks general manager Brian Burke was glad to see Moore up and walking around.

"On behalf of the entire Canucks organization, I'd like to wish Steve a quick and full recovery," Burke said in a statement. "I was pleased to see him looking better today, and we hope to hear good things about his status in the near future."

Burke said the organization wouldn't comment on the incident again until after the season.

Moore doesn't recall being punched or remember the 20 minutes before or after he was struck -- his first memory was lying in the medical room in Vancouver's arena.

"I can't explain how scary it is to wake up to a nightmare," he said. "I'm playing a game, and the next thing I know I'm lying in a room with medical personnel standing over me. I have a neck brace on and having my equipment cut off of me, and I am strapped down and really have no idea on what was going on. It was pretty scary."

Moore is up and walking after leaving a Denver hospital last week, but he still has limited mobility and has yet to start rehabilitation. He hopes to join the Avalanche on the road during the playoffs but doesn't want to push too hard.

"Since that game in Vancouver, my main concern has just been to regain my full health and take one day at a time," Moore said. "I am certainly anxious for my injuries to heal, and I'm anxious to get going on the rehab and hopefully get back to playing."

Moore said that his apartment is filled with banners, cards and pictures and that he has received good wishes from across North America and places as far away as Germany and Australia.

"I've even received a bouquet of flowers from Kuwait," he said. "So it's been pretty amazing and it's been very uplifting for me. It's been pretty powerful to know that this many people care."

Full Bug
03-30-2004, 09:40 AM
Great to see him doing better, hopefully he will be able to play again one day....

Bob_R
03-31-2004, 11:37 AM
The Devils have pulled even with the Flyers! :) :bananna: :bananna:

Full Bug
03-31-2004, 12:30 PM
Originally posted by EVH FANATIC
The Devils have pulled even with the Flyers! :) :bananna: :bananna:
And this is good because......:D

Bob_R
03-31-2004, 01:10 PM
Originally posted by Full Bug
And this is good because......:D

:D ...... I'd like to win the division and get a higher seed and home ice. But, why do I think that you already knew that? :p

Actually, not including last year the Devils are very strong on the road in the playoffs. In '95 and '00 they won 10 games on the road.

Bob_R
04-03-2004, 07:15 PM
First place Devils heading into the last day of the season. :) :killer: :bananna:

Va Beach VH Fan
04-04-2004, 10:20 AM
And WOO-HOO, the Pens clinched last place !!!

48.2 pct. chance of getting Ovechkin !!!!

But alas, knowing our luck, we still won't get the #1 pick...

Even if we don't, we can't select lower than #2, which would let the Pens select Malkin, who ain't chopped liver either.... As a matter of fact, I've read some reports that Malkin has improved so much that he's not far away from Ovechkin in terms of overall talent....

But if get Ovechkin, with Fleury in goal, things are looking up...

Full Bug
04-04-2004, 10:59 AM
Toronto smoked Ottawa last night and got home ice, a sign of things to come for sure.....

PHOENIX
04-04-2004, 11:28 AM
Originally posted by Full Bug
Toronto smoked Ottawa last night and got home ice, a sign of things to come for sure.....

Habs Vs Leafs in playoffs.

Full Bug
04-04-2004, 11:35 AM
Originally posted by PHOENIX
Habs Vs Leafs in playoffs.
Is that offical? I heard that wont be deceided until later today, Habs or Ottawa, havent picked up the paper yet today.....

PHOENIX
04-04-2004, 11:38 AM
Originally posted by Full Bug
Is that offical? I heard that wont be deceided until later today, Habs or Ottawa, havent picked up the paper yet today.....

We'll find out today. That would be a good playoff series. Real fucking hockey man.

lucky wilbury
04-04-2004, 06:20 PM
EASTERN CONFERENCE

(1) LIGHTNING vs ISLANDERS (8)

(2) BRUINS vs CANADIENS (7)

(3) FLYERS vs DEVILS (6)

(4) MAPLE LEAFS vs SENATORS (5)


WESTERN CONFERENCE

(1) RED WINGS vs PREDATORS (7)

(2) SHARKS vs BLUES (7)

(3) CANUCKS vs CALGARY (6)

(4) AVALANCHE vs DALLAS (5)

Va Beach VH Fan
04-04-2004, 07:45 PM
Hmmm...

Lightning/Islanders - If the Isles can get some goaltending, they could surprise TB.... If not, this could be a sweep... TB in this one...

Bruins/Habs - Despite the historical significance and their rivalry, IMO this could be a yawner of a series, or put it this way, the least exciting matchup out of the 4 series in the East..... Bruins in this one....

Philly/NJ, of course, will be a slugfest.... I'll take a healthier Philly in that one...

Leafs/Senators will be pretty rough as well... Leafs for this one....

Western Conference - Don't much care until the finals, although I'd love to see Nashville knock off the Wings... :D

PHOENIX
04-04-2004, 08:37 PM
Originally posted by Va Beach VH Fan
Hmmm...

Light

Bruins/Habs - Despite the historical significance and their rivalry, IMO this could be a yawner of a series, or put it this way, the least exciting matchup out of the 4 series in the East..... Bruins in this one....



Are you shitting me?

This series will be great. Bar fights aplenty when the Bruins fans come to the city. It'll be fucking nuts.

Habs will fucking destroy them in 6.:D

Bob_R
04-05-2004, 06:50 AM
Here are my predictions for the first round.

Winners listed

EASTERN CONFERENCE

LIGHTNING

BRUINS

DEVILS

MAPLE LEAFS


WESTERN CONFERENCE

RED WINGS

SHARKS

CANUCKS

AVALANCHE

Va Beach VH Fan
04-05-2004, 08:50 PM
Originally posted by PHOENIX
Are you shitting me?

This series will be great. Bar fights aplenty when the Bruins fans come to the city. It'll be fucking nuts.

Habs will fucking destroy them in 6.:D


Now how did I know that either a Bostonian or a Montrealian was going to rag me about that ??? :D

OK, to make you happy, I'll give the bar fighting championship to the Habs fans... :D

But, on the ice, just my opinion, this won't be as good of a series as the others in the East....

And I hope the Habs win as well.....

lucky wilbury
04-06-2004, 01:33 PM
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story.asp?ID=79206&hubName=nhl

Capitals win NHL draft lottery


TSN.ca Staff



4/6/2004

The Washington Capitals won the NHL draft lottery on Tuesday, giving them the right to select first overall in the June 26 Entry Draft.

Washington, who had a 14.2 percent of winning the lottery, would have picked third due to their regular-season finish.

Under the lottery system, only the five teams with the fewest points had the chance to win the first overall selection; no team could move up more than four spots and no team could move backward more than one.

The Pittsburgh Penguins, who had a 25 percent chance of winnign the lottery, will draft second despite finishing with the worst record in the NHL this season.

The team that has finished last in the NHL standings hasn't won the draft lottery since 1997 when the Boston Bruins retained the top pick and selected franchise cornerstone Joe Thornton.

The Chicago Blackhawks will draft third overall followed by the Columbus Blue Jackets, Phoenix Coyotes and New York Rangers.

The last time the Washington Capitals selected first overall in the NHL draft, they took defenseman Rick Green in 1976.

Va Beach VH Fan
04-06-2004, 08:36 PM
Originally posted by Va Beach VH Fan
48.2 pct. chance of getting Ovechkin !!!!

But alas, knowing our luck, we still won't get the #1 pick...

Even if we don't, we can't select lower than #2, which would let the Pens select Malkin, who ain't chopped liver either.... As a matter of fact, I've read some reports that Malkin has improved so much that he's not far away from Ovechkin in terms of overall talent....

I hate it when I'm fuckin' right....

And to the fuckin' Caps on top of it....

Oh well, we move on...

I've been reading several reports on Malkin, and I have to admit, this guy looks to be someone who is just what the Pens are looking for...

6'3" Center, 200lbs... Fast as shit with an excellent shot and a great passer....

Well, the draft is in Raleigh this year....

Pojo, get the beer ready.... :D

Va Beach VH Fan
04-06-2004, 08:38 PM
Originally posted by lucky wilbury
The Pittsburgh Penguins, who had a 25 percent chance of winnign the lottery, will draft second despite finishing with the worst record in the NHL this season.

The team that has finished last in the NHL standings hasn't won the draft lottery since 1997 when the Boston Bruins retained the top pick and selected franchise cornerstone Joe Thornton.

Of course you'll think now I'm complaining, but there's something fundamentally wrong when the last place team hasn't gotten the #1 pick in 7 straight years....

moose
04-06-2004, 08:48 PM
The CUP comes home. She will be risen on Yonge St and placed in the Hockey Hall Of Fame with the TML's as STANLEY CUP CHAMPS.
No longer will we be bridesmaids this time we're fucking getting married!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PHOENIX
04-06-2004, 10:11 PM
Originally posted by moose
The CUP comes home. She will be risen on Yonge St and placed in the Hockey Hall Of Fame with the TML's as STANLEY CUP CHAMPS.
No longer will we be bridesmaids this time we're fucking getting married!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh please.:rolleyes:

Toronto sucks ass. Along with the rest of Ontario.

Beer stores??? Are you fucking kidding me.:p

moose
04-06-2004, 10:41 PM
Originally posted by PHOENIX
Oh please.:rolleyes:

Toronto sucks ass. Along with the rest of Ontario.

Beer stores??? Are you fucking kidding me.:p

Nope, you know it as well as the rest of the world the LEAFS are going to be crowned "CHAMPS", shit I remember not to long ago that when the leafs played the HABS in Montreal the place was full of LEAFS
fans, I wonder why?
we're winning the cup, we're winning the cup, we're winning the cup
Oh this is going to be sweet!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Golden AWe
04-07-2004, 04:23 AM
Originally posted by Va Beach VH Fan
Of course you'll think now I'm complaining, but there's something fundamentally wrong when the last place team hasn't gotten the #1 pick in 7 straight years....


I think the last overall team has won the lottery a few times but they have traded their pick away...I'm not 100% sure.

Golden AWe
04-07-2004, 04:24 AM
I've never been a real fan of the team but this time I'm hoping the Flames go far...after all they've got 3 great Finns in the team...I hope Kiprusoff can continue his amazing form in the playoffs...

SilvioDante
04-07-2004, 01:36 PM
MY PREDS ARE FINALLY IN THE PLAYOFFS AND ARE GONNA GET THE SHIT KICKED OUT OF THEM BY THE WINGS!!!!!

I am so stoked!!

Although, they DID split the season series....


<img src="http://www.nashvillepredators.com/library/graphics/playofflogo.gif" width=203 height=234

Golden AWe
04-07-2004, 01:56 PM
EASTERN CONFERENCE

(1) LIGHTNING vs ISLANDERS (8)
Another early exit for the Islanders. Lighting just has too much more scoring. Lightning in 5.

(2) BRUINS vs CANADIENS (7)
Another very exiting ORIGINAL SIX-matchup. Bruins goaltending is a question mark, can Raycroft handle the pressure? Well, in the end their power-play will be too much for the HABS. Bruins in 6.

(3) FLYERS vs DEVILS (6)
Brodeur is clearly the best goaltender in the league. Esche of the Flyers has been shaky lately. Will the Flyers power-play succeed? Unless Esche stands on his head and beats Brodeur, I'll say Devils in 7.

(4) MAPLE LEAFS vs SENATORS (5)
Two teams that have been close to the Finals for several years now. Maple Leafs are the modern Broad Street Bullies. Leetch could make the difference here. Belfour is still better than Lalime. I'll say Leafs in 6.

WESTERN CONFERENCE

(1) RED WINGS vs PREDATORS (7)
The Predators did very well to get this far, but they can't match the depth of the Red Wings. Wings starting goaltender isn't a sure bet though. I'll say Red Wings in 5.

(2) SHARKS vs BLUES (7)
Sharks have done very well with their rebuilding project - they've turned from a good veteran team into a competitive, young team in less than two years. The Blues have material and a Cup-proven goaltender but I'm still not counting on them. Sharks in 6.

(3) CANUCKS vs CALGARY (6)
It is great to see a Finnish goaltender to lead it's team back into the playoffs. Darryl Sutter has made some great bargain trades. They have some injured centers though, and some young, playoffs-unproven defenders. The Canucks have way more depth but I still don't trust Dan Cloutier. Flames in 7.

(4) AVALANCHE vs DALLAS (5)
I don't like Tony Granato. He is shuffling his lines too much and the Avs are not playing on the level they could. Dallas have had their problems too but they've picked up their play when the season got older. Modano had a bad season but the playoffs count. Unless Aebischer can really prove himself and Selanne finds his scoring touch again, I see Stars advance in 7.

Va Beach VH Fan
04-07-2004, 10:57 PM
Originally posted by Golden AWe
I think the last overall team has won the lottery a few times but they have traded their pick away...I'm not 100% sure.

No bro, not since '97 when Baaaston took Joe Thornton....

Full Bug
04-07-2004, 11:15 PM
Originally posted by PHOENIX

Toronto sucks ass. Along with the rest of Ontario.

Hmmm, Montreal lost tonite, a shutout no less, I wonder who is sucking ass tonite? :D

Golden AWe
04-08-2004, 07:14 AM
Originally posted by Va Beach VH Fan
No bro, not since '97 when Baaaston took Joe Thornton....

Ok.

Not a bad pick btw...

Bob_R
04-11-2004, 01:19 PM
The Devils are down 2-0 coming back to Jersey for Games 3 and 4.

Bob_R
04-13-2004, 09:35 AM
Originally posted by EVH FANATIC
The Devils are down 2-0 coming back to Jersey for Games 3 and 4.

Make that 2-1 going into Game 4 Wednesday night. :bananna:

Bob_R
04-15-2004, 02:42 PM
Originally posted by EVH FANATIC
Make that 2-1 going into Game 4 Wednesday night. :bananna:

Make that 3-1 going into Game 5 Saturday afternoon. :( :mad:

PHOENIX
04-15-2004, 09:43 PM
GO HABS GO!

lucky wilbury
04-17-2004, 02:57 AM
http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGANJ2N95TD.html

St. Louis Blues Hockey Player Charged in Alleged Murder-for-Hire Scheme

By Betsy Taylor Associated Press Writer
Published: Apr 17, 2004


ST. LOUIS (AP) - A professional hockey player was charged Friday in an alleged plot to kill an acquaintance he feared could ruin his career, the FBI said

St. Louis Blues forward Mike Danton was arrested at the airport in San Jose, Calif., where the Blues were knocked out of the National Hockey League playoffs on Thursday.

According to a criminal complaint filed in federal court in Illinois, Danton and a woman tried to hire someone to kill an acquaintance of the hockey player.

Danton, 23, and the woman, Katie Wolfmeyer, 19, face federal charges of conspiring and using a telephone across state lines to set up a murder. It could not be determined where they were being held Friday night.

A spokesman for the hockey team, Frank Buonomo, declined to comment Friday, saying in a statement, "The matter is in the hands of law enforcement officials and the judicial system."

The Blues could not immediately put The Associated Press in touch with an agent or lawyer for Danton.

According to the criminal complaint, Danton told Wolfmeyer that a hitman from Canada was coming to kill him and asked her if she knew someone who would kill the person for $10,000.

She passed his call to another man, described as a "cooperating witness," who spoke with Danton beginning Wednesday.

The FBI said Danton hatched a plot where the man could kill the "hitman" at Danton's apartment and make it look like two burglars had broken in, one being killed and the other making off with $3,000 Danton had in a safe.

The complaint alleges that Danton actually was trying to kill a male acquaintance whom he had fought with Tuesday over Danton's "promiscuity and use of alcohol." The complaint said Danton feared the acquaintance, who is not named, would talk to St. Louis Blues management and ruin Danton's career.

In a telephone call recorded by authorities, the acquaintance asked why Danton wanted to kill him. According to the complaint, Danton broke down and sobbed, and explained that he ordered the killing because he "felt the acquaintance was going to leave him."

Authorities said Friday they have no reason to believe that the acquaintance or anyone else had been planning to kill Danton. "We couldn't confirm that to be accurate," said Marshall Stone, supervisory FBI special agent in Springfield, Ill.

Danton, formerly known as Mike Jefferson, was suspended twice by the New Jersey Devils, who eventually traded him to St. Louis last June.

AP-ES-04-17-04 0121EDT

PHOENIX
04-17-2004, 09:41 PM
GO HABS GO!:D

Bob_R
04-18-2004, 11:38 AM
Originally posted by EVH FANATIC
Make that 3-1 going into Game 5 Saturday afternoon. :( :mad:

Congrats to the Flyers and their fans.

Full Bug
04-18-2004, 11:41 AM
Originally posted by PHOENIX
GO HABS GO!
Yeah, go Habs go jump off a cliff.....
Actually, would love to see a Leafs Habs matchup.....

PHOENIX
04-18-2004, 11:44 AM
Originally posted by Full Bug
Yeah, go Habs go jump off a cliff.....
Actually, would love to see a Leafs Habs matchup.....

Leafs Vs Habs!

Cant get any better than that.:D

DLRismydad
04-18-2004, 12:06 PM
Yeah leafs habs would be great. although I am afraid that that may cause all canadian sports stations to completty overexpose the series

ALinChainz
04-18-2004, 12:58 PM
Originally posted by SilvioDante
MY PREDS ARE FINALLY IN THE PLAYOFFS AND ARE GONNA GET THE SHIT KICKED OUT OF THEM BY THE WINGS!!!!!

I am so stoked!!

Although, they DID split the season series....


<img src="http://www.nashvillepredators.com/library/graphics/playofflogo.gif" width=203 height=234

The Preds played tough I thought. They are a solid team in my opinion, wasn't an easy series.

Didn't see any love for the Wings in here, figured I better speak up.

GO WINGS

DLRismydad
04-18-2004, 03:08 PM
I don't know how anyone can say Gretzky isn't the greatest. just take a look a T THE RECORD BOOK

PHOENIX
04-18-2004, 06:25 PM
Originally posted by DLRismydad
Yeah leafs habs would be great. although I am afraid that that may cause all canadian sports stations to completty overexpose the series

No only Toronto related media would over expose this.

Didnt you know that Toronto is the center of the universe?

BITEYOASS
04-18-2004, 09:56 PM
I finally heard that the Red Wings beat the Predators!!!!! A lot better last year when they lost to the ducks. On a different note, who the hell put a hockey team in Nashville, TN? THERE'S NO FUCKIN ICE THERE!!!!! That Stanley Cup is gonna be heading back to the Joe in no time at all. Chances are it will be Red Wings vs. Leafs for the final.

ALinChainz
04-18-2004, 10:07 PM
I thought they were going to run into the same thing last year, an unreal goalie who would completely dominate like JSG did last season for the Ducks. Vokoun was playing great early on, but we were finally able to get to him, not that he didn't have some help.

The Wings need Cujo to stay in goal to win this thing.

I'm hoping for a killer playoff for the Wings, because hockey may be in for one long ass off season.

Full Bug
04-19-2004, 09:49 AM
Originally posted by BITEYOASS
Chances are it will be Red Wings vs. Leafs for the final.
Dont be so sure, the Leafs blew a great chance last night to put away Ottawa and blew it and it now goes to game 7 tomorrow night, to say I'm nervous about the outcome is a understatement....

PHOENIX
04-19-2004, 09:42 PM
GO HABS GO!

HABS VS TAMPA

Full Bug
04-19-2004, 10:22 PM
Nice comeback by the Habs being down 3 games to 1.....

Va Beach VH Fan
04-20-2004, 05:25 PM
Originally posted by Full Bug
Nice comeback by the Habs being down 3 games to 1.....

Yeah, nice comeback, combined with a nice choke by the Bruins....

Thornton needs to give up the C.....

Full Bug
04-20-2004, 10:23 PM
The Leafs beat Ottawa, looks like I wont need the noose after all....At least not yet....

Golden AWe
04-21-2004, 03:13 AM
I'm so happy that the Flames led by Iginla and the steal of the season, Miikka Kiprusoff are on the second round...now they "only" have to beat Red Wings to advance to the conference finals.

And yes, either Habs or Lightning are going to the eastern finals...that is cool! Of the Eastern teams, only the Flyers have been in the finals since '93 when Habs won the Cup...

Bob_R
04-21-2004, 10:46 AM
Here are the teams I predict will win in Round 2 and advance to the conference championship round:

Detroit
Colorado
Tampa Bay
Philadelphia - Sorry Bug

Full Bug
04-21-2004, 11:43 AM
Originally posted by EVH FANATIC

Philadelphia - Sorry Bug
To be honest, I think Phily will take them out as well, unless Belfour can save them, he is the best goalie right now, he is in the groove, dont count out Toronto yet, but if I had to make a pic it would be Phily....

Va Beach VH Fan
04-21-2004, 03:58 PM
I don't see Philly doing it this year Bug (remember I saw Game 7 in person)....

I think the moves Toronto made before the trade deadline (Francis/Leetch) are paying off, and I think they're going to win this series....

Also, you heard it here first (if it doesn't come true, just forget I said it :D ), Calgary will upset the Deadwings....

So, it'll be...

Calgary
Colorado
Tampa Bay (sorry Phoenix)
Toronto

Full Bug
04-21-2004, 05:44 PM
I dont think Calgary has what it takes to win it all, but they are my root for team this year, that team has heart, hell its been years since they even made the playoffs, go Calgary go!

Hecubus
04-22-2004, 01:07 AM
Don't count out my Sharks, you beyotches!!

Can Forsberg stay healthy?

Teemu's slumping & his butt buddy is on ice for the time being...

Team Teal had a full week's rest & McAuley & Thornton are on the mend.

Sharks in 6!!

I have my fucking 3rd row tix behind the benches for Game 1!!! When I found out where my seat was I wet my fucking pants.

Fucking coolest game on earth, man. I LOVE THE PLAYOFFS!!!

Full Bug
04-22-2004, 09:20 AM
Originally posted by Hecubus

I have my fucking 3rd row tix behind the benches for Game 1!!! When I found out where my seat was I wet my fucking pants.

Thats cool, would love to go to a Leaf game but dont have an extra 500 bucks lying around.....
How much did you pay for tickets?

Bob_R
04-23-2004, 08:36 AM
The Flames beat the Dead Wings 2-1 in OT last night.

BITEYOASS
04-23-2004, 11:20 AM
Originally posted by EVH FANATIC
The Flames beat the Dead Wings 2-1 in OT last night.

Enjoy your only OT win in the round Flamer, cause the Red Wings are gonnat beat the living shit out of your team in the next 4 games. If I head over to the Joe, then I'll make sure I'll rip the toungue off your team's mascot again! LOL


LET'S GO RED WINGS!!!!

:angel: :mad2:

Bob_R
04-23-2004, 11:30 AM
Originally posted by BITEYOASS
Enjoy your only OT win in the round Flamer, cause the Red Wings are gonnat beat the living shit out of your team in the next 4 games. If I head over to the Joe, then I'll make sure I'll rip the toungue off your team's mascot again! LOL


LET'S GO RED WINGS!!!!

:angel: :mad2:

Wake up dude! My team is not the Calgary Flames. I just wish the Red Wings lose this series.

BITEYOASS
04-23-2004, 01:37 PM
WE'LL FUCK YOU ANYWAY!!! :fucku2:

Bob_R
04-23-2004, 01:43 PM
Originally posted by BITEYOASS
WE'LL FUCK YOU ANYWAY!!! :fucku2:

Fair Enough! :upyours:

Va Beach VH Fan
04-23-2004, 08:35 PM
Originally posted by Va Beach VH Fan
Also, you heard it here first (if it doesn't come true, just forget I said it :D ), Calgary will upset the Deadwings....

Hmmmmmmmm........

:D
:D

Hecubus
04-24-2004, 12:41 AM
Originally posted by Full Bug
Thats cool, would love to go to a Leaf game but dont have an extra 500 bucks lying around.....
How much did you pay for tickets?

Yo Bug....

Before I head out to the garage for a bong & a blintz...

The seats were actually right behind the bench so my wife & kids saw me on TV whenever they showed a shot of the bench. Pretty cool!!

I'd go for a couple of rows higher, though. It was a drag having to look around the coaches to see the action.

I paid a $120 for the seat (club access in itself is pimpin') and I'll do it again if I can....

Peace, bra'!

And oh yeah....Sharks in 6.

Calgary in 7.

Full Bug
04-24-2004, 03:45 AM
Originally posted by Hecubus
Yo Bug....

Before I head out to the garage for a bong & a blintz...

The seats were actually right behind the bench so my wife & kids saw me on TV whenever they showed a shot of the bench. Pretty cool!!

I'd go for a couple of rows higher, though. It was a drag having to look around the coaches to see the action.

I paid a $120 for the seat (club access in itself is pimpin') and I'll do it again if I can....

Peace, bra'!

And oh yeah....Sharks in 6.

Calgary in 7.
Cool, care to take me with you next game? I hundred bucks I can afford, not 500, lol.....
Wish that game was on the tube here, maybe I would have seen your ugly ass, or maybe not.....
I agree, Sharks in 6.....

Hecubus
04-26-2004, 11:33 PM
Originally posted by Full Bug
Cool, care to take me with you next game? I hundred bucks I can afford, not 500, lol.....
Wish that game was on the tube here, maybe I would have seen your ugly ass, or maybe not.....
I agree, Sharks in 6.....

HA!!
I didn't realize it until halfway thru the 1st I'm sitting there drinking a beer & a buddy of mine calls & says "Dude, how's that brew taste?" Not unusual, but I say why & he says "& don't pick your nose either & keep your hands off the brunette in the black tank top next to you. You'd better hope your wife ain't watching." She was...with the kids & her folks....

Great game though. Tons of goals & goonery @ the end.

You make it to town, dude, we go to a game. Cool? Make it when Owen & the Leafs are in town so you can really get into it, eh? Serious. If you haven't already, you can sample some good wine country guage....

I'm going to have to say Sharks in 5 now....

BUT I'LL TAKE THE SWEEP & AT LEAST A WEEK'S REST!!!

Hecubus
04-26-2004, 11:43 PM
Uh huh

Uh huh

Uh huh uh huh uh huh.

Hecubus
04-27-2004, 12:59 AM
And bump...because this should never be below the hockey sux thread!!

lucky wilbury
04-27-2004, 03:12 AM
it was till this bump

Bob_R
04-27-2004, 10:37 AM
Originally posted by Hecubus
I'm going to have to say Sharks in 5 now....

3 games to none, it may be a sweep.

Full Bug
04-27-2004, 11:15 PM
Originally posted by PHOENIX
GO HABS GO!

Its not looking good my friend, Tampa now up 3-0, maybe you should start cheering for the Leafs or Calgary.....:D
Although I admit my Leafs arent doing so shit hot either....

Bob_R
04-28-2004, 09:00 AM
Colorado's done.
Montreal's done.
Toronto will be done if they don't win tonight.
And, I think Detroit's going down.

Va Beach VH Fan
04-28-2004, 06:46 PM
Originally posted by Va Beach VH Fan
Also, you heard it here first (if it doesn't come true, just forget I said it :D ), Calgary will upset the Deadwings....

HMMMMMMMMMMM............. :D

Two down, two to go....

Bob_R
04-29-2004, 01:56 PM
BIG wins for the Leafs and Avs. Though I think the Avs are done anyway.

Full Bug
04-29-2004, 02:03 PM
Originally posted by EVH FANATIC
Though I think the Avs are done anyway.
Go to DDLR.com and tell Von that, he loves to hear how the Avs are done....:D

Full Bug
04-29-2004, 11:22 PM
Habs out in 4 straight Phoenix, hows that for a kick in the nutsack eh?

Hecubus
04-30-2004, 12:26 AM
OK...the NHL has to stay off the fucking ice....

a 4 minute minor for high sticking Selanne with 1 minute left in regulation?? Good Gawd y'all!! That wasn't blood it was that bitch's lipstick!!

$100 says he bit his own lip while laying on the ice covering his face to draw the double minor.....

I guess Forsberg can shut the fuck up now about the refs...

Ah well, it's better to see 'em clinch @ home anyway!!

Full Bug
04-30-2004, 08:46 AM
Yeah, I saw that, what bullshit, I hate it when the refs deceide the outcome of the game....

BITEYOASS
04-30-2004, 10:31 AM
Originally posted by EVH FANATIC
And, I think Detroit's going down.

HA! HA! HA! HA! Not a fuckin chance! It's 2-2 now, it'll be 3-2 by the time they get done with the flamers at the Joe tomorrow night! :D

Bob_R
05-01-2004, 11:44 AM
Leafs, Flyers 2-2. Tampa is loving it. They want it to go 7 and each of the next 3 games go into triple OT.

Va Beach VH Fan
05-01-2004, 08:00 PM
Originally posted by Va Beach VH Fan
Also, you heard it here first (if it doesn't come true, just forget I said it :D ), Calgary will upset the Deadwings....

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM............ Three down, one to go !!!!!!

Bob_R
05-02-2004, 01:12 PM
I think you can put a fork in Detroit they're done.